Fucking serious????

[Bostana]

http://money.msn.com/now/hiring-a-smoker-costs-bosses-dollar6000-a-year?ocid=ansmony11

People are so fucking pathetic. So much anti-smoking bullshit

[Taters]

Haven't some employers started urine testing for nicotine now? Pretty ridiculous

[Dropdead]

What the fuck is this shit? Why can't we CHOOSE OURSELVES do we want to smoke or not..

[The Feral Underclass]

Let me get lung cancer in peace!

[MarxArchist]

What the fuck is this shit? Why can't we CHOOSE OURSELVES do we want to smoke or not..
Torches of freedom those cigs are. Symbols of woman's liberation. Male workers can be cool like the Fonz if we light up. My point is many of us were manipulated into smoking via massive psychological campaigns waged on us by the capitalists selling tobacco. Having that said, although I'd like to quit smoking, things like this are a sort of 'social Taylorism' meant to maximize productivity. It wont end with smoking it will begin to invade all aspects of our personal lives- so long as whatever we're doing has the chance to chip away at profits. Bad driving records, unhealthy eating habits, smoking. Whatever keeps workers working faster for longer. You'd think, seeing employers are dropping health plans like wildfire with the new healthcare law, they'd welcome smoking so they don't have to pay retirement benefits to those of us who die early. I don't know anyone with retirement benefits anyhow. Who has a job here with medical/dental/retirement? I've had one with medical but in lieu of a raise they'd give us the option for medical. Most of us who ere younger without families took the raise. I haven't had dental in over 10 years.

In area's where a lot of people are on welfare/public medical policies they're passing laws (high taxes) against high sugar drinks/food stuff. I'm not sure what to think about that (targeting the poor areas with high taxes). With capitalist marketing and pricing the poor are indeed targeted with cheap unhealthy food stuff but at what point are we in control of our own decisions? Also, taxing the products seems to be another way of making the poor pay. Everything is backwards.

[The Intransigent Faction]

What the fuck is this shit? Why can't we CHOOSE OURSELVES do we want to smoke or not..

Probably because it's an addictive substance that causes harm not just to smokers themselves but to those around them.

In all seriousness, the problem with this article isn't that it is "anti-smoking bullshit" (seriously?) but that it frames smoking as a negative thing not for its costs in terms of human lives, but for its costs to capitalists.

I understand the importance of bodily autonomy and the negative aspect of paternalism, but on the other hand I'm all for anything that makes these death dealers' lives more difficult.

It's one thing for people who make the choice, but what about people who started before the risks were known and who suffer effects even after they've quit? Should cigarette companies be allowed to act with impunity because younger people want to make the "personal choice" to commit slow, painful suicide?

All I'm saying is I support bodily autonomy but I don't think it's helpful to just say "Oh, but personal choice" and ignore all the damage that smoking has done.

We shouldn't punish smokers, but should we punish cigarette companies? Absolutely, yes.

Cigarette companies are some of the worst elements of capitalism, literally making billions off of death.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Torches of freedom those cigs are. Symbols of woman's liberation. Male workers can be cool like the Fonz if we light up. My point is many of us were manipulated into smoking via massive psychological campaigns waged on us by the capitalists selling tobacco.

In area's where a lot of people are on welfare/public medical policies they're passing laws (high taxes) against high sugar drinks/food stuff. I'm not sure what to think about that (targeting the poor areas with high taxes). With capitalist marketing and pricing the poor are indeed targeted with cheap unhealthy food stuff but at what point are we in control of our own decisions? Also, taxing the products seems to be another way of making the poor pay. Everything is backwards.

This.

..been without my smokes for nearly two years now but still think about it and wish I could waste my money on it again (quit for money reasons and my wife was keen on me not smoking while the kids are so young). I am the better for it in a number of ways but it still nags at me and I wish I'd never started (even though I looked and felt so much cooler :) )

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

This falls in to the weird grey area like Foucault having shittonnes of unprotected anonymous sex and consequently spreading HIV around.

Physically Addictive Commodities = BIOPOWER!
Public Health Campaigns = BIOPOWER!

[Jimmie Higgins]

In Berkeley they also have it so that you can't smoke within 25 feet of buildings, or in apartment buildings. I think they also wanted to ban it from cars!

So if you're poor... You can smoke... In the middle of the street?

Business areas also have created no smoking zones through business associations.

The outdoor bans are nothing but anti-vagrancy laws and racial profiling pretexts since the cops just tell smoking students to put it out while they use it as a pretext for pushing around the homeless and street-kid populations.

As for the work-related stuff, yeah I'd agree that it's an attack on breaks. Smoking workers are much more likely to insist on and fight for breaks because of a need for a fix, than non-smokers. I think the larger issue though is ideological and if health-cost is "personal responsibility".

Smoking is a good scapegoat for this since it has become socially unpopular. But it's all a bourgeois moral crusade. Yuppies don't understand that if you aren't being fufilled by what you have to do for a living, you have to find some stimulation through other means.... Coffee, weed, smokes, sugar. Ahhhhhhhhhh:cool: much better.

[Igor]

i dont smoke myself but generally how fucking uptight people can be about smokign is so annoying i dont even know

like seriously if t was up to some people you couldnt smoke anywhere - streets, balconies and even specified smoking spaces on trains are under constant attack by the kind of people who are offended by the very idea of people smoking

seriously fuckers its not that big of a deal. best regards, non-smoker

[MarxArchist]

In Berkeley they also have it so that you can't smoke within 25 feet of buildings, or in apartment buildings. I think they also wanted to ban it from cars!

So if you're poor... You can smoke... In the middle of the street?

Business areas also have created no smoking zones through business associations.

The outdoor bans are nothing but anti-vagrancy laws and racial profiling pretexts since the cops just tell smoking students to put it out while they use it as a pretext for pushing around the homeless and street-kid populations.

As for the work-related stuff, yeah I'd agree that it's an attack on breaks. Smoking workers are much more likely to insist on and fight for breaks because of a need for a fix, than non-smokers. I think the larger issue though is ideological and if health-cost is "personal responsibility".

Smoking is a good scapegoat for this since it has become socially unpopular. But it's all a bourgeois moral crusade. Yuppies don't understand that if you aren't being fufilled by what you have to do for a living, you have to find some stimulation through other means.... Coffee, weed, smokes, sugar. Ahhhhhhhhhh:cool: much better.

I can't smoke in my apartment, balcony or parking lot. I still do all three but I think the jokes on me (early death). I don't think my upstairs neighbors are going to develop lung cancer but if that's possible I'll quit smoking in my apartment.

[bcbm]

i was going to quit but now that i know it is screwing my bosses out of six grand a year i guess ill keep going

[Ele'ill]

Smoking breaks are reportedly the biggest cost, accounting for nearly $3,100 per employee annually

actually, my on the clock poop breaks account for far more than this as does the 'i forgot to clock in and out for lunch' strategy that I call The Carmen Sandiego

[bcbm]

i used to just sleep in the bathroom at one of my jobs