Capitalism Kills

[Misodoctakleidist]

Capitalists are prepared to kill to make money, in certain regions of peru it is believed that a human sacrifice to satan will bring good fortune and money, there are frequently cases of business owners kidnaping people, dragging them up the nearest mountain and sacrificing them to satan.

This proves that capitalists are prepared to kill for money so why do you capitalists say things like "capitalism had never killed anyone"? There is an oppertunity to make money, it possible to make more money if your business doen't 'waste' money on having safe working conditions or paying workers enough to live a healthy life. This is mainly aimed at LF capitalists who want to do away with safety regulations and the minimum wage.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 05:56 PM
Capitalists are prepared to kill to make money, in certain regions of peru it is believed that a human sacrifice to satan will bring good fortune and money, there are frequently cases of business owners kidnaping people, dragging them up the nearest mountain and sacrificing them to satan.

This proves that capitalists are prepared to kill for money so why do you capitalists say things like "capitalism had never killed anyone"? There is an oppertunity to make money, it possible to make more money if your business doen't 'waste' money on having safe working conditions or paying workers enough to live a healthy life. This is mainly aimed at LF capitalists who want to do away with safety regulations and the minimum wage.
Damn your right :huh:

It proves that every capitalist will drag someone up a hill and sacrafice him to satan.

Misodoctakleidist, your dumber than two boys fucking.

[Y2A]

There are no "evil" capitalists or "evil" communists, only evil people. Once you learn that then we can have an intellectual converstation on the two ideologies.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by lucid+Jan 9 2004, 06:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lucid @ Jan 9 2004, 06:00 PM)
[email protected] 9 2004, 05:56 PM
Capitalists are prepared to kill to make money, in certain regions of peru it is believed that a human sacrifice to satan will bring good fortune and money, there are frequently cases of business owners kidnaping people, dragging them up the nearest mountain and sacrificing them to satan.

This proves that capitalists are prepared to kill for money so why do you capitalists say things like "capitalism had never killed anyone"? There is an oppertunity to make money, it possible to make more money if your business doen&#39;t &#39;waste&#39; money on having safe working conditions or paying workers enough to live a healthy life. This is mainly aimed at LF capitalists who want to do away with safety regulations and the minimum wage.
Damn your right :huh:

It proves that every capitalist will drag someone up a hill and sacrafice him to satan.

Misodoctakleidist, your dumber than two boys fucking. [/b]
My point is that business owners are prepared to kill for money and, given the opertunity, often do.

[Y2A]

It&#39;s sad :( such stupidity. This is why we will never have a truly peaceful world and moderates like myself will always be squashed by the idiocy of the far-left and far-right.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 06:00 PM
There are no "evil" capitalists or "evil" communists, only evil people. Once you learn that then we can have an intellectual converstation on the two ideologies.
Are you saying that all people are evil or that there will be evil people regardless of the political sytem?

p.s. you learned the plural of communist, congratulations&#33;

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 06:12 PM
Are you saying that all people are evil or that there will be evil people regardless of the political sytem?
No. I am saying that it is not "capitalist" ideology that made them kill those people it is that they themselves were bad people. The maoist guerrillas of Peru killed intellectuals with rocks to save up on bullets, does this mean that the communist ideology made them do this? Of course not. But it is always easier to blame a system instead of saying that the person himself was a bad human being. Was Schindler a bad person? Hell he had to be according to you because he owned a business.

[Pete]

Every ideology kills, to deny this is to blind yourself fromt he reality of human existance. Death comes to all, and some people will take certain points to the extreme that they will die themselves or will kill others, directly or indirectly, to try to fulfill the goals of their ideology. A simple truism.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Y2A+Jan 9 2004, 06:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Y2A @ Jan 9 2004, 06:17 PM)
[email protected] 9 2004, 06:12 PM
Are you saying that all people are evil or that there will be evil people regardless of the political sytem?
No. I am saying that it is not "capitalist" ideology that made them kill those people it is that they themselves were bad people. The maoist guerrillas of Peru killed intellectuals with rocks to save up on bullets, does this mean that the communist ideology made them do this? Of course not. But it is always easier to blame a system instead of saying that the person himself was a bad human being. Was Schindler a bad person? Hell he had to be according to you because he owned a business. [/b]
I didn&#39;t suggest that capitalism was what caused those people to kill merely that it encourged it, i accept that they killed because of their own greed but it was capitalism which made this a factor, since there are alot of LF capitalists around at the moment i was trying to say that their system would make it advantageous (and possible) to allow workers to live in such terrible conditions that it dramatically shortens their life span and, of course, that business owners wouldn&#39;t hesitate to do so.

[iloveatomickitten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 06:00 PM
There are no "evil" capitalists or "evil" communists, only evil people. Once you learn that then we can have an intellectual converstation on the two ideologies.


Evil dosn&#39;t exist as an absolute value, evil is what simply what someone perceives the most threatening to themselves so there certainly are evil capitalists and evil communists because they exist only in peoples perception of evil. The key to an "intellectual coversation on the two ideologies," isn&#39;t disregard their apparent malevolance it is to accept that you may be incorrect.

Though the original post is somewhat petty and simply picks up on a flaw in the language not in the though behind such statements, I do agree with it in the spirt of dennying that "capitalism had never killed anyone." Short of some kind argument that tries to establish that the death wasn&#39; t the responsibility of the capitalist I fail to see how this can be said. Working conditions are well documented and its is almost certainly beyond anyone to in the face of such evidence to say that workers durring the industrial revolution never died due unsafe working conditions, unsanitary living conditions or malnourishment all of which where the product of the system which today still remains unchanged save for the continual but slow swing of politics towards the left.

[Valishin]

Ignoring the obvious sillyness about sacrificing people which has nothing to do with capitalism, I have to ask which is worse a system that allows people to choose which employeers they want to work for and yes that means some will accept sub-par working conditions. Or the system where people are killed of systematically striping the rights of individuals to force them into accepting the system that keeps everyone down equally.

Oh and it is note worthy that when you have competition sub-par working conditions are rarely an issue simply because the guy across the street can take your best works for very little additional cost. That is only a problem when you have monoplies or a small group of non-competitive companies in the industry. Neither of these is condusive or acceptable in capitialism.

[QUOTE}My point is that business owners are prepared to kill for money and, given the opertunity, often do.[/QUOTE]
And this is because of capitalism why? This is because of greed not capitalism. Yes capitalism accepts greed as a natural human failing and takes it into account but the two are not one in the same. Greed exists with or without capitalism.

[Sam Adams]

How many people did socialist hero stalin execute in his pograms?

20 million?

how many tibetans did the socialist chinese wipe out?

5 million?

how many north koreans, vietnamese, cambodians, starved to death because their broken socialist systems couldnt afford food?

untold millions?

Communism kills.

[Intifada]

socialist hero stalin

i think you will find that not all socialists agree that stalin is a hero.

how many countries have the capatilist, imperialist U &#036; OF A attacked? 72 since ww2.

dont start saying how "murderous" communism is until you accept responsibility for the crimes of cappies&#33;

CAPATILISM KILLS&#33;

[Sam Adams]

The fact that we are democratic and free doesnt meen we will refrain from smacking down idiots when they get out of line.

Communism crushes its own innocent people, killing them without mercy.

Capitalism gives its people freedom, we only kill vicious enemies.

[Intifada]

Capitalism gives its people freedom, we only kill vicious enemies.

free sherman austin then&#33;


The fact that we are democratic and free

that is not a fact. bush wasnt voted in "democratically".

[Sam Adams]

"bush wasnt voted in "democratically".

ya he was. Under the letter of law, Bush won.

deal with it.

[Intifada]

ya he was. Under the letter of law, Bush won.

wrong, AGAIN

[Bianconero]

There are no "evil" capitalists or "evil" communists, only evil people. Once you learn that then we can have an intellectual converstation on the two ideologies.

I&#39;ve seen enough of your &#39;intellectual converstations&#39;, to be honest. Great words, absolutely impressing, but no meaning whatsoever.

You have never studied politics on a scientifical basis, whereas every Marxist has. What you have to say is you oppinion based on nothing, what we have to say is based on science.