The Space Program

[Red Star]

I dont know about you, but it seems the space program has taken a backseat the last few years. Was it only a cold war thing? I for one would like to see more exploration and why can;t we go back to the moon. What do you all think about expanding the space program?

[Capitalist]

I agree 100 fucking %!!!

I'd like to see some more Space Exploration as well!

[Moskitto]

The last thing I heard that they've worked out that going to mars would take so long that you'd break your legs when you land.

[Dreadnaht1]

No, the entire space program was based entirely on the Cold War--in my opinion. I believe that the only reason we had a space program that 'went to the moon' was to show the Russians they were inferior and show the public, supposedy, who was better. But of course the Russians started getting ahead and in reality the got farther then the U.S. In my opinion the enire lunar landing was just a hoax to show up the Russians and we never went to the moon. And while this is only a theory, theories do make some sense. Is a hoax on that scale so hard to believe? I mean when you look at the footage, the events in the world that were going on and it maks perfect sense. Don't believe the theory? Look at the footage. I mean it was in fucking color! Alot of people didn't have color T.V.'s at the time but suddenly the Astronauts were going wireless and were in color?

Well, believe me or not we'll know when the Chinese launch an orbital surveilance sattelite that will search for the lunar landing in 2004.

Comrade Dread

[Markxs]

i have no reason not to believe you. i have a lott of reason to doubt china. i have the most reason to doubt usa

[Capitalist]

I agree with Dreadnaught 1.

The cold war was the prime motivator for space exploration.

However I disagree that the lunar landing was a hoax. I believe that the United States definitely landed men on the moon. If it was a hoax - we would know by now. Secrets are never kept secret forever.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

I also believe Oswald shot JFK - all by himself.

[El Commandante]

The space program will soon be changed to space tours, package holidays to the moon. If you have enough money then you can stay in space for a holiday. We've already seen it on a small scale with the Russians, but it is bound to happen more often.

[Kez]

USSR trashed the USA as far as space race went.
USSR 6 USA 1
USSR = first satelite, first dog,first monkey, first man, first woman, first space station,
USA = man on moon

comrade kamo

[CommieBastard]

i heard that on the footage, the flag moves as if in a wind.
there is no wind on the moon.

as for oswald shooting JFK, thats actually impossible, the bullet hit him on the wrong side of his body, it's all fucked up. It simply couldnt have been him. Similarly, the angle for the grassy knoll is wrong. So who the fuck did it and where from? i dont know, but i heard a rumour that the bullet hit him in the side, and he was turned at the time... that it came from behind, and in fact from the position of one of the security guards.
can we ever be sure? nope, we cant know anything, and that murder is so surrounded by lies, deceit and shit, that unfortunately we will never know anything.

As for things being secret forever, yes they damn well can be.
There is a law in the US that means that some classified info has to be released after a certain time. However, before it goes out it can be shredded/edited and fucked about with however they like, funnily enough, there is very little untampered declassified info.

[El Commandante]

CB we may find out what really happened to Kennedy by 2030, when the files are declassified, but your right. What we see will be edited and cut. It will probably just say that Oswald did it so that there is no out cry.

[Kez]

So if we can see wind in the moon film, it means its definately bullshit?
so it must be a fake?
so USSR win 6-0?

USSR! USSR! USSR! USSR!
comrade kamo

[Fidel Castro Ruz]

"Mup" has drowned...now yankees want to make MSS(MKC) only fuckin' american station,sayin' that its international...
without Russia(soviet scientists) there was nothing good in space explorance...we've started 1st Sputnik,Gagarin got to space 1st...we are first everywhere...fuckin' democracy...we could be on Mars now if there wasn't fuckin' capitalism in Russia...fuck Gorbachew,fuck Yeltsen,fuck Putin...and special FUCK to comrade Shevarnadze...
Gorbachew hated rockets so we've lost all our SATANS!!!dammit...

[jimr]

To be fair, both America and Russia stole German scientists after ww2 and forced them to help their respected projects.

Screw space this world is screwed up enough already without all this money being spent on this shit

[Derar]

There r some secrets that USA will never ever reveal .
and noobody will know the truth maybe till the next 100 years .
for example : Who really killed JFK . And about area 51 , noone ever dared to even ask the USA about it !
Onother thing in my opinion thats going to be a secret for a long long time , The sep. 11 attacks who did them , who helped them and why ?

[CommieBastard]

oh we already have the solution to that global game of cluedo...

"it was george bush, with the american military, in the intent of making himself popular"

[Red Star]

The US actually has done a lot more than the USSR for space exploration, they have been the first but not the best. The US has sent out much more space probes and as for the moon landing being a hoax how do you explain the rock samples they brought back.

[CommieBastard]

well, i have no opinion either way, because it's simply one of those things you cant prove.

Rock samples? you seen these rock samples? any guarantee that they;ve been proven to be from the moon and not from any goddam mountain?
or tey might be meteor fragments or anything. Or they may simply not exist.
You personally seen and touched them?
methinks not.
but even if you had, you shouldnt trust that either..
nothing is real, nothing is proven, you invent your own reality.

[Dreadnaht1]

Red Star:"The US has sent out much more space probes and as for the moon landing being a hoax how do you explain the rock samples they brought back. "

Yeah, your right. I mean the U.S. had Sputnik and MIR and...

And slow it down! I mean where going to be having nice little Capitalist trips and vacations to the moon millions of miles into space and I can't even go to Cuba 90 miles off of Florida? Fuck this country.

Comrade Dread

[Elfinity]

I know many people will disagree with me but I think taking care of our planet, our people/species, and societies', should take precendence over the space program. I tend to see the space program as somewhat a luxury and funding should be focused into creating a sustainable and fair 'Earth' above all else.
That's not to say I am anti-space exploration, I just think we need to learn to prioritize better.

[Dreadnaht1]

Elfinity, I have to agree with you 100%. I always thought the US and other foreign nations were too interested in space exploration when the earth is what really needs attention.

Comrade Dread

[pce]

firstly regarding the flag in the so-called wind: the flag has a pole running through the top so that it stays up (because there's no wind on the moon). it shakes in the footage because the astronauts are handling it.

second: i also agree with elfinity (but in a different way...). the purpose of the space program today is to find a way to colonize on other planets. i don't think we have the right to go trashing other planets just because we've practically shot this one to hell. we should solve our problems here, then worry about space.

also, the reason for the drop off in the space program is that 1)there's nothing left to do on the moon and 2)we aren't sure or advanced enough to do much on mars at this point

[Fidel Castro Ruz]

USSR wasn't the best???haha
USSR had an idea how to make 1kg of cargo cost no 10000$ but 500-1000$ (if u've seen REN TV program
"Voennaja Taina")
Soviets had smth much better than Shuttle(i don't mean Buran) we had an orbital spaceship that started without rocket!!!!
it has been launched off "Mria" aircraft (that fuckin' ukranians have stolen as they did with our Sevastopol navy)and after lauch spaceship had landed to ocean...

[libereco]

^-- nationalists are annoying

[CommieBastard]

pce: can you prove the astronauts were handling it? sounds like exactly the kind of excuse that they would make up after having realised their ommission. Which is not to say it ISNT the astronauts doing that...

but anyway, i agree that the space program is a big glaring waste of space (no pun intended)

[El Commandante]

Quote: from Elfinity on 2:29 am on Dec. 12, 2001
I know many people will disagree with me but I think taking care of our planet, our people/species, and societies', should take precendence over the space program. I tend to see the space program as somewhat a luxury and funding should be focused into creating a sustainable and fair 'Earth' above all else.
That's not to say I am anti-space exploration, I just think we need to learn to prioritize better.



Elfinity, I completely agree with you, we need to sort out the priorities, the space program was nothing more than a race which the tax payers funded. For the Americans and Russians it was all about prestige, who could get into space first. It was basically a giant game of spitting water melon seeds and seeing who could get the furtherest. But they were competing on a grand scale spend billions do out do the other.

We have so many problems on earth that they need to be sorted out before we go looking for more. Also we know more about the moon then we do about the earth's oceans, seems out of balance to me. 70% of the earth's surface is ocean, maybe we should concentrate on what we have, rather then what we want and can find.

[Fidel Castro Ruz]

huh...i wrote a letter to Putin today :)

[CommieBastard]

what about?

[Kez]

USSR ruled the universe literally, talk of equality, the commies were the first to have women in space, when was the first american woman in space?

comrade kamo

[Fidel Castro Ruz]

Putin would be happy :)
really thats about spaceprogram,corruption,capitalism...
do u know smth about soviet program "SPIRAL" or "MAKS"

[Dreadnaht1]

Personally, I think Putin is a fucking idiot. No offense to Russians, they're great, it's him that really pisses me off. I mean he's like Bush's ***** or something. Anyway, I say we wake up the USSR and feed him to it!

Comrade Dread

[Red Star]

As for whoever said " Have you actually seen and touched these samples from the moon" The answer is I have. At the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. They have one moon rock right where you walk in and people are allowed to touch them. The samples have been anaylzed by many chemists not just from the government and its agreed they contain substances not found on earth.

[Dreadnaht1]

Could still be fakes. Just really good fakes. Like Area 51. The aliens are comming....oooooooooeeeeeeeoooooooo....

Comrade Dread

[MJM]

It happened alright, imagine the embarassment if the world found out the US had to cheat to beat the USSR.The risk was too great they had to do it for real.

[Elfinity]

<<It happened alright, imagine the embarassment if the world found out the US had to cheat to beat the USSR.The risk was too great they had to do it for real.>>

Personally I think that the moon landing was for real.
But (and Im making a horribly generalized statement here) I sometimes think the U.S. doesnt even understand the concept of embarrassment. Look at George W. Bush in his recent speeches, pontificating about protecting 'freedom' and 'civilization' and 'good vs evil'....and he says it with a straight face. It seems that the American government just conviently forgets/ignores/supresses that which may embarrass or oppose them.
I mean, come on, this is the country that claims to be free while allowing censorship and oppression, a system that will support oppressive dictatorships to support their needs, etc, and then George W. get's up on his little soapbox and pontificates about freedom and goodness.

Sorry, just my little rant for the evening, slightly off topic I know, but i just couldnt help myself:-)

[Fidel Castro Ruz]

Putin sucks, he is russian yankee...
how he could come from KGB???

[CommieBastard]

It seems that Bush is suffering from a common dementia, the beleif that freedom means only simply "the freedom to be 'good', i.e. you have the freedom to fit into social brackets, worship the 'valid' religion and to follow the system in every way...
err, wait, oh fuck, what's the definition of freedom again? i seem to have forgotten after going on about what a free person HAS to do..."

[Elfinity]

I was looking through another forum and I found a supposed Bush quote that I think says it all about his real view of freedom.....


"There ought to be limits to freedom."

The man is the epitome of idiocy as far as Im concerned.

[Dreadnaht1]

I like this one, personally:

"We MUST fight terrorism with terrorism."

-UK Pime Minister

[Elfinity]

<< I like this one, personally:

"We MUST fight terrorism with terrorism."

-UK Pime Minister>>

LOL
I hadnt heard of that one. Looks like Tony Blair and George W. are really kindred spirits, they probably even have the same IQ.

[CommieBastard]

There really should be limits to freedom. The limits that there should be to freedom is where freedom causes a negative effect for other people.

[Elfinity]

<<There really should be limits to freedom. The limits that there should be to freedom is where freedom causes a negative effect for other people.>>

I think this is actually a tough argument because on one hand I agree and another I think it leaves too much room for people to arbitrarily decide 'what's good for the people'.
Whenever I talk to certain libertarians they seem to believe freedom comes from money, and the freedom to exploit people and resources for individual gain. If we're talking about restricting a persons freedom to exploit others, then I agree. But when we talk about negative effects that could encompass a whole range of things...For example, Do we restrict freedom of expression because it is dangerous to the system and may result in the erradication of a good system and therefore have long term negative effects on the people (I hope that made sense)? At what limit do the 'limits' on freedom become oppressive?

[CommieBastard]

i would judge it by simply direct effects.
If you start making it indirect, anything can be said to have a negative effect.

[Griffin]

as to the comments about George "double yah" 's comments. I think he is far too dumb to use big words like "terrorism" and "evil". Sorry i dont particulary like bush, his father got his sons foot in the door for him into politics, he didnt really earn the shot at becoming president. But i think he says what hes been told to say, so his stupid comments arn't even his!