[URGENT]Need help on tear gas&Riot Control Vehicles

[occupyistanbul]

There is ongoing protests against authoritarian regime in Turkey, and tomorrow probably will be the turning point, so we are stocking up. We are trying to make antiacidic solution against pepper spray. They say you should mix them with water 50/50,the problem is we do not have liquid antacids, we only have tablets (rennie) and we are not sure about what is the optimal proportion would be. One tablet contains 680mgs of calsium carbonat and 80mgs of magnesium carbonat, how much water should we add to it?

And we haven't got any ideas about how to disable or protect from armored vehicles with water cannons, any help would be much appreciated. Aside from that, i'm open to any resources that give tactics or help making useful objects in protests, please answer as soon as possible, this is very important.

They will probably use jammers tomorrow, it is unlikely to find any solution to jammers, but if you have a trick,that would be very helpful too.

[blake 3:17]

I'm not sure that calcium is particularly effective -- people here have usually used a vinegar mix against tear gas.

My suggestion would be lots and lots of water and clean cloths.

[Skyhilist]

Some helpful links for you:

This is a guide for helping to survive tear gas: http://inbaraj.com/teargas/

This is the the revleft thread that I found it in, which also seems to contain some really good information: http://www.revleft.com/vb/pdfs-treating-tear-t163376/index.html

This article has some more helpful info on dealing with tear gas exposure: http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemicalweapons/a/teargasexposure.htm

As far as the proportions, I'm not exactly certain as I'm not an expert in the area. Try asking on a few other sites as well where people might be willing to help: libcom.org, or on the wall of occupy wall st. or other left wing pages on facebook; hell maybe even try some chemistry forums... this is the best advice I can really offer in terms of that since I don't really know what the right proportion would be. I really hope someone will answer you on that so you can get things figured out.

Anyways, hope things go well, and good luck!

Solidarity from the USA.

[Skyhilist]

I'm not sure that calcium is particularly effective -- people here have usually used a vinegar mix against tear gas.

My suggestion would be lots and lots of water and clean cloths.

I think where s/he's derived the idea from is from this (or an article describing something similar): http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/29/maalox-and-water-solution-used-as-anti-tear-gas-remedy-by-protesters/

It says specifically that "Protesters in Greece found (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/news/regions/europe/protestor-chic-how-greeks-prepare-tear-gas) that mixing a 50 percent solution of liquid antacid and water in spray bottles produces a soothing mist that cools the burning associated with tear gas and pepper spray."

So his/her original post makes sense based on that.

[#FF0000]

My suggestion would be lots and lots of water

That wouldn't really do much other than provide instant relief. Pepper spray isn't water-soluble.

Saline solution mean for cleaning the eye will almost certainly help. Whole milk should help (Make sure it is whole milk -- the milk-fat is what helps here). I've also heard from cops in the USA that mixing a small amount of no-tears baby shampoo (NOT REGULAR SHAMPOO) helps.

Beyond that, fight the urge to keep the eyes shut. Blinking rapidly to produce tears will help wash the pepper spray out, given time.

[blake 3:17]

Double posting in 2 threads -- call for action

ALL FRIENDS ABROAD ACTION NOW:
CALL THE TURKISH EMBASSY IN YOUR COUNTRY NOW AND ASK WHY POLICE IS GASSING DEMONSTRATORS IN TAKSIM AND WHETHER ISTANBUL IS SAFE ANYMORE. PROTEST USE OF FORCE AGAINST PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS.

DO IT NOW PLEASE! for contact numbers:
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkish-representations.en.mfa

Link will send you to a consulate or other diplomatic agency. Please call

[Rusty Shackleford]

Fyi, for people to know what the turkish police are like

WARNING GRAPHIC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=304_1370018840&safe_mode=off

http://www.odatv.com/vid_video.php?id=8BF47



i have no advice on how to counter the police unfortunately, but i wish to extend solidarity to you all.




EDIT: It looks like the second video was taken down. It was a video of some police and some plain clothes or reactionaries beating a man.

[Sasha]

teargas, as explained above; if you cant find Maalox go with the vinegar or citrus drenched fabrics... if you cant find gas masks swimming goggles and a cloth drenched in vinegar across mouth and nose is a tried and tested way of protecting yourself. if the tear gas grenades in turkey dont explode you can toss them back if you bring heavy duty working gloves, be careful, the grenades are extremely hot. i heard that if you spray them with CO2 fire extinguishers they stop spewing gas

watercanons, short of molotovcoctails (which any armored vehicle driver is very scared off) there isnt really anything you can do to stop them, big amounts of paint bombs sometimes do the trick if they dont have a build in system to properly clean their own windows. you can make paint bombs from glass (lighbulbs or bottles), a safer but more difficult method is dipping small balloons filled with cold water over and over in a big pan of molten candlewax, when you get a thick wax shell deflate the balloon and pull it out, fill the shell with paint and close it of with a piece of toilet paper and more wax. if you can find never used (!) powder based fire-extinguisher you can screw them open, remove the powder (wear a mask, its very toxic) and fill them with diluted paint. normal CO2 fire extinguishers are handy to have on hand not only to cool teargas grenades but you can also use them to keep cops at bay.
further you can of course put up barricades, over here it is popular to use yourself as an barricade (in lock-on's or climbing in high tripods across the roads) but since this is turkey we are talking about where the cops dont really care about dead protesters i wouldnt do that.
if you have time (which you probably dont) you can make effective anti-pantzer baricades by making big 6 legged crosses of scaffolding pipe and lock them together with heavy chains/steel cable, this way you get a flexible baricade instead of a rigid one, if the watercanons (or shovels) push them forward they dont break, when they retreat you can with a big group push them back to their original place again.

good luck and give them hell!

[Christopherxx]

I am aware of the situation with Prime Minister Erdogan and Abdullah Gul.

My fear is that I haven't heard of the CHP or other groups that embody 6 point turkey politics as making definitive statements of stepping up if these protests help move the political situation along.

Also the recent numbers seem to suggest that Turkey to the dismay of many is moving in a backwards direction (Large polls numbers for the AKP)

You don't want to move the military away from you as it has a strong secular basis in history does it not?

Remember the arab spring. Direct action is more than invaluable as long as you know you have all the other pieces lined up.

And worst case you don't want the reactionary conservative parties that destroy nations and social identities for decades to move into power because they have those pieces lined up.

Though I think these protests so far are good in that they are making it clear that there is a large percentage that will not go along with Turkey becoming a fringe and extreme islamic state.

Again I look forward to a message to discuss further.

[Sasha]

found this, seems the information is already getting out there:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/094abb2a298beec91a3e47c8010631ad/tumblr_mnnxdojvHx1ste7qoo1_500.jpg

moving this thread to the more active ongoing struggles forum to help it reach more people/

[occupyistanbul]

Thank you very much for information and support. We invaded the city square and all of the main streets 5-7 hours ago, police retreated but it seems they regrouped and attacking back, it seems like those bastards will never end. We will hit them again tomorrow

Sadly, in recent years most of the secularist generals removed from the power, and many of them in the prison, so the army is not much different from the police.

@blake 3:17 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=12361)

Please do what he says, the police really have troubles on their pepper gas supply, so they are switching to the another gas, the locals call it orange gas ( not the agent orange from vietname, however they say its effects are much more painful than pepper gas, and it is illegal to use in EU laws, i guess it is a intensified version of pepper spray (https://twitter.com/bestblueever/status/340858434670972928/photo/1). The police used real bullets in Ankara, they constantly aim for headshots when using pepper guns and a woman died from that, many more injured. WE REALLY NEED FOREIGN SUPPORT TO STOP THIS BLOODSHED. TURKS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES DO DEMONSTRATIONS, PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN THEM AND PRESS YOUR GOVERNMENT TO CALL FOR ACTION IN TURKEY.WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SPREAD THIS ONLINE, SO IF YOU USE YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA COMMUNITIES, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP.

[Skyhilist]

Please do what he says, the police really have troubles on their pepper gas supply, so they are switching to the another gas, the locals call it orange gas ( not the agent orange from vietname, however they say its effects are much more painful than pepper gas, and it is illegal to use in EU laws, i guess it is a intensified version of pepper spray (https://twitter.com/bestblueever/status/340858434670972928/photo/1) Please be careful, from the looks of a report I'm reading on this now, this IS Agent Orange, which causes cancer and is very toxic.

Source: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-980610

EDIT: Apparently this article was removed because it was "inaccurate". My apologies.


The police used real bullets in Ankara, they constantly aim for headshots when using pepper guns and a woman died from that, many more injured. WE REALLY NEED FOREIGN SUPPORT TO STOP THIS BLOODSHED. TURKS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES DO DEMONSTRATIONS, PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN THEM AND PRESS YOUR GOVERNMENT TO CALL FOR ACTION IN TURKEY.WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SPREAD THIS ONLINE, SO IF YOU USE YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA COMMUNITIES, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP.

That sounds like a truly awful situation, really hoping that things improve from over there. Is there any way that people from other countries might be able to send over supplies? And would it be worth it if it took them a few weeks to get there? I will definitely share this on social media. Good luck and solidarity.

[Martin Blank]

http://www.redstarsociety.com/index.php/creating-a-protesters-first-aid-kit

Solidarity from the Workers Party in America.

[Paul Pott]

Using agent orange for whatever reasons would be a huge human rights violation that the west couldn't ignore without losing face.

[Comrade Samuel]

Using agent orange for whatever reasons would be a huge human rights violation that the west couldn't ignore without losing face.

Yeah, good one. "human rights violations" only count when the people committing them aren't U.S allies.

Solidarity from America, friend. Stay safe and show that bastard Erdogan what for.

[Paul Pott]

What I mean is, the government would get the evil eye from the State department, and they would say a few mean words, but that's it.

[Sasha]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORANGE-RED LIQUID
IMPORTANT:
The orange/red liquid was confirmed by several sources to be CS mixed with orange or red paint(different in different areas of the city) to tag protesters for later identification.
It should be clarified that it WAS NOT agent orange, a rumour that spread a lot. agent orange is colourless, named after orange stripes on the barrels it was shipped in.






source: http://occupygezipics.tumblr.com/post/51960983385/important-information-about-the-orange-red-liquid

[Paul Pott]

It can't be used as a crowd control weapon.

[BIXX]

Wait I missed something, what's the whole situation? How did this start?

Solidarity, from your comrades in Portland.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I imagine everyone on this forum is in solidarity with the protesters. A lot of people I know personally certainly are, especially those who are politically conscious on the far left.


What I mean is, the government would get the evil eye from the State department, and they would say a few mean words, but that's it.

It is true that the US state dept doesn't like allied regimes embarrassing it through obvious human rights abuses. They have mastered the ability, however, to distance themselves by "criticizing" these governments while still supporting them substantively.

[human strike]

This may help you get round jamming: http://pastebin.com/f21RkRdN

Rage, solidarity, and good luck.

[Rusty Shackleford]

this is going to sound ridiculous, im sure... but...



How about rigging up some tank traps or ditches in stationary areas? nothing fancy since the only vehicles to worry about seem to be the TOMAs which are wheeled and have low ground clearance. there has to be at least one person who has a little portable welder in any city.



the only thing would probably be to anchor it to the ground well so it doesnt just slide along the pavement if something tries to ram it. like, dig holes for the feet to sit in well...


the only thing youd need is some sturdy poles made of iron, steel, or any iron-based metal, some shovels, and a welder.
http://www.mrmof.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sperre01.jpg

http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2005/10/08/darpa-qualifying-tank-trap.jpg

[Sasha]

General resources for medics and for anyone putting together a binder for a Basic Street Medic Training

This is certainly not an all-inclusive list of resources, but here are some that I like to hand out at street medic trainings.
Contact me ([email protected]) if you have questions about any of these articles, or if you have articles that you'd like to add!
La lucha sigue,
Eowyn




New: Basic Street Medic Training Information Page (http://www.bostoncoop.net/%7Ebalm/medictraining.html) to publicize a Basic Street Medic training - Customize this page with the dates, location, sponsoring organization, and contact information for your training, then e-mail the text or post the page on the Web.
Table of Contents for the deluxe training binder (http://www.bostoncoop.net/%7Ebalm/resources.html#deluxe)
Table of Contents for the minimal version (coming soon)

If you have limited copying resources, you can also just hand out the training outline. Contact me ([email protected]) (Eowyn) for the outline text.
Note: All of the articles and resources listed below are in Portable Document Format (PDF). You must have the Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your computer in order to read and print these documents. You can get the free Acrobat Reader at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.


Articles and Handouts for Basic Street Medic Training Binders

This is the more complete version of the binder contents (though there are always more things to add...) It is a long list of articles, and many folks won't have the time, money, or desire to distribute all this info during a street medic training. Check with the trainers about what articles they think are especially important. Also, in place of printing out these articles, you can refer folks to this page and they can print out what they want (assuming they have access and comfort with the internet, as well as the capacity to print lots of pages).



Training outline (available from Eowyn)
Skills list (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/skills_list.pdf)
List of acronyms and medical terms (a work in progress - available from Eowyn)
Upcoming events (this is usually specific to your area, and includes any upcoming political events, demos or other actions)




Medical Information

On the Proper Use of Gloves (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/gloves.pdf)
Before, During and After... Taking Care (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/before_dur_after.pdf) (herbal options for activist health)


History and Philosophy

Athens Manifesto (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/athens_manifesto.pdf)
Principles of Action Medical Patient Care (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/principles_of_action_med.pdf)


Medic Logistics

Supply List: two different ideas, for the big bag (http://action-medical.net/static/library/complete_supplies_list.pdf) and for the smaller bag (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/small_kit.pdf).
Action Medical Field Radio Protocol, the Web version (http://action-medical.net/static/library/radio_protocols.htm) and the PDF easy-to-print version (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/radio_protocol.pdf)
Stuff to talk about with your buddy before an action in a single page version (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/buddy_talk1page.pdf) and 4 per page (double sided) version (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/buddy_talk2page.pdf) to be cut up and handed out at trainings
Affinity Groups: How They Work (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/affinity_groups.pdf)
Affinity Groups: What They Can Do (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/affinity_grp.pdf)
Consensus Process (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/consensus_process.pdf)


Handouts for Activists

(Many of these are in double-sided format, with more than one full handoutout per page, so they can be copied, cut up, and handed out)

Health and Safety at Militant Actions (http://action-medical.net/static/library/h&s_pamphlet.pdf)
An Activists Guide to Basic First Aid (http://blackcrosscollective.org/pub/aag/printzine.pdf)
Spanish phrase book for first-aid trained activists (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/phrasebook1.pdf)
Shit! We're gonna get arrested! (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/arrested.pdf)
Stay Healthy so you can Stay in the Streets (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/stay_healthy.pdf)
It's hot! It's humid! It's sunny! How to stay healthy in the heat (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/heat.pdf)
Street Medic's Guide to Cold Weather Demos (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/hypothermia.pdf)


Trauma and Stress

How to Prevent Emotional Trauma at Demos and Direct Action (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/prevent_emot_trauma.pdf)
Peer Counselling/Active Listening Information and Exercises (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/active_listening.pdf)
Responding to Critical Incident Stress in Protests and Mass Mobilizations (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/cis_respond.pdf)
Trauma Overview - Symptoms and Healing (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/trauma_overview.pdf)
Supporting a Survivor of Sexual Assault (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/survivor_support.pdf)
Grounding and Centering for Activists (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/grounding.pdf)
Grounding Exercise for Acute Stress (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/grounding_ex.pdf)
Letter from an Activist: The Perils of Burnout (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/burnout.pdf)

and some more resources...
Communicating with Survivors of Sexual Assault and Other Crimes (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/comm_with_survivor.pdf)


State Repression

Security Culture Basics (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/security_culture.pdf)
Your Rights to Demonstrate and Protest (http://www.nlg-la.org/free_speech_rights.pdf)
Dealing with Police - Guidelines for Activists (http://www.nlg-la.org/Dealing_with_Police.pdf)
Legal System Flowchart (http://www.nlg-la.org/cd_questions.pdf) (the Flowchart is on page 13 of this document)
Police lessons (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/police_lessons.pdf)
Legal Guide for Activists with Physical Disabilities and Health Issues (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/legal_gd_disability.pdf)
Legal Guide For Transgendered, Transsexual, Intersexed and Genderqueer Activists (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/legal_gd_trans.pdf)
Chemical Cops article (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/chemical_cops.pdf)
Serving time in jail (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/time_in_jail.pdf)
Shooting the Wounded: Injury Documentation Sheet (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/injury_shooting.pdf)
Police Misconduct Report (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/police_rpt.pdf)

and even more articles, if you are inclined...
Jail Solidarity (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/jail_solidarity.pdf)
Support and Solidarity for Arrestees (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/support_solidarity.pdf)


Anti-Oppression

Working Together for A Change (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/working_together_change.pdf)
Principles and Practices of Anti-Oppression (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/principles_antioppress.pdf)
Globalism and race at A16 in DC (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/globalism_race_dc.pdf)
Tools for White Guys who are Working for Social Change (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/tools_for_white_guys.pdf)
Anti-globalisation Activism Cannot Ignore Colonial Realities (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/antiglob_cannot.pdf)

and even more articles, if you are inclined...
Oppression (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/oppression.pdf) (a fairly good overview of issues of oppression, though doesn't include genderqueer issues)


Resources

Internet Resources for Street Medics (http://www.bostoncoop.net/balm/training/internet.pdf)





lifted from here: http://www.bostoncoop.net/~balm/resources.html

[Sasha]

some more: http://www.blackcrosscollective.org/
http://actionmedics.org.uk/basicfirstaid.html
one in german: https://streetmedic.org/node/9