what would happen to big corporations in a communist society

[billydan]

so what would happen to McDonald,Starbucks,apple etc in a communist society?

[Asmo]

They would cease to exist. During a Revolution their capital would be seized by the proletariat, and depending on the business and will of the people, the company may be restructured to continue its provision of goods and services as a worker-owned and operated federation.

[human strike]

I don't think it's possible to communise big corporations. Communism means their destruction.

[Red Nightmare]

They would no longer exist as corporations are privately owned hierarchal entities and both private ownership and hierarchy would no longer exist in a communist society.

[blake 3:17]

They'd be expropriated & folks would figure out what to do with them.

They have massive distribution and production chains we want under worker/community control. Don't go stupid Pol Pot or Taliban and wreck em. Don't also think they're just great.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Pretty much what others have said. The corporate hierarchies would be dismantled, the productive aspects would be handed over to the workers, etc.

And Big Macs would be given out every day for free. ;)1

[blake 3:17]

And Big Macs would be given out every day for free. ;)1

No No NO Give me Capitalismmmmmmmmmm!!!!! ahhhhhhh

They're so gross. I do eat one about every two years and remember why I don't regularly. Chacun son gout.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

No No NO Give me Capitalismmmmmmmmmm!!!!! ahhhhhhh

They're so gross. I do eat one about every two years and remember why I don't regularly. Chacun son gout.

Fine then. More for me. :grin:

[RedMaterialist]

they would be socially owned and operated not for profit, but as society directed. Of course, if society wants a somewhat nutritious, foul tasting hamburger, made in a few minutes, that is what it will get.

[Deity]

I'm sure that higher quality ingredients could be used when they are no longer around for profit thus giving us a healthier tastier version of McDonalds or whatever.

[billydan]

They should lower the prices at Starbucks their coffee is way too expensive

[vizzek]

They have massive distribution and production chains we want under worker/community control. Don't go stupid Pol Pot or Taliban and wreck em. Don't also think they're just great.

who's "we"? obviously I cant predict the future, but if I could guess i'd say that the revolutionary proletarians would choose not to stay enslaved to the abstract beasts of fast food and mass production.

[Blake's Baby]

They should lower the prices at Starbucks their coffee is way too expensive

Now, or after the revolution?

1 - this isn't as far as I'm aware a thread for 'making wishes in capitalism' - if it is, I want a boat;

2 - hard luck, we're abolishing money instead.

And no matter what the price of Starbucks coffee I'd think it wasn't worthwhile, because I think it's shit.

[billydan]

Now, or after the revolution?

1 - this isn't as far as I'm aware a thread for 'making wishes in capitalism' - if it is, I want a boat;

2 - hard luck, we're abolishing money instead.

And no matter what the price of Starbucks coffee I'd think it wasn't worthwhile, because I think it's shit.

i mean after

[Clarksist]

I think that realistically a communist revolution would not destroy major corporations.

Say Country A has a communist revolution. Anything in it owned by a major multinational corporation would be attempted to be seized, but the corporations themselves would still operate in other countries.

These corporations would make demands to the international community (which will most likely be predominately capitalist) asking for the capital lost to be returned or purchased. If Country A is small, a major problem will be dealing with this initial monetary setback. It is almost inconceivable that some reparations would not have to be paid in order to stave off military attack.

The constant capital would probably still be used, only run by the workers democratically.

This is the kind of real-world difficult situation that radicals this side of a revolution rarely think about. The chaffing with international capital power will be a major burden in the early geopolitics of a post-revolutionary society.

[Sea]

i mean after
That would be option number 2.

[blake 3:17]

who's "we"? obviously I cant predict the future, but if I could guess i'd say that the revolutionary proletarians would choose not to stay enslaved to the abstract beasts of fast food and mass production.


I'm with you, but/and/or... The production/distribution chain for food is absolutely insane at present. In many ways food is the issue that revolutionaries need to address.

I'm very much in favour of of Walden Bello's perspective on the family farm as unit of production. And living in Toronto, I have the blessing of eating amazing great food from non-chains easily and cheaply. Also lived in collective houses where cooking/purchasing was done consciously for all.

Want to learn to make injera.

Couple of great local orgs that are careful with their politics but do friggin great work:

http://www.thestop.org/

http://www.foodshare.net/

[Blake's Baby]

i mean after

After the revolution Starbucks coffee would be free and it would still be too much.

[helot]

These corporations would make demands to the international community (which will most likely be predominately capitalist) asking for the capital lost to be returned or purchased. If Country A is small, a major problem will be dealing with this initial monetary setback. It is almost inconceivable that some reparations would not have to be paid in order to stave off military attack.


you know that would completely destroy the revolution right? It would negate its entire point. If that's to happen we might as well go back to work under the watchful eye of our masters as that's what would happen.


Besides, it won't stave off military attack. You think the global bourgeoisie would even demand payment for it? A bit of capital is no where as important to them as maintaining their class dominance. They will not allow the working class to be in the saddle under any circumstances. You can appease them all you want they will invade. The only difference is whether you want their invasion after you've handed over a ton of resources to them and severely demoralised the rest of the workers or not. You know paying for the capital would be a visible sign of weakness right?




This is the kind of real-world difficult situation that radicals this side of a revolution rarely think about.

same goes for you, mate

[mybloodisred]

I'm with you, but/and/or... The production/distribution chain for food is absolutely insane at present. In many ways food is the issue that revolutionaries need to address.

Well people must be able to grow their own food. Giving the people the ability to sustain themselves or in collectively owned farms is a must.




Couple of great local orgs that are careful with their politics but do friggin great work:



Those look like good resources.