Professional actors, athletes, musicians etc in communism

[garrus]

Should such "non productive" jobs carry on existing in communism, or should they be mere hobbies?
After all with such few hours of daily work, people would have loads of free time to dedicate to such activities.

What do you think?

[Devrim]

There won't be 'jobs' in communism, productive or otherwise.

Devrim

[garrus]

My bad.
By jobs i meant activities that provide to the community, not today's wage work.
Lawyers, advertisers, bankers, etc will be eliminated in communism(their occupations, not physically), what about the ones i mention in the OPost ?

[Devrim]

I think that it is very difficult to imagine how full communism would be. While it is possible to say what it will not be, how a free community of humans will evolve is an almost impossible thing to predict.

Personally, I can imagine (and this might be the limits of my imagination) that there would still be some unpleasant tasks that would have to be done, and that somehow people would to take a share of those tasks.

Beyond that People would be free to engage in whatever activities they wanted, be that acting, sport, music, or space exploration.

That leaves a whole host of questions unanswered though. If we take sport for example would people still want to play in elite competitions of the best athletes? Would people want to watch them? People might be content to just play in local leagues with their friends.

Devrim

[garrus]

I simply asked for opinions, i know that such details depend on the people that carry out the revolution.

Do you consider,for example, unpleasant tasks rotation aside, that acting is an acceptable for of labor to contribute to society?
John calibrates the robots, Susan teaches 3rd grade, and Mike recites Shakespeare ?

[Brutus]

Mike provides entertainment, and puts time into his acting, learning lines, etcetera.

Surely not everyone can perform with confidence in front of a crowd

[GiantMonkeyMan]

These sorts of jobs provide a shared visual experience, enjoyment and happiness in communities. The culture industry, as it is in capitalism, commodifies this process until all effort put into production is posed as a way of gaining profit and reasserting the dominant ideology of the ruling class. That doesn't mean value isn't produced (and surplus value extracted).

[Deity]

If people want to spend their time to watch athletes/actors (and many people do) then why could that not be someones "job"? They are providing entertainment for others, which I would consider a contribution.

[garrus]

I had in mind ,as a personal "model" of mine, that everyone contributes to the "necessary" work that's needed to comfortably fullfil the basic human needs (food,transportation,teaching,public services etc etc) , and since required labor time in communism is ridiculously low, at their spare time people would engage in whatever activity they like, sports , acting, stamp collecting and other hobbies.

Spectators, fans etc of the above could be set up in the same way as if the activity was professionally done.

I doubt the 3 or so hours a day not spent in that hobby will affect one's performance in it, except if we're talking about major league world record stuff,which i think is ridiculous to begin with.
On the other hand, worthwhile cultural or athletic happenings are organized by independent and underground groups in capitalism and under the barriers it raises,with no professional crap, so imagine what people could achieve in communism.