A chance to abolish the Monarchy?

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I forget the man's name, but a guest was on Sky News talking about the Diana murder case.

He suggested that if any part of or link to the monarchy was found guilty of anything to do with the death of Dodi al-Fayed and Diana that it could lead to a revolt that would ultimately bring the Monarchy down. As, for some reason, a much loved woman in Britain, Diana would be supported over both the Queen and Charles.

If the heir to the throne is found in any way at all linked to the death of this much loved, but publicity hunting, woman then the public will turn on the Monarchy.

I'm not sure it will result in that. Indeed, I'm not sure that, even if they are guilty, the Monarchy will allow the truth to get out. But it is an interesting point I thought. It would take something of this magnitude to turn the opinion of the apathetic and blinded masses heavily against the Monarchy.

[James]

It must be remembered that the entire government and state is HM.
ie Her Majesty's

I agree - i think the state won't allow anything seriously damaging to the monarchy to happen.
Revolt? hmm, i imagine reform is more like it...

Oh, and i prefer Charles to Diana SOOO much. He is by far the best royal. Hands down.

[Hate Is Art]

They are all as bad as each other, if there was a revolt against the crown I would be out there getting the buggers out of parliment. Maybe Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would get proper independance.

Hey if power falls down who wants to set up a anarchist movement in Britain.

[monkeydust]

Diana was on the radio this morning............and on the dashboard and and the steering wheel and on the windscreen.



Anyway, I doubt that the Royal family had anything to do with the death of Diana myself, if they did then any evidence must be pretty flimsy, since it hasn't come out so far. Still, it would be nice to see the Monarchy got rid of after all ths time.

I somewhat disagree with James here, as Her Majesty does not really control the government at all. still Charles is Ok being a socialist and all.

[Hate Is Art]

Scrap them, but Charles would be better, but he's still a Monarch.

[Looter]

I am against the Monarchy, most people dont care and those that do support it. What can you do? Have a revolution and create a Socialist Republic!

[Kez]

revolt? what the fuck, no-one gives a shit for it to be a revolt

[RED FIRE]

I second that notion....

[Bradalius]

The monarchy has no power anyway. It is just a figurehead. The parliament has full control. The queen just gets to take the people's money, and live in lavish palaces. Bullshit if you ask me.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

She does have control over everything in Britain and all its terriotories, however she chooses not to weild it, leaving it open for 'democracy' to decide. However, i reckon she could and would weild that power(i.e. create a cover up) in order to keep the monarchy in power and herself as head of state.

[Hate Is Art]

you saw how they tried to prevent the truth about diana coming out with that book.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I think rather than them actually having power which, in theory, they do, the point is that they get money for nothing while many of the people they apparently love and care for suffer.

This is an ancient tradition which we should have passed by now. We look upon great Kings and Queens who were definately valuable at past stages of "civilization" and rightly so. But the monarchy today is not like it was in the 15th century or something.

It needs to be abolished because it's useless and a waste of valuable money.

[monkeydust]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 10 2004, 01:57 PM
She does have control over everything in Britain and all its terriotories, however she chooses not to weild it, leaving it open for 'democracy' to decide. However, i reckon she could and would weild that power(i.e. create a cover up) in order to keep the monarchy in power and herself as head of state.
That isn't true at all. The Queen has very little real power at all beyond her power to influence public opinion.
If she did anything at all that parliament disliked they would either just vote for her to be removed or all resign only to start a new body, exactly the same without the monarch.

[Hate Is Art]

You sure Left? I think she has some considerable power, although a lot of it is just for show.

[monkeydust]

I'm 100% sure on this one.

She really doesn't have considerable power. The laws from hindreds of years ago have changed greatly in meaning as the office of Prime minister has increased it's dominance over the Monarch.

For example the Queens speech used to be just that, as time went on her Prime Minister would advise her on what he felt might be included, today he writes it.

Elections are officially called by the queen, they still are, but only when the Prime Minister asks (and obviously within the five year limit).

The Queen knows that she doesn't have much real power left, this is why she won't use it. If she tried to abolish parliament they would simply pass a bill to get rid of her. They hold the real power of this country.

The British constitution is easily divisable into 4 disitnct sections from memory I think they are statute Law, Common law, Works of Authority and Conventional law (correct me if I'm wrong on these). Although the Queen may have considerable power according to common or occasionally statue law, it is convention (uncodified law) that leads to her not really having these powers.

[Kez]

the queen does have a fair few powers, however, if she trieed to use them against what the ruling class say, she would lose all her powers

[monkeydust]

Therefore she has little real power

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I think everyone understands.

The Queen, in theory, has power but cannot put it into practice because technicallly, she has none.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Doesn't she have the power to fire the priminister and seize emergency power?

[Kez]

in theory, if she put it in practice she would be got rid of, or at least every single one of her powers would be robbed, and maybe even financing dropped

[Looter]

You people have have to look at the big picture- which is the war in Iraq. It doesn't really matter which party is in power. You take the bourgoise nonsense so seriously. those poor clowns dont even have offices, they just make a lot of noise. Is the British war machine starved for cash, is her majesties secret service cutting back, what about the extraordinary measures to combat the IRA. The big picture nothing changes, Imperialism marches on, as long as whoever is prime minister keeps the show running, he can keep his job.