riots in stockholm after cops shoot man

[ed miliband]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/sweden-riots-husby-stockholm-suburb-police-shooting_n_3306185.html?utm_hp_ref=world

been going on since sunday, is there already a thread about this? fifty to sixty "youths" ( :rolleyes: ) apparently involved, and yet over 100 cars have been torched. hard working.

[aty]

Riots have spread tonight to more suburbs, police stations attacked, a lot of angry workers youths out on streets. Lot more than 60 involved...

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2e6rP4mcvI

[Le Socialiste]

Looks like it has spread to another suburb:


HUSBY, Sweden (AP) — Some 200 youths hurled rocks at police and set cars ablaze in a largely immigrant suburb of Stockholm on Tuesday, the second day of rioting triggered by the fatal police shooting of a man wielding a knife.

Dozens of windows were smashed, 10 cars and several containers were set on fire, and seven police officers were injured. Cars and containers were also set ablaze in another of the Swedish capital's suburbs, Fittja, although police said it was not clear whether the two events were linked.

http://news.yahoo.com/2nd-day-riots-stockholm-suburb-shakes-sweden-161139289.html

[svenne]

No, it started in Husby the night to monday, and now it seems to have spread to the other "ghettos" (well, it's not THAT bad - i've lived in one, often visits other and also worked in one, and i've never felt insecure). Problem seems to be that the cops first shot and killed a man, then lied about it. After a bit of rioting, the police started to beat everybody and anyone up, including social workers and people whom voluntary work against violence in the suburbs. They've escalated the situation pretty bad. The interesting part is that this happens against a backdrop of a sudden explosion of organized resistance, where several groups have sprung up (Pantrarna, in Göteborg and Malmö; and Megafonen and a couple of smaller groups in Stockholm). These groups -- while mostly standing outside the more marxist and anarchist groups -- is a part of the community, and refuses to dissociate themselves from the riots, and has been given the possibility to talk in the media. It's a pretty new situation for Sweden, even though it's not the first instance of suburb riots.

[ed miliband]

was flicking through news channels before bed last night, russia today were reporting on it and their chosen spokesperson from sweden was... a man from the national democrats. presented as a politically-neutral, high-profile swedish figure, no less.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Who said kids don't work hard? :lol:

[BOZG]

was flicking through news channels before bed last night, russia today were reporting on it and their chosen spokesperson from sweden was... a man from the national democrats. presented as a politically-neutral, high-profile swedish figure, no less.

National Democrats or Sweden Democrats?

[BOZG]

The interesting part is that this happens against a backdrop of a sudden explosion of organized resistance, where several groups have sprung up (Pantrarna, in Göteborg and Malmö; and Megafonen and a couple of smaller groups in Stockholm). These groups -- while mostly standing outside the more marxist and anarchist groups -- is a part of the community, and refuses to dissociate themselves from the riots, and has been given the possibility to talk in the media. It's a pretty new situation for Sweden, even though it's not the first instance of suburb riots.

Yes, absolutely. It is a very different situation than during the previous riots. Megafonen seem to be getting quite a lot of coverage and it will be interesting to see if a more organised expression of anger can either emerge out of the riots or at least alongside them. That there was more organised protests against the horstämpling in Gothenburg after the initial rioting shows that there is an openness for organised resistance and the left and it can also undermine the attempts of the right to portray it as mindles violence.

[ed miliband]

National Democrats or Sweden Democrats?

these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democrats_(Sweden)

he was talking about how sweden can't cope with different ethnicities, etc.


ALSO: in the last hour there has been a reported beheading(!) in south east london, followed by a shooting (belived to be by the police). already the media are leading with the line that it was 'black men' attacking a 'serving army officer'. fuuuuuck.

[BOZG]

these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democrats_(Sweden)

he was talking about how sweden can't cope with different ethnicities, etc.


Bizarre. The National Democrats are a minute organisation with no national profile and no national figures.

I could understand if they asked someone from the Sweden Democrats who are significant.

[BOZG]

A debate article written today by a CWI activist in Husby which gives a very brief overview of what's going on.

Husby residents must unite against police violence and vandalism

We who live in Husby have a proud tradition of united struggle, against amongst other things, rent increases and the closure of services in our locality. When we now see cars burning for the third night in a row, it is clear that the anger behind the vandalism must be turned into something more constructive. We need to unite against the politicians, not against Husby residents' cars and homes. Therefore we are organising a demonstration this afternoon against both vandalism and police violence, writes Arne Johansson, a resident of Husbybo.

Husby has a proud tradition of struggle against social cutbacks and attacks on our community services. We have always stood united. In the past two years, we have, for example, fought on four fronts: against the closure of our publicly-owned health center, against the privatisation of our public baths, the relocation of our community centre and against a dangerous local area plan that town hall concocted that would take away today's child-safe traffic bridges. We stopped the privatisation of the baths and the tearing down of the pedestrian footbridges. United struggle also stopped the bourgeoisie's attempts at 'social cleansing' with 70 percent rent increases. With united struggle directed against those responsible - not Husby residents' cars and homes - we can put an end to police violence and the destructive and misguided vandalism.
Many have been met with police batons in recent days: mothers, community activists, local shopkeepers and young people who are on the square and are doing nothing. Vandalism also affects those who live here.

It's my neighbor's car on fire and it is our home being destroyed. The anger needs to be converted to large and united protests against the real culprits: the police and politicians in city hall and government.

The media reports on the events in Husby do not tell everything. It's time to listen to us who live in the community and know the entire background. It was without a doubt the police's fatal shooting of a 69-year-old man last Monday that triggered the vandalism that occurred late on Sunday night and during the early hours of Monday and which grew when the police once again intervened with great brutality.

The police operation against the confused old man resembled a SWAT action against a bank robbery, and would not have looked the same if the same story had played out in Djursholm. [A wealthy area in the north of Stockholm - BOZG] That the police were caught out trying to release completely inaccurate facts surrounding the incident only reinforced a public perception that it was an execution. Why did the police claim that the old man was taken by ambulance and died in hospital - when in fact he died on the spot and was taken away in a coroner vehicle several hours later? The refusal of the police to put all the papers on the table and answer the questions sparked an anger against the police which has existed for a long time, especially among young people who have personal experience of the police's treatment.

The police treat people in the rich neighborhoods in one way, and the rest of us in a completely different way. That is just reconfirmed when the police in Husby call people monkeys, bum, buffoons and niggers. The same applies to the politicians in city hall - they do not treat us in working-class areas in the same manner as they treat people in the areas where they got their votes, as their constant attacks on our welfare, education and service show.

This treatment is the background to vandalism as a desperate form of protest. Understanding the cause and defending it, is two different things. The vandalism is misguided and destructive and affects ordinary people in Husby.

Therefore, it is once again time for unity. Today, Wednesday, May 22, the network "Järvas future" is assembling to demonstrate in Husby's Square: No to police violence and vandalism - Husby demands respect!

The demonstration is demanding: an independent inquiry and apology from the police, an end to police brutality and militarisation tendencies, immediate action for jobs and education for all young people, investment in community services and facilities and housing on our terms and an end to all privatisation and cutbacks. Furthermore, we want to see an end to the vandalism of our homes - it is incompatible with the common struggle.

Arne Johansson, Husby resident, activist in the network "Järvas future" and Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna (CWI in Sweden)

[aty]

Nazis got togheter last night and started beating innocent people sending immigrant teens to hospital, rumours they are out today also. Stockholm is mad these days, cup match tomorrow, lots of firms out today fighting each other and at the same time you have riots in several different suburbs and a lot of people organising to confront the nazis.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Did anyone see this RT shit?

ipGpAUKJtzI

It was mentioned here. I'm sure some of you still think RT's "pretty cool", amirite? :rolleyes:

[p0is0n]

edit: figured I'd mention some background: nazi "vigilance committees" have been set up and were reportedly patrolling the suburbs and ghettos.

grew up where the riots started (husby), spent most of night there at my dads. no nazis anywhere to be seen. friends in neighboring areas also report no nazis, despite claims by nazis of "cleansings" or whatever in the ghettos.

the only confirmed assault was a group of 20 or 30 nazis beating up a 15 year old kid on crutches, not sure where though.

[BOZG]

Ignore.

[BOZG]

edit: figured I'd mention some background: nazi "vigilance committees" have been set up and were reportedly patrolling the suburbs and ghettos.

grew up where the riots started (husby), spent most of night there at my dads. no nazis anywhere to be seen. friends in neighboring areas also report no nazis, despite claims by nazis of "cleansings" or whatever in the ghettos.

the only confirmed assault was a group of 20 or 30 nazis beating up a 15 year old kid on crutches, not sure where though.

The 15 year old was in Tumba. This (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstorify.com%2Fopassande%2Fnazistern a-i-storvreten&act=url) twitter feed gives an idea of what happened. It's translated with Google Translate so it's probably not great but people should be able to get an idea.

The nazis have been claiming up to 500 were out patrolling on Friday evening / Saturday morning but mainly in the southern surburbs of Stockholm. They seemed to very consciously avoiding the suburbs where anything of signficance has been happening and instead focusing a bit more on areas where there was has been small fires etc. It also seems that they were consciously avoiding the areas that have a significant immigrant / non-white population where they would have been run out. The media reports about the fascists which are based on police reports estimate 50-60 fascists which is obviously significantly less than claimed. The fascists are saying that there were two big groups with - one with 100 or so people and another with 300+ and the indication that media was obviously talking about the smaller group. This could be true but from following their updates all evening and piecing together who was were, it was actually the bigger group which the media / cops have been reporting on. However, there's only one picture that I've seen in which you get any idea of how many were involved and it was taken when they first met up and shows probably 50-70 people. No other pictures have emerged except for a few which show nothing. I'm inclined to think that we won't see any other pictures because they can't show the claimed 500 brave warriors. It's also interesting to note that despite claiming that there are hundreds of them, drawn from not just fascist groups but from football fans and "ordinary Swedes", they refuse to actually publicly announce a meeting place because it would trigger a big police presence. The first thing that comes to my mind is how exactly are "ordinary Swedes" joining up if they don't know where to go unless they already have connections to people in these groups which pretty much undermines the idea that they're just "ordinary Swedes". It's also very difficult to hide 500 fascists roaming the streets - the cops will be aware of them quite quickly, whether the meeting place is published or not. It is far more likely that their numbers are much smaller and they're worried that the cops will easily prevent them from going anywhere.

The Facebook group which is front for them announced yesterday that they would be meeting against last night but there was absolutely no updates on what happened in comparison to the previous night. Realisten.se which is run by the fascist Svenskarnas parti (The Swedes' Party) and which is involved here also didn't have running commentary as it had the night before which makes me believe that nothing of significance happened. I did however see rumours of fascists heading out to the Husby area but nothing confirmed. There were claims that a group of fascists were patrolling the border between Husby and nearby Sollentuna so I wonder if it was them again.

[BOZG]

Did anyone see this RT shit?

ipGpAUKJtzI

It was mentioned here. I'm sure some of you still think RT's "pretty cool", amirite? :rolleyes:

I didn't see this but I did see their article yesterday which wasn't much better. They managed to interview Kent Ekeroth from the Sweden Democrats, Ingrid Carlqvist and Lars Hedegaard of Dispatch International, who think that Expo magazine is the lapdog of the pro-immigration Swedish state and who discovered or imagined racism out of nowhere at the behest of the state, as well as the parliamentary leader of the fascist Vlaams Belang in Belgium. They also had interviews with the Swedish PM and the Integration Minister. Not a single comment of interview with anyone on the ground in Husby or from a non-islamaphobic / anti-immigration group.

[p0is0n]

The 15 year old was in Tumba. This (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstorify.com%2Fopassande%2Fnazistern a-i-storvreten&act=url) twitter feed gives an idea of what happened. It's translated with Google Translate so it's probably not great but people should be able to get an idea.

The nazis have been claiming up to 500 were out patrolling on Friday evening / Saturday morning but mainly in the southern surburbs of Stockholm. They seemed to very consciously avoiding the suburbs where anything of signficance has been happening and instead focusing a bit more on areas where there was has been small fires etc. It also seems that they were consciously avoiding the areas that have a significant immigrant / non-white population where they would have been run out. The media reports about the fascists which are based on police reports estimate 50-60 fascists which is obviously significantly less than claimed. The fascists are saying that there were two big groups with - one with 100 or so people and another with 300+ and the indication that media was obviously talking about the smaller group. This could be true but from following their updates all evening and piecing together who was were, it was actually the bigger group which the media / cops have been reporting on. However, there's only one picture that I've seen in which you get any idea of how many were involved and it was taken when they first met up and shows probably 50-70 people. No other pictures have emerged except for a few which show nothing. I'm inclined to think that we won't see any other pictures because they can't show the claimed 500 brave warriors. It's also interesting to note that despite claiming that there are hundreds of them, drawn from not just fascist groups but from football fans and "ordinary Swedes", they refuse to actually publicly announce a meeting place because it would trigger a big police presence. The first thing that comes to my mind is how exactly are "ordinary Swedes" joining up if they don't know where to go unless they already have connections to people in these groups which pretty much undermines the idea that they're just "ordinary Swedes". It's also very difficult to hide 500 fascists roaming the streets - the cops will be aware of them quite quickly, whether the meeting place is published or not. It is far more likely that their numbers are much smaller and they're worried that the cops will easily prevent them from going anywhere.

The Facebook group which is front for them announced yesterday that they would be meeting against last night but there was absolutely no updates on what happened in comparison to the previous night. Realisten.se which is run by the fascist Svenskarnas parti (The Swedes' Party) and which is involved here also didn't have running commentary as it had the night before which makes me believe that nothing of significance happened. I did however see rumours of fascists heading out to the Husby area but nothing confirmed. There were claims that a group of fascists were patrolling the border between Husby and nearby Sollentuna so I wonder if it was them again.
yeah i heard some rumors of these scumbags gathering at järva krog (tweets to nazispotter), was too tired to go check it out. i am absolutely positive these fucking shitstains couldn't muster more than, at the absolute maximum in best of conditions, a few hundred. shit, they can't even get more than 500 to their national demonstrations which are announced months in advanced and when they bus in idiots from other cities and other countries.

part of me wishes they would've come so we could've shown them how welcome they are. a real fucking ortenvälkomnande.

thanks for the link.

[BOZG]

After posting earlier, I noticed Realisten did have a feed that I had missed and I'm wondering if the Facebook group is only posting to people liking the page now. Anyway, seems that they spent most of the night being harassed by the cops and when they heard that the cops were picking up people in groups of 5 they fucked off. Looks like some of them were arrested anyway. I seen someone claiming 130 people gathered last which is a significant decrease on their previous claim. Realisten's token picture shows 30 max.

[Sentinel]

Thanks BOZG for keeping Revleft updated. Our party branch in Husby has been organising daily activities since these events began, as have all the others. The response amongst the population has been good, as has the attendancy of the meetings we've kept and the demontration we held in Husby last wednesday.

Our message is to condemn, besides police violence also meaningless vandalism, while highlighting the actual reasons behind the situation - years of vandalism from the government against the workers, poor and youth in the suburbs, in form of cuts and closures of services and youth centers, harassment of youth by the police etc.

As mentioned above, the inhabitants of Husby have a history of local struggle and organisation, and will no doubt be up to the task of making the best of this chaotic situation, and coming up with progressive plans and demands that will sort the situation in a constructive manner. We stand with them by helping organise and gather those prepared to struggle.

As for nazi vigilante squads, I doubt they'd actually dare come to these parts of town. But if they do they will face a unified population standing against them.

[aty]

Nazis in these "guards" succesfully confronted:
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/968919_518716804843738_1010148832_n.jpg

[BOZG]

Aty,

Any idea where that was?

[Crux]

Emory Douglas, former Culture Minister for the Black Panther Party, on the riots in Sweden:
f0MqenovsUg

Also an article by one of the Swedish comrades:
The reality of Swedish neo-liberalism (http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/6330)

[human strike]

Nina Power places the Swedish riots in an international context. Excellent as always: http://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/rioting-reason-england-to-sweden-and-back-again (english), http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/debatt-essa/ilskan-i-fororten-ar-inte-bara-svensk (swedish)


Our message is to condemn, besides police violence also meaningless vandalism, while highlighting the actual reasons behind the situation - years of vandalism from the government against the workers, poor and youth in the suburbs, in form of cuts and closures of services and youth centers, harassment of youth by the police etc.

As mentioned above, the inhabitants of Husby have a history of local struggle and organisation, and will no doubt be up to the task of making the best of this chaotic situation, and coming up with progressive plans and demands that will sort the situation in a constructive manner. We stand with them by helping organise and gather those prepared to struggle.

I've highlighted a few bits that I wondered if you could clarify? Are you saying you party condemns vandalism committed by rioters when you say 'mindless vandalism' or are you talking about "government vandalism." Also, are you saying rioting isn't progressive or constructive? Kinda sounds like you're expressing a desire to appropriate, control, and/or recuperate these riots. That would still be better than the stance of the British section of the CWI on the English riots of 2011 though. 9_9

[BOZG]

Nina Power places the Swedish riots in an international context. Excellent as always: http://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/rioting-reason-england-to-sweden-and-back-again (english), http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/debatt-essa/ilskan-i-fororten-ar-inte-bara-svensk (swedish)



I've highlighted a few bits that I wondered if you could clarify? Are you saying you party condemns vandalism committed by rioters when you say 'mindless vandalism' or are you talking about "government vandalism." Also, are you saying rioting isn't progressive or constructive? Kinda sounds like you're expressing a desire to appropriate, control, and/or recuperate these riots.

No, it's a desire to see the riots take on a form that actually challenges the authority of the state rather than just representing an outburst of raw anger.

And there is nothing inherently progressive in rioting. It depends on how it develops and who it's aimed at. In the context of the state-sanctioned vandalism of Husby and the suburbs, additional vandalism in the form of attacks on schools, people's cars and homes is not constructive, even if it's understandable and a reflection of the desire to lash out at the society that has rejected them.

That said, blame lies purely at the feet of the cops and the state. That doesn't mean that the left should become uncritical cheerleaders of every outbreak of anger / resistance directed at the state.

[svenne]

By condemning the violence, the CWI is pretty much placing itself to the right of Megafonen and a couple of other groups. While i guess pretty much no one -- except a minority of anarchists in Sweden -- likes the violence, there's nothing to be gained by condemning it or actively dissociating. Crappy places to live leads to violence and riots, and nothing gets better (or worse, hehe) when a small leftist party says it's wrong. And i'm pretty sure there's already a lot of organizing happening by local groups on pretty much all of the subway lines, and that a lot of the political groups have members living there. As for the latest development on the nazi vigilantes, it seems to have died down after the suburbs organized their own groups, and the nazis suddenly didn't seem so interested in fighting anymore. There's also been some form of contact between the anti fascist groups AFA and RF, and these groups from the suburbs, if Facebook is to be taken seriously. The riots also seems to have pretty much died down to the standard level now.

[human strike]

No, it's a desire to see the riots take on a form that actually challenges the authority of the state rather than just representing an outburst of raw anger.

And there is nothing inherently progressive in rioting. It depends on how it develops and who it's aimed at. In the context of the state-sanctioned vandalism of Husby and the suburbs, additional vandalism in the form of attacks on schools, people's cars and homes is not constructive, even if it's understandable and a reflection of the desire to lash out at the society that has rejected them.

That said, blame lies purely at the feet of the cops and the state. That doesn't mean that the left should become uncritical cheerleaders of every outbreak of anger / resistance directed at the state.

I'm afraid I disagree. There is something inherently progressive in rioting. Riots (and especially mass rioting such as this), at the very least, act as a physical challenge to the sovereignty of the state. They call into question the very basis on which the state exists; its monopoly on the use of violence/coercive force. This can be seen not only in the violence of rioters, but also in the spontaneous self-organisation of communities in defending their areas from rioters or fascists, such as svenne describes above, in spite of the state whose authoritative functions are stretched due to the riots - many cracks are opened up and if the left were to take proper advantage of these situations many more would open. So you see these riots do represent an actual challenge to the 'authority of the state', and far more so than most of the tactics used by the organised Left.

What is wrong with vandalising schools? Surely, as they are repressive institutions belonging to the state, we should expect them to be attacked? As for destruction of people's cars; burning and turning over cars has proved to be a very effective tactic in a number of different ways. One is practical; they act as good barricade material. Fire has been shown to have a spectacular effect in both attracting media lenses and spreading disturbances. If there was one image that did more than any other to spread the riots in England in August 2011 it was the burning bus in Tottenham that was broadcast live on several major channels at once for the whole world to see. This may be extrapolating quite a bit, but I think it is difficult to exaggerate the effect that image had.

Ultimately though, riots are not homogenous, they are spontaneous and disorganised. They do not belong to anyone and they are not orchestrated by anyone. They are a miltiplicity of actions carried out for a multiplicity of reasons by a multiplicity of people. We cannot treat damage to people's homes as part of the same movement that also attacks police stations. They occur at the same time, possibly by the same people, but they are not part of the same act. I do not think it is any use to condemn any aspect of any given riot or anything that occurs during a riot - there is a particular obsession that exists within society and the Left of condemning or condoning events and demanding that people do the same. It is useful to organise against any actions we see as unacceptable - vandalism of people's homes, for example - but it is counter-productive to condemn. Condemning only divides and opens up the entire multiplicity to criticism and attack. Let's not forget that the repression that occurs during riots such as this and follows on from them is extremely violent and largely indiscriminate and only done all the more easily if there is an accepted narrative of universally condemned violence. This is why people who were accused of stealing a bottle of water or an ice cream or posting on facebook about rioting received lengthy prison sentences - up to a number of years - after the August 2011 riots.

[human strike]

http://transform-network.net/blog/blog-2013/news/detail/Blog/on-the-fires-in-the-periphery-of-stockholm.html

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I'm afraid I disagree. There is something inherently progressive in rioting. Riots (and especially mass rioting such as this), at the very least, act as a physical challenge to the sovereignty of the state. They call into question the very basis on which the state exists; its monopoly on the use of violence/coercive force. This can be seen not only in the violence of rioters, but also in the spontaneous self-organisation of communities in defending their areas from rioters or fascists, such as svenne describes above, in spite of the state whose authoritative functions are stretched due to the riots - many cracks are opened up and if the left were to take proper advantage of these situations many more would open. So you see these riots do represent an actual challenge to the 'authority of the state', and far more so than most of the tactics used by the organised Left.

Riots can be inherently reactionary too. A good example were the recent anti-Muslim riots in Burma by Buddhist fanatics.

This isn't an example of that kind of riot, but it's worth noting that riots are not necessarily progressive.

[AynRand]

Now let's watch SD's vote increase to the 15% mark. Fun times.

[aty]

Now let's watch SD's vote increase to the 15% mark. Fun times.
Who the fuck cares really? They will not have any political power because the rest of the population is actually getting more friendly against immigration and the Left Party is rising too.

In a opinion poll after the riots the swedish population said it was best to put more money into welfare too stop future riots. They did not think that more cops or harder sentences would help in any high degree. It was better schools and jobs for all that was seen as the solution.

And today it is only the Left Party that oppose the privatization of the school system in Sweden that have segregated the schools between rich and poor. I am just sick of "the left" always being so defeatist.

[BOZG]

In a opinion poll after the riots the swedish population said it was best to put more money into welfare too stop future riots. They did not think that more cops or harder sentences would help in any high degree. It was better schools and jobs for all that was seen as the solution.

Here ( http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.se&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.demoskop.se/aktuellt/nyhet/undersokning-om-upploppen-i-stockholms-fororter/&usg=ALkJrhgEnt-AQRYzrMv7ipjq2VScQTiC0w ) is a Google translation of the poll for anyone who is interested. It's extremely interesting actually. It doesn't give immigration as an option (which would have been interesting though I think the results would be skewed with it included) but with the exception of the far-right Sweden Democrats, at least 60% of the voters from all the other parties think that greater investment in education is the solution, along with increased dialogue with the community and more investment in youth facilities which suggests very strongly that most people see cuts and a lack of investment as the source of anger, not immigration itself considering that the law and order choices of greater police powers, more police resources and harsher sentences all came last with the exception of Sweden Democrat supporters.