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Quail
19th May 2013, 22:02
This came up on my facebook newsfeed (from someone who also found it horrific) and I actually feel kind of sick and speechless. I don't know to what extent the general population thinks like this but just wow. And the comments too. I just don't even know what to say about the vile, disgusting misogyny displayed here other than MRAs are fucking scum.

Study Reveals Female Rape Victims Enjoyed the Experience

A university study, Romeo, Felicia F. Acquaintance Rape on College and University Campuses, AAETS. Web. 22 Nov. 2010. The study of female rape victims concluded that the majority 57% of women who were raped on college campuses, reported feelings that were described as positive and satisfied, about the experience.

The study reflected survey results of 1,700 victims of rape that was perpetrated by a male acquaintance in a social environment, also known as date rape.

A meta analytic review of related studies pointed to the validity of the Romeo study. Hoskins and Fisk, 2010.

Perhaps surprising in the survey results was the fact that nearly 38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so.

This would also be quite consistent with findings outlined in an article from Psychology Today, regarding the prevalence and incidence of rape fantasies in women, much of which are quite extreme and violent.

From the article:

From 1973 through 2008, nine surveys of womens rape fantasies have been published. They show that about four in 10 women admit having them (31 to 57 percent) with a median frequency of about once a month. Actual prevalence of rape fantasies is probably higher because women may not feel comfortable admitting them.

For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. The Nature of Womens Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents,Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?

Sixty-two percent said theyd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being overpowered by a man, 52 percent said theyd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in womens romance fiction. But when the term was rape, only 32 percent said theyd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.

Clearly, there is much yet to be understood about women and their predilection for being physically overpowered and forced to engage in sexual activity in a violent way.

And it calls into question whether prevailing attitudes about rape may be convoluted due to a social taboo against the practice.

It may be time in modern culture where we need to start evaluating the possibility that women, through the cultural expression of patriarchy, may be unfairly restricted from articulating their desire to be raped, and as such cut off from the full actualization of their sexual freedom.

In another Psychology Today article on dealing with the sexual liberation of women, some aspects of repression were addressed.

From the article:

What caused the sexual revolution?

Many factors may have been implicated, such as improved contraception (the pill which gave women more control), but effective condoms had been widely used for a century. Marriage prospects and careers were the key. Womens marriage prospects worsened steadily throughout the sixties and there were only 80 men of marriageable age for every 100 women (2) thanks to an echo effect of the baby boom a generation earlier. Women also postponed marriage as they developed careers.

The net result was a large and increasing population of women who were sexually active outside marriage. Facing stiffer competition for men, women upped the ante by offering increased levels of sexual intimacy outside marriage.

In addition to complying with the masculine desire for sex without strings, women today adopt a more masculine sensibility regarding issues of number of sexual partners, sexual variety, and sexual satisfaction.

And, in a related study by Kale and Weiser, 1998, it was suggested that the full actualization of that liberation would include the idea of womens pervasive rape fantasies being fulfilled spontaneously by men in their immediate environment.

On a more subjective note, this could be an explanation for the recurrent theme in feminist literature of rape culture. It may well be that the outward obsession with this notion, in a culture that clearly condemns and punishes rape, may be a matter of projective denial reflecting a desire for an actual rape culture to emerge in order to fulfill womens unfulfilled sexual desires.

It also calls into question whether the concept of consent, where it relates to sexual activity, is antiquated. Indeed it calls into question whether the concept of rape, in the literal definition, is just a cultural misconception for a male tendency to fulfill womens desire for sexual excitement and thrills and womens collective desire to see this accomplished.

That would at least partly explain why there is currently far reaching efforts to broaden the definition of rape, given we interpret those efforts as an attempt to fulfill as many rape fantasies as possible.

All this should be considered, however, with the caveat that the Romeo study found no results whatsoever as presented in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this article, and the fact that the Kale & Weiser and Fisk studies are not extant.

These items, indeed this entire article, are illustrative examples of what Murray Straus identified as Evidence by Citation and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by feminist ideologues. They were presented here as an example of their destructive use.

Tags: Academic Tyranny, False Accusations, Femininity, Feminist lies, Hate Movement, Miscellaneous, Rape, Rape Culture, Rape Hysteria

From A Voice For Men (http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/study-reveals-female-rape-victims-enjoyed-the-experience/).

ZenTaoist
19th May 2013, 22:08
I was JUST trying to post this. Unbelievable.

To read the comments on this article is even more disturbing.

evermilion
19th May 2013, 22:19
I'd just like to say that, as a man, myself, I don't endorse any of this bullshit. I'm not sure who these assholes are, but I don't think my "rights" need to include legitimizing rape apologia.

Fourth Internationalist
19th May 2013, 22:21
What does "MRA" mean?

Ele'ill
19th May 2013, 22:23
What does "MRA" mean?

men's/male rights advocacy

Quail
19th May 2013, 22:27
Yes, the comments are really bad and pretty disturbing. I don't know why I put myself through reading this kind of stuff. The entire website is pretty disgusting tbh. I read another couple of articles while I was on there for some reason and they're unconvincing at best and the comments are just horribly sexist.

A Revolutionary Tool
19th May 2013, 22:30
I'd just like to say that, as a man, myself, I don't endorse any of this bullshit. I'm not sure who these assholes are, but I don't think my "rights" need to include legitimizing rape apologia.

This isn't rape apologism, this is like rape advocacy. What are you supposed to think after you read an article that says women like to be raped? "Well maybe that girl wants to be raped, she'll enjoy it, that's what the study said."

Leftsolidarity
19th May 2013, 22:34
This might be the most sexist and disgusting thing I've read.

Fourth Internationalist
19th May 2013, 22:36
Here's a reply to a comment on that article, referring to rape:

"When I said non-violent, I meant without severe violence like the woman getting permanent injuries and broken limbs. You know REAL violence."

So much is wrong with this... :(

Vanilla
19th May 2013, 23:16
What the hell... I'm not even going to put myself through the torture of reading the comments. I try to be understanding, but I can't even fathom how anyone can possibly think that way, let alone whole groups of people.

Le Socialiste
20th May 2013, 00:28
Sickening shit, especially given the prevalence of 'rape culture' on university campuses (and in society at large). This article only compounds the issues confronting women regarding rape and control over one's body. According to the most recent statistics, 1 in 3 women at uni will be raped or otherwise sexually harassed before graduation (provided they don't drop out under pressure from the administration - which happens at a startling rate). Women who come forward are subjected to humiliating interrogations and layers of bureaucratic red tape from security and campus admins, and some are even threatened with expulsion (http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expulsion-for-intimidating-her-rapist) or forcibly checked into psychiatric wards (http://amherststudent.amherst.edu/?q=article/2012/10/17/account-sexual-assault-amherst-college) simply for discussing their experiences.

And that's not even looking at it on a national, or international level.

Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores
20th May 2013, 03:17
This is absolutely no place to discuss the Vanguard Party. Take it to another thread.

Fourth Internationalist
20th May 2013, 03:22
This is absolutely no place to discuss the Vanguard Party. Take it to another thread.

Yeah, it kinda went off topic..."-" started it!

Red Commissar
20th May 2013, 03:29
I'm looking at the study this MRA cites but there's nothing in the article that mentions his quote. Heck there's nothing even in there about asking a victim how they felt about the encounter. The article is just talking about the incidents of rape on a campus, whether the attacker was known to the victim, and the common drugs/methods employed as well as issues with getting victims to report the attacks.

http://www.aaets.org/article135.htm

There's nothing in there to even go along with the MRA article's assertions. It seems he made up numbers and put up an article to make it sound legitimate. So he's either trolling or trying to cause a mess so the MRAs can go "oh look how hysterical they're all being!".

Skyhilist
20th May 2013, 03:37
The vanguard and the vanguard party are two different things.

Sorry, I misread your original post.

And sorry everyone for digressing, ik that's not what this thread is about.

Crixus
20th May 2013, 03:43
These people are disgusting. I've been feeling a lot of disgust and contempt for my fellow human beings lately but I think I understand the MRA's twisted motivation. To understand something isn't to agree with it mind you.


Perhaps surprising in the survey results was the fact that nearly 38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so. Below is the actual study. There's no information which supports his lame agenda BUT that is his lame agenda.

http://www.aaets.org/article135.htm

His agenda is to lie because this is exactly what he's accusing feminists of and says it is satire "exposing" the fraudulent research methods some feminists use. How destructive it can be when facts are warped, when source material is misquoted, when 'satire' such as the SCUM manifesto is written etc.

Essentially what this asshole is saying is "feminists lie all the time, look a the the horrible affects it would have if we did the same".


He said so...and I quote (don't shoot the messenger here):


"All this should be considered, however, with the caveat that the Romeo study found no results whatsoever as presented in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this article, and the fact that the Kale & Weiser and Fisk studies are not extant. These items, indeed this entire article, are illustrative examples of what Murray Straus identified as “Evidence by Citation” and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by feminist ideologues. They were presented here as an example of their destructive use."Really all it achieves is exposing the need for feminism particularly in the comment section with men too stupid to realize what their man in arms idiot was attempting to do. Men who are like..."ya, women enjoy rape". So, if anything this "satire" is a giant backfire.

Einkarl
20th May 2013, 03:52
men's/male rights advocacy

Okay thats all i needed to know

Palmares
20th May 2013, 06:04
This is absolutely no place to discuss the Vanguard Party. Take it to another thread.

Indeed.

It is also the responsibility of moderators to split a thread in such circumstances.

This isn't just a few off-topic comments, but rather a distinct fork in the discussion.

Le Socialiste
20th May 2013, 07:35
I'm gonna split the conversation pertaining to the role of vanguard parties/organizations from this thread, seeing that - as Palmares pointed out - there's been a 'fork' in the discussion.

Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
20th May 2013, 09:36
...I don't have the words, so I'm going to hit the keyboard and grunt some expletives in response.

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blake 3:17
20th May 2013, 09:55
Yes, the comments are really bad and pretty disturbing. I don't know why I put myself through reading this kind of stuff. The entire website is pretty disgusting tbh. I read another couple of articles while I was on there for some reason and they're unconvincing at best and the comments are just horribly sexist.

Know your enemies? I've looked at some of the MRA stuff here in Toronto, and can only take it in doses, but it's good(?) to know what's out there.

Quail
20th May 2013, 10:26
Admittedly when I first read the article, I didn't read the bit at the very bottom, but I read it through again last night and I still think the author is a piece of shit, and the article is badly thought out with sexist overtones.



Really all it achieves is exposing the need for feminism particularly in the comment section with men too stupid to realize what their man in arms idiot was attempting to do. Men who are like..."ya, women enjoy rape". So, if anything this "satire" is a giant backfire.
I think it's a pretty dangerous "satire" and the implication is that feminists write the same kinds of things about men, which is not the case at all. Maybe there are some feminists in some deep dark corner of the internet who sound like that, but feminists generally criticise power structures, not individual men. The whole article is basically a deeply sickening way of saying "feminists are liars who hate men." The worst thing is, many of the people making comments also didn't read the bottom of the article properly, so now there are a bunch of misogynists out there who now believe that women secretly like rape.

Sea
21st May 2013, 03:02
Dear Paul[/URL][URL="http://www.avoiceformen.com/author/paul/"] (http://www.avoiceformen.com/author/paul/) Elam:

The fact that you walk around with your own dick bent in your ass doesn't give you any authority to talk about rape. And if this is meant to be some sort of counter-Solanas satire (considering the last paragraph), tough luck, because some of those comments are quite serious.


Honestly I expect that article will be deleted if this spreads so it might be a good idea to save a copy to your hard drive in case you ever need to show a potential "men's rights activist" or anyone who thinks feminism is a big conspiracy what their bullshit leads to.

evermilion
21st May 2013, 03:06
The fact that you walk around with your own dick bent in your ass doesn't give you any authority to talk about rape.

Comrade Sea, I'd just like you to understand that this is my all-time favorite thing anyone has ever said to anyone else on the internet.

Craig_J
21st May 2013, 03:14
I can't believe this article! Not only have they clearly faked some study that's happened but they're questioning whether this horrible fake study should encourage a change in law?!?!

I know people who have been rape victims and they're expeirences are far from enjoyable, they've been severley damaged by it and it's changed their character almost completely.

Why does society produce scum like this?

EDIT: Just realised that it admits to being a fake study and says some bull shit about feminism doing similar.... Well I thought they were genuinley trying to make it out as a study, so I'm sure some idiots on there would've believed as being a GENUINE study!

Niall
21st May 2013, 09:39
surely the finsings they write of cannot be correct

Dropdead
21st May 2013, 10:42
This is fucking disgusting.. The most disgusting part is that some people actually agree with this bullshit.. (comments section)

The Garbage Disposal Unit
30th June 2013, 23:05
Has anybody read The Military Strategy of Women and Children by Butch Lee?

Probably things like the article in the OP speak to its relevance.