Post-communist society

[Roberto]

World is united, capitalism is dead and buried, there are no economic classes, money does not exist and everybody has food, shelter, education and health care. Most of work is done by technology.

...as years and generations go by, part of population will realize that they are in a situaition they do not like because they believe they are better than others.

After money, maybe the new currency will be respect, popularity, maybe it will be intelligence, maybe sexual relations, music performance, personal services etc... maybe it will be something you never tought of like pride of your local sports club succeding etc...

I know of a group of `indigo kids` who separate themselves from the others `mere mortals , judge others by their positivness and strenght of energy. Although they have like 17, people come to them to be healed etc.

Since the subjects of mere survival will not be a subject any more, other forms of discrimination and exploatation will become horrible and awfull to humans like the exploatation today. Although it is not as bad as someone whipping you and keeping you literally imprisioned it is still not good. Someone is bossing you around and profiting upon your labor.

Think of being in school... although you are not fearing starvation or being a slave... there are still classes of society besed upon beauty, popularity, music, interest etc... there is violence, disrespect, exploatation, tribalism etc.

One of main reasons people act like that is because there are no incentives to be serious... there is no danger of starving or dieing... nothing to actually make you `grow up`. And you know that whatever you do is not crucial because world is rich and stable and will continue to be so even if you are wacking it off whole day.

I know the mindset of people here is `those negativities are produced by the capitalism etc` but they are not, they are produced by human nature. Idle hands are the devils workshop.

[Comrade #138672]

Human nature...

People do not mature, because they have to struggle for survival; but, because, they are exposed to society and its social relationships, which they must adapt to.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

World is united, capitalism is dead and buried, there are no economic classes, money does not exist and everybody has food, shelter, education and health care. Most of work is done by technology.

...as years and generations go by, part of population will realize that they are in a situaition they do not like because they believe they are better than others.

Could you elaborate on the part I highlighted? On what basis are these people believing that they are better than everyone else?


After money, maybe the new currency will be respect, popularity, maybe it will be intelligence, maybe sexual relations, music performance, personal services etc... maybe it will be something you never tought of like pride of your local sports club succeding etc...

I know of a group of `indigo kids` who separate themselves from the others `mere mortals , judge others by their positivness and strenght of energy. Although they have like 17, people come to them to be healed etc.

Since the subjects of mere survival will not be a subject any more, other forms of discrimination and exploatation will become horrible and awfull to humans like the exploatation today. Although it is not as bad as someone whipping you and keeping you literally imprisioned it is still not good. Someone is bossing you around and profiting upon your labor.

Think of being in school... although you are not fearing starvation or being a slave... there are still classes of society besed upon beauty, popularity, music, interest etc... there is violence, disrespect, exploatation, tribalism etc.

Well that makes more sense, except that people will still be growing up into mature adults in a communist society.


One of main reasons people act like that is because there are no incentives to be serious... there is no danger of starving or dieing... nothing to actually make you `grow up`. And you know that whatever you do is not crucial because world is rich and stable and will continue to be so even if you are wacking it off whole day.

Being thrown into a survival situation is not necessary in order to grow up. Interaction with adults, however, is.


I know the mindset of people here is `those negativities are produced by the capitalism etc` but they are not, they are produced by human nature. Idle hands are the devils workshop.

The devil is just as much of a terrible lie as God is.

[evermilion]

My hopes were raised by the title of this post that I'd actually see a serious discussion about social evolution after the end of capitalism. Instead, here's more crap about "human nature" that presupposes far too much metaphysical stuff for me to take seriously.

[hatzel]

After money, maybe the new currency will be respect, popularity, maybe it will be intelligence, maybe sexual relations, music performance, personal services etc... maybe it will be something you never tought of like pride of your local sports club succeding etc...

Glad to see you know how money works. I'll give you 2 prides for your shirt, bro!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

My hopes were raised by the title of this post that I'd actually see a serious discussion about social evolution after the end of capitalism. Instead, here's more crap about "human nature" that presupposes far too much metaphysical stuff for me to take seriously.

I actually thought it was going to be about some hypothetical society after communism.

A highly speculative and blue-sky topic to be sure, considering that we haven't even achieved communism yet, but at least it would have been somewhat interesting, compared to the OP's nonsense.

[liberlict]

It's likely that we will be exploring other realms of the universe within a couple hundred years. That needs to be taken into account. When people do start leaving the earth, i'd estimate that the richer capitalists will go first. If that's the case, creating communism might not be a "global" issue, but a universal one.

It's also possible that "mankind" and it's supposed nature will become academic if we start pres-electing our genes. We can start selecting ourselves in advance to behave how we would like, rather than accepting evolutionary design.

[#FF0000]

It's also possible that "mankind" and it's supposed nature will become academic if we start pres-electing our genes. We can start selecting ourselves in advance to behave how we would like, rather than accepting evolutionary design.

That is totally in the realm of science fiction at this point, tho.

[liberlict]

That is totally in the realm of science fiction at this point, tho.

True. But you'd have to assume that's the direction were heading, wouldn't you?

[evermilion]

True. But you'd have to assume that's the direction were heading, wouldn't you?

Were you the guy talking about people of differing political beliefs living on separate planets? Or was that some other idiot?

[liberlict]

That must have been some other idiot. :D

[evermilion]

That must have been some other idiot. :D
You may find communists to be divided on many issues, but it's impossible to tell you lolbertarians apart.

[#FF0000]

True. But you'd have to assume that's the direction were heading, wouldn't you?

Nope.

[liberlict]

Nope.

How come? You don't think space travel and genetic engineering are inevitable?

[#FF0000]

How come? You don't think space travel and genetic engineering are inevitable?

I don't think anything is inevitable. It's very likely we'll be flying around in space eventually but there's some pretty big barriers to genetic engineering. Might as well be talking about the inevitability of replicators because we have 3D printing today.

[liberlict]

I don't think anything is inevitable. It's very likely we'll be flying around in space eventually but there's some pretty big barriers to genetic engineering. Might as well be talking about the inevitability of replicators because we have 3D printing today.

Genetic engineering is already possible, has been for a long time. The barriers to it are ethical/religious and such.

[#FF0000]

Genetic engineering is already possible, has been for a long time. The barriers to it are ethical/religious and such.

And the fact that we have no idea what traits are necessarily "the best" or what kind of crushing vulnerabilities we'll be giving people at the same time.

[liberlict]

And the fact that we have no idea what traits are necessarily "the best" or what kind of crushing vulnerabilities we'll be giving people at the same time.

'What traits are necessary' are value judgments, as far as I can tell. There's no way to predict ahead of time what people will want to select for. I can not think of a way anyway :D

[Jimmie Higgins]

...as years and generations go by, part of population will realize that they are in a situaition they do not like because they believe they are better than others.

Yes it is possible, just as it is possible for someone today to walk into Paris and say that God has appointed him as King of France. He can order people to bow before him, but passersby will just laugh and then move on.

No dounbt a future society would have it's own issues and dilemmas, but "classes" are not the result of capitalists or aristocrats just thinking that they are better than others - it's more the other way around: their privilaged position is then retroactivly justified by the explaination that they are somehow better and that's why they get to rule.