Newswire from Greece III [Archive]

KokkinoTsakali

16th May 2013, 22:35

As an update, I will post DEA's opinion on the issue, as it seems that all the syndicate factions made at least one mistake, and it's the only one I've read so far (except for the anarchists') that tries to make a critique on them.

Please, bear with my translation and any grammar mistakes:

1. The three-party government destroys public education. However, they have to face the majority of the workers and the society. To face the militant answer of the teachers, they have resorted to the civil mobilization, reaching the limits of political diversion. They know that their policies can only be applied in a anti-democratic way. This policy is felonious, concerns the whole society, and that's why it must be overthrown.

2. We salute the mobilization of the thousand teachers, who despite the civil mobilization, have participated massively in the general meetings of their primary unions (ELME) and with decisions of the overwhelming majority, supported the proposal for a lasting strike, crushing in practice the terrorism that the government attempted to impose. Their mobilization has exceeded any expectation and it forms the base for the continuation of the struggle.

3. In front of the critical question about the development of the strike -how can the civil mobilization be crushed- a central role was played by:

a) The syndicate solidarity. GSEE, ADEDY and the federations of the public sector, owed to proclaim a strike on May 17th, the first day of the teachers' strike. They didn't do so, though, retreating from the defence of the labor movement from the anti-democratic Government attack. The decision for a strike on Tuesday, May 14th, didn't defend this duty; it was just the alleby of the ADEDY syndicalist bureaucracy.

b) The political cover of the Left. The leaderships of the Left (SYRIZA-KKE) ought, clearly and from the beginning of this fight, to provide full political support to the struggle, while at the same time, to call the people to support the teachers. Instead of this, while SYRIZA's forces among the teachers supported the strike, centrally SYRIZA denied to take on the political responsibility of the full rapture. KKE has avoided the struggle as a whole by retreating in front of the social automation. ANTARSYA's forces have supported this fight, but on the critical point of the decision of either the suspension or the continuation of the strike against the civil mobilisation, they have had, and still do, an irresponsible attitude. On the one hand, by sharing the notion that OLME cannot break the civil mobilization, they didn't suggest the continuation of the strike (the suggestion of the syndicalist faction supported by ANTARSYA in OLME, for "500 syndicalists" that would keep on striking, is only symbolic and it evades the issue). On the other hand, they try to load the burden of the responsibility on the other factions of the Left, with the cost of creating the impression that everything is over and that the war is lost.

4. This strike has managed to mobilize thousands of teachers, to open the issue of education to society, to press the government politically. The war for the defence of the public school continues. The government stands in front of the massive majority of the teachers and the solidarity of the society. The need for the struggle against the dismissals, stays on. To construct a wide social front for defence of the public education and health. We keep on, extracting the necessary political deductions. The next fight is near.

Delenda Carthago

6th June 2013, 19:55

Construction workers and workers at the shipyards of Perama(two industries that have been heavily hited by the crisis and the unemployntment is enormous) demonstrated outside of the Labor Ministry asking for:

-Free medical and hospital care for all without terms and conditions
- Extraordinary "remedy" for all builders
- Reducing conditions for unemployment benefits for the duration of their unemployment
- Reduction of retirement age
- Remove the increase by two years the retirement age of builders
- Free transport to public transport with the card is unemployment
- Exemption from any hike, municipal fees and taxes
- To cover all applications in crèches and kindergartens and admitted all children, Greeks and immigrants, without terms and conditions and to abolish alimony.

The minister refused to meet them. Both syndicates are coiled in PAME.

Video and pictures here (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/19140/oikodomoi-kai-ergates-tis-zonis-diadilosan-exo-apo-ypoyrgeio-ergasias#/0).

Delenda Carthago

7th June 2013, 11:46

Workers at the super market "Extra", in Lavrio, Attika, are striking for 19 days now, asking for a dismissal to be withdrawn.

Tommorow they are having a demo in the town.

http://redflyplanet.blogspot.com/2013/06/19.html?showComment=1370601131554#c407734871006893 9327

Delenda Carthago

1st July 2013, 14:05

People's Commitee, the KKE's front on the neibourhoods, after a demonstration in the Tax Office of Pereus, stopped the confiscasion of an unemployed metalworker's house for his tax debts, of 4.000 euros.

Tomorrow, the PC has arranged to meet the local president of the Power Company(DEH) to demand the reconnect of the worker's power, since he lives without electricity for the last 7 months.

Photos can be found here.

http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21220/pagonei-i-katashesi-toy-spitioy-toy-anergoy-metallergati-meta-apo#/0

Delenda Carthago

2nd July 2013, 11:10

Antifa hiphop live in Friday.

http://autonomeantifa77.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/antifa-live.jpg?w=556&h=768

Delenda Carthago

2nd July 2013, 11:18

3 PAME members are facing court for militant action in Zakinthos island at Friday.

http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/20742/neo-dikastirio-syndikalistikon-stelehon-sti-zakyntho-stis-5-ioyli#.UdKb7hCTS8A.facebook

Delenda Carthago

3rd July 2013, 19:28

Α. Dimitris Koutsoumpas gave a speech at Nikea, a well known working class neibougrhood of Athens. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/politiki/21192/se-exelixi-i-omilia-toy-d-koytsoympa-sti-nikaia-foto-video)

B. In the island of Zakinthos, the local Party Base Organisation of KKE shared a leaflet against the canceling of Sunday's day off. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/topika-nea/21402/zakynthos-paremvasi-tis-kov-idiotikon-ypallilon-gia-tin-katargisi-tis)

C. Unions and syndicates of Eastern Attica organised a demonstration against the closure of hospitals in the area for the 23th of July. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ygeia/21419/syllalitirio-gia-tin-ygeia-apo-foreis-kai-somateia-tis-anat-attikis)

Delenda Carthago

4th July 2013, 10:43

A. Dimitris Koutsoumpas met with the syndicate of the workers on public television, ERT, which has been shut down by the government for 2 weeks now. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/politiki/21288/synantisi-toy-gg-tis-ke-toy-kke-dimitri-koytsoympa-me-tin-pospert-video-foto)

B.Tommorow starts the anti-imperialist 2 days camp of KNE at Souda, Crete, where the biggest NATO base on Greece locates. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/21159/kne-apo-tin-paraskeyi-sti-soyda-antiimperialistiko-diimero-foto#/0)

C. The People's Commitee of Menidi(poor neibourhood of Athens with a big gypsy camp) organised a solidarity demo for the workers of the closed bread company "Katselis". (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21431/laiki-epitropi-menidioy-maziki-sygkentrosi-allileggyis-gia-toys-ergates) The company closed, even though it was ver profitable and one of the monopolies in Greece, because its owner wanted to gather capital to invest in banking business.

Zukunftsmusik

4th July 2013, 11:43

Antifa hiphop live in Friday.

http://autonomeantifa77.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/antifa-live.jpg?w=556&h=768

There will be a solidarity hip hop concert/film show/presentation/discussion on the growth of nazism in Oslo next Tuesday arranged by Motmakt, a Norwegian "council socialist" organisation.

Delenda Carthago

4th July 2013, 14:22

There will be a solidarity hip hop concert/film show/presentation/discussion on the growth of nazism in Oslo next Tuesday arranged by Motmakt, a Norwegian "council socialist" organisation.
On the growth of nazism in Greece?

Zukunftsmusik

4th July 2013, 15:10

uh... yeah. woops. It will be held in Oslo, but the topic is the growth of nazism in Greece.

Delenda Carthago

5th July 2013, 09:19

A. The workers of Katselis bread corp. demonstrated in front of the Labour Ministry demanding that their factory will not close. PAME was on their side. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21484/dynamiki-sygkentrosi-ton-ergazomenon-ston-katseli)

B. A PAME syndicalist is being sued by the major of Peristeri(an area in Athens) for its syndicalist actions. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21421/dikazetai-simera-stelehos-toy-pame-meta-apo-minysi-tis-dimotikis-arhis)

C. PAME syndicates on the shiping demonstrated on the port of Pereus demanding from the NEL company(one of the country's shipping monopolies) the gambling debts to the ship workers. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21489/ta-taxika-naytergatika-somateia-gia-ta-hrostoymena-dedoyleymena-stoys)

Delenda Carthago

7th July 2013, 09:25

The video from the KNE antiimperialist demonstration against the NATO base in Souda,Crete.

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I wonder what the american tourists would think when they saw the Chania port being surrounded by communists! :lol:

Delenda Carthago

9th July 2013, 17:46

A. The KNE Base Organisation of A' Athens organises, within the framework of the campaign of KKE on unemployntment and low paid labor, a tour on some working places, to talk with the working youth there. These are: EVGA milk factory,at the cafeterias on Fokionos Negri str.(where many "trendy" cafeterias are), at many OAED(the state office for the unemployed), Hondos Center mall, and at the mall of Victoria square. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/21873/periodeies-apo-tis-organoseis-athinas-galatsioy-tis-kne)

B. KKE's members of Ikaria island municipality are being brought to court because they refused to obey the government's decision to privatise 4 beaches. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/topika-nea/21841/laiki-syspeirosi-ikarias-symvoyloi-syrontai-se-diki-giati-den)

C. The People's Commitee of Toumpa(an area in Thesaloniki) holds a assembly today to organise the struggle against the austerity. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/koinonia/21870/laiki-epitropi-toympas-simera-i-laiki-syneleysi-sto-parko-toy-ag-theraponta)

D. A big antifascist concert is being organised by PAME unions in Kalamata at the 14th of July. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21860/kalamata-megali-antifasistiki-synaylia-apo-somateia-ergazomenon)

Delenda Carthago

10th July 2013, 10:34

A. PAME made a solidarity demo outside of the factory of "FIMI PAK" where the workers are on strike demanding their gambling debts. PAME also gave 1 ton foods in solidarity to the workers. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21901/sygkentrosi-allileggyis-stoys-ergazomenoys-tis-fimi-pak-apo-pame-taxika#/0)

B. The teachers syndicate are having a demonstration outside of the Education Ministry as we speak. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/21926/syllalitirio-ekpaideytikon-sto-ypoyrgeio-paideias-stis-12-m-se-maziki)

C. Hotel employees are having a strike in Corfu today, reacting to the hard working conditions. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/21422/kerkyra-apergia-ton-xenodohoypallilon-simera-tetarti)

D. 54 students councils in colleges and universities that are coiled to MAS(KKE's front in universities and colleges) signed a petition against the Golden Dawn festival at the 4th of August(day that the Metaxas fascist dictatorship couped in 1936) in Kalamata. (http://www.spoudastes.gr/2013/07/%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%C F%83-54-%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%C F%89%CE%BD-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%83%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%B4%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%C E%B9%CE%BA-2/)

Delenda Carthago

10th July 2013, 18:00

Fuckin cops attacked a solidarity demo to the anarchist hunger striker Kostas Sakkas in Acropolis.

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ВАЛТЕР

11th July 2013, 13:03

Sasha

11th July 2013, 13:06

Kostas Sakkas to be released! (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/03/anarchist-prisoner-kostas-sakkas-on-hunger-strike-since-june-4-updates/)

Wednesday, July 3, 2013
Follow updates on Kostas’ struggle via our tag (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/tag/kostas-sakkas/).
Kostas Sakkas is an anarchist who was arrested in December 2010, one of the earliest in a wave of arrests targeting the “Conspiracy of Cells of Fire”. Both Sakkas and the CCF refuse he was ever a member, and Sakkas has separately taken the responsibility for his political activity as an anarchist. Held since, Sakkas’ initial pre-trial detention maximum expired eighteen months later, in the summer of 2012 -yet it was extended by another year, to June this year (ie. last month). At that time, a court of appeals in Athens ordered the extension of Sakkas’ detention by another six months, now solidly stepping outside the boundaries that the legal apparatus had set for its own self. On June 4, Kostas Sakkas went on a hunger strike.
Updates:
July 11

Kostas Sakkas to be released! (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/11/kostas-sakkas-is-released/)
Anarchists occupy the town hall of Heraklion, Crete in solidarity with Kostas Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/11/kostas-sakkas-is-released/)

http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/KostasSakkasBirds_0.jpg (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/KostasSakkasBirds_0.jpg)
July 10

Video: police attacks peaceful solidarity demo to Kostas Sakkas underneath the Acropolis (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/10/video-police-attacks-peaceful-solidarity-demo-to-kostas-sakkas-underneath-the-acropolis/)
Solidarity demo to Kostas Sakkas attacked by squads of the DELTA motorcycle police at the Acropolis (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/10/video-police-attacks-peaceful-solidarity-demo-to-kostas-sakkas-underneath-the-acropolis/)

July 9

Court of appeals decision on Kostas Sakkas expected on Thursday, July 11 (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/09/court-of-appeals-decision-on-kostas-sakkas-expected-on-thursday-july-11/)

July 8

Thessaloniki: anarchists occupy the theatre school in solidarity with K. Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/09/court-of-appeals-decision-on-kostas-sakkas-expected-on-thursday-july-11/)
Heraklion, Crete: anarchists occupy the offices of Greek tourism organization and the local department of tourism ministry in solidarity with K. Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/08/thessaloniki-anarchists-occupy-the-theatre-school-in-solidarity-with-k-sakkas/)
Düşler Tutsak Edilemez (you can’t imprison dreams): solidarity to Kostas Sakkas from Turkey (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/08/dusler-tutsak-edilemez-you-cant-imprison-dreams-solidarity-to-kostas-sakkas-from-turkey/)

July 7

They have names and faces: the name of the prosecutor who suggested that Sakkas continues to be detained is Ioannis Moraitakis (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/08/dusler-tutsak-edilemez-you-cant-imprison-dreams-solidarity-to-kostas-sakkas-from-turkey/)
Solidarity gathering for Kostas Sakkas, July 8 outside the Athens court of appeals in anticipation of the decision for his release (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/07/they-have-names-and-faces-the-name-of-the-prosecutor-who-suggested-that-sakkas-continues-to-be-detained-is-ioannis-moraitakis/)
Video about the case of Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/07/video-about-the-case-of-sakkas/)

July 5

More than 1,000 join motorcycle and hospital demonstration in solidarity with Kostas Sakkas, as he reaches his 32nd day on hunger strike (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/05/more-than-1000-join-motorcycle-and-hospital-demonstration-in-solidarity-with-kostas-sakkas-as-he-reaches-his-32nd-day-on-hunger-strike/)
Medical report on Kostas Sakkas, July 4, 2013 (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/05/more-than-1000-join-motorcycle-and-hospital-demonstration-in-solidarity-with-kostas-sakkas-as-he-reaches-his-32nd-day-on-hunger-strike/)

July 4

Moto-solidarity demo with Kostas Sakkas, Friday July 5, Propylea, Athens (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/05/medical-report-on-kostas-sakkas-july-4-2013/)

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Democracy facts (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/04/moto-solidarity-demo-with-kostas-sakkas-friday-july-5-propylea-athens/)
Athens: more than 6,000 march in solidarity with Kostas Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/06/29/athens-more-than-6000-march-in-solidarity-with-kostas-sakkas/)
Solidarity to the Anarchist hunger striker Kostas Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/06/28/solidarity-to-the-anarchist-hunger-striker-kostas-sakkas/)
“Accused of anarchy and terrorism” (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/06/26/accused-of-anarchy-and-terrorism/)
Anarchist Kostas Sakkas on hunger strike since June 4 (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/06/15/anarchist-kostas-sakkas-on-hunger-strike-since-june-4/)

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Kostas Sakkas to be released (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/11/kostas-sakkas-to-be-released/)

Thursday, July 11, 2013
Minutes ago, the court of appeals decided the release of Kostas Sakkas on a 30,000 euro bail.
UPDATE, 12.15 The bail conditions are as follows:
- Kostas is forbidden to exit the country.
- Once a week, he will have to sign off at his local police station.
- He must reside at his registered address.
- He is forbidden to travel outside the Attica prefecture (Greater Athens).
- He is not allowed to be in contact with any of the fellow accused for the CCF case.
- He must pay a 30.000 euro bail.

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Anarchists occupy the town hall of Heraklion, Crete in solidarity with Kostas Sakkas (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/11/anarchists-occupy-the-town-hall-of-heraklion-crete-in-solidarity-with-kostas-sakkas/)

Thursday, July 11, 2013
http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dscn0839-500x375.jpg (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dscn0839.jpg)
In the early hours of July 11th, anarchists occupied the town hall of Heraklion, in Crete, using it as a counter-information point to inform about Sakkas’ case. The verdict on Sakkas’ release is expected later in the day.

Sasha

11th July 2013, 13:07

Skouries, Chalkidiki: two locals in pre-trial detention as tension in the village sky-rockets, once again (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/10/skouries-chalkidiki-two-locals-in-pre-trial-detention-as-tension-in-the-village-sky-rockets-once-again/)

Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Follow our Skouries Struggle (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/tag/skouries-struggle/) for background to the case and for updates.
Today, another two residents of the village of Skouries (which has been resisting gold extraction in the area) were ordered in pre-trial detention as suspects for the arson against the gold extraction machinery that had taken place in February this year. This now brings the number of locals in pre-trial detention up to four.
While the police were taking one of the locals away, his 17-year old son tried to grab him back, only to be snatched by the police as well. The video below is of the father of the person detained (and grandfather of the 17-year old) being hit by the police, moments later:
Meanwhile, back in the village of Skouries and in Megali Panagia, tension is out of control with the locals having barricaded all entrances to the villages, while the Riot Police attack with tear gas.

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Sasha

11th July 2013, 13:07

Ilioupoli, Athens: Golden Dawn gang on motorbike attacks social space (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/10/ilioupoli-athens-golden-dawn-gang-on-motorbike-attacks-social-space/)

Wednesday, July 10, 2013
greek original (https://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1481573)
This evening, a gang of 25-30 motorbikes (allegedly led by the Golden Dawn MP, Lagos) drove through the Athens suburb of Ilioupoli, also passing in front of the local police station – and accompanied, at parts, by two local policemen. The gang approached the free social space Synergeio (http://synergeio-ekx.gr/), smashed the front and caused damage inside, while also lightly injuring three people in total.

Delenda Carthago

11th July 2013, 14:26

Can you give us a translation as to what they are chanting please?
1. Throw the NATO out, all the basis to go, no participation at NATO wars.

2.(After the thing with the rocks throwing) 9 decades struggle and sacrifises, KKE on the vanguard.

3. (At the port) No fear, no surrender, with KKE for the overthrow.

bcbm

11th July 2013, 14:58

greece at the boiling point (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/opinion/global/greece-at-the-boiling-point.html?_r=1&)

Delenda Carthago

11th July 2013, 15:41

All in the demonstration of PAME like one fist! JULY 11, AT 20.00, SYNTAGMA Sq.

on 08 July 2013. Posted in Announcements (http://www.pamehellas.gr/index.php/en/announcements)
Fellow workers, unemployed, dismissed people, youth
All in the demonstration of PAME like one fist!

THURSDAY JULY 11, AT 20.00, SYNTAGMA Sq.
You must not listen to the lies of the industrialists, the bankers, their government and of their people for the “development”. They create this development over the ruins of our rights. They will not starve, they will not see their houses being confiscated, and they will not find themselves unemployed. They live in incredible wealth and luxury and they bring new wave of barbarism in the lives of workers.
The government of N.D. (conservatives) - PASOK (social democrats), the E.U. and the IMF bring in the midsummer a new bill for the implementation of the antipopular policy in favor of the big business.

They discuss the new measures primarily aiming at giving a new hit in the sectoral wages, benefits, pensions in order to be reduced at the level of the minimum wage and the minimum wage to be further reduced.
They discuss and promote the abolition of the five days working week, the flexible 10-hour working day, the full implementation of the flexibility in the working time and the abolition of overtime payment.
They discuss to release dismissals so that massive dismissals to be allowed, further reduction, to elimination of compensations!
They discuss the abolition of the Sunday as a day off!
They prepare new chains for the trade union activity, new laws so that the employers will terrorize through lockout, i.e. to dismiss the strikers without compensation, removing the right to strike. They prepare new legislation that will prevent even the decision to strike.

All these show not their power and their superiority, but their fear. They advertise to the notorious “investors” that the workers that will work for them will not only be cheap, but they will also be enchained and gagged. This is what they mean when they say “favorable investment environment”. This is what the new Greece of the coalition government means, new Manolada sweat shops for the working class and its children.
The bill comes to promote thousands of dismissals of public employees in education (http://www.pamehellas.gr/index.php/en/announcements/2754-all-together-in-the-demonstration-of-pame-like-one-fist-july-11-at-20-00-syntagma-sq#), in Municipalities and to legalize the planning for the closure of hospitals, health centers, schools, day nurseries.
The pensions and the basic medical care are in imminent danger of new cuts. At the same time that they reduce the electricity price to the industrialists and give them new tax-exemptions and money (http://www.pamehellas.gr/index.php/en/announcements/2754-all-together-in-the-demonstration-of-pame-like-one-fist-july-11-at-20-00-syntagma-sq#) through several programs, they attack the workers through new taxes and house confiscations for a pittance.
Dear colleagues,
Through our demonstration we send the message of organization, preparation, solidarity, class-oriented response.
They rely on fatalism that they themselves create. You must not listen to the parrots of the big employers. They are well paid for their dirty work.
They rely on the parties of the E.U. that terrorize with false dilemmas. They rely on the treasonous leaderships of the trade unions who signed the butchering of wages, the abolition of collective contracts by ministerial decree.
But we are the vast majority who suffer and we have not said our last word yet. We break the fear; we are preparing ourselves for the overthrow of the antipopular policy and of the antipopular - antilabor laws.

Job for all.
Day wages, salaries and pensions based on our own needs. No to the demolition of the Collective Labor Contracts.
Stable working time of 5days per week – 7 hours per day – 35 hours per week, with the abolition of the flexible forms of employment. No to the abolition of the Sunday as a day off.
Down with the taxes.
Disengagement from the E.U.
Development for the people and not for the profitability of the business groups.

AcI_l22suMY

Delenda Carthago

16th July 2013, 19:00

Press release for the strike of the 16th of July

The Executive Secretariat of PAME salutes the thousands of workers who took part in the strike against all the difficulties and the obstacles they met. They rallied with PAME all over Greece, massively and militantly.
This strike proves that there is an important part of the Greek working class that does not submit to the threats of the government and the troika.
Today's strike was systematically undermined since its declaration. The employers' trade union leaderships that called for strike did not want this to turn into militancy within the workplaces, nor to organise the workers' struggle against the employers.
The situation points to specific conclusions
The workers must turn their indignation into organised action within the workplaces, the popular neighbourhoods.
The workers must turn their backs to the employers' trade unionism -such as the leaderships of GSEE-ADEDY in Greece-.
The forces of PAME did their best, against all odds, for the success of the strike. Without the efforts of PAME the situation would have been much worse.
The offensive of the capital against the working class will continue with new laws in favour of the monopolies. To stop the measures, old and new, we need organization and action in the workplaces with strengthening of PAME. With common action with the popular strata, to create the conditions so as to overthrow the measures, and also for massive counter attack.

pictures from the demo. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/22382/synehis-enimerosi-se-exelixi-i-apergiaki-sygkentrosi-toy-pame-stin#/0)

Sasha

16th July 2013, 19:42

Approximately 10-15,000 attend general strike in Athens in one of the smallest gatherings in years Tuesday, July 16, 2013

The two mainstream trade unions (GSEE-ADEDY) continued their conscious attempt to devalue and discredit general strikes today – calling for one only now, months after the new measures had been announced, and in the middle of the summer. Approximately 15,000 attended in total in Athens, between the three main blocks (GSEE-ADEDY, the stalinist PAME and the grassroots trade unions).

Fred

16th July 2013, 20:53

Delenda Carthago

18th July 2013, 09:10

A. KNE organises a two day fest in a working class town of Chalkidiki for the young people. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/22452/halkida-xekina-simera-diimero-ekdiloseon-tis-kne-stin-ergatiki-synoikia)

B. KKE's GS, Dimitris Koutsoumpas speaks today at Mitilini island. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/politiki/22330/sti-mytilini-tin-pempti-o-gg-tis-ke-toy-kke-dimitris-koytsoympas)

C. Area Organisation of Central Macedonia of KKE organises a manifestation for greek and migrants workers. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/politiki/22475/ko-kentrikis-makedonias-toy-kke-ekdilosi-simera-gia-ellines-kai-metanastes)

Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'

18th July 2013, 12:34

(BBC News)

A security cordon has been thrown around the Greek capital for a visit by the German finance minister, a leading proponent of austerity.
Wolfgang Schaeuble arrived hours after a bill scraped through parliament that will see thousands of public sector workers lose their jobs.
The bill is tied to new bailout loans worth 6.8bn euros (£5.8bn), needed to keep the Greek government afloat.
In central Athens, protests have been banned and metro stations closed.
The moves follow protests of up to 5,000 outside the Greek parliament during Thursday's vote, and a recent series of strikes against the latest cuts.
But Mr Schaeuble insisted there was "no way around structural and fiscal reforms... There is no convenient shortcut," the Associated Press reported.
The coalition government led by conservative Prime Minister Antonis Samaras agrees it has no choice but to enforce further painful adjustment.
Thursday's ban on protests prohibits more than three people from holding banners and shouting slogans, and will be in force from 09:00 to 20:00 local time (06:00 to 17:00 GMT), reports said.
It was described by Greece's main left-wing opposition party, Syriza, as "fascist and undemocratic".
Mr Schaeuble is meeting Mr Samaras and other Greek officials on his first visit to Greece since the debt crisis exploded in 2009.

Sasha

18th July 2013, 12:38

Athens prepares to greet Wolfgang Schäuble as authorities order blanket demonstration ban (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/17/athens-prepares-to-greet-wolfgang-schauble-as-authorities-order-blanket-demonstration-ban/)

Wednesday, July 17, 2013
On July 18, the german finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, is set to visit Athens. The greek authorities have imposed a blanket ban of all demonstrations in central Athens, the entire Attica Road highway leading to the Athens airport and the airport itself.
In response, a call is made for people to gather at Klathmonos square tomorrow (18.07) at 18:30, to break the demonstration ban and to demonstrate against Schäuble’s presence.
As announced, the metro stations of Syntagma and Euagelismos will be shut from 9.30 am. The stations Katehaki and Megaro Mousikis will be shut from 9.30 am to 12.30pm and then again from 6pm to midnight.
Tram routes will not reach Syntagma as of 9.30 am.
More information as it comes.

Delenda Carthago

22nd July 2013, 13:49

A. PAME organises demos in many towns and cities for the defence of the Sunday holiday. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/22623/sygkentroseis-stin-athina-ki-alles-poleis-stis-23-ioyli-gia-tin)

The spot.
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B. KKE's demo against Golden Dawn in Kalamata(known city for its far right tradition). (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/politiki/22811/kalamata-dimitris-arvanitakis-anepithymiti-i-hrysi-aygi-s-ayta-ta-homata-foto#/0)

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C. The syndicate of construction workers(coiled in PAME) did an intervention on a DOY(tax office) against the confiscation of a construction workers house for debts. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/22737/kinitopoiisi-simera-enantia-ston-pleistiriasmo-spitioy-laikis-oikogeneias#/0)

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D. PAME filed a lawsuit against the bosses in Manolada strawberry fields, known for the bad conditions of labor that many immigrants are working, with the highlight of the shooting of the workers that asked for their money. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/22847/pame-katathetei-minysi-kata-ton-ergodoton-poy-exathlionoyn-toys-ergates)

PhoenixAsh

22nd July 2013, 23:21

Polls show Golden Dawn is now the 2nd most popular party among younger and middle aged voters (14% and 16%) after Syriza. KKE is trailing with half that in the youngest voter group (8%) and a third of this (5%) in the group 30+

What is interesting, and worrying, to observe....is that a demographic breakdown shows an increase in support for the GD from the middle class. This expansion is classic for a maturing fascist party and shows that violent nationalism and fascism is becoming more acceptable and mainstream in society. What is also worrying, but again not surprising, is that the new GD voters come from both left and right of the political spectrum.

There is a large and consistent number of voters in all age groups who will not vote...being either completely disillusioned with politics or still "floating"....it stands at roughly 12-13% for all age groups.

ND is most popular...unsurprisingly....with the older voters. And Syriza is still the most popular party overall. From what I can see and read Pasok is still losing popularity.

Overall there is no way for a left wing coalition in parliament.... and currently no indication at all that society is moving towards any form of leftwing revolution.

Sasha

22nd July 2013, 23:34

Thousands demonstrate against Golden Dawn in Kalamata, in the largest local demonstration in years (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/21/thousands-demonstrate-against-golden-dawn-in-kalamata-in-the-largest-local-demonstration-in-years/)

Sunday, July 21, 2013
The city of Kalamata had been chosen by Golden Dawn as the setting for its first open festival, on August 3-4 this year. Even though the festival itself appears to be cancelled (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/19/first-ever-golden-dawn-festival-is-cancelled/), thousands of anti-fascists from the city, the region and across the country met in the city on July 20 to demonstrate against fascism. At the same time when the anti-fascists were taking over the streets of the city, approximately 50 Golden Dawn members were stuck in their local office, protected by the riot police.

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Sasha

22nd July 2013, 23:36

Exarcheia, July 20: Police thugs start a riot attacking people with glass bottles, flares & flash-bang grenades (video) (http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2013/07/22/exarcheia-july-20-police-thugs-start-a-riot-attacking-people-with-glass-bottles-flares-flash-bang-grenades-video/)

Monday, July 22, 2013
On Saturday July 20, 2013 “Delta” police thugs entered “Exarhia”, one of the most vibrant areas of Athens, while hundreds of people were attending two different solidarity events to anarchist Kostas Sakkas, who was on hunger strike for 38 days because he was imprisoned in the self-proclaimed “democracy” of Greece for 31 months without a trial.
As depicted in the video, the “Delta” police thugs on bikes begun to intimidate and chase passers- by for no reason and when people begun to gather reacting to their terrorist tactics, the policemen threw against them flash-bang grenades, asphyxiating gas grenades, flares and even empty glass bottles!
Hundreds of people gathered at the spot to chase them away and begun to circle them, while residents from their balconies above were throwing water towards the police thugs to force them to leave, following the havoc they caused.
Confronted by so many people, the Delta police thugs, along with a riot police brigade that was called to assist them, were soon forced to retreat and leave the area.

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Delenda Carthago

23rd July 2013, 16:05

Le Socialiste

23rd July 2013, 23:11

Athens mayor vows to stop another Golden Dawn food handout on Friday

Athens Mayor Giorgos Kaminis looks set for another confrontation with far-right Golden Dawn after he said he would prevent the party handing out free food in Attikis Square, near the city center, on Friday afternoon.

The handout, open only to Greek citizens, is due to take place at 6 p.m. but Kaminis issued a statement saying that Golden Dawn did not have permission from the City of Athens to hold the event, which he said “consciously promotes racism and xenophobia.”

Sources said that Kaminis spoke to Public Order Minister Nikos Dendias about Golden Dawn’s plans and received assurances that the police would not allow the handout to take place.

The mayor prevented Golden Dawn from holding a similar event in Syntagma Square in May and the party was forced to hand out food in front of its headquarters.

On that day, Golden Dawn MP Giorgos Germenis attempted to punch Kaminis and hit a 12-year-old girl instead. Parliament voted earlier this month to lift Germenis’s immunity so he could be charged.

Golden Dawn insisted that its plans for a handout were “100 percent legal” as it had informed authorities and that it would go ahead with the event. The party said that all its MPs and leader, Nikos Michaloliakos, would be at the event.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_23/07/2013_510873

PhoenixAsh

24th July 2013, 00:30

And still KNE is more massive and active than both of these youths.

Well that is awesome.

And as soon as they can vote they can vote the KKE into more seats.

But until that time....or until the KKE/PAME/KNE suddenly decides to start a revolution in the near future...

...the current reality is that the fascists are growing in support base and gaining more acceptability expanding their influence in the countries legislature and among the electorate. At the same time the KKE fails to do the same, as it has done in the past months, and has even failed to regain the loss in support they endured during the last election.

Now I am very sure they are very active in strikes and workers mobilisation. But currently it doesn't really translate in tangeable change in the countries status quo. Nor does it seem to be able to translate their views into something that is appealing to a huge number of people.

Delenda Carthago

24th July 2013, 06:41

I totaly disagree, but that is a newswire so lets keep it straight news.

Sasha

25th July 2013, 12:07

Patras: anti-fascists clash with the fascists of Golden Dawn; police detain 25 anti-fascists in retaliation Thursday, July 25, 2013 On the evening of July 24, local Golden Dawn members had called for and attempted to hold a gathering at the square outside stadium of Panahaiki (a local football team). Just prior to the gathering, approximately 50 anti-fascists were pushed back by the riot police guarding the square on behalf of the Golden Dawn nazis.

Later on, at approximately 11pm, car with GD members drove past Olgas square, a popular anarchist/anti-fascist hang-out. It was swiftly attacked by the anti-fascists and members of the police’s DELTA squad attacked them in retaliation.

Approximately 25 anti-fascists were detained by the police and some were subsequently tortured at the police HQ. At least two anti-fascists who had been seriously injured had request to see a doctor rejected for hours.

At approximately 02:40, all 25 anti-fascists were finally released.

Delenda Carthago

6th September 2013, 18:23

1. MAS(the student front of KKE) did a demonstration demanding the turning of "La Mirage" hotel to a students konvikt. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/25635/se-exelixi-i-kinitopoiisi-toy-mas-gia-dorean-stegasi-ton-foititon-foto#/0)

2. Larisa's Labour Center(coiled in PAME) did a demonstration on OAED(the unemployntment agency) offices demanding the taking of measures to protect the unemployed. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/26010/larisa-kinitopoiisi-toy-ergatikoy-kentroy-ston-oaed-gia-amesa-metra)

3. Tommorow is the big annual demonstration in Thesaloniki outside of the International Thessaloniki Fair.

Delenda Carthago

10th September 2013, 10:45

1. large labour demonstration against the anti-people political line and the war in Thesaloniki. (http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/A-large-labour-demonstration-against-the-anti-people-political-line-and-the-war/)

2. PAME organises today demonstrations in Athens and 23 more towns against the new cuts in Education. (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/25848/pame-syllalitirio-stis-10-septemvri-gia-tin-paideia)

3. Workers of LARKO industry demonstrated against the privatasation of the company and the announced job cuts. (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/26292/ergazomenoi-tis-larko-sygkentrosi-diamartyrias-ayti-tin-ora-sto-kentro#/0)

brigadista

10th September 2013, 13:19

thanks to Greek comrades for updates - FYI i read them all!![if in english]

Delenda Carthago

15th September 2013, 13:49

1. PAME organised a demonstration on the issue of LARKO today. (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/26639/maziko-kai-dynamiko-syllalitirio-toy-pame-gia-ti-larko-foto-video#/0)

2. KNE Fest travels throughout Greece. It has started in many towns in Greece already, I m posting from Greece's 2nd and 3rd biggest(in Athens it starts at the 19th of the month)

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Dimitris Koutsoumpas speech in Thesaloniki, yesterday night.
(you can see the crowd in 1.21)

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD222lsJ0MuEEfETDq3Y91Jddz8QmcE L5ttF-fpicO9NCHYdIK
Patras

Delenda Carthago

15th September 2013, 19:08

1. KNE gathered foods, clothing and school supplies for families that needed it in Zografou, Athens. (http://902.gr/eidisi/festival-kne-odigiti/26736/zografoy-megali-antapokrisi-stin-ekdilosi-allileggyis-tis-kne-foto#/0)

2.Tommorow 3 sectors are on strike: school and high school teachers, small bussineses, and public sector workers.

Delenda Carthago

20th September 2013, 03:13

The translation of the Koutsoumpas speech I posted above. The underline is mine.

The events of the 39th Festival of KNE-Odigitis are coming to a climax this week in Athens (19-21/9), after dozens of political and cultural meetings that have taken place in the major cities of Greece. On the evening of Saturday 14/9, the speech of the GS of the CC of the KKE, Dimitris Koutsoumpas, was held at a large rally of thousands of youth and people of all ages, which was the climax of the events of the39th Festival of KNE-ODIGITIS in Thessalonica.

D. Koutsoumpas said amongst other things: “Tonight, through the slogan-call of the Festival “Change the world, it needs it” the worries, concerns, the problems of the young generation are meeting here with the revolutionary radical proposal of the KKE, with the socialist perspective. For precisely this reason the Festival, for all the years that have passed in about 4 decades is always able to be timely, because the political proposal of the KKE is timely and necessary, because socialism is timely and necessary. The need for the young people to join this cause is even more timely and necessary.”

The GS of the CC of the KKE made a detailed reference of the problems the young generation is experiencing, stressing amongst other things that
“There is no anti-people measure, there is no decision and direction which does not target the youth, the children of the working class and popular families, the young workers and employees”

and underlined that
“today there is a lot more evidence for the people and youth that the capitalist system of exploitation can not be humanized, can not be improved. Nor can there be a return to a previous era of the system’s management with the “social state” as some imagine- when there was a relatively better standard of living, a long way behind of course the real contemporary needs then.
Today the outbreak of the capitalist crisis, which is continuing and no one can predetermine its development, highlights the historical and outdated boundaries of a system which has decayed and must be overthrown.”
D. Koutsoumpas noted that
“Greece has potential, serious development potential. It has concentrated means of production, large enterprises, an experienced labour force, scientific and technical personnel, it has mineral wealth and natural resources, it can proceed along another development path and satisfy the contemporary needs of the people.”

He called on the people to reject the plans for another allegedly “better” management of capitalism, which is being promoted by other political forces, such as SYRIZA, which as he said “is developing into a well-known from the recent past old-PASOK type social-democracy, into an authentic representative of the interests of sections of the plutocracy.’
The GS of the CC of the KKE called on the people to “chart their own independent path, to not go under the flag of the greedy capital and its political servants. To raise their own flag for the unilateral cancellation of the debt, disengagement from the EU, socialization of the monopolies. Working class and people’s power. Another social and state organization and formation, radically different and far removed from the crises and wars. To raise the banners that say: Our future is not capitalism, it is the new world socialism.”
He noted that the “rupture, the organized confrontation against the monopolies and the capitalist system, their state and power, the capitalist employers in the workplaces, the imperialist organizations – the EU and NATO- constitutes the contemporary content of the struggle for radical changes and overthrows.
All the other paths are dead-ends, they keep the people in the lions’ den. Governments which operate inside the framework of the EU and the capitalist system, even if they are baptized “left”, “progressive”, “anti-memorandum”, “saviours” are not genuine. They will be “fake” in other words. The only thing that will change will be the manager who will regularly send the people to miserable situations…”
In reference to the Nazi formation, he noted that it is the ‘filth of the system that is reflected in the black face of the Nazi Golden Dawn.
Their mafia-style and cowardly attack in Perama against members and cadres of the KKE, against workers and trade unionists of the shipyards, confirms what is already well-known. That the members of Golden Dawn are the stooges, organs, guard dogs of the big bosses. It is they -ship-owners and large contractors- who for years have targeted the class-oriented trade unions of the shipyards and PAME. They are nourishing the members of Golden Dawn, in Perama and elsewhere. So that they can create attack squads, not only against immigrants, but also against workers, the labour-people’s movement, the struggle of the people.” The GS of the CC of the KKE called on the people and the youth in order to isolate the fascists in every workplace school, neighbourhood, place where the youth gather.
D. Koutsoumpas referred to the possibility of a new imperialist war and the possible involvement of Greece in a generalized war. He noted that “there must be no complacency regarding the US-Russia agreement for the control of the chemical weapons. The pretexts of the attack continue to exist, as the very sharp competition continues to exist over the control of the energy resources and the transport routes which lead to military conflicts.
The saying that “war is the continuation of politics by other means” is completely true. When the system, the ruling class can not in any other way serve its predatory interests, it resorts to open war. And this has been proved by history many times.
We should not forget that before the two World Wars there were serious capitalist crises which had a global character.
The parties that adopt the various provocational plans and pretexts and ‘play’ sometimes with the option of an imperialist war, and other times with the option of the imperialist peace, which is the other side of the coin, must be condemned.
The participation of the Greek governments in these plans serves the interests of Greek capital in order to acquire a share in the division of the markets, from the robbery at the expense of the peoples.”
The GS of the CC of the KKE presented basic features of the political proposal of the KKE, stressing that the reason that the socialist societies in the USSR and in the other countries did not endure, was because “unfortunately, socialism started to solve its own problems with the outdated recipes of capitalism and the notorious “market”.”
He called on the youth “to support the political proposal of the communists, strengthening the KKE and KNE, the people’s alliance in order to free the country and the workers from capitalist ownership. From the parasites and the exploiters” stressing that “socialism is more timely and necessary than ever.”

Delenda Carthago

24th September 2013, 15:20

The situation is very intense here, I ll try to sum it up as much as I can.

1. Public sector workers are on strike and its gon be for the next week. Demos througout Greece. (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/27310/se-apergiako-kloio-i-antilaiki-politiki-48ori-apo-simera-sto-dimosio-foto#/0)

2. There is a big demo and concert being called by students syndicates tommorow for Pavlos Fissas. Demonstrations will also happen to other towns. In Thesaloniki PAME hanged a giant poster on the town's biggest monument calling for the demo. (http://902.gr/eidisi/politiki/27425/thessaloniki-paremvasi-apo-ergatika-somateia-kai-foititikoys-syllogoys-gia-tin#/0)

3. General strike has been called by GSEE after PAME proposal for the 5th of Octomber.

4. 3 KNE members were arrested and sued for giving away leaflets of the organisation on a school. (http://902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/27448/kataggelia-toy-sp-attikis-tis-kne-gia-tin-aparadekti-minysi-eis-varos)

5. PAME syndicalists were arrested after a small fistfight they had with cops on a demo against the firing of a female worker of Carrefour. (http://eviazoom.blogspot.gr/2013/09/flevaris-astinomiaxilo.html)

6. There were the elections and conference on the syndicate of Metal Workers. PAME raised its percentage. What is interesting though, is the damage that every other power other than PAME is doing to the workers movement. Compare the two photos that you will find here (http://eviazoom.blogspot.gr/2013/09/flevaris-astinomiaxilo.html). On the photo on the uper side of the website, is everyone that attended the conference. The second photo, on the down side, is what happened when the PAME syndicalists left. What is left is PASOK, ND, SYRIZA and ANTARSYA syndicalists and a forest of empty chairs.

That is the kind of syndicalist movement all these forces want. Massless, weak, not being albe to serve the needs of working class. They are all the same. The struggle is for the working class in Greece to turn their backs on them and join the class oriented syndicalist movement.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG3MafuoDZU)

cyu

25th September 2013, 19:47

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/09/24/alexis-tsipras-at-the-kreisky-forum-vienna-the-complete-speechaddress-to-austrian-social-democrats/

Alexis Tsipras (SYRIZA’s chair) gave a talk in Vienna.

Oskar Lafontaine quit in 1999 and left the field open to Gerhard Schroeder, who later pursued his supply-side reforms. Today, the SPD is just another conservative supply side party, where the differences with the CDU are no longer about fundamental issues.

Just like Hoover, in the late 20´s and 30´s, European conservative and social democratic governments insisted that un-payable debts must be still be paid. But how? With new debts.

It was in this way that bankrupt Greece ended up, in May 2010, accepting the largest loan in human history.

They made us take the largest loan in history from you. But none of that benefitted our people. It was all a cynical ploy to transfer losses from the northern banks’ books to your shoulders.

Delenda Carthago

27th September 2013, 12:35

1. MAS and SASA(university and schools students front) organised a massive antifascist demonstration in Syntagma 2 days ago. Videos here (http://leninreloaded.blogspot.gr/2013/09/blog-post_9714.html).

2. MAS organised antfascist conserts in two towns in Greece(Xanthi and Rethimno).

3. 2 picket lines in Thesaloniki will be thrown against GD by KKE in 1 and 2 of Octomber.

Delenda Carthago

1st October 2013, 14:38

Something interesting: GD has completely vanished. In the whole proccess, its only a 100 people tops that have stood in solidarity with their party leaders. That tells a lot. They even delete their facebook accounts!

Seriously, this is pathetic.
http://images.watchit.gr/?h=398&w=600&src=http://www.newsit.gr/files/Image/2013/10/01/ANAKRITIS/evelpidon1.jpg

This is outside the courts when the arrested went to see the DA. There are more GD voters in cops uniforms than in civilian clothing.

So much for the hardcore nationalist warriors.:laugh:

Smith's Dream

5th October 2013, 09:42

Are you concerned that other Golden Dawn supporters may be staying out of the spotlight because they feel this crackdown proves above-ground organising is no longer the correct approach? Perhaps they could be more dangerous underground?

Hrafn

5th October 2013, 10:21

I wonder how many Nazis would've deleted their accounts if Facebook had existed at the time of the Beer Hall Putsch.

Delenda Carthago

13th October 2013, 10:30

A.
General Strike on November 6 on 11 October 2013. Posted in Press Releases (http://www.pamehellas.gr/index.php/en/press-releases)
PAME calls upon the Regional Trade union centers, the federations, the trade unions, the trade union committees in workplaces to General Strike on November 6.
In order for the government to receive a massive response by the organized struggle of the workers and the popular strata.
So that, the government and the business groups will not have the opportunity to demolish every labor right that is left.

B. The 7th Art Festival on the dockyards of Perama is going on. It is an initiative of artists(that go from painters to theatre, to music, to instalations ) that are around KKE to connect art with working class. Photos from the second day of the exibition here (http://902.gr/eidisi/politiki/28966/synehizontai-me-epityhia-oi-ekdiloseis-tis-eikastikis-ekthesis-sti#/0).

ВАЛТЕР

26th October 2013, 14:53

Strike at the Coca-Cola factory in Thessaloniki

http://www.pamehellas.gr/index.php/en/activities/greece/3022-strike-of-the-workers-in-coca-cola-3e-in-thessaloniki,-greece

Delenda Carthago

29th October 2013, 02:17

A. 9 arrested KNE members today. 5 in Pirgos, 4 in Korinthos with the accuse of "litering", for posting antifascist posters.

B. People's Allience organised a gathering in Athens in honour to the fallen EAM-ELAS(the greek People's Front) on the antifascist struggle during the Nazi Occupation. Photos and video here (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/29757/agonistikos-giortasmos-tis-28is-oktovri-apo-laikes-epitropes-peaea-dse#/0).

Delenda Carthago

31st October 2013, 23:33

A. 2 Syndicalists of PAME on the dockyards got 5 months jail time for their syndicalist action.

B. The technical high schools organised a demonstration to the Education Ministry. Video can be found here (http://redflyplanet.blogspot.com/2013/10/blog-post_4068.html#comment-form).

C. The workers of Coca Cola still on strike. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/30319/synehizoyn-tin-apergia-oi-ergazomenoi-tis-coca-cola-sti-thessaloniki)

D. The big 24hour general strike is coming on the 6th of the month...

p0is0n

1st November 2013, 20:22

As some of you may be aware, two associates of the Golden Dawn thought to be guarding the Golden Dawn offices were shot and killed earlier today.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/01/us-greece-shooting-idUSBRE9A00WC20131101?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

I was hoping our greek comrades might be able to give us some insight into this. Were the victims actually members of the Golden Dawn, if so, were they killed by a leftist organization, or perhaps some other organization? Who is thought to be responsible?

Delenda Carthago

3rd November 2013, 17:47

A. The 10 days strike at Atermon Inc.(a company that works on energy) for the debts the company had to their workers was a win for them. (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/30498/atermon-nikifora-i-dekaimeri-apergia)

Do I need to say where does the union is coiled to?;)

B. PAME begun its fourth blood bank campaign to help the people from the working class and popular strata. Photos here (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/29962/enishyoyme-tin-trapeza-aimatos-toy-pame-foto#/0).

C. The Capital is trying to make the Sundays a working day. That would be something that would hit both the working class that will have to work on Sundays and also the small shops that wont be able to keep up with the monopolies. Today it was the first Sunday of that new law. There was a strike against it. Photos and videos from the demo in Athens can be found here (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/30474/athina-mahitiki-poreia-enantia-stin-katargisi-tis-kyriakis-argias-video#/0).

Delenda Carthago

7th November 2013, 12:29

A. Yesterday the general strike demonstration happened under heavy rain. This made GSEE to cancel the demo. PAME on the other hand had a pretty massive one. Photos and videos here (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/30678/dynamikes-mazikes-apergiakes-kinitopoiiseis-se-athina-peiraia-kai-dekades).

B. Riot police raided the Public TV&Radio building that was occupied by its workers after the shut down by the government. A demonstration is organised for 4 in the afternoon.

C. Workers at the cold cuts facroty of Nikas are going on strike, after 3 of them were fired. Photos here (http://902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/30748/treis-apolyseis-stin-etaireia-nikas-apergia-apo-toys-ergazomenoys-video#/0).

Delenda Carthago

19th November 2013, 11:45

40th anniversary of the Polytechnic uprising

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Mass demonstrations took place in Athens and in many other Greek cities on 17th November in order to honour the 40th anniversary of the uprising of the students and the working people of Athens against the military junta in November 1973.
A huge march was held in Athens which started from the building of Polytechnic University, passed through the central streets of Athens and ended at the US embassy.
The contingents of KNE and the KKE, that yesterday completed 95 years of ceaseless struggle for the cause of the working class, were militant and mass.
As the relevant Statement of the PB of the CC of the KKE on the 40 years since the Polytechnic uprising stressed, “the heroic uprising of the people and the youth in the Polytechnic University in November 1973 continues to fire up the hearts of all those who cannot tolerate injustice, the barbarity that the political line and the power that serves the monopolies , the EU and their parties bring to the people and the youth.
It is a symbol for the people’s uprising against the military dictatorship, highlighting the deeper causes for its imposition with slogans against NATO and the military bases of the USA in Greece”.
The statement notes amongst other that: “40 years after the Polytechnic uprising in 1973 the KKE continues the struggle so that the people and the youth will come dynamically to the fore, so that they build a strong people’s movement with an anti- capitalist anti-monopoly political line in order to get rid of poverty, oppression and the torments of the crisis. The way for the emancipation of the people can be paved with a strong KKE, on which the people can rely on, with the self-sacrifice of the communists, with their contribution and their vanguard activity, as they have always done throughout the history of the people’s movement.
These are the preconditions in order to deal with the fatalism which is fostered by the system, in order for the people’s organization to be consolidated on the basis of the experience in order to be victorious. Today, despite the difficulties brought about by the overthrow of socialism, socialism is more timely and necessary than ever. It comes to the fore due to the major contradiction of the capitalist system, which already exists and will grow stronger, i.e. the contradiction between the millions of working people that produce the wealth on the one hand and the monopolies, the capitalist ownership on the other that appropriates the wealth and smashes the people’s needs, values and lives. Socialism is the only solution for the crises, the wars and the barbarity that the Greek people and the youth are experiencing”.
Video from the march of the KKE and KNE through the streets of Athens.

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EverythingNothing

19th November 2013, 16:40

Greek comrades,I remember reading an article about a neighborhood in Athens which is under Anarchist control,can you enlighten me about this?

Sasha

19th November 2013, 16:54

Greek comrades,I remember reading an article about a neighborhood in Athens which is under Anarchist control,can you enlighten me about this?

i wouldnt say its "under anarchist control" as the cops reguarly make incursions to show their strength but exarcheia is an anrachist stronghold and i assume the neighborhood you are refering too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarcheia

here an article about the social significance of the area: http://roarmag.org/2011/07/exarchia-and-the-greek-spirit-of-resistance/

Delenda Carthago

19th November 2013, 21:04

The previous post of mine was about the demonstration of KKE. If you want to see photos from the demonstration of everyone else click here (https://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1502318) and here (https://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1502140).

Sasha

21st November 2013, 11:53

Another murder in Athens. This time related to wages - a man accompanied his girlfriend to her work place to ask for the wages that the boss owed her. The boss and owner then allegedly called a private security guard to deal with the situation....the man was then beaten with metal coated gloves, and once knocked unconscious, was continually punched and kicked. The man later died in hospital.

trough Facebook...

Alonso Quijano

21st November 2013, 18:15

Greece is the real battlefield right now. Be strong Comrades.

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cyu

26th November 2013, 00:39

When the rich die, capitalists panic. When the poor die, it's a statistic.

http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/215196/Review-of-social-determinants-and-the-health-divide-in-the-WHO-European-Region-final-report-Eng.pdf

Suicides rose by 17% between 2007 and 2009 and to 25% in 2010. The Minister of Health reported a further 40% rise in the first half of 2011 compared with the same period in 2010. Suicide attempts have also increased, particularly among people reporting economic distress.

Homicide and theft rates have doubled.

HIV rates and heroin use have risen significantly, with about half of new HIV infections being self-inflicted to enable people to receive benefits of €700 per month and faster admission on to drugsubstitution programmes.

Prostitution has also risen, probably as a response to economic hardship.

Health care access has declined as hospital budgets have been cut by about 40% and it is estimated that 26 000 public health workers (9100 doctors) will lose their jobs.

Further cuts are expected as a result of recent negotiations with the IMF and European Central Bank.

ckaihatsu

8th December 2013, 17:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Cid4eP9us

KokkinoTsakali

6th January 2014, 12:18

How strange. I see so many posts about PAME and its accomplishments, yet I don't even see a reference about the struggle of the university administrators against the layoffs, who were on strike for 4 months. I hope this has nothing to do with MAS's (KKE's university students' front) stance concerning the strike (which was against the strike).

SovietCommie

10th January 2014, 01:22

Greek comrades,I remember reading an article about a neighborhood in Athens which is under Anarchist control,can you enlighten me about this?
>Anarchist
>Control
can you enlighten me about this? :confused:

Ritzy Cat

10th January 2014, 01:38

>Anarchist
>Control
can you enlighten me about this? :confused:

He probably meant more of being liberated from the authorities. That is obviously not the case however, as it was stated that the police often come in there just to flaunt their power every now and then

Philosophos

20th January 2014, 19:16

I wasn't sure where to post this and I'm not also sure if it has already been posted, so do whatever you want :)

Hristodoulos Xiros member of 17th of November is now out of prison and he says that he will do whatever he can to prevent banks, capitalists and politicians from destroying the lives of the people. He calls for help from all the comrades "that still have the flame inside of them" and he says that we should fight all the sidekicks of the system (policemen etc). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzQjm-4XJKE

Sorry but I can't translate the whole thing, but this is the first video he publishes after his break and even though he might not be the best at talking, his words are very strong and they influenced... some of my friends not me :wub: .

Last but not least he calls for union of the left (guevarists mostly I suppose) and he says that" we don't have the luxury to disagree, we have a war, and you don't chit chat when you have a war, you fight."

IBleedRed

20th January 2014, 19:37

KokkinoTsakali

26th January 2014, 23:42

On the 25th about 80 GD nazis showed up in Keratsini and took down the banner that was hung on the spot that P.Fyssas was murdered. Following that, they attacked the anarchist self-organised space "Resalto". After their failed attempts to invade the space, they caused damages by throwing bricks, most of which were thrown in nearby houses.
Later, an antifascist rally was held in Keratsini.

Here's the video that depicts the attack and the antifascist demonstration that took place.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1abj6v_25012014-ker_videogames?start=1

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 00:23

FSL

29th January 2014, 03:02

The last time I posted in this thread was 23rd of July 2013. We are now...two pages further and at exactly the same political point where we left off.

Which means the revolutionary left still fails to make any substantial political gains and...strangely enough... the KKE has not yet managed to capitalize on the worsening economic situation. GD is still twice as large as KKE.

Revolutionary unity has failed to emerge and KKE still maintains a position that everybody but they themselves are capitalist stooges and police infiltrators.

So....nothing much has changed.
Of course things have changed, they are much much worse movement-wise.

Why? Because the larger part of the revolutionary left is trying to appeal to investors, is praising Obama, is doing its best to save the EU, it rejects the notion of class debt etc etc
Is it strange then that the larger part of the revolutionary left is incapable of the slightest mobilization, of one protest, of even one strike organized by them?

And the thing is that many people, as you are evidently doing now, prefer all that, (even call it revolutionary themselves but maybe with a splash of reason)because they still prefer capitalism and because they still think that a better kind of capitalism will somehow come and praise the lord for that time.

Now, what can happen when so many people think Obama and his policies are part of the revolutionary left? You change their minds of course but the how is the difficult part.
So I'll ask you. You mention a revolutionary left that's divided. You seem to question the notion that other self-called left parties have policies in favor of capitalism, policies that are therefore not only incapable of improving the conditions for the working class but will actually help in making them worse.
I'll assume you are aware that by mentioning other left-parties one can only mean Syriza and Antarsya. The first one is praising Obama and the second one believes that a national currency will be the end of the ...apparently euro-induced crisis.

No you know these things -at least I hope you do- and you are also a somewhat educated person in terms or theory since you're here. You are also a person who's very passionate about the working class freeing itself.
So I'm asking you, what is it that I could possibly say to you to make you stop talking about a "divided revolutionary left" and the like? What is it I could say to you that all this nonsense by the greater part of the revolutionary left will only make your life worse?

Honestly, it's doing my head in that I can't think of one thing to say that could convince you because to me, it's just so obvious. Please tell me how your mind works and you'd be of huge assistance.

Of course the whole deal isn't solely about well-meaning people whose brain seems to have stopped any function.If only that were the case.

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 03:37

Of course things have changed, they are much much worse movement-wise. Why? Because the larger part of the revolutionary left is trying to appeal to investors, is praising Obama, is doing its best to save the EU, it rejects the notion of class debt etc etc
Is it strange then that the larger part of the revolutionary left is incapable of the slightest mobilization, of one protest, of even one strike organized by them?

What you refer to is not revolutionary left. But was the only viable alternative many people saw when they were confronted with the complete and utter betrayal by the KKE because of their rejection and continued rejection of cooperation with any protest not organized by them and dismissing these initiatives as either reactionary, fascist or infiltrationist.

The current outcome is not surprising and I have predicted this exact same thing would happen in previous Greek Newswire threads. Several members here attacked me for that position...but it seems time has proven me absolutely right and them wrong.

As you can reread if you have the time...I blame the repeated betrayal of the revolutionary movement by the KKE for all of this and their isolationism and even their blatant collaboration with the authorities.

As I have argued before...the KKE has over years become a bourgeoise parliamentary exponent. To accustomed to parliamentary seats and power that they have demonstrated willingness in collaborating with the police on several occasions to squash other revolutionary groups....and in doing so completely annihilated revolutionary potential.

In fact...the KKE has on more than one occasion asserted that they would only support a revolution which is led by them.

And the thing is that many people, as you are evidently doing now, prefer all that, (even call it revolutionary themselves but maybe with a splash of reason)because they still prefer capitalism and because they still think that a better kind of capitalism will somehow come and praise the lord for that time

As I am doing right now? Really? You really want to go there? Because it was the KKE who were handing protesters over to the cops when the KKE protected parliament.

It was the KKE who rejected and argued against any other protest initiatives which were not organized by them and did not run under their or PAME banner.

Hell...KKE relies on PAME which consists for the largest part of non revolutionary groups.

Now, what can happen when so many people think Obama and his policies are part of the revolutionary left? You change their minds of course but the how is the difficult part. So I'll ask you. You mention a revolutionary left that's divided. You seem to question the notion that other self-called left parties have policies in favor of capitalism, policies that are therefore not only incapable of improving the conditions for the working class but will actually help in making them worse.
I'll assume you are aware that by mentioning other left-parties one can only mean Syriza and Antarsya. The first one is praising Obama and the second one believes that a national currency will be the end of the ...apparently euro-induced crisis.

I do not think that is what I said at all. What I said is that the KKE strategy is failing. Utterly failing. GD has twice as much supporters but still the KKE maintains their previous set course of propagating itself as the sole legitimate leader of the revolutionary movement....rejecting a pletoria of other revolutionary movements which are not represented in parliament.

It is the very same KKE who lauds their token progress in gaining parliamentary seats as a class victory.

And this position is the same throughout the last decades. The KKE has lost its political and revolutionary relevance because of their political position rejecting cooperation and supporting initiatives.

So any chance of a revolution in Greece? Not so long as the KKE does what the KKE does best: collaborate.

No you know these things -at least I hope you do- and you are also a somewhat educated person in terms or theory since you're here. You are also a person who's very passionate about the working class freeing itself.
So I'm asking you, what is it that I could possibly say to you to make you stop talking about a "divided revolutionary left" and the like? What is it I could say to you that all this nonsense by the greater part of the revolutionary left will only make your life worse?

Honestly, it's doing my head in that I can't think of one thing to say that could convince you because to me, it's just so obvious. Please tell me how your mind works and you'd be of huge assistance.

I just did. I see the KKE as a defunct remnant of bourgeoisie communism posing as a vanguardist party which will only start to become slightly revolutionary if they can entirely control the revolutionary movement. The KKE is the main obstacle in creating a revolutionary movement which consists of the many revolutionary factions active in Greece.

But as it stands...I still vividly remember what the KKE did to Trotskyists and Anarchists during the protests in the 80's and 90's....doing the cops work. In fact...it was the KKE who once published ad article claiming they themselves prefered to maintain the curent status quo until the time was right to take leadership over the revolutionary movement.

Now they pretend to be the revolutionary alternative. Don't make me laugh. The KKE killed the revolutionary movement. They are tools in the hands of the current system...and wit their actions created organisations like SYRIZ and Antarsya.

FSL

29th January 2014, 03:56

What you refer to is not revolutionary left. But was the only viable alternative many people saw when they were confronted with the complete and utter betrayal by the KKE because of their rejection and continued rejection of cooperation with any protest not organized by them and dismissing these initiatives as either reactionary, fascist or infiltrationist.
So the people wanted a revolution, got stopped by the communist party and then decided to settle for an Obama praising fraud?

And they are certainly the greater part of the "revolutionary left" because there is hardly anyone else. You consider Syriza revolutionary and you consider Antarsya and their love affair with the drachma revolutionary, because it's just them and the KKE.

You're not saying that KKE is the revolutionary left because you say that the left is devided. Who are you talking about if not these two groups?

Because it was the KKE who were handing protesters over to the cops when the KKE protected parliament.
It didn't hand over anyone. It did protect itself against armies of fascists and "revolutionary leftists" who had come out to protest in squares, always in the evening so the bosses wouldn't be annoyed, with reactionary slogans about "traitors" and "corrupt thieves".

These thugs did have every success in their "revolution" which the KKE was unfortunately unable to stop. Ie with the first chance they got they voted en mass for the nazis of golden dawn and for the Obama-lovers of Syriza, just about anyone really who could sweaten their ears with promises of a nicer capitalism.

Now is this what you forsaw? The dangers of a reactionary movement taking the lead and destroying every hope for the working class? No, this is what you wanted and your only problem is that communists didn't die in the process.

The KKE has lost its political and revolutionary relevance because of their political position rejecting cooperation and supporting initiatives.
And yet again you fail to expicitly mention with whom and what initiatives.
Please do say so that the "revolutionary left" will stop being devided.

You shouldn't be unhappy. The movement in Greece has gone completely rotten, exactly because those initiatives succeeded.

How they succeeded and what the common worker has to expect from Obama, from a new Marshall plan or from a tough negotiation, this is what I can't wrap my head around.
I was hoping you could explain that to me and in that way help me, but you didn't.

You, much like them actually, just pretended it is you with the actually revolutionary stance and that it is somehow my fault that I didn't go along, waiving greek flags, calling out the traitors and saying that all that's needed is a tough guy to bully Merkel into submission.
You can be sure that I've heard all these before.
All I wanted to know is why on earth you have those opinions, why on earth would you expect the communist party to act like that and why on earth you think that something good would come out of it.

FSL

29th January 2014, 04:13

I just did. I see the KKE as a defunct remnant of bourgeoisie communism posing as a vanguardist party which will only start to become slightly revolutionary if they can entirely control the revolutionary movement. The KKE is the main obstacle in creating a revolutionary movement which consists of the many revolutionary factions active in Greece.

But as it stands...I still vividly remember what the KKE did to Trotskyists and Anarchists during the protests in the 80's and 90's....doing the cops work. In fact...it was the KKE who once published ad article claiming they themselves prefered to maintain the curent status quo until the time was right to take leadership over the revolutionary movement.

Now they pretend to be the revolutionary alternative. Don't make me laugh. The KKE killed the revolutionary movement. They are tools in the hands of the current system...and wit their actions created organisations like SYRIZ and Antarsya.

Again, which are these "many revolutionary functions" and what is the revolutionary movement they want to create, which are its targets?
Be as descriptive as possible, I'm living in Greece and haven't noticed them.

As I said, the only kind of movement we had that was seperate from the "old-fashioned" labor movement, were the indignant ones, the ones you claim were ready to take over the parliament and... I guess do something with it.
But they didn't fail. They have succeded in every one of their aims.
They have succeeded in making the whole thing a "Greece vs Germany" standoff. They have succeeded in making the whole crisis seem like a result of "poor negotiation" either because our politicians are puppets of the Jews or because they are corrupt and Germany has their political carreers under control.
They have succeded in convincing everyone that what we need is "a strongman", a "leader", someone who will arrive in Brussels and get everyone to start paying huge amounts of money to Greece with no strings attached. They've convinced the country that this is how the world works and became in a way the movement that ended all movements, the movement that erased class struggle when so many dictatorships couldn't.

And they've unfortunately succeeded in one last thing. In having their main representatives (Syriza, Antarsya, Independent Greeks, the nazis) remain outside of office and thus able to continue spewing the same nonsense over and over again. That move was especially brilliant in fact.

So why are you complaining? The movement that you say was blocked by the KKE, was only blocked physically when it tried to murder people. It wasn't blocked ideologically though, it became as dominant as few ideas have ever become.

Should the communist party be very critical of itself that it wasn't in a better position to fight it? Should it be angry with itself that it wasn't a 100 times more vigilant when these ideas first appeared? Surely.

But those days are gone and those lessons are learnt.
Now what? Now is when I ask your help in trying to understand how to change people's minds.

There is a guy here that says he'll negotiate our way out of the crisis. There are some other people that claim our life has worsened because of the euro, and not because of a capitalist crisis. That if we had drachma we could actually be earning more and capitalists -who would still own their property, their factories- would happily invest!

These people call themselves leftists, some call themselves revolutionary leftists. And you're writing here not to criticize them but to say instead that the communist party should be doing more to unify the fragmented revolutionary left.
Explain your thinking to me because as I said, I am at a complete and utter loss. It's disheartening really, believe me.

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 04:34

So the people wanted a revolution, got stopped by the communist party and then decided to settle for an Obama praising fraud?

And they are certainly the greater part of the "revolutionary left" because there is hardly anyone else. You consider Syriza revolutionary and you consider Antarsya and their love affair with the drachma revolutionary, because it's just them and the KKE.

You're not saying that KKE is the revolutionary left because you say that the left is devided. Who are you talking about if not these two groups?

I am not considering the KKE part of the revolutionary left but part of its destruction.

What I do see as the revolutionary left is the pletoria of Trotskyist, Anarchists and left communist parties and groups currently not represented in parliament. Whose existence you habitually deny....since the KKE does not recognize them as revolutionary.

It didn't hand over anyone. It did protect itself against armies of fascists and "revolutionary leftists" who had come out to protest in squares, always in the evening so the bosses wouldn't be annoyed, with reactionary slogans about "traitors" and "corrupt thieves".

O come on. You still believe that BS? You have been proven wrong so many times that I am actually wondering if there are secret KKE basements where they brain wash you poor sods. We were there remember? We saw what was happening...and it definitely wasn't at night.

What did happen was that the KKE violently prevented other groups getting to the square. Prevented other groups to get to parliament. Formed a nice protective line in front of parliament and attacked other groups and handed others over to the cops. THAT is what happened.

Just like the KKE has done time and time before. They collaborate with the cops in order to have their nice little TV time.

These thugs did have every success in their "revolution" which the KKE was unfortunately unable to stop. Ie with the first chance they got they voted en mass for the nazis of golden dawn and for the Obama-lovers of Syriza, just about anyone really who could sweaten their ears with promises of a nicer capitalism.

Sure.

Now is this what you forsaw? The dangers of a reactionary movement taking the lead and destroying every hope for the working class? No, this is what you wanted and your only problem is that communists didn't die in the process.

Get it straight: the KKE is the reactionary movement. And yes...I see them as the largest class traitors currently active in Greece and a real and pressing danger to the revolutionary movement.

In other words: I do not consider the KKE revolutionary at all. I consider them part of the bourgeoisie parliamentary system and class traitors. O...and I am basing myself on KKE publications which I have cited in the past.

And yet again you fail to expicitly mention with whom and what initiatives.
Please do say so that the "revolutionary left" will stop being devided.

We have hashed these over and over again in the past newswire threads. Please inform me which non KKE initiatives the KKE actually supported.

You shouldn't be unhappy. The movement in Greece has gone completely rotten, exactly because those initiatives succeeded.

No...the momvement in Greece went rotten the days the KKE decided to conform and show their parliamentary allegiance. That is when the revolutionary spark exstinguished in Greece because the KKE did what it always does: piss all over it.

How they succeeded and what the common worker has to expect from Obama, from a new Marshall plan or from a tough negotiation, this is what I can't wrap my head around. I was hoping you could explain that to me and in that way help me, but you didn't.

You, much like them actually, just pretended it is you with the actually revolutionary stance and that it is somehow my fault thoat I didn't go along, waiving greek flags, calling out the traitors and saying that all that's needed is a tough guy to bully Merkel into submission.
You can be sure that I've heard all these before.
All I wanted to know is why on earth you have those opinions, why on earth would you expect the communist party to act like that and why on earth you think that something good would come out of it.

Let me state again....all the BS you are trying to put in my words aside...because I never said them....the KKE has repeatedly stated they want the current situation not to escalate and the current status quo maintained because THEY are not ready and in a position to take leadership over the revolutionary movement.

The KKE is highly sectarian and rejects any and all other revolutionary groups as either non revolutionary, informants, collaborators. and class traitors

Yet the only group which has absolutely proven to collaborate and betray their class....is in fact...the KKE.

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 04:44

These people call themselves leftists, some call themselves revolutionary leftists. And you're writing here not to criticize them but to say instead that the communist party should be doing more to unify the fragmented revolutionary left.
Explain your thinking to me because as I said, I am at a complete and utter loss. It's disheartening really, believe me.

I am writing here not that the communist party should have done more. I am writing here that the communist party of Greece is a failure.

It is a joke and it is a collaborationist tool entrenched within the parliamentary democratic system. I reject the honesty behind the self espoused revolutionary nature of the KKE and consider them class traitors.

Time and time again the KKE has collaborated during protests and demonstrations with the police. Time and time again they handed comrades over to the cops. Time and time they have stood in protection of the very same institutions they claim to want to eradicate.

They have done so because of political opportunism. Positioning themselves to take sole leadership over the revolution....which will never come. The KKE more than once published on their website that they prefered the status quo because currently they themselves were not ready for this leadership role in the revolution.

In acting like the KKE has acted for decades they pissed all over the revolution. Alienating large parts of the population and working class. So much so that GD support in working class is twice as high as support for the KKE.

In its blind and one sided propagandistic efforts and its collaboration with cops and establishment they alienated Trotskyists, Anarchists, left communists. ALL of which are dismissed as social fascists, trouble makers, collaborators, infiltrants.

I have witnessed that first hand in several demonstrations. My comrades have witnessed that in the now infamous defense of parliament by the KKE.

In my eyes the KKE are the worst kind of scum. Worse than GD. And Worse than SYRIZA and their ilk.

Did I make my position clear enough for you?

FSL

29th January 2014, 04:50

What I do see as the revolutionary left is the pletoria of Trotskyist, Anarchists and left communist parties and groups currently not represented in parliament. Whose existence you habitually deny....since the KKE does not recognize them as revolutionary.

Trotskyist groups outside of antarsya and syriza? Might be a few dozen people. I know of no left communists and anarchists certainly have different aims compared to communists, even the ones that don't vote for Syriza (many of them do).

Are those the fragments you speak of? Then these fragments range from non-existant to non-compatible. You think I'm simply denying their presence? Then do me a favour and name them. You know of their revolutionary character? You must certainly know their names.

See, you're doing the same thing. You are defending the movement that spoke of "treason" and buried class struggle under greek flags and collective masturbation over a supposedly direct democracy, but with capitalists in place. And you're doing that while claiming you are the progressive one.

This is what I've seen many people do. But help me. How on earth are you suggesting that not even mentioning private property is revolutionary? How are you suggesting that talking only about a tough leader who will negotiate passionately and help everyone, workers and capitalists alike, live happily ever after, how are you suggesting that this is revolutionary and it's sectarian to not immediately accept this "truth"?

You seem passionate in your criticisms of the communist party and you live in the Netherlands. I live here and I meet people, just as irrational as you everyday and their inaction only drives me crazier. Don't think I'm only saying this to wind you up. I really want to know how you came to believe what you believe and what could change your mind if you heard it. It's just beyond my comprehension.

FSL

29th January 2014, 04:57

I am writing here not that the communist party should have done more. I am writing here that the communist party of Greece is a failure.

It is a joke and it is a collaborationist tool entrenched within the parliamentary democratic system. I reject the honesty behind the self espoused revolutionary nature of the KKE and consider them class traitors.

Time and time again the KKE has collaborated during protests and demonstrations with the police. Time and time again they handed comrades over to the cops. Time and time they have stood in protection of the very same institutions they claim to want to eradicate.

They have done so because of political opportunism. Positioning themselves to take sole leadership over the revolution....which will never come. The KKE more than once published on their website that they prefered the status quo because currently they themselves were not ready for this leadership role in the revolution.

In acting like the KKE has acted for decades they pissed all over the revolution. Alienating large parts of the population and working class. So much so that GD support in working class is twice as high as support for the KKE.

In its blind and one sided propagandistic efforts and its collaboration with cops and establishment they alienated Trotskyists, Anarchists, left communists. ALL of which are dismissed as social fascists, trouble makers, collaborators, infiltrants.

I have witnessed that first hand in several demonstrations. My comrades have witnessed that in the now infamous defense of parliament by the KKE.

In my eyes the KKE are the worst kind of scum. Worse than GD. And Worse than SYRIZA and their ilk.

Did I make my position clear enough for you?
You repeated the same nonsense but in no way provided the help I asked.

What I'm interested in is what makes you believe there are millions of troskyists, anarchists and left communists who are suggesting something different to a) a marshall plan as a result of a tough negotiation, and b) a return to drachma and can thus be considered revolutionary.

Please tell me which those vibrant revolutionary organizations are and I might understand at least why your sources are questionable at best.
For example, what the communist party said numerous times is that it won't accept government posts in a bourgeois state. What did you do, google translate the page? Or maybe trusted one of your million trotskyist, left communist and anarchist friends (outside of syriza and antarsya)?

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 05:12

Ironically I would also like to point out that prior to the formation of SYRIZA the KKE had no problems whatsoever to ally itself with some of the groups that eventually left to join SYRIZA. Which is extremely ironic.

Now....what the KKE is doing is holding nice protest marches without actually doing anyting but walking around. They support some strike...mostly and solely when they are organized by PAME affiliated organisations.

It always amuses me to point out that PAME by and large consists of unions and associations which aren't in the least revolutionary orientated.

But I especially like the official position of the KKE in which they stated about their tremendous electoral loss was because of people “who do not understand KKE’s line and must rectify their stand” :laugh:

Now the KKE position is that they are not part of the left but communists...and calls every group which does not belong to it: social democrats. Which is as nice and sectarian as it is isolationist.

But the KKE remains oddly silent on the fact that HALF...HALF its voters and members voted and went over to SYRIZA in 2012. Which is nice and illuminating. In polls as to why...the general assessment is the the KKE is not doing anything constructve in the current struggle.

And even before that left wing oriented youth protests in Greece were denounced by the KKE in the exact same terms as the rest of the bourgeoisie parties. Which lost the KKE tremendous respect in the younger age categories.

Awesome...no?

Of course I won't mention the selling of the KKE media 902 by the KKE....to a capitalist venture. Because that would be downright damning :laugh: You know....communists selling the media which they were given for free to venture capitalists (because as they claimed: it was legal) to turn a profit. :D :D :D

OMG....the KKE....what a tragic joke.

FSL

29th January 2014, 05:27

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 05:56

You repeated the same nonsense but in no way provided the help I asked.

What I'm interested in is what makes you believe there are millions of troskyists, anarchists and left communists who are suggesting something different to a) a marshall plan as a result of a tough negotiation, and b) a return to drachma and can thus be considered revolutionary.

Please tell me which those vibrant revolutionary organizations are and I might understand at least why your sources are questionable at best.
For example, what the communist party said numerous times is that it won't accept government posts in a bourgeois state. What did you do, google translate the page? Or maybe trusted one of your million trotskyist, left communist and anarchist friends (outside of syriza and antarsya)?

Have you actually read the 19th congress thesis of the KKE?

And the KKE rejecting government positions? They were in a government with ND of all parties for crying out loud!

Now...I livee to quite a few protests in Greece. Even the infamous one where Anarchists were chased by the KKE and after being beaten up summarily handed over to the cops by them. And I am not speaking of the one where the KKE defended the parliament.

Because the KKE has a history of sectarianism. Severe sectarianism and rejects any form of self criticism. In fact...critics are usually removed post haste or slandered.

In 2012 it was already argued by prominent and long term KKE members that SYRIZA was not a unity party but rather a coalition of different groups. Some of these groups are revolutionary. And as you well know...before these groups were kicked out of the alliance...they were allied to the KKE (you know...back when they served the KKE purpose a year or two before they joined SYRIZA and the KKE had no problem with former PASOK parties...unlike when they joined SYRIZA and the KKE suddenly radically changed course and said: "OMG SOCIAL DEMOCRATS...EWWWW")

Now the mere fact that you claim "incompatbility" as a reason not to enter into a larger revolutionary unity movement to...you know...tackle the first priority: capitalism and bourgeoisie government. Is evidence of this sectarinism I speak of.

But more pressing is the outcome of the 19th congress in which the KKE rejects any and all involvement and cooperation with any political party or group outside of its own satelite organisations to create a popular alliance. "The Popular Alliance today [is] determined via the action of PAME, PASEVE, PASSY, MAS, OGE. The Popular Alliance is not a coalition of political parties”. (and let me state here once again...most of these groups are NOT revolutionary at all). OUtside of these any cooperation with other unions is rejected so even on the trade-union or community level, KKE excludes any possibility of a formation of a united front with forces that are outside its orbit.

Denying also the fact that about 50% of KKE members who previously thought that a popular movement would make sense with the radical factions of SYRIZA and Anarchists....simply walked out on the KKE and joined and voted for SYRIZA.

Now....why? Why would KKE do this?? Because they are waiting for parties that (and yes I am quoting) “express the position of petty-bourgeois strata” but nevertheless defer to the KKE. :rolleyes: Let me repeat that petty bourgeois strata.

Now....the KKE did...to their credit...adopt a socialism now strategy...you know....rather than the stages strategy they previously adopted and now critisize in others ;) Unfortunately they added:

However, when the Central Committee of the KKE sets transition to socialism as a direct aim, it proposes no “indications and road plans” on how to achieve this except: ' to avoid untimely struggles And to wait until the objective conditions of the socialist revolution come onto the working class’s daily agenda.” :ohmy::rolleyes:

Now...I could disseminate this on a Communist Intern level....but seeing I am an anarchist...I am going to leave that for others. I would like to mention that the United Front idea...which is rejected by the KKE....is thoroughly a 1922 stated an proved doctrine of the Com Intern

Now the KKE continues whining..."omg the Tax movement, the potato movement and the massive amount of strikes (the KKE did not support) as well as all those protests....there were petty bourgeois signs there. Some people who supported that were not really revolutionaries....bohofuckingho"

And therefore it chose to stand aside. Observe. Do nothing. Like the good little incompetent stooges of the current system that they are.

Because they fail to understand. Because they do not grasp the situation. Because they have been too fucking bussy the last few decades with their own deluded sectarian propaganda and clinging on to comfortable parliamentary pluche.

THAT is what is wrong with the KKE.

And they wonder WHY they don't get anything done? Nooo. Because it is all the people's fault. Because...and yeah...again I quote: "they do not understand the party line and need to be corrected"

Yeah....sure. The KKE...it is a joke.

PhoenixAsh

29th January 2014, 06:00

Are you sure you're not Greek? The resemblance is uncunny.
You literally looked past everything I asked you, you didn't mention one of the many revolutionary organizations you were speaking of and instead just started talking about Syriza again.

In the 80s the communist party allied itself with Pasok in some local elections. In the 90s it allied itself with some organizations that are now in Syriza and in antarsya. That is a course of improvement, leading up to now. Pame is the class-consious part of the labor movement. It isn't communist nor should it be, but it does understand the fundamental differences between bosses and workers. It doesn't seek dialogue as it is so common with union bureaucracies, it tries to show why conversation with the bosses leads nowhere.

It is probably unnecessary of me to say how dissapointing you've been. You've demonstrated time and time again just how irrational you are, you basically admitted it yourself by refusing to answer the simplest questions and yet, you've offered no insight into the intricate workings of your mind. I am therefore again at a loss on how to change the mind of someone "thinking" like you.

First....all your questions have been answered in exchanges we have had in previous Greek Newswire threads. We have hashed this out.

Now.... I am at a complete loss on how to get it through to you that I am not going to change my mind on the KKE unless the KKE suddenly ends their sectarianist propaganda, stops collaborating with the system, denounces their past position and actually starts organizing and cooperating with broader initiatives.

And since it is a safe bet the KKE won't do that any time soon....there is absolutely nothing you can say that would change my mind.\

And...for your information...I did not bring up SYRIZA in this debate. You did that.

FSL

29th January 2014, 13:45

You said you didn't mean Syriza or Antarsya when you were talking about the revolutionary left. You claimed you meant many revolutionary groups, trotskyist, anarchist, left communist outside of these two organizations.

I asked you to name these groupings since you're so familiar with them and tell me more about their aims to verify that they're revolutionary.
You didn't -couldn't- do that and instead spoke again of Syriza.

In 2012 it was already argued by prominent and long term KKE members that SYRIZA was not a unity party but rather a coalition of different groups. Some of these groups are revolutionary.

Oh pretty please, please name these revolutionary groups in Syriza and their revolutionary stance. You know, the fact that the most revolutionary of them only go as far as antarsya in claiming the euro and the "german prison" is the source of our problems. That with a change of currency, everyone could be happy, workers would be better off and capitalists would invest all their money to bring us jobs! I can specifically mention DEA for example that is of this opinion. That wants to fight for a return to drachma and not for a revolution.

Can you name one that is revolutionary or are you that full of shit?

Have you actually read the 19th congress thesis of the KKE?

.the KKE did...to their credit...adopt a socialism now strategy...you know....rather than the stages strategy they previously adopted and now critisize in others Unfortunately they added:
However, when the Central Committee of the KKE sets transition to socialism as a direct aim, it proposes no “indications and road plans” on how to achieve this except: ' to avoid untimely struggles And to wait until the objective conditions of the socialist revolution come onto the working class’s daily agenda.”

And this is just how full of it you are. You ask me whether I've read the thesis of the 19th congress. have you read it? And if you've read it, why aren't you quoting that directly but instead relying on that http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2013/05/08/greek-cp-makes-fake-left-turn

Why what is an excerpt from that ridiculous article (that much to your disgust I assume, proposes a united front with the Obama-loving, enterpreneur praising Syriza) is presented by you as if it written by the communist party?

In reality a large chunk of KKE members had understood the duty to form a united front with Syriza aiming at a government of the Left, dialectically linked to working class struggle and organisation.

However, when the Central Committee of the KKE sets transition to socialism as a direct aim, it proposes no “indications and road plans” on how to achieve the aim. All that was spelled out in the theses was to avoid untimely struggles (such as the slogan of the government of the Left) and to wait until “the objective conditions of the socialist revolution come onto the working class’s daily agenda.”

Of course the actual theses say nothing about "avoiding untimely struggles". They instead say that socialism is a very timely struggle and in fact the real solution to our problems. And these theses were supported by 97-98% of the party members.

So let me sum up. You speak of a revolutionary fragmented left. When you're called out on that you refuse that you mean Syriza.
Then you can't name the other groups that make up this left so you again return to "some trotskyist groups in syriza that are revolutionary"
You refuse to explain how and why these are revolutionary as from what I know, all they're dreaming is drachma. Everything else is untimely.
You oppose the communist party not based on its positions, but based on how they are interpreted by someone who supports Syriza.
And you have the nerve to use that interpretation and claim it's the communist party's words. That they added that to the congress' decisions.

So all in all, I believe that I have understood why you think the way you think.
See, you're a reactionary and all you are dreaming is also a humane capitalism. You don't want to admit that so you'll make up stories on how denying revolution is the revolutionary thing to do. On how the working class is served by tougher negotiations or by a national currency and "money printing".

The problem isn't that you're dumb or irrational. If you wanted a revolution, then this behaviour would be inexplicable. You don't want one and you just would hate to admit it. You want a potentially good government taking over and looking after you. And it's not even weird that you're an anarchist. Many anarchists in Greece voted for Syriza, expressing in that way their love for Obama and for the values of European Union. Even one anarchist "terrorist-bank robber" was found to have supported Syriza in the elections (after he was arrested people checked his twitter).

See, that's what you are. Not confused and misguided. Just a liar.
And since there is no confusion in you, that is why it is impossible for me to change your mind. You don't need to hear that Syriza -along with revolutionary groups it carries- praises Obama and a supposedly progressive management of capitalism. You know that. You like that. It's what you dream.

And I can do nothing except wait until finally those frauds manage to get into office and "betray" you, along with many other fans of theirs here.

Not that this will make you understand that a humane capitalism is impossible.
No, being the good anarchist you are you'll trust some other pseudo-leftist down the way.
But watching you and the rest of the fans having the betrayed look... Well, I feel a bit bad to say it but it will be extremely enjoyable.

FSL

29th January 2014, 14:00

And apparently the source you used and presented as the communist party in its 19th congress is AWL, some trotskyist group in Britain.

Can you fake leftists stoop any lower? Is it not enough for you to just vote, fanatically even, any social democrat you see fit?
Why must you make it your life goal to fight off communism?

Delenda Carthago

29th January 2014, 20:04

Funny thing is, the only reason there is not any news on this newsfeed, is cause I stopped feeding it. Mostly cause nobody in here really gives a shit about anything else than spectacle. I mean, look at the general decadance the "Worker Struggles" subforum is. This is pathetic. Go smurf yourselfs.

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 00:25

Mainly because nobody is really interested in the traditional sectarian KKE propaganda and usual spin.

Which gets old really really fast.

And FSL...you know damned well from our past exchanges that naming organisations would ending in a tirade of how they are really informants, reformists, revisionist, collaborating, closet social democrats. Because that is in fact the KKE line.

And lo and behold...you are proving that exact same point from your very very first reply to my initial post. So you revert back to the most traditional of KKE traditions: personal attacks and questioning revolutionary intent.

Now...for somebody who most reverently supports a party which has:
* on more than one occasion participated in bourgeoisie government. Has even allied itself with the ND.
* sold parts of it organisation to venture capitalists for profit.
* officially maintains that the current status quo is preferable above revolution because the situation is "confused"
* has on more than one occasion openly collaborated with the cops and defended the institutions of capitalist parliamentary democracy...
* blames the people for electoral losses
* on more than one occasion betrayed protests and other radical leftwing parties
* in the past betrayed revolution

....that is a pretty blatant pot-kettle-black statement lacking of any self-criticism and sectarianism. And it splendidly proves my point.

Now...it is extremely interesting you do not comment on the fact that the KKE did indeed call their electoral loss the fault of the people who did not understand the KKE line.

And it is very interesting you fail to comment on the fact that the KKE lost HALF their voters and a huge amount of members to SYRIZA.

You claim trusting others outside of the KKE would be to wait for betrayal (and we all know the KKE is far faster with theirs than others ;) )...but my reply to that is: when is the KKE actually going to do something constructive??? Because right now all they do is sit on their arse and wait it out. Bewildered and impotent at the very very best...and complacency at its most likely.

Because the harsh reality is that your party is done. It is a laughable runner up. It hasn't even managed to match the GD! It isn't even back to its pre-crisis potential.

So you can post all kinds of pictures of banner waving parades you organize through your non revolutionary and non politicized union sattelites. But all you do is walk around and look very pretty.

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 02:32

Mainly because nobody is really interested in the traditional sectarian KKE propaganda and usual spin.

Which gets old really really fast.

Yeah bro. Sure. For example right now the thread about NY airport workers blocking roads has zero answers and minimum views, because...KKE. KKE is the reason why people in here dont give a single fuck about actual class struggle and just be fanboys of riotporn.

Whatever helps you nobodies sleep at night, really...

* in the past betrayed revolution

You do realise that the only revolution ever happened in Greece, was lead by KKE, right?

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 02:39

And just so someone can have a clear view on who is who...

Yesterday the "antirevolutionary" PAME did this: confronted the riot cops at the guard of a strike at a soap factory.

http://www2.rizospastis.gr/getImage.do?size=medium&id=427692&format=.jpg

What did you and your organization did yesterday for the class struggle? Mothafucka? Please, be thorough about it.

Ele'ill

30th January 2014, 02:43

What did you and your organization did yesterday for the class struggle? Mothafucka? Please, be thorough about it.

I don't have an organization because they're mostly complete shit imo but I think I wasn't very productive at work so that def. counts it's about as much contributed to the class struggle

#FF0000

30th January 2014, 02:45

What did you and your organization did yesterday for the class struggle? Mothafucka? Please, be thorough about it.

we didn't defend parliament from a bunch of angry as heck workers which is a victory in itself, i think.

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 02:59

Yeah bro. Sure. For example right now the thread about NY airport workers blocking roads has zero answers and minimum views, because...KKE. KKE is the reason why people in here dont give a single fuck about actual class struggle and just be fanboys of riotporn.

Whatever helps you nobodies sleep at night, really...

Interestingly enough the KKE isn't interested in class struggle either. So you fit right in here.

You do realise that the only revolution ever happened in Greece, was lead by KKE, right?

Yes much like Holland was once the dominant power in the world once....ages ago.

Which of course also begs some serious questions as to why the KKE would sign a treaty establishing parliamentary capitalism (Varkiza) in the first place...and of course why the KKE would betray and execute and assassinate all non KKE revolutionary allies during the civil war.

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 03:14

Interestingly enough the KKE isn't interested in class struggle either. So you fit right in here.

I m posting the photo of a strike at a factory. Answer:KKE isn't interested in class struggle.

Because fuck logic, thats why.

Yes much like Holland was once the dominant power in the world once....ages ago.

Have you anything more recent to show? Was there any other revolution in Greece in the meantime that I missed?

Which of course also begs some serious questions as to why the KKE would sign a treaty establishing parliamentary capitalism (Varkiza)
Which wasnt KKE, it was the People's Front(EAM). And today KKE rejects PFs exactly based on its(and in other countries experience of course like France or Spain) experience.

So you are accusing 2014 KKE for a mistake that PF did in 1944, yet you deny to accept the Civil War which was after that, because that was...ages ago?

Because...fuck logic?

in the first place...and of course why the KKE would betray and execute and assassinate all non KKE revolutionary allies during the civil war.

Revolutionary allies? You dont say. You mean the allies that when the british tanks were storming Athens, NATO's first Stay Behind(Team X) was murdering demonstrators with snipers from the rooftops etc, what they saw was a "stalinist coup"?

The same allies that when the Civil War ended with the victory of the bourgeois, they sended a letter giving congrats to the National Army for defeating the commies?

I mean, OK. "Allies". Allies of who, though?

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 03:18

And just so someone can have a clear view on who is who...

Yesterday the "antirevolutionary" PAME did this: confronted the riot cops at the guard of a strike at a soap factory.

Awesome.

A year and a half ago PAME welcomed GD into a strike allowed them to make a speech and then thanked them for their support.

Now they are standing across from the police. They have come a long way since then.

And I also note that in the picture they haven't managed to hand over anybody to the cops. So....yeah...I'd say it is a huge step forwards.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nobody claimed PAME was anti-revolutionary. What I did state was that PAME consists of mostly non-revolutionary groups and non political members. Which...if you would look up previous threads about the subject...is something you yourself admitted a year or so back. ;)

What did you and your organization did yesterday for the class struggle? Mothafucka? Please, be thorough about it.

I managed to not associate with fascists and betray actual revolutionaries...and I managed not to participate in the parliamentary political process nor did I protect government institutions...and on top of that I did some groceries and bought fair trade chocolate. I think I may have called a cop a bastard....but I can't be sure. This may have happened the day before. I also posted some hateful comments on a conservative blog. And al of this before breakfast. After that I took it sow and I just posted a facebook status about how everybody should organize. O...and I likes a status by a squatting group. I think that counts too.

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 03:25

we didn't defend parliament from a bunch of angry as heck workers which is a victory in itself, i think.
You dont say. "Angry as heck workers". Like who? What union/syndicate/whatever wanted to "storm the parliament"? Name 1(one).

And when you name me 1 (one) union that was on the side of these thugs, I will name you 100 (one hundred) of the unions that were with PAME that day. Just so everyone can see who was the working side and who the petit bourgeois on that day.

Plus: within those 100 (one hundred), you get an extra bonus, I m gonna name you at least 4 unions that did strikes for more than 100 days, aight?

PS. I dont know about no "angry as heck workers". I do know of though this:
ON-BoxVZ4-U

This is a video that someone made by taking two other videos from a guys channel on YT. On the first video we see him as an "angry as heck worker that wanted to storm the parliament" being injured after his fight with PAME that day.

On the second video, we see him as a fascist thug bullying two immigrants.

I rest my case, your Honor...

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 03:25

I m posting the photo of a strike at a factory. Answer:KKE isn't interested in class struggle.

Because fuck logic, thats why.

KKE: striking and parading yourself through the crisis.

Have you anything more recent to show? Was there any other revolution in Greece in the meantime that I missed?

Nope, nothing more recent. I think that was pretty much the last one the KKE betrayed.

Which wasnt KKE, it was the People's Front(EAM). And today KKE rejects PFs exactly based on its(and in other countries experience of course like France or Spain) experience.

So you are accusing 2014 KKE for a mistake that PF did in 1944, yet you deny to accept the Civil War which was after that, because that was...ages ago?

Because...fuck logic?

My accusation has just about as much validity to the present as your reference to the past proves anything about the present.

Although....my accusation does provide some evidence in continuation of behaviour by the KKE.

I]Revolutionary allies[/I]? You dont say. You mean the allies that when the british tanks were storming Athens, NATO's first Stay Behind(Team X) was murdering demonstrators with snipers from the rooftops etc, what they saw was a "stalinist coup"?

The same allies that when the Civil War ended with the victory of the bourgeois, they sended a letter giving congrats to the National Army for defeating the commies?

I mean, OK. "Allies". Allies of who, though?

No I meant the Anarchists, Trotskyists, Left communists...council communists etc. the KKE assassinated.

#FF0000

30th January 2014, 03:30

You dont say. "Angry as heck workers". Like who? What union/syndicate/whatever wanted to "storm the parliament"? Name 1(one).

And when you name me 1 (one) union that was on the side of these thugs, I will name you 100 (one hundred) of the unions that were with PAME that day. Just so everyone can see who was the working side and who the petit bourgeois on that day.

Plus: within those 100 (one hundred), you get an extra bonus, I m gonna name you at least 4 unions that did strikes for more than 100 days, aight?

lol "workers who aren't affiliated with my party/union aren't workers and are also fascist thugs"

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 03:31

Nobody claimed PAME was anti-revolutionary. What I did state was that PAME consists of mostly non-revolutionary groups and non political members. Which...if you would look up previous threads about the subject...is something you yourself admitted a year or so back. ;)

You do realise that PAME is not a political organization but a unions front, right? And that its not supposed to consist of "revolutionary groups", but workers unions and syndicates.

and on top of that I did some groceries and bought fair trade chocolate.
I think I may have called a cop a bastard....but I can't be sure. This may have happened the day before. I also posted some hateful comments on a conservative blog. And al of this before breakfast. After that I took it sow and I just posted a facebook status about how everybody should organize. O...and I likes a status by a squatting group. I think that counts too.

YOU DID?! OMG and I m just standing there judging you?!?!?!

I take it all back, I m sorry. I truly am.

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 03:39

KKE: striking and parading yourself through the crisis.

Well, you know, striking is not as important as buying fair trade chocolate, but I guess everyone will do what is capable of and nothing more.

Nope, nothing more recent. I think that was pretty much the last one the KKE betrayed.
KKE betrayed itself at the Civil War...

My dear, you are a true piece of art.

Although....my accusation does provide some evidence in continuation of behaviour by the KKE.

Continuation of behaviour:

1944 People's Front sign Varkiza treaty.
1945 KKE starts the armed struggle, some will call it "revolution".
2014 KKE embraices that revolution as the highest moment of class struggle in the history of Greece, and denounces PFs based on its experience.

Make love to Logic.

No I meant the Anarchists, Trotskyists, Left communists...council communists etc. the KKE assassinated.

Yeap. Thats who Im talking about too.

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 03:42

You do realise that PAME is not a political organization but a unions front, right? And that its not supposed to consist of "revolutionary groups", but workers unions and syndicates.

And there I was thinking communist vanguard parties were there to organize, politicize and create class consciousness in the working class.

Now I remember Lenin stating the labour unions were instrumental to the revolution.

YOU DID?! OMG and I m just standing there judging you?!?!?!

I take it all back, I m sorry. I truly am.
;)

Well if you had asked what I had done this weekend....

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 03:47

lol "workers who aren't affiliated with my party/union aren't workers and are also fascist thugs"
Thats cute. How do we know, if they didnt act based on their workers identity, that these people were workers? Because.

And no, not every non related with their union worker is a fascist thug. Only those that bully immigrants and post videos on YT so they can brag about it.

Delenda Carthago

30th January 2014, 03:50

And there I was thinking communist vanguard parties were there to organize, politicize and create class consciousness in the working class.

You also do realise that PAME and KKE are not the same thing, right?
PAME is a unions front.
KKE is a communist party.

KKE supports PAME, but PAME is a front. And that it consists by many more people other than communists.

Well if you had asked what I had done this weekend....
Let me guess: You spray painted 4 walls with (A)s.

ArisVelouxiotis

30th January 2014, 10:21

[QUOTE]Yeap. Thats who Im talking about too.[QUOTE]

Oh so the English and Americans were trotskyists anarchists and left communists?Good to know

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 12:27

You also do realise that PAME and KKE are not the same thing, right?
PAME is a unions front.
KKE is a communist party.

KKE supports PAME, but PAME is a front. And that it consists by many more people other than communists.

PAME is a little more than something the KKE supports. PAME was founded on the initiative of the KKE back in 99....so basically 15 years to actually revolutionize the movement.

Let me guess: You spray painted 4 walls with (A)s.

No actually I was fighting with some Nazi's.

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 12:36

I'll assume you are aware that by mentioning other left-parties one can only mean Syriza and Antarsya. The first one is praising Obama and the second one believes that a national currency will be the end of the ...apparently euro-induced crisis.

I missed this one.

On june 16th, days before the elections, the KKE released an official statement in which they rejected any form of cooperation with SYRIZA. Their argument was and is that Greece needs to leave the EU and adopt a national currency.

PhoenixAsh

30th January 2014, 15:39

Since I am really tired about going back and forward over details about the KKE I'll explain to you what my most pressing problem is with the KKE.

The KKE, like so many marginalized communist factions of all tendencies, is thoroughly sectarian and suffers from political shortsightedness and a resulting tragic blindness to reality. It denounces each and every group and party which is not directly aligned with them as objectionable and non compatible. In doing so the KKE maintains it is the only alternative and their way is the only way. The KKE writes long polemics about how terribly wrong other leftwing and radical leftwing groups and parties are, rife with rhetoric and propaganda.

This amounts to nothing less than political isolationism and fragmenting and splintering revolutionary potential among the working class...which...lets face it...cares fuck all about communist tendencies and splits (of which we probably have more than the Catholic church by now..and at least they pretend to form a unified body).

So let me repeat that. A non politicized, non revolutionary worker (which makes up the largest part of the working class) doesn't care about who did what and when and why this was stupid because some guy decades ago wrote something in a book and why we now have to shun them. They do not care about theoretical purity no matter how right it is.

The average worker cares about their current position right now and whether or not they have a job, can pay the bills and can survive with their family. You know...important day to day stuff. And they worry about it today, tomorrow, next week.

So they do not care about some communique written on the 16th in which the largest revolutionary party currently active states that it doesn't really care about whether or not it presents a viable alternative in the near future. Just as long as it remains true to the letter of their ideals....they will eventually get there.

What the working class wants, and most important of all, needs...is a viable alternative to the current situation for the here and now and not the..."we will see when the time is right and we are big enough". It needs organisation, direction and most of all it needs to not be bothered with infighting, bickering and complete and utter sectarian non sense.

You see....the crisis is NOW. And an alternative needs to be presented NOW.

The KKE was (!!) sitting on a huge revolutionary potential in which they could have and should have taken a leadership position. They should have embraced individual initiatives (even though they weren't properly conforming with ML theory or even when they were not in a leadership position or even when they were apolitical). They should have reached out to other parties and factions in order to coordinate or attempt to coordinate actions. (and do NOT tell me they tried that...because you know it isn't true). In short..they should have been proactive. But in the last 15 years they haven't even managed to revolutionize their own union front.

Instead the KKE acted and acts like a diva who thinks they can outshine everybody. Their way or the highway. Not readying itself for mass action but instead fragmenting their efforts into individual actions...because...as they themselves say: we are in it for the long run.

Meanwhile that leaves most workers directionless in their emerging class consciousness....and thus a welcome prey for the far right. Let me make this clear: the far right ONLY stands a chance if they are NOT confronted by a unified radical left alternative. It also leaves the door wide open for parties which do pretend to have easy short term solutions.

Now I can only imagine the response of the KKE supporters here. "Yes but they support Obama" and "But they want to stay in the EU". Yes...and you had fuck all influence on their position because you rejected to have anything to do with them way before they even had electoral success.

In the meantime...you lost half your votes to them, half your members. And they managed to get 30% of the population behind them and you don't even manage to match half of what GD has.

You're done. Because of your indecision and inaction...and because you fragment your energy. You do not bring a viable short term alternative and you even directly reject the notion of alleviating some of the most pressing and urgent problems the working class faces because you want to remain "ideologically pure" and even go so far as to state that you do not give these pressing concerns as much priority as the eventual victory of YOUR tendency over capital.

That is my problem with the KKE.

And then of course there is the matter of several other important issues I mentioned.

KokkinoTsakali

1st February 2014, 10:18

A massive demonstration was held on Friday evening in Keratsini (Athens area) at the scene where leftist rapper Pavlos Fyssas was fatally stabbed last September by a Golden Dawn supporter. The rally was called in response to Golden Dawn's provocations and recent attack against the nearby "Resalto" squat. The protest was organized by the Keratsini-Drapetsona offices of SYRIZA, ANTARSYA and other leftist groups.

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FSL

5th February 2014, 20:39

And FSL...you know damned well from our past exchanges that naming organisations would ending in a tirade of how they are really informants, reformists, revisionist, collaborating, closet social democrats. Because that is in fact the KKE line.
What I do know is that you can't even name one. Not one. Because you're sad and you need to make up things to look... well not that sad I guess.

I missed this one.

On june 16th, days before the elections, the KKE released an official statement in which they rejected any form of cooperation with SYRIZA. Their argument was and is that Greece needs to leave the EU and adopt a national currency.
Nope, sorry. You're either wrong or lying again. I hope your source isn't some trotskyist webpage. Again.

Now I can only imagine the response of the KKE supporters here. "Yes but they support Obama" and "But they want to stay in the EU". Yes...and you had fuck all influence on their position because you rejected to have anything to do with them way before they even had electoral success.
They were the same before they had electoral success. Should communists blame themselves for bourgeois politicians? Are you that insane?
Every time a bourgeois politician proposes something reactionary, communists should beat themselves in the head because "they weren't there in the first place to influence his posistion"?

News for the supporters of the radical left, there are local elections coming up in Greece and the most important is the 13 big regions the country is divided in.

Syriza proposes Odysseas Voudouris for the region of Peloponnisos, a former leading pasok member who voted the memorandum and supported the current government in the parliament in 2012. He left pasok for the democratic left and then left them for Syriza. He has however said that he doesn't regret his decision to vote for the memorandum because the country needed to improve its public finances

And Syriza proposes Theodoros Karypidis for the region of Western Macedonia, a rather conservative area, a journalist who guess what, defended golden dawn after their arrests and claimed that the new name for the public tv station (nerit) is derived from jewish and its "antigreek" celebration of hanukkah (essentially saying that the government is secretely "serving the jewry").

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLarzzJjVeeB-6EFcsIwFxxZ0GcqpCdxemhMUHLvCBWpC92Gzw2g
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtfy9Y7u6TSjjHkSRibmJHF6GC3ZAdl lnA4-KdDvxoVkJ5Eonz5A

He even says at a point that "now that the golden dawn is arrested, every problem will be solved... the hospitals will be open to the world, not just the smuggled-immigrants" (a derogatory term for foreigners).

So maybe the communists are to blame for not walking hand in hand with those despicable people and trying to stop them before they got to this point. Because I do sincerely hope you think of that as an extremely low point, don't you?

But then again you -and others- have claimed time after time that it's not just the KKE that are communists. There are many many others. One of whom is the poster above. Who has made the very brave decision of joining forces with Syriza but was apparently... unable to "influence their opinion" for some reason.
My explanation is that that's because he's not much better himself.

To repeat some things again. These opinions you have are not only wrong. They are downright destructive. You're a so-called anarchist, others might think of themselves as revolutionary communists or whatever, and what you're all proposing is whatever it is the CPUSA does in the US, the CPF does in France. Ie nothing.
Playing third wheel to downright reactionaries because they might increase public spending by 0.5% or they might increase the minimum wage by 1.0%. After all, we do need a viable alternative now, don't we? To hell with communism and to hell with freedom.

If you could by any stretch of the imagination be considered comrades, if you could at least claim you hold the same aims and goals as us, then we might be wrong to disassociate ourselves from you.

But you are not comrades and you certainly don't have the same goals as us. So you can all happily just go dive into your swamp and allow us to be as "sectarian" as we want.

KokkinoTsakali

7th February 2014, 10:26

KokkinoTsakali

7th February 2014, 16:25

The Political Secretariat of SYRIZA, in its meeting earlier today, has decided to withdraw Karypidis' candidacy.

PhoenixAsh

7th February 2014, 21:02

What I do know is that you can't even name one. Not one. Because you're sad and you need to make up things to look... well not that sad I guess.

Nope, sorry. You're either wrong or lying again. I hope your source isn't some trotskyist webpage. Again.

They were the same before they had electoral success. Should communists blame themselves for bourgeois politicians? Are you that insane?
Every time a bourgeois politician proposes something reactionary, communists should beat themselves in the head because "they weren't there in the first place to influence his posistion"?

News for the supporters of the radical left, there are local elections coming up in Greece and the most important is the 13 big regions the country is divided in.

Syriza proposes Odysseas Voudouris for the region of Peloponnisos, a former leading pasok member who voted the memorandum and supported the current government in the parliament in 2012. He left pasok for the democratic left and then left them for Syriza. He has however said that he doesn't regret his decision to vote for the memorandum because the country needed to improve its public finances

And Syriza proposes Theodoros Karypidis for the region of Western Macedonia, a rather conservative area, a journalist who guess what, defended golden dawn after their arrests and claimed that the new name for the public tv station (nerit) is derived from jewish and its "antigreek" celebration of hanukkah (essentially saying that the government is secretely "serving the jewry").

He even says at a point that "now that the golden dawn is arrested, every problem will be solved... the hospitals will be open to the world, not just the smuggled-immigrants" (a derogatory term for foreigners).

So maybe the communists are to blame for not walking hand in hand with those despicable people and trying to stop them before they got to this point. Because I do sincerely hope you think of that as an extremely low point, don't you?

But then again you -and others- have claimed time after time that it's not just the KKE that are communists. There are many many others. One of whom is the poster above. Who has made the very brave decision of joining forces with Syriza but was apparently... unable to "influence their opinion" for some reason.
My explanation is that that's because he's not much better himself.

To repeat some things again. These opinions you have are not only wrong. They are downright destructive. You're a so-called anarchist, others might think of themselves as revolutionary communists or whatever, and what you're all proposing is whatever it is the CPUSA does in the US, the CPF does in France. Ie nothing.
Playing third wheel to downright reactionaries because they might increase public spending by 0.5% or they might increase the minimum wage by 1.0%. After all, we do need a viable alternative now, don't we? To hell with communism and to hell with freedom.

If you could by any stretch of the imagination be considered comrades, if you could at least claim you hold the same aims and goals as us, then we might be wrong to disassociate ourselves from you.

But you are not comrades and you certainly don't have the same goals as us. So you can all happily just go dive into your swamp and allow us to be as "sectarian" as we want.

Ow...this is funny...because according to a poll done by JTA (you know...Jewish organisation) in the late 80's it was established that anti-semitism and jewish conspiracy is so widespread in Greece that 55% of PASOK members; 52% of KKE members and 44% of KKE interior members had a deep mistrust of Jews and were openly anti-semitic. And of course we have the 2002 rather silly notion expressed by several KKE officials that 911 was a Jewish plot. (Rizospastis august) 2002. And then we have Gatzis who praised a right wing anti semetic racist as being a very courageous politician.

So...you were saying??

O yes....I forgot. Any criticism of the KKE is automatically a lie or a distortion.

you can be sectarian all you want. Just do not pretend to be working to any actual revolutionary conscious in the working class. The KKE hasn't been doing that since the late 40's

KokkinoTsakali

10th February 2014, 00:34

The majority of SYRIZA's Prefectural Committee of Messinia has voted in favor of the withdrawal of Voudouris' candidacy.

Also there's been a document signed by several SYRIZA's Youth organisations in the Peloponnese (from Kalamata, Argos, Tripoli, Corinth, Xylokastro and Sparta) that press the leadership to find another candidate and ask other Prefectural Committees across the country to vote for Voudouris' withdrawal.

FSL

14th February 2014, 23:52

I'm going to try and make things clear.

It's TRUE that SYRIZA's reformist leadership proposed those two.
However, SYRIZA's members all over the country reacted to these outrageous proposals, because not only they were about people that have nothing to do with SYRIZA (and generally the Left), but mostly because they were proposed without asking SYRIZA's local organisations first. The Left Platform requested the abortion of their candidacy with SYRIZA. It's only a matter of time before the leadership satisfy this demand.

Syriza's local organization supported Karypidis' campaign in a vote that ended 9-3 in his favour. You somehow missed that. And the local organization was overruled by the leadership.

Syriza's local organizations in Peloponnisos have been asking for Voudouris' candidacy to be withdrawn. And they are also overruled by the leadership.:lol:

So we have a final result of 0/2 when it comes to party democracy as it's always the leadership deciding and discarding the opinions of the local organizations and we also have the very very weird phenomenon where syriza "cadres" while opposing the former Pasok member, Voudouris, are voting in favour of an antisemite, racist conspiracy loon.

Now how is that possible?...

My guess is that local organizations in both cases voted based solely on whether they thought the candidate would win (with a win they are the most likely to be rewarded with public money and loval government positions). That's why the supported the racist and disowned the pasok one.
The leadership on the other hand voted based on its long terms relationships with certain sections of capital.
The capital formerly close to pasok, for example the industrialists' union (the head of which just exhanged some pleasantries with Tsipras in a press event), is a much more valuable ally to Syriza's leadership.

Now, kokkino tsakali, why is it that you failed to mention that a syriza's local organization voted in favour of Karypidis?
And why is it that you seem to be utterly failing in any effort to keep syriza's leadership from drifting further and further to the right?
Are they -gasp!- traitors to the cause?

Delenda Carthago

15th February 2014, 18:37

So... today People's Allience did:

1. Demonstration on the issue of Health in Athens from PAME. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/37403/pame-genikos-xesikomos-gia-tin-ygeia-sygkentrosi-tin-triti-stin-omonoia)

2. KNE did a demostration like this one (http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/Mass-mobilization-of-KNE-against-super-exploitation-and-badly-paid-work/), only this time in Thesaloniki (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/37441/thessaloniki-kinitopoiisi-tis-kne-enantia-stis-protaseis-toy-kepe-video#/0).

3. The farmers struggle continues. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/agrotes/37376/agrotes-neo-syllalitirio-tin-kyriaki-sti-nikaia-panelladiko-syllalitirio-tin#/0)

4.Union strike in Forthnet(internet)-Netmed(cable TV) corp. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/37445/somateio-ergazomenon-forthnet-netmed-prohorame-apofasistika)

5. Taxi drivers mobilisation. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/aytoapasholoymenoi/37448/kinitopoiiseis-ton-aytoapasholoymenon-ton-kladon-odikis-metaforas)

6. MAS students announced a text against the imperialist attack of EU on Central African Republic. (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/neolaia-paideia/37401/foititikoi-syllogoi-katadikazoyn-tin-imperialistiki-epemvasi-tis-ee)

7. Strike and demonstration on the super market chain "Arvanitidis". (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/37194/thessaloniki-maziki-i-kinitopoiisi-ton-ergazomenon-ston-arvanitidi-megali#/0)

8. Second wave of solidarity moves to the earthquake hited islanders of Keffalonia (http://www.902.gr/eidisi/ergatiki-taxi/37439/gia-deyteri-fora-emprakti-allileggyi-apo-ergatiko-kentro-zakynthoy-stoys#/0).

Thats pretty much more than we see in Revleft in a month, isnt it?

Ele'ill

15th February 2014, 18:44

Delenda Carthago

20th February 2014, 15:17

G. Mavrikos of KKE speaking today to workers at a construction site.
http://www.902.gr/sites/default/files/styles/902-lightbox/public/Media/20140220/mayrikos_periodeia_ergotaxio_ippodromo_1.jpg?itok= YHdZ7ip1

FSL

5th March 2014, 11:12

I'm just going to have another laugh at Syriza supporters with the opportunity presented to me by their "stance" on Ukraine.

So this article appeared on Syriza's paper, Avgi: http://www.avgi.gr/article/2007339/poia-anoixi-gia-tin-oukrania-

It's title is "What kind of spring for Ukraine". It speaks of an "ukrainian revolution" that's the first to violently overthrow a corrupt post-communist regime. It describes the ukrainian people as basically in favour of EU participation saying that't not a devisive issue at all for the population. And it considers the neonazis appearing at the forefront of the demonstrations-turned-revolution something to be expected with the lack of any real left organizations and all.

And at the same time, articles are appearing on Iskra, a website for the party's left platform (iskra was the name of an early pre-revolutionary version of Pravda), that solely consist of salivating at the possibility of a russian intervention, such as this one:
http://www.iskra.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15510:oukrania&catid=37:di-evropi&Itemid=172

The title reads:
"Ukraine under the US heel and at the mercy of neonazis. Russia in a dilemma.
Filthy threats from the US-NATO-EU towards Russia"

Add to these, previous statements from the party's head regarding the prospects of US-Greece relationships at the event of a syriza's win in elections, that "Not all governments are imperialistic" referring to Obama of course.

And tell me that this isn't a bunch of frauds.

Black Cross

30th May 2014, 18:09

And in the mean time, the imf will keep throwing money at Greece's economy...

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN0EA1QI20140530?irpc=932

I'm sure this will result in a great boon for all Greeks!

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

cyu

1st June 2014, 16:58

The vehicle by which Austrian "economics" will be forced upon the world's poor

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120930/focus/images/LettCartoon20120626LM.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1hZ8sCUIlt4/R6TJolJo1JI/AAAAAAAAAGs/fTtJGkt_Klo/s1600/IMF+Cartoon.jpg

Philosophos

30th November 2014, 12:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTICRE0EMs8#t=287

An anarchist antifascist social center has opened inside an area of Athens, that until recently predominantly supported the neonazi Golden Dawn party in Greece.

The guys in the video say antifascist slogans as they pass by the streets and they leave graffiti as they pass by (or maybe there were already there I don't know I don't actually live there) with things like "We are here now", "Alkiviadou street, we are open and we expect you" "Antifascist, antiauthoritarian place "Distomo" " and then they continue with some slogans against Golden Dawn captain and vice-captain.

That made my day personally :grin:

I don't know if it has been posted again, but i just saw it

cyu

23rd December 2014, 20:19

Greece is and remains in a Great Depression. Seven years of precipitous falls in income have spawned a humanitarian crisis. In each of these years, the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund predicted that recovery was “around the corner”.

their number one priority was to shift gargantuan losses from the books of the private banks onto the shoulders of the weakest of taxpayers. Once this strategy was in place, it was embellished with neoliberal ideology.

What they are afraid is that the twin bubbles that the Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels so elaborately pumped up over the last year, in the bond and stock markets, so as to pretend that Greece was recovering, would burst. But this is the fate of bubbles: they burst.

There is no doubt that the establishment will throw everything they can at SYRIZA, inspiring the maximum amount of terror in the hearts and minds of Greek voters.

It reveals a deep-seated contempt for democracy and a colonial attitude that makes a mockery of the notion of a Union that respects the sovereignty of its member-states. The European Commission is supposed to be answerable to the citizens of member-states. The citizens of member-states are not answerable to the Commission.

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/12/15/interviewed-by-thomas-fazi-for-oneuro-greece-the-eurozone-and-the-prospects-of-a-syriza-government/

No doubt even if SYRIZA wins, the powers that be will still try to bring Greece under control. If they can't win by cheationg in elections, then they'll win with blackmail and physical intimidation. Support for capitalist economics is based on ignorance and lies, and as of now, the ruling class still has no plans to give up their power. And so the world continues to lurch on into darkness.

cyu

24th January 2015, 20:45

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-24/bunch-criminals

Living at home, Katerina describes herself as an adult forced to live as a teenager, her life put on hold. considering the high numbers unable to afford a place of their own. “No-one is even thinking about getting married or having children.”

In 2010 there were 114,766 live births, and by 2013 that number had declined by almost 20,000. miscarriages at the Leto maternity hospital have doubled over the past year. “Maybe it’s down to stress. There is no proof, but you can see it in the eyes of the people, there is stress and fear for the future.”

a woman he had been treating with IVF came to him one day crying because she was pregnant. She had lost her job and demanded an abortion. But he felt he could not perform the procedure.

Some who have children and are struggling to support them have turned to sex work, to put food on the table. Soula Alevridou, who owns a legal brothel, says the number of married women coming to her looking for work has doubled in the last five years. “They plead and plead but as a legal brothel we cannot employ married women,” she says. “It’s illegal. So eventually they end up as prostitutes on the streets.”

A doctor explains how she also works as an escort in the sex industry to support her family. Her clinic treats three patients a week, but the sex industry enables her to keep up with the rental payments on her home and the healthcare bills for her parents. “I live a double life and only I can know about it. I have applied for jobs in medicine abroad and wait every day in hope of a reply.”

cyu

30th January 2015, 21:49

Democracy in Europe

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/01/29/a-question-of-respect-or-lack-thereof/

Our Foreign Minister briefed us that he heard in the news bulletins that the EU had approved new sanctions on Russia unanimously. The problem was that he, and the new Greek government, were never asked

cyu

30th January 2015, 22:59

Seems these days, the ruling class operates a bit like a burglar who has been discovered.

"Oh shit, they saw me. Better eliminate the witnesses."

"Crap, their kid heard the gunshots. Better kill the kid too."

"Now that I've cleaned up the crime scene, I just need a place to dump the bodies."

"Did that f**king farmer see me drag the kid's body into the woods? Better make sure he's dead too..."

It was all fine when Third-World nations paid for the failures of capitalism. The more it fails, the more they have to dump on people closer to home.

nomoba

14th February 2015, 20:26

Support the Greek people's fight against deadly austerity

On Sunday 15/02 the Greek people will demand that their right to freedom, democracy, justice, equality and dignity are respected. These should be unconditional axioms for “civilized” Europe.

Support our efforts which constitute the most crucial fight for democracy, the contemporary Hot-Gates for Greece, Europe and the whole world.

It`s now or never!

Please take the initiative! Organize an event with the same title as this, invite people and send the link here.

https://www.facebook.com/events/905611336125794/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular (https://www.facebook.com/events/905611336125794/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular)

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zT6Kb4WezFQA.kLAUyEABfmRg (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zT6Kb4WezFQA.kLAUyEABfmRg)

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2015/02/support-greek-peoples-fight-against.html

cyu

26th February 2015, 15:53

“What is money? It is the flash of a firefly in the night. It is the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset.”
- Apologies to Crowfoot

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-26/greek-bank-run-leads-biggest-monthly-cash-drain-history-january-deposits-plunge-2005

the Troika did everything in its power to accelerate the bank run in order to crush any negotiating leverage Varoufakis may have.

the total amount of Greek deposits has tumbled down 7.7% from the month before, and down 10% since November.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/02/greek%20corporate%20deposits_0.jpg

ckaihatsu

26th February 2015, 16:23

the Troika did everything in its power to accelerate the bank run in order to crush any negotiating leverage Varoufakis may have.

Hmmmmmm, this doesn't make sense -- the interests of international holdings wouldn't be for a *decrease* in relative solvency (deposits), any more than they would want a bank heist.

How desperate would they have to be to 'pay' in economic capital for the 'political capital' against Varoufakis, in this scenario that's being claimed -- ? And Varoufakis, with all of Syriza, has been *cooperative* with the Troika, *not* using any antagonistic negotiating leverage as is being implied here.

ckaihatsu

27th February 2015, 20:01

"Following the Agreement Between the Greek Government and Its Creditors: Questions and Answers" -- by Dominique Ferré (from Informations Ouvrières, February 25, 2015)

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Following the Agreement Between the Greek Government and Its Creditors:

Questions and Answers

By Dominique Ferré

[reprinted from Issue No. 340 – February 25, 2015 – of Informations Ouvriéres [Labor News], the weekly newspaper of the Independent Workers Party (POI) of France]

What did the Greek government agree to with the European institutions?

The Greek government agreed on February 20 to come up with a "program of reforms" that it will implement in exchange for a four-month extension on funding and "financial support."

Late in the night of February 23, the Greek government sent its program of reforms to Brussels. This program must now be reviewed and approved by the European Commission, the European Central Bank (ECB), and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) -- that is, the three institutions that make up the Troika. It must then be approved by the finance ministers of the Eurozone.

What "reforms" has the Greek government committed to implement?

As this article goes to press, the detailed program has not yet been made public. The only thing disclosed thus far is an “overview” distributed by the Greek government. It’s a document that the daily French newspaper Le Monde characterized as an attempt to "reconcile two contradictory positions: austerity and anti-austerity."

"Athens promises to wage a fight against tax evasion, corruption, smuggling of gasoline and cigarettes, and the reorganization of the public service to decrease the bureaucracy," in the words of Agence France-Presse (AFP), “while reaffirming a whole series of measures in favor of the poor: free electricity for 300,000 families in need, free healthcare services, distribution of food aid and transportation vouchers for low-income people.”

An illustration of the seemingly contradictory character of the measures to be implemented is the following:

"Privatizations -- which had been excluded categorically from an earlier ‘to-do’ list by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras -- have been reinstated in the new government’s list of commitments, and this includes the port of Piraeus," writes Le Figaro on February 24. The Tsipras government had initially announced a halt to the process of privatization of the port, reversing a concession that been promised by the previous Sampras government to a Chinese company. But, as Le Figaro also notes, there is also a "return of the collective-bargaining agreements and a 200-euro increase in the minimum wage.”

What is the meaning of the "fight against cronyism and corruption" in public administration?

In an interview with the Swiss newspaper Le Temps, Greek Deputy Minister of Administrative Reform Giorgos Katrougalos stated, "I'll make use of the technical advice of the Task Force to deal with cronyism in the public sector, and I will ask ADEDY [the public service trade union] if it would agree to cooperate with this Task Force by accepting its technical assistance, for example, in relation to the system of evaluating civil servants, a system that must be clear and effective.”

“The problem,” Katrougalos continued, “is that previous systems were designed not as tools for a genuine assessment of performance, but rather as an excuse to lay off employees. It is therefore necessary to clearly differentiate between layoffs and evaluation, the latter being a means to improve public administration and not a punishment.”

In this regard, a trade unionist was quoted asking the following question: "With all our colleagues, we fought against the ‘evaluations’ of the Samaras government. Is it the role of trade unions to ‘cooperate’ with the government (whatever its political stripe) and with the international institutions to help them organize a system to evaluate our wages?"

What are the European Commission, the European Central Bank (ECB), the IMF and the Eurogroup saying about the measures?

On the morning of February 24, the European Commission announced that the list of measures sent by the Greek government was "sufficiently complete to be a valid starting point. . . . We are particularly encouraged by the strong commitment to combat tax evasion and corruption.” The EC went on to add that Greece must now "be more specific in its commitments." The spokesperson for the Eurogroup stated that, "this list is a first step, it is not a new Memorandum."

This balancing act is explained by the fact that the European institutions -- in deep crisis and facing the risk of a meltdown -- need to be able to count on the involvement of the Greek government, without which they cannot carry out their agenda, on behalf of finance capital, against the workers and people of Greece. That was the message of Obama, who on CNN called for "the continued implementation of the reforms” and “the continued payment of the debt" – taking a hard line, but understanding at the same time that everything still could blow up in Europe.

What were the reactions in Syriza?

The New York Times (February 22) ran a lead story under the headline, “Greece’s Leaders Face a Revolt at Home as They Try to Appease Creditors.” Manolis Glezos, a member of the European Parliament for Syriza, recalled the meaning of the Greek elections of January 25, 2015, in which “the people voted for what Syriza promised -- that is, to abolish the austerity plan." Giving voice to the growing anger, he went so far as to state: "I apologize to the Greek people because I participated in creating this illusion.”

But does this mean that the Greek people are back to square one; that they are in the same situation they were in before January 25?

First, as noted by many activists, the Tsipras government -- in keeping with what Syriza had pledged before the election -- has always stated that it would not pursue leaving the Eurozone or breaking with the European Union. On the other hand, nothing has been settled.

Panayiotis Lafazanis, the minister of Transportation and Energy, said: "Any transitional arrangement must be compatible with the government’s program." But that’s the rub: While Brussels and the IMF welcomed some of the measures taken by the Tsipras government, other measurers, such as the return of the collective-bargaining agreements, which had been annulled in recent years, and the raising the minimum wage to its pre-crisis levels pose an altogether different problem. In the words of the French financial daily Les Echos, these measures announced by Tsipras, “destroy the competitive gains achieved with great pains since 2010.”

What have been the reactions of the Greek workers and people?

While not knowing the details of the measures, the workers, youth, and trade unionists expressed conflicting views.

“I'm relieved,” a Syriza voter told Le Monde. “I feared a sterile confrontation that would cut us off from Europe." Her cousin, however, took a different stance: "I voted for them to put an end to austerity -- not for them to extend it for four months or more!"

Within the working class, the announcement of the first measures that represent a partial break with the Memorandum has led many organizations to reassert their demands. Thus, following on the heels of the statement by POE-OTA, the union of municipal employees, ADEDY, the federation of government workers, denounced the drive by the ECB, the European Union and the Eurozone "to ignore the will of the Greek people." The ADEDY statement called for “the cancellation of the Memorandum and all its measures” and for “the immediate cancellation of the debt."

A few hours after the Greek prime minister's speech, one thing is certain: The Greek people have not given up fighting for the mandate that they gave the new government on January 25. Sofia Sakorafa, another member of the European Parliament for Syriza, stated, “The people gave a mandate for the Memorandum to be annulled. We have no political justification to do the opposite.”

cyu

5th March 2015, 02:47

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-04/imf-director-admits-greek-bailout-was-save-german-french-banks

For the first time in public, though practically the entire world assumed it, an official from The IMF has admitted that the various Greek bailouts were not for The Greeks at all... "They gave money to save German and French banks, not Greece,” one of the Executive Directors of International Monetary Fund told Greek TV.

ckaihatsu

5th March 2015, 19:20

First Reactions Inside Greece to the "Reform Program" Approved by the Eurogroup -- by Dominique Ferré (reprinted from Informations

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First Reactions Inside Greece to the "Reform Program" Approved by the Eurogroup

By Dominique Ferré

[Note: The following article is reprinted from Issue No. 341 (March 5, 2015) of Informations Ouvrières (Labor News), the weekly newspaper of the Independent Workers Party of France (POI).]

After the publication of the list of "reforms" that the Greek government forwarded to the creditors of Greece -- and that were "validated" by them -- what is the situation?

In the Greek working class, among the layers of the population that have been hit by five years of policies of social destruction imposed by the "Memorandum," opinions are divided. Many workers who voted Syriza say -- as was the case of these construction workers interviewed by one of our Greek correspondents: "You have to give the government a bit more time. It’s not so simple; they have the entire world against them -- the European Central Bank (ECB), the IMF, the European governments. . . ."

That said, as highlighted by Stathis Kouvelakis, a member of the Central Committee of Syriza, the agreement is not a victory given that "the agreement stipulates that the Greek government will repay its creditors, and on time.” The agreement, moreover, establishes "that the country will accept to be placed under the supervision of the ‘institutions’ – the new name of the Troika[1] -- and that “the government commits itself not to take any unilateral action that could endanger the budgetary objectives set forth by the creditors."

But herein lies the problem, as Kouvelakis noted: "The restoration of labor legislation . . . as well as the rehiring of laid-off public employees, the restoration of electricity for households that had their power cut off, or the reconstitution of the ERT (public radio and television)” . . . all these commitments "have clashed with the dictates of the European Union and the Troika."

And Kouvelakis concluded: "The problem is right there. . . . You cannot break with the policies of austerity and the mechanisms of the Memorandum without confronting the European Union. . . . Any political force that seeks to take issue with, let alone go against, the dominant policy directives in relation to economic policy, must break with such directives; this is an indispensable condition"[2].

But though they may want to "give the government a bit more time," the workers are not about to give up fighting for their demands. On Thursday, February 26, the leadership of the OLME, the teachers' union, was received at the Ministry of Education, where they demanded that the thousands of laid-off teachers be rehired.

It was a face-to-face meeting between a Syriza government minister and the union president, also a member of Syriza, who, as it turns out, had also been laid off. One of our Greek correspondents commented on this meeting as follows: “The Greek unions are not about to throw in the towel.”

It is in this context that one must understand the importance of the vote that took place at the Central Committee of Syriza this past weekend.

Alexis Tsipras[3], came to the meeting to defend the terms of the agreement with the Eurogroup, and he was faced with the vote by 41% of the members of the Central Committee[4] in support of a resolution titled "We disagree with the list of measures signed with the Eurogroup" (with 55% voting against and 4% abstaining). These measures, according to the resolution, are "in total contradiction with the electoral commitments of Syriza. In the coming days, Syriza must immediately enact measures in accordance with its electoral commitments, whatever commitments it may have made to the Eurogroup."

In other words, Syriza must heed the will of the Greek people expressed in the vote of January 25, 2015.

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Endnotes

[1] Troika: The European Central Bank, the IMF and the European Union

[2] Concerning the attitude of French President François Hollande, who some in France have called upon to come to the rescue of Greece, Stathis Kouvelakis replied: "You cannot implement a policy of austerity and vote for the anti-labor Macron Law, on the one hand, and provide political help to a country that wants to break with austerity, on the other."

[3] Alex Tsipras, member of Syriza, is the new Greek prime minister.

[4] A vote by 41% of the Central Committee means that the resolution was submitted and approved by forces in Syriza beyond those of the “Left Platform.”

Ele'ill

6th April 2015, 14:41

http://anarchistnews.org/content/hunger-strike-conspiracy-cells-fire-was-victorious-greece

32 days, the hunger strike became a daily, slow torment of death, in order for us not to make truce with the absolute death of emotional blackmail. An insidious blackmail which authority wanted to impose on us by abducting and keeping our relatives as hostages in prison. 32 days of hunger strike, every fading beat of our heart, reminded us of the promise we made together when we met for the last time, “Let’s go, until freedom …”.

cyu

12th June 2015, 12:06

Greece was warned by a group of European Union officials in Brussels it had less than 24 hours to come up with a serious counter-proposal

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-11/europe-gives-greece-24-hours-comply-germany-draws-capital-control-plans

So, what would an anarchist "counter-proposal" be? Clearly not bothering to negotiate with any self-proclaimed authorities at all. Seize the means of production like any good leftists would. Ignore national borders like any good anarchists would. Help leftists in other EU countries seize the means of production by arming them.

What happens to the stock market if leftists are seizing the means of production, or even seem likely to seize the means of production? It would crash of course. There is no value in claiming to "own" something if the employees just ignore the "owner". What would that do to the ruling class if their investment portfolio is almost entirely tied up in the stock market? Panic :lol:

cyu

19th June 2015, 16:17

When you've got a system built on fraud and corruption, it can be sustained only by more fraud and corruption (and maybe a little violence).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-19/imf-trained-greek-journalists-washington-spin-stories-favor-troika

Greece’s former representative to the IMF said several Greek journalists were “trained” in Washington D.C. in order to support the positions of the IMF and the European Commission in Greek media.

the seminars and training classes took place in Washington D.C., as well as various sessions taking place in Greece.

“Christine Lagarde and other high officials at the IMF contacted me before my testimony before the committee to remind me that members of the IMF are immune from prosecution.”

LuÃs Henrique

27th June 2015, 13:48

The Feral Underclass

27th June 2015, 13:52

Well, it seems that Greece will default, after all. Unless somehow the people votes for austerity in the referendum their government is now calling.

It is time to Europe to concede, or face the consequences.

Luís Henrique

According to a KKE member who has posted in my thread, it is not so clear whether they will default. Apparently that doesn't seem like the option that will be available in the referendum.

LuÃs Henrique

28th June 2015, 02:50

Well, the shit hit the fan.

There is no deal, and Greece will have to take stern measures starting Monday. Likely they are going into a bank holyday, either until next week end referendum, or at least until they can enforce controls on withdrawals.

Greek banks are going insolvent next week; they will need to be either nationalised or saved by the government. Either option needs minting; it looks like the drachma is coming back from Hades' realm.

Either that or some political decision stops the process and restarts the negotiations.

Luís Henrique

LuÃs Henrique

28th June 2015, 15:07

According to a KKE member who has posted in my thread, it is not so clear whether they will default. Apparently that doesn't seem like the option that will be available in the referendum.

They will default because they do not have the money to pay the loans, not because they will vote for default.

Luís Henrique

cyu

29th June 2015, 13:40

And here’s Citi’s take: Unless there is a change of government in Greece (or a major change of views among the institutions), the slide into Grexit would be very likely, even though it might take a long time.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/sell-side-reacts-europes-lehman-weekend

In other words, the only way to ensure slavery in all the colonies, is to re-confirm slavery in one colony.

cyu

30th June 2015, 12:28

"There have been some people that worry that the military may actually get involved. It wouldn't surprise me - there are some people in Greece that have raised the whole prospect of potential civil war."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/mood-ground-greece-some-have-raised-prospect-civil-war

Slave owners would prefer to plant the idea that field slaves should kill each other, than let house slaves get the idea they can kill the slave owners.

cyu

2nd July 2015, 23:38

new elections would be necessary if the Greek people vote for the reform programme and thus for remaining in the eurozone and Tsipras, as a logical consequence, resigns."

The time between the departure of Tsipras' hard-left Syriza party and new elections would have to "be bridged with a technocratic government, so that we can continue to negotiate," Schulz was quoted as saying.

Schulz charged that Tsipras was "unpredictable and manipulates the people of Greece, in a way which has almost demagogical traits."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-02/eu-parliament-president-tells-greecetime-another-puppet-government

I suppose Nat Turner was a demagogue and Robert E Lee was a proper technocrat.

cyu

8th July 2015, 13:19

Greece has essentially capitulated to Troika demands which will come with far harsher terms and even more austerity, just to keep the myth that Greece is an "equal member" in the Eurozone, yet virtually all the proceeds will go back to repaying the ECB, the IMF and other official taxpayer-backed European creditors as well as the occasional private holdout creditor.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/greece-caves-formally-requests-esm-bailout-full-headline-and-next-steps-summary

Just goes to show that the same tactics used to strongarm Third World nations in Latin America and Africa, also works on small European nations. But there's a reason there are laws against bribery, blackmail, intimidation, and other types of corruption - too much of a bad thing, and you have to resort to riot police - the lagging indicator of failed states.

cyu

8th July 2015, 21:05

IMF Slams Germany, Says Greece "Needs Debt Restructuring"

IMF'S LAGARDE SAYS DEBT RESTRUCTURING NEEDED IN GREECE
IMF'S LAGARDE SAYS FUND REMAINS 'FULLY ENGAGED' WITH GREECE
IMF'S LAGARDE SAYS IMF CANNOT GIVE GREECE SPECIAL TREATMENT

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/imf-slams-germany-says-greece-needs-debt-restructuring

Right, and I bet the Democrats and Republicans are "different" political parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop

http://precisionchoreo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/logo-slider-1024x506.png

cyu

16th July 2015, 00:25

http://northportsevs.com/img/memento/lies1.jpg

New research by IMF concludes "trickle down economics" is wrong: "the benefits do not trickle down" -- "When the top earners in society make more money, it actually slows down economic growth. On the other hand, when poorer people earn more, society as a whole benefits."

http://www.reddit.com/r/economy/comments/3a0em8/new_research_by_imf_concludes_trickle_down/

While the above is true, the IMF cannot be trusted. The IMF is like the man who beats his spouse. He'll apologize profusely when you threaten to leave. He'll buy you flowers, lots of flowers. Then when he's won you back, he beats you again. This is because the IMF is run by sociopaths.

cyu

16th July 2015, 22:01

the IMF violated its own principles by not allowing Greece to default on major international banks before granting it a loan.

Finland’s Foreign Minister Timo Soini said this week about the idea of a third Greek bailout round: “the Finnish public can’t understand that this is allowed to continue”.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-16/why-third-greek-bailout-bad-idea

That's because the Troika isn't actually trying to bail out Greece, they are really just trying to bail out themselves.

http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-J.-Paul-Getty-if-you-owe-the-bank-100-thats-38629.png

cyu

22nd July 2015, 14:36

The Greek leader is fighting for political survival after abandoning his opposition to austerity earlier this month with his country on the brink of financial collapse. He’s trying to hold off elections long enough to steer the country through the bailout negotiations.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-22/tsipras-fights-keep-greek-bailout-alive-amid-party-rebellion-full-vote-preview

When banks cannot maintain the illusion that large debtors will give them money, then it may trigger a bank run that cascades into general bank failure around the world. When bankers panic, they make sure their politicians panic, who then make sure "leaders" of debtor nations panic.

Such is the irony of being a king or the center of a neo-colonial empire. When you're the king, you may be rich, but you no longer produce anything yourself. You can only stay rich if your colonies continue to give you the things they produce. If that stops, then your wealth collapses. If you've let your own ability to produce things atrophy, then you're bound for the same starvation you used to laughed at in others.

cyu

4th August 2015, 00:33

The benchmark index in Athens opened nearly 23% lower, with banking stocks the biggest losers.

Greece suspended all trading at the end of June when the country fell into default on its debt. Capital controls were introduced, including the closure of banks and financial markets, to prevent billions of euros from flooding out of the country.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/investing/greece-stock-market-crash

The more the stock market crashes, the less reason there is for capitalists to oppose employee takeovers of their companies, since according to capitalist valuations, the companies are worthless anyway :grin: When employees rule a company, however, there is a difference in valuation between capitalists and employees - to capitalists the company is worthless, since employee control means 0 capitalist control - to employees, it's the exact opposite.

The more banks have invested in the stock market, the more banks you would expect to fail. If there is no cash to use, all the more reason to switch to alternatives. If gold bugs think they can back currency with worthless rocks, it should be even easier to back money with something worthwhile - an employee controlled tire company might back notes with tires, an employee controlled ceramic tile company might back notes with ceramic tiles.

ckaihatsu

4th August 2015, 02:35

[I]t should be even easier to back money with something worthwhile - an employee controlled tire company might back notes with tires, an employee controlled ceramic tile company might back notes with ceramic tiles.

Oh, yeah -- just remembered the issue I'd have with this conception of a transitional worker-controlled economy -- how would the *exchange rates* of currency-to-tires or currency-to-ceramic-tiles be determined -- ?? -- !

Pies Must Line Up

http://s6.postimg.org/5wpihv9ip/140415_2_Pies_Must_Line_Up_xcf_jpg.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/erqcsdyb1/full/)

cyu

4th August 2015, 04:20

I could just say market forces will determine exchange rates, but I'd have to cringe when I say that, since ultimately I'd prefer a gift economy. I see company-issued notes as more a stop gap measure, but when you're forced down an untraveled branch, you can never foresee all problems, so some bridges will just have to be built when you get there. For example, if companies are already issuing their own money, how do you move from that towards a gift economy? I would start by protecting the right of people to take whatever they need to survive - for example, protect people who are hungry when they decide to take food - protect the sick when they decide to take medicine. When survival is no longer a pressing issue, then it's up to people with psychological skill to recruit them into necessary activities. The ruling class tends to blame "lazy people" when they refuse to be recruited, but I would blame the recruiters. If the media can brainwash men to pay for short hair and neckties, and women to pay for long hair and dresses, then blaming others for being lazy is just an excuse for their own incompetence.

ckaihatsu

4th August 2015, 04:48

I could just say market forces will determine exchange rates, but I'd have to cringe when I say that, since ultimately I'd prefer a gift economy.

Okay, yes, a gift economy, as quickly as possible, would *always* be preferable -- mostly for its simplicity. Hopefully its social effectiveness would fully manifest as well (relatively high levels of voluntary participation).

I see company-issued notes as more a stop gap measure, but when you're forced down an untraveled branch, you can never foresee all problems, so some bridges will just have to be built when you get there.

I can appreciate what you're saying about initiative, but -- especially with these matters of such fundamental importance (political economy) -- I would *far* prefer to see things spelled-out, laid-out, and checked-off-on in advance.

Also, I don't get the point of 'company-issued notes' in the first place -- what would *these* represent exactly, and what would be the nominal value of each note in relation to the company and what it produces -- ?

For example, if companies are already issuing their own money, how do you move from that towards a gift economy?

I'll leave off on this question for now since you may want to define the 'company notes' to begin with.

I would start by protecting the right of people to take whatever they need to survive - for example, protect people who are hungry when they decide to take food - protect the sick when they decide to take medicine.

While I have no differences with this *in principle*, it's tangibly sounding like Mad-Max-style post-apocalyptic tribalism -- what happens if 'Protectorate A' wants the food and medicine for its own people that 'Protectorate B' is on the verge of obtaining -- ?

(And how would the production of *new* supplies of food and medicine be handled -- ?)

When survival is no longer a pressing issue, then it's up to people with psychological skill to recruit them into necessary activities. The ruling class tends to blame "lazy people" when they refuse to be recruited, but I would blame the recruiters. If the media can brainwash men to pay for short hair and neckties, and women to pay for long hair and dresses, then blaming others for being lazy is just an excuse for their own incompetence.

'People with psychological skill' -- ?

'Recruit' -- ?

'Necessary activities' -- ?

In what kind of socio-political context is all of this taking place?

cyu

4th August 2015, 05:04

cyu

4th August 2015, 05:09

'People with psychological skill' -- ?
'Recruit' -- ?

For example, people who work in a company's advertising department, people who work in human resources, people who work in the mass media.

'Necessary activities' -- ?

Yep, everyone has a different opinion as to what is necessary and what isn't. What one recruiter says is necessary may not be what another recruiter says is necessary. (Similarly, what one advertiser says is awesome may not be what another advertiser says is awesome.) If a recruiter is not able to get people to join his cause, then it is quite possible that his project is not necessary after all. (Similarly, if an advertiser is not able to get people to buy his product, then it is quite possible that his product is not awesome after all.)

ckaihatsu

4th August 2015, 05:27

One of the problems Greece has right now is that banks are limiting how much money people can withdraw from their account. If you can't withdraw money, then how can any Greeks get groceries or pay for electricity, or whatever? This problem is what company-issued notes are meant to solve. If people's banks are not on the verge of collapse, then they would probably not see this as a pressing issue.

But if there is indeed a shortage of cash, then your ceramic tile company, for example, can count how many tiles they have in their warehouse. Let's say they have 1000 tiles. Then they can draw up some 1 tile notes, some 10 tile notes, some 100 tile notes, etc ...as long as they add up to 1000. The company can then use these notes to pay for supplies. Why would anybody accept these notes? It works just like the gold standard, except the notes are actually backed by something with real intrinsic value (unlike gold).

Okay, so this is effectively barter-by-scrip. But then how is *labor* to be estimated, and paid-for, using this system -- ?

Would there be *exchanges* of some kind, so that people can exchange scrip notes for other scrip notes, and how would this be organized (under what auspices) -- ?

Also I don't see how these scrip notes would be compatible with payments to state utilities, such as for electricity.

Sorry to be so critical, but I think the entire *world* can do better -- all of this needs to be *politicized* so that broadly consistent *solutions* like debt forgiveness and social services can be implemented, in the favor of the people's interests as a whole group.

cyu

4th August 2015, 05:38

Not sure what the difference is between "barter-by-scrip" and money? To me, it's all the same. Currently, money is issued by nations, and people trust it for one reason or another. This just happens to be money issued by groups of employees, who, like good anarchists ;) assume all the powers that nations claim, including the right to issue money.

If something currently works with nation-issued money, the same processes work with employee-issued money.

I think the entire *world* can do better
Exactly - as mentioned above, this is just a stop gap, since I prefer a gift economy. Ultimately I would not have companies have to use notes at all - instead, anybody who needs what a company produces, just shows up and takes it - for free. Capitalists would then balk at how anybody can be motivated if things are just taken for free, which goes right back to what is discussed at http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2846035&postcount=154

ckaihatsu

4th August 2015, 06:04

Not sure what the difference is between "barter-by-scrip" and money?

You said the 'company notes' could only be backed, according to each kind of company-note, by the products of each respective company.

So there'd be notes-for-tires and notes-for-ceramic-tiles, which would be two different kinds of notes.

I think you might see how this would be distinct from a regular national currency, or money.

Would you like to return to the questions I raised about scrip-note implementation -- ?

To me, it's all the same. Currently, money is issued by nations, and people trust it for one reason or another. This just happens to be money issued by groups of employees, who, like good anarchists ;) assume all the powers that nations claim, including the right to issue money.

If something currently works with nation-issued money, the same processes work with employee-issued money.

I'm still not seeing the point -- if you don't mind -- once there are scrip notes that represent every real tangible object of use-value, what happens to the scrip notes -- ? How are they put into circulation? What is the relation between labor, as for producing *more* of whatever (tires and ceramic tiles), and the receipt of scrip notes?

Exactly - as mentioned above, this is just a stop gap, since I prefer a gift economy. Ultimately I would not have companies have to use notes at all - instead, anybody who needs what a company produces, just shows up and takes it - for free.

Again, this is far more preferable.

Capitalists would then balk at how anybody can be motivated if things are just taken for free, which goes right back to what is discussed at http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2846035&postcount=154

cyu

4th August 2015, 06:17

The world is not one nation yet, so there are many many nations that issue their own currency. Yet international trade still works, despite these nations each issuing their own money. How does international trade work between nations with different currencies? Companies that issue different money can conduct transactions in the same way nations conduct international trade today.

How are they put into circulation?

The same way a gold standard is supposed to work. If the tile company produces 50 tiles, then they issue 50 tile notes. If someone actually wants a tile, and has a one tile note, then they go to the company and redeem the note for a physical tile. The note can then be destroyed. That's basically how gold-backed money is intended to work - except people can actually use tiles.

I wouldn't imagine every single company will issue notes - just whoever feels like it - if some company doesn't feel like issuing their own notes, they can just use another company's notes. For example, if the tile company pays their supplier using tile notes, their supplier might decide to conduct all transactions using tile notes.

This is intended for people who are still used to conducting business in the old capitalist way. For example, they might not trust that a gift economy will actually be implemented, so they still want something real to hang on to - in this case, they can hang on to tile notes, or tire notes, or wheat bushel notes, or oil barrel notes, and do business like they used to - until they feel secure enough that a gift economy has really taken hold.

ckaihatsu

4th August 2015, 06:25

If someone actually wants a tile, and has a one tile note

How does one *obtain* a one-tile note?

cyu

4th August 2015, 06:29

All the notes come from the tile company. If the tile company paid their suppliers using tile notes, then their suppliers will be another source of tile notes. If tile company employees pay for groceries using tile notes, then those grocery stores will be another source of tile notes. If their tile suppliers pay for electricity using tile notes, then the power company employees will be another source of tile notes.

ckaihatsu

4th August 2015, 06:34

ckaihatsu

11th May 2016, 19:56

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/05/09/pers-m09.html

Greek workers strike against Syriza’s austerity policies
9 May 2016

Over the weekend, masses of workers across Greece joined in a general strike and tens of thousands demonstrated against the package of brutal austerity measures adopted by the Syriza (Coalition of the Radical Left) government and passed by the Greek parliament Sunday night. In Athens, many thousands took to the streets, shouting slogans such as “Rise up to throw out the government, the EU and the IMF!” and “No to the dismantling of social security!”

The three-day strike shut down large parts of the Greek economy. Subway, bus and train drivers, teachers, public servants, journalists, ferry staff, rubbish collectors and workers in the private sector participated. Even owners of kiosks and small shops stopped work.

This did not prevent Syriza from voting in parliament for €5.4 billion in regressive tax hikes and €1.8 billion in pension cuts. The measures include an increase in the value-added tax (sales tax) from 23 percent to 24 percent, a tax hike for low-paid workers and small businesses, and a 20 percent rise in employee pension contributions for many sections of the work force.

These attacks are only the latest in a series of reactionary social measures carried out by the Syriza government of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. It previously increased pension contributions, cut benefits and raised the retirement age to 67. These cuts have hit broad swathes of the population in a country where, due to mass unemployment and the European Union’s shredding of the social safety net, workers’ income has fallen by 30 percent and entire families are forced to survive on meagre pensions. In addition, public assets have been privatized, leading to more wage and job cuts.

The powerful response to the strike call against the Tsipras government, elected in January 2015 on the basis of pledges to end the austerity measures dictated by the European Union, is the result of this bitter experience. Millions of workers are drawing definite conclusions about Syriza. It is increasingly being seen for what it is: a reactionary bourgeois government serving the interests of European and international capital. The supposedly “left” Syriza party is a tool of the CIA and the banks, determined to defend the European Union and rescue the bankrupt Greek capitalist class by reducing the working class to destitution.

This weekend’s general strike signals a renewal of struggle by the Greek working class after the shock and demoralization caused by Syriza’s betrayal. This struggle must take as its point of departure the lessons of the bitter experience with Syriza in 2015.

Syriza came to power by tapping into mass opposition to the EU, the International Monetary Fund and the banks after four years of devastating austerity. The organization had long operated on the periphery of the social democratic PASOK party, which first implemented the EU’s austerity demands. Tsipras himself had been thoroughly vetted in the course of visits to Washington and the major European capitals before he was allowed to take office.

The implications of Syriza’s alignment with American and European imperialism began to emerge immediately upon the party’s taking office, when Tsipras named the far-right Independent Greeks as its coalition partner. Syriza did nothing to mobilize the vast opposition to austerity not only within Greece, but across Europe, which had been building up in the course of seven years of economic crisis. Instead, after a few weeks in power, Syriza repudiated its election promise to end the EU austerity program and agreed to continue the so-called bailout on the terms demanded by the EU, the IMF and the European Central Bank.

When a decisive majority of the Greek population voted “no” in the July 5 referendum on EU austerity, Syriza ignored the vote and agreed to new cuts that went far beyond the measures accepted by its social democratic and conservative predecessors. Under Syriza, the social crisis has intensified, with official unemployment currently standing at 25 percent and a third of households living in poverty.

The class character of Syriza and all of the petty-bourgeois pseudo-left organizations that promoted it as a “progressive” alternative for the working class stands starkly exposed. The deeper the capitalist crisis and the sharper the tensions within the EU, the more openly Syriza operates as a defender of Greek and European capitalism, working with the EU and international financial institutions to defend the privileges of its social base in the bourgeoisie and the upper-middle class.

Syriza has many accomplices in this political crime. Greece’s main trade unions are closely allied with Syriza and do all in their power to limit strikes and turn them into toothless protests. Pseudo-left groups around the world, from the International Socialist Organization in the United States to Germany’s Left Party and the New Anti-capitalist Party in France, hailed the Syriza government and covered for its treachery. They have worked either to directly subordinate the working class to Syriza or promote illusions that the Syriza government can be pressured from below to adopt a new, progressive course.

More than a year of this government has demonstrated that it cannot be turned into a defender of the interests of working people because it and its leading party, Syriza, are instruments of the capitalist class.

As the Greek working class renews its struggle, it must consciously set as its task the bringing down of the Syriza government and the revolutionary mobilization of workers, young people and all oppressed layers of society throughout Europe and internationally. It must wage a ruthless political struggle against Syriza and the entire fraternity of pseudo-left organizations, including the Stalinist Greek Communist Party (KKE), which criticizes Syriza from the standpoint of Greek nationalism while working with the trade unions to contain and smother working-class opposition.

The working class must take the fight out of the hands of the trade unions and establish its own organizations of struggle—strike committees completely independent of the union bureaucracies, the bourgeois parties and the state. These genuinely democratic fighting organizations will form the nucleus of organs of workers’ power.

As the International Committee of the Fourth International explained last November in its statement, The Political Lessons of Syriza’s Betrayal in Greece, “Events have proven that the working class cannot defend even its most minimal interests by relying on bourgeois governments, even those staffed by so-called ‘radical left’ parties, or by attempting to pressure such governments to carry out policies favourable to it. The policies of Syriza show that workers have no choice but to take the revolutionary road.”

Christoph Vandreier

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