Are there any right wing or fascist art or intellectual movements today?

[RadioRaheem84]

I was watching the movie the Believer with Ryan Gosling and it featured a small tight right wing reactionary intellectual movement of fascists. That peaked my interests because with all the class warfare being unleashed today there has to be some movement in the US or Europe where right wing reactionary conservatism is chic. There has to be an art movement like the Dadaists, the Futurists and the German and Italian intellectuals of the pre-War era today that espouse right wing rhetoric. Or is it all in the working class neighborhoods today and white supremacist movement?

I mean I'm just waiting for the day when fascism or right wing reactionaries become chic stuff for the bougie art and intellectual scene.

[Roberto]

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[Astarte]

I was watching the movie the Believer with Ryan Gosling and it featured a small tight right wing reactionary intellectual movement of fascists. That peaked my interests because with all the class warfare being unleashed today there has to be some movement in the US or Europe where right wing reactionary conservatism is chic. There has to be an art movement like the Dadaists, the Futurists and the German and Italian intellectuals of the pre-War era today that espouse right wing rhetoric. Or is it all in the working class neighborhoods today and white supremacist movement?

I mean I'm just waiting for the day when fascism or right wing reactionaries become chic stuff for the bougie art and intellectual scene.

Here ya go: The National Review discovered the basic form of Socialist Realism a few months ago - that's gotta count for something, I guess?

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[RadioRaheem84]

That was probably in jest and I could see that as being Norman Rockwell-ish turned uber-propaganda.

[GerrardWinstanley]

I really should see that film again. Weirdest of weird lead characters. I think if there are any social circles around where fascism is 'chic', you might have more luck finding it in India than in North America or Europe (never say never though).

The closest approximation I can give is probably the avant garde author and poet Yukio Mishima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima). An urbane, trendy homosexual who adored the Japanese royal family (regarding them as a spiritual embodiment of the nation) and participated in an attempted coup with right-wing extremists in the early 1970's.

[GerrardWinstanley]

Of course, the German model Nico had some Nazi affinities and was an open racist (even committed a racist assault against a black woman at a dinner table according to one report I heard).

The problem is she wasn't much of an intellectual or even very intelligent, but it would be fair to say she was creative (and even had a solo music career after recording the Velvet Underground's first album).

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I remember several petty groups that were into Eliade, Evola, Danilevsky, people like that, but their "intellectual" status is... questionable.

[ed miliband]

I was watching the movie the Believer with Ryan Gosling and it featured a small tight right wing reactionary intellectual movement of fascists. That peaked my interests because with all the class warfare being unleashed today there has to be some movement in the US or Europe where right wing reactionary conservatism is chic. There has to be an art movement like the Dadaists, the Futurists and the German and Italian intellectuals of the pre-War era today that espouse right wing rhetoric. Or is it all in the working class neighborhoods today and white supremacist movement?

I mean I'm just waiting for the day when fascism or right wing reactionaries become chic stuff for the bougie art and intellectual scene.

uh, the dadaists were absolutely not "right-wing".

[evermilion]

uh, the dadaists were absolutely not "right-wing".

Julius Evola.

[ed miliband]

Julius Evola.

there's an exception. likewise there were "left-wing" futurists around the likes of renzo novatore. the dadaists broke links with futurists over their militarism and nationalism.

[evermilion]

there's an exception. likewise there were "left-wing" futurists around the likes of renzo novatore. the dadaists broke links with futurism as a result of their militarism and nationalism.

Seriously, can no one on RevLeft ever admit to being wrong even just once?

[ed miliband]

Seriously, can no one on RevLeft ever admit to being wrong even just once?

how am i wrong?

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Seriously, can no one on RevLeft ever admit to being wrong even just once?

Admitting factual inaccuracy is revisionist!

[evermilion]

how am i wrong?


uh, the dadaists were absolutely not "right-wing".


there's an exception. likewise there were "left-wing" futurists around the likes of renzo novatore. the dadaists broke links with futurists over their militarism and nationalism.

Julius Evola and his Dadaist colleagues were right-wing. If there are exceptions, than there is nothing "absolute" about Dada's political allegiance.

[ed miliband]

Julius Evola and his Dadaist colleagues were right-wing. If there are exceptions, than there is nothing "absolute" about Dada's political allegiance.

so i'm not really wrong, you're being pedantic. dadaism as a movement was not right-wing. on the whole it was split between anarchists and "marxists" (in that confused, bohemian way), the likes of tristan tzara ended up in the official communist parties.

[evermilion]

so i'm not really wrong, you're being pedantic. dadaism as a movement was not right-wing. on the whole it was split between anarchists and "marxists" (in that confused, bohemian way), the likes of tristan tzara ended up in the official communist parties.

What did I tell you? It's like they can't physically accept that maybe they made a mistake.

Comrade, the people who make up the movement were of different political allegiances. Maybe a lot of them were leftist, but there's nothing inherently leftist about Dada. That there were several right-wing Dadaists, and that one of them was aide to Mussolini, means that, no, it is not true to say that Dada was "absolutely not" right-wing, not by any stretch.

[Astarte]

That was probably in jest and I could see that as being Norman Rockwell-ish turned uber-propaganda.

I honestly do not think that image published on the cover of an issue of the National Review was in jest. If you do not believe that image was precisely modeled on the adjacent worker/peasant motif please look closer as a. the semi-worms eye perspective view in both pictures are identical b. the positioning and perspective angles of the bodies and likewise the over the shoulder turn of the head and far-away "visionary" stare are also identical c. the flag in both romeny's and the worker's grip is even flowing in the exact same type of curvature. I am not sure why the National Review would create an image like this in jest as conservative propaganda media outlets are not often want to poking fun at themselves during a heated election season; i.e. when this image was released.

EDIT: Also, futurism, contrary to popular belief, was not completely monopolized by the right, there were indeed at least a few Soviet futurists, most notably Mayakovsky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Futurism

[Crixus]

I was watching the movie the Believer with Ryan Gosling and it featured a small tight right wing reactionary intellectual movement of fascists. That peaked my interests because with all the class warfare being unleashed today there has to be some movement in the US or Europe where right wing reactionary conservatism is chic.

This person has been touring talk shows on TV/Radio and news stations.

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Not sure how chic he's trying to be but he is trying to wrap intellectualism around idiocy. A lot of young fascists are regurgitating his arguments.

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[Bronco]

The League of Saint George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Saint_George) perhaps?

They're not really that active now, and they are a white supremacist movement, but from the wiki article:


In the 1970s the League became a political home for the more intellectual adherents of "Neo-Nazi" ideology, particularly those who wanted a united Europe with a European-derived population, a continuation of Mosley's Europe a Nation policy. Alongside this the League also followed Mosley's lead in endorsing Irish republicanism, something of a change from their contemporaries in the British far right who reserved their support for Ulster loyalism.[3] The League was never intended to be a political party, but more of a social, intellectual, and cultural organization, albeit with the ultimate political aim of promoting European people and their culture. Intended as an exclusive club for what were seen as the leading minds on the British far right, its membership tended to be restricted to around 50–100 members.[4] Indeed membership of the League was restricted to those invited to join only

[melvin]

black metal is not explicitly fascist (though sometimes it is, in the case of Burzum or any national socialist black metal band), but it is for the most part a right wing musical movement. almost all of the 90's norwegian black metal bands that were not explicitly fascist were anti-semitic, homophobic, and nationalist, and the scene overall was all of those things.

[Estragon]

black metal is not explicitly fascist (though sometimes it is, in the case of Burzum or any national socialist black metal band), but it is for the most part a right wing musical movement. almost all of the 90's norwegian black metal bands that were not explicitly fascist were anti-semitic, homophobic, and nationalist, and the scene overall was all of those things.

I used to have a slight infatuation with Norwegian Death Metal until I found out the scene's racism and political malarky. Normally I can separate the art from the artist's bullshit (I still read Pound for instance, and I love Yeats), but in this case we're not exactly talking art are we? There are better ways to get aggression out without supporting morons. These days I still like Opeth, though, because they are a great band and I don't think they are into all the white nationalism stuff.

As far as other scenes, there is a strong white supremacist undercurrent in hardcore punk (even to today), but then most hardcore punk sucks too (not all!). As far as intellectuals go, I think it's a bust. At least I can't think of any. Unless Christian Nationalism et al. counts as Fascist, and about that I have no idea (except that it's "intellectual" in only the most generous sense of the term).

[melvin]

I used to have a slight infatuation with Norwegian Death Metal until I found out the scene's racism and political malarky. Normally I can separate the art from the artist's bullshit (I still read Pound for instance, and I love Yeats), but in this case we're not exactly talking art are we? There are better ways to get aggression out without supporting morons. These days I still like Opeth, though, because they are a great band and I don't think they are into all the white nationalism stuff.black metal has a lot of connections to racism, anti-semitism, etc. but death metal doesn't, really. so I don't know what you mean about that.

[Astarte]

black metal has a lot of connections to racism, anti-semitism, etc. but death metal doesn't, really. so I don't know what you mean about that.

Death Metal doesn't? Lulz...

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[melvin]

slayer is absolutely not a death metal band (so what you're saying doesn't make sense on that basis), and they have no connection to right wing politics. they are also a half-white, half-latino band (at least, before jeff hanneman recently died). so the allegations of white supremacy that have been levelled against them are pretty laughable.

[blake 3:17]

Julius Evola and his Dadaist colleagues were right-wing. If there are exceptions, than there is nothing "absolute" about Dada's political allegiance.

Julius Evola had next to nothing to do with Dadaism.

Dadaism was either stridently anti-political and pacifist OR oriented towards Communism, as in the case of the Berlin Dadaists.

In the case of the French, they went from anti-political to pro-Communist, but as Surrealists.

Futurism predates the First War. Dadaism was a reaction against it.

[Yuppie Grinder]

The Neofolk and Martial Industrial scene deals heavily with fascism and the occult. They see themselves as brilliant intellectuals, but most of the musicians are really stupid even if some of the music is good.

[melvin]

there's still an existing nazi punk scene (mostly in the UK and western europe I think, but also distributed through resistance records in the US), though I doubt it's as prominent as it was back in the days when skrewdriver existed.

[evermilion]

there's still an existing nazi punk scene (mostly in the UK and western europe I think, but also distributed through resistance records in the US), though I doubt it's as prominent as it was back in the days when skrewdriver existed.

My understanding had always been that the U.K. "Nazi punk" scene adopted Third Reich imagery just to piss off the older generations, not to actually endorse fascism.

[Yuppie Grinder]

My understanding had always been that the U.K. "Nazi punk" scene adopted Third Reich imagery just to piss off the older generations, not to actually endorse fascism.

That was true of the Sex Pistols and Siouxsie Sioux and the Banshees. The Oi scene has been marred by shitty legit-Nazi bands since the early 80s, although there are a lot of left-wing bands as well. Cock Sparrer and The 4 Skins are representative of oi with actually good tunes and not evil politics.

[Rugged Collectivist]

there's an exception. likewise there were "left-wing" futurists around the likes of renzo novatore. the dadaists broke links with futurists over their militarism and nationalism.

Not to mention the Russian futurists, many of whom were Bolsheviks.

[melvin]

My understanding had always been that the U.K. "Nazi punk" scene adopted Third Reich imagery just to piss off the older generations, not to actually endorse fascism.not true.

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