Arguments against Monarchy

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I'm in a debate on Facebook with some kid my sisters friends with about communism, and he's defending monarchy as the best system. I honestly don't know too much about arguing that. What are some things I say?

[Brutus]

To justify a family ruling, the divine right theory is applied.
Use that if the person is atheistic.

It also allows for major fuck ups, as the monarch is always right as they have been given the position by God

[evermilion]

How could you possibly need any help with this?

I guess what you say all depends on what exactly he's promoting. Monarchy, as it exists in modern Western states, sees the monarch as a ceremonial head of state with little actual power. Monarchy in more traditional cases assigns much more power to a monarch, tending toward autocracy, but constitutional monarchies have existed wherein the monarch's powers, expansive as they were, were kept in check by aristocracies. And then there's the question of whether he's promoting hereditary monarchies.

[GerrardWinstanley]

Just mention what a carefully rehearsed media charade the monarchy actually is in England. A big fat lie sold to the British public, who develop an unhealthy sentimental attachment to the Windsor family, as illustrated by the hysterical outpouring of public grief for the death of Princess Diana that would make the Kim family blush.

Mention how in the UK, it is responsible for a rotten honours system that makes thieving bankers, corrupt ex-statespeople, arms merchants, executive police officers and outsourcing company heads 'respectable' with an OBE, peerage or knighthood

Hope that helps.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I wish I could help you but in my experience monarchists tend to vary widely in belief. You have to be more specific. I assume this person is an American so they aren't defending any existing monarchy but monarchy in the abstract? If this is the case you need to figure out what type of monarchy they favor. Some are absolutists. Some want to have an elected parliament.

[Geiseric]

They own people usually or see the masses as cattle. Monarchs are lying stealing fat headed bastards universally

[Rafiq]

It's not up to you. It's up to him to tell us why a monarchy is so god damn better. I mean, how? Functionality? Then why was a transition to democracy necessiated? Why are existing governments much more efficient in sustaining the social order than those existent in Europe during enlightenment, when capitalism and monarchy coincided?

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[melvin]

I'd suggest to avoiding arguing on facebook in general, especially about monarchism...

but if you really want to spend your time doing that, that's really easy. the idea of a king or queen is fucking ridiculous. they hold that position due to their family line, nothing else.

[Lobotomy]

Why would anyone argue in favor of monarchy in this day and age? It's a feudal concept. it's not relevant any more. What are his specific arguments?

[Winkers Fons]

Is he an anarcho-capitalist? I recently came across some ancaps that believe monarchy is a just system due to the fact that a kingdom is a king's private property to do with as he pleases. At first I thought they must be joking but then I realized that it made total sense within the logic of their beliefs. If these are his beliefs I am afraid there is no chance of changing his mind...

[Jimmie Higgins]

Are you being trolled? Are they just young and experamenting with ideas in a contrarian sort of way? That's bizzare - I've never met anyone in the US who supports the idea of monarchy. I've met tons of people in the US who love the British Royals for some reason, but that's just interest in fame and their sort of "old world" novelty (I know that's contradictory, I don't know how else to describe it though) from a US perspective, not support of real monarchy.

[liberlict]

A monarchy is unaccountable. Unlimited power corrupts absolutely.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Tell him to watch "game of thrones" and then he can tell us why King Geoffery is a good route to go. And "a good defense against Dragons" is not a good answer.

[Brutus]

A monarchy is unaccountable. Unlimited power corrupts absolutely.

The notion that power corrupts is, quite frankly, liberal bollocks. People in power will act in the interests of their class

[Wings Of Redemption]

I'm surprised you're even bothering to waste your time arguing with someone who harbour's such outdated views. Arguing with Fascists and Convinced Cappies is one thing but arguing with a monarchist is just taking the piss. Maybe he has Monarchism mixed up with Anarchism? :confused::D

[Orange Juche]

I personally don't support it but an argument is to be made for the current, essentially powerless monarchy of the UK - the biggest of which being (discluding tourist money) they bring in far more to tax revenue on land they own than money spent on them. They're a cash cow that just sits there.

Of course the workers should control that land and such, but if you were looking at it from a social democratic point - I'm just saying, it's not as cut and dry as it seems.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The notion that power corrupts is, quite frankly, liberal bollocks. People in power will act in the interests of their class

Really? Then put me in power and I will do everything possible to make everything right for the working class. I promise!

[WelcomeToTheParty]

I personally don't support it but an argument is to be made for the current, essentially powerless monarchy of the UK - the biggest of which being (discluding tourist money) they bring in far more to tax revenue on land they own than money spent on them. They're a cash cow that just sits there.

Of course the workers should control that land and such, but if you were looking at it from a social democratic point - I'm just saying, it's not as cut and dry as it seems.

The idea that someone can be born into a life of luxury while others work hard should be repugnant even to a social democrat. I also don't think you've got your facts right about the Monarchy making more money than it costs in the UK and even if that were true I'm sure their land could be put to more productive use that would generate even more tax revenue.

[Nakidana]

Usually monarchists will argue that monarchy is the best system 'cause most of the top countries in the world are constitutional monarchies.

I'm sure there's a fancy logical fallacy statement you can apply here, but in simple terms I see it as kind of like arguing that piracy causes global warming:

http://www.venganza.org/images/PiratesVsTemp.png