Dennis Rodman is at it Again More North Korea Shit

[Ocean Seal]

http://www.examiner.com/article/dennis-rodman-slams-barack-obama-over-north-korea-troubles

[Princess Luna]

I am just waiting for people to start defending North Korea for sentencing a man to 15 years hard labor for taking pictures of starving children...

[evermilion]

I am just waiting for people to start defending North Korea for sentencing a man to 15 years hard labor for taking pictures of starving children...

Sounds like my cue.

... well, I actually don't know much about this. I'm getting conflicting stories, which is strange, because the U.S. and north Korean governments are not really the type I'd expect to lie.

[RedHal]

I am just waiting for people to start defending North Korea for sentencing a man to 15 years hard labor for taking pictures of starving children...

the man detained by the DPRK, Kenneth Bae, is a raging christian missionary. Don't make it seem so one sided(US war propaganda)

http://www.nknews.org/2013/05/north-korea-lists-propaganda-materials-hidden-by-bae/

and don't tell me ppl are slamming Rodman for doing the right thing and opening talks with the DPRK.:confused:

[hatzel]

the U.S. and north Korean governments are not really the type I'd expect to lie.

...what a strange thing for a person to say...

[RadioRaheem84]

First off, I find it troubling just how illegitimate the world is seeming. If Dennis Rodman is acting as a diplomat to free a clearly guilty political prisoner then I see the world now as nothing but a bunch of relationships between rich people and heads of State. Whereas once I grew up thinking that there was a modicum of legitimacy to the social order, it's now been completely eroded because of the sheer banality of current events. Ever since the election of Barack Obama I think that the veil has been lifted on the legitimacy of liberal "democracy". As I grow older and find myself understanding how to maneuver in the business world and how it's all done, all it is a series of relationships and contacts and very little of the technical jargon taught in economics. Politics the same.

Does anyone else notice the rather ridiculous state of affairs we live in today and how patently absurd it is? It's a circus. The US especially is literally it's own inverted version of North Korea with its sham media.

http://www.examiner.com/video/dennis-rodman-to-kim-jong-un-do-me-a-solid

Huff Post commentator talks about how there are legitimate political prisoners who get caught trying to commit treasonous acts and nations have to move in to help, but then goes right to saying this isn't a case and that NK is just trying to embarrass the US?! The other commentator agrees?

The guy was proven to be a radical Christian missionary with an agenda to stage an act of treason with western backing. If a militant Islamist came into the US and tried to do the same he would be arrested to.

North Korea is not a state to defend but the bias toward the US has gone completely bananas! Huff Post is supposed to be a "liberal" news source.

[Comrade Nasser]

I agree with Dennis Rodmans analysis that Obama "Can't do ****" lol.

Q: Is Rodman just going for another visit or is he gonna live there?

[evermilion]

Q: Is Rodman just going for another visit or is he gonna live there?

Can I come?! I could be his whacky sidekick!

[GerrardWinstanley]

This is immensely sad. Far worse than Paul Gascoigne's post-career mental decline.

Although I still maintain his trip to Vatican City back in March on behalf of Paddy Power was a stroke of comedy genius.

[Brutus]

Can I come?! I could be his whacky sidekick!

Don't go to north Korea. The leader worship may seem fun at first but you'll get bored very quickly and we'll have to get you a new leader to worship...

[evermilion]

Don't go to north Korea. The leader worship may seem fun at first but you'll get bored very quickly and we'll have to get you a new leader to worship...

Well, Hoxha seems like a popular choice. Then there's Trots and Lux.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Photos of starving children? To what end, exactly?

The North Korean regime isn't exactly secretive about the fact that there is starvation in that country. What, if anything, they do about it is another story, but it seems like a big, risky trip just for some photos that aren't exactly groundbreaking. Wouldn't be surprised if there was something more to that story.

[Craig_J]

I agree with Dennis Rodmans analysis that Obama "Can't do ****" lol.

Q: Is Rodman just going for another visit or is he gonna live there?

If the storys about Kim Jong Ill kidnapping those South Korean film stars and getting them to start a film company are true, then Rodman should be very worried. Kim Jong Un obviously likes him and might force him to start a basketball team or coach the national team!

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Photos of starving children? To what end, exactly?

The North Korean regime isn't exactly secretive about the fact that there is starvation in that country. What, if anything, they do about it is another story, but it seems like a big, risky trip just for some photos that aren't exactly groundbreaking. Wouldn't be surprised if there was something more to that story.

This is true but I don't think attacking the character of this person matters, as red hal did. If he were really just taking pictures, his character does not at all change the content of what he was doing. Instead, I think we should try to look at his actions in detail.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-05/10/c_132372957.htm



DPRK lists crimes of detained American




• The DPRK (http://search.news.cn/language/search.jspa?id=en&t1=0&t=1&ss=&btn=0&ct=Philippines&n1=DPRK&np=content) listed the crimes of Pae Jun Ho late Thursday, accusing him of conducting hostile acts.

• According to a statement, Pae conducted "a malignant smear campaign" against the DPRK.

• Pae slandered the Juche idea of the Workers' Party of Korea and the DPRK's socialist system, it said.

PYONGYANG, May 10 (Xinhua) -- The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) listed the crimes of detained American Pae Jun Ho late Thursday, accusing him of conducting hostile acts, the official news agency KCNA reported.
"The court sentenced him to 15 years of hard labor in consideration of candid confession of his crimes though they are liable to face death penalty or life imprisonment for an attempt at state subversion," an unnamed Supreme Court spokesman said.
The statement came after the U.S. government and media claimed that "Pae was not tried in a transparent manner and Pyongyang was trying to use this issue as a political bargaining chip."
According to the statement, Pae conducted "a malignant smear campaign" against the DPRK and incited DPRK citizens overseas and foreigners to perpetrate hostile acts.
Pae gave lectures to more than 1,500 people slandering the Juche idea of the Workers' Party of Korea and the DPRK's socialist system and instigated them to bring down the government, it said.
He infiltrated at least 250 students into the city of Rason under the guise of tourists and "was caught red-handed" bringing with him anti-DPRK literature on in November last year, it added.
Pae was arrested on Nov. 3 while "committing hostile acts against the DPRK" and has "admitted that he committed crimes aimed to topple the DPRK with hostility toward it and were proved by evidence."
A Foreign Ministry spokesman said Sunday that Pyongyang has no intention to invite U.S. diplomats to Pyongyang over the issue.
The United States (http://search.news.cn/language/search.jspa?id=en&t1=0&t=1&ss=&btn=0&ct=Syria&n1=United+States&np=content) has called on the DPRK to immediately release Pae, who was sentenced to 15 years of compulsory labor earlier this month.
Pae, a Washington state resident, is at least the sixth American detained in the DPRK since 2009.
This is what he's really accused of. The crimes and evidence for it is hardly clear - what was he saying about Juche and the DPRK government? Personally, I think all governments should be open for criticism and all ideologies should be criticized freely but then again I am not a member of the judiciary of a paranoid state. According to the North Korean state however, he did do more than just take photographs of starving children. I wouldn't say what he is doing is wrong because he's a fundamentalist Christian, as his character has nothing to do with his actions, but the story might be a little more complicated.



The guy was proven to be a radical Christian missionary with an agenda to stage an act of treason with western backing. If a militant Islamist came into the US and tried to do the same he would be arrested to.



I kind of expect more from you - I don't think you'd be the kind of person who approves of the State just arresting all religious people who disagree with it. If he tried to commit an act of violence against the people of the DPRK then perhaps the charge makes sense, but there's just no justification in throwing every fundamentalist Christian in jail. We'd be throwing a substantial portion of the people (and workers for that matter) in the world in jail if every religious nut who does or says something anti-state gets locked away.

[Crixus]

The guy was proven to be a radical Christian missionary with an agenda to stage an act of treason with western backing. If a militant Islamist came into the US and tried to do the same he would be arrested to.


I agree with most of your post but not what I quoted above. I would take pictures/videos in the USA of starving children, the huge amounts of prisons in California alone, the homeless in the streets, the police arresting and murdering innocent people etc in order to oppose capitalism and if they threw me in prison for it what would you think? I guess it's complicated knowing what I know about intelligence agencies activity when it comes to human resources but Christians use to go to the USSR all the time without state backing in order to do much of the same things. I'm not pro Christian by any means but if the person is being put in prison for taking pictures of starving people I don't think that's defensible just as I wouldn't defend America's practice of throwing people in prison left and right.

What it boils down to is trying to create and or maintain 'socialism' in an isolated nation. It leaves the 'socialist state' no path but authoritarianism in order to maintain 'socialist' rule. This would still be a problem if a revolution took place in a western advanced capitalist nation- even on a larger scale. What would we do with all the Christians and supporters of capitalism? Firing squads? Prisons? What if a global revolution didn't take place and the revolution was isolated being attacked by capitalism from all sides? This going on for ten, twenty, fifty years? Do you hold onto that 'socialist' state or do you let bourgeois capitalism take over? How does 'socialism' not become a perversion of socialism in those conditions? Should we defend these 'socialist' conditions? Isolation. Scarcity. Authoritarianism. it creates some of the best anti communist propaganda available. North Korea needs to open up larger trade agreements since the collapse of the Eastern bloc or it's simply going to go further and further into poverty and authoritarianism. Especially when they're spending so much on military. Without China and Russia NK is basically doomed to stagnation while capitalism seeks to infiltrate it's borders. This is a recipe for disaster. Juche and Songun can't succeed. Socialism in isolation isn't possible.

[RadioRaheem84]

I think you guys got me all wrong. I wasn't saying that the guy deserved to be thrown in jail but just that the US and NK both have similar laws toward treasonous acts yet the double standard against NK is so wild that people don't even notice that the US would do the same to a militant Islamist.

And he didn't just go to NK to take pictures but planned on holing up with followers on a hotel to promote anti-NK activities sponsored by the West.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I think you guys got me all wrong. I wasn't saying that the guy deserved to be thrown in jail but just that the US and NK both have similar laws toward treasonous acts yet the double standard against NK is so wild that people don't even notice that the US would do the same to a militant Islamist.


I'm not here to defend the US, and I really doubt that many people on this forum are. As far as I am concerned Guantanamo Bay is a much worse violation of human rights etc. That said, Abu Hamza's jail term is going to be about 8 years shorter than that of this fellow in North Korea.



And he didn't just go to NK to take pictures but planned on holing up with followers on a hotel to promote anti-NK activities sponsored by the West.

Yeah this I agree with, it's clear that he was doing more than just taking photos, and probably wasn't arrested for his beliefs alone. However, people seemed to be justifying his arrest in terms of his beliefs alone, without bothering to see if there was actually anything more to the accusations.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I saw when Dennis Rodman tweeted "I'm calling on the Supreme Leader of North Korea or as I call him 'Kim', to do me a solid and cut Kenneth Bae loose." and laughed pretty hard.

[RadioRaheem84]

I'm not here to defend the US, and I really doubt that many people on this forum are. As far as I am concerned Guantanamo Bay is a much worse violation of human rights etc. That said, Abu Hamza's jail term is going to be about 8 years shorter than that of this fellow in North Korea.



Yeah this I agree with, it's clear that he was doing more than just taking photos, and probably wasn't arrested for his beliefs alone. However, people seemed to be justifying his arrest in terms of his beliefs alone, without bothering to see if there was actually anything more to the accusations.

Dude, the US assassinated an American citizen in another country with an illegal drone strike, no due process. It was all on the basis that the person in question was 'inspiring' others through religious edicts to commit acts of terror.

NK is still not in the clear with me, but this guy received a trial and was not sentenced to death and now they're letting a retired basketball player speak on his behalf and if it does well, he will be released. All this even after being caught red handed.

No it still stands that the media in the US is bonkers.

[RadioRaheem84]

http://www.salon.com/2011/09/30/awlaki_6/

An Islamist doesn't have to step on American soil to get the ice pick.

From the article: It was first reported in January of last year that the Obama administration had compiled a hit list of American citizens whom the President had ordered assassinated without any due process, and one of those Americans was Anwar al-Awlaki. No effort was made to indict him for any crimes (despite a report last October that the Obama administration was “considering” indicting him). Despite substantial doubt among Yemen experts about whether he even had any operational role in Al Qaeda, no evidence (as opposed to unverified government accusations) was presented of his guilt. When Awlaki’s father sought a court order barring Obama from killing his son, the DOJ argued, among other things, that such decisions were “state secrets” and thus beyond the scrutiny of the courts. He was simply ordered killed by the President: his judge, jury and executioner. When Awlaki’s inclusion on President Obama’s hit list was confirmed, The New York Times noted that “it is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing.”

[La Guaneña]

The question is: was he funded by the USA or another country to do this stuff?

Because in ANY bourgeois state recieving foreign funding to commit any kind of political act against the state is punishable by prison or even death. I don't know why we should expect or judge a country so threatened as the DPRK to act differently.

[RadioRaheem84]

The question is: was he funded by the USA or another country to do this stuff?

Because in ANY bourgeois state recieving foreign funding to commit any kind of political act against the state is punishable by prison or even death. I don't know why we should expect or judge a country so threatened as the DPRK to act differently.

That still remains a mystery but for the most part he still entered the country with the intention of promoting some Operation Jericho which specifically to overthrow the government through religious means. I really don't know why he though he could do that in a tightly knit country where there is a lot of support for the regime.

Also, I don't condone the decision to lock him for 15 years. I would've just denied him the visa if they NK government knew he was a missionary or that if they're that scared of them just kick him out.

[La Guaneña]

That still remains a mystery but for the most part he still entered the country with the intention of promoting some Operation Jericho which specifically to overthrow the government through religious means. I really don't know why he though he could do that in a tightly knit country where there is a lot of support for the regime.

Also, I don't condone the decision to lock him for 15 years. I would've just denied him the visa if they NK government knew he was a missionary or that if they're that scared of them just kick him out.

Yeah, I guess we could agree that if he were someone from a middle eastern or african country trying to enter France, Belgium, the USA or Brazil he would probably get arrested too.

I don't really get the drama here.

[DROSL]

I bet Kim Jung Un thinks he's obama. You would have though about this 3 years ago, that a dumb basketball player would become the United States diplomat to North Korea.

[Red Commissar]

I bet Kim Jung Un thinks he's obama. You would have though about this 3 years ago, that a dumb basketball player would become the United States diplomat to North Korea.

Well, he wasn't there on the orders of the US government or anything. It was part of a program that the pomopous hipsters at VICE media were doing. Supposidely they had approached Michael Jordan at first to do this, seeing as it was an autographed ball from him that Madeline Albright took with her when she visited the country back in the 90s. I'm assuming they probably went through a lot of different players before they settled on Rodman. He was also accompanied by two players from the Harlem Globtrotters I think.