Capitalism Marches On...

[Sabocat]

The homelessness issue just isn't going away in these "boom times" for the stockmarket.

Nearly half of New York City’s homeless are children

By Alan Whyte
7 January 2004


New York City began the New Year with the largest numbers of men, women and especially children crowding into its shelters since the city began keeping records 20 years ago. According to the city’s Department of Homeless Services, the night of January 2 saw 38,222 homeless people forced to turn to the city’s municipal shelter system. Another 1,500 or so beds were filled in churches and other private facilities.


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/...4/nyc-j07.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/nyc-j07.shtml)

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 06:26 PM
The homelessness issue just isn't going away in these "boom times" for the stockmarket.

Nearly half of New York City’s homeless are children

By Alan Whyte
7 January 2004


New York City began the New Year with the largest numbers of men, women and especially children crowding into its shelters since the city began keeping records 20 years ago. According to the city’s Department of Homeless Services, the night of January 2 saw 38,222 homeless people forced to turn to the city’s municipal shelter system. Another 1,500 or so beds were filled in churches and other private facilities.


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/...4/nyc-j07.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/nyc-j07.shtml)
So?

[Hampton]

So?

Who cares about the poor as long as I have a house, right? It's their own fault I bet too. You can get a job, get back on your feet it's so easy!

[lucid]

I know whos fault it isn't.
Mine.
I have 3 kids to take care of. I don't have time to worry about every homeless person out there.
It's called life. One day you will understand.

[Sabocat]

Those damn kids are so lazy. We should get rid of those pesky child labor laws so that those little street urchins can make shit for you 20 hours a day for a buck an hour right lucid?

Everyone knows that it's easy to get yourself on top when you don't have any income, any address, decent clothing and you're looking for your next place to sleep and eat most days.

Thanks for demonstrating the attitude of the capitalists in all it's glory though.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 07:47 PM
Those damn kids are so lazy. We should get rid of those pesky child labor laws so that those little street urchins can make shit for you 20 hours a day for a buck an hour right lucid?

Everyone knows that it's easy to get yourself on top when you don't have any income, any address, decent clothing and you're looking for your next place to sleep and eat most days.

Thanks for demonstrating the attitude of the capitalists in all it's glory though.
I never said they were lazy. I just said that I have kids of my own to take care of. Maybe you should go ***** at their parents and not online strangers. What are you doing to help homeless kids? I for one would rather be homeless in the US than freezing to death in my house in Russia. Or getting tortured in Cuba for speaking my mind.

Wonder how many people are gonna flame me for talking bad about Cuba. I recently moved from Miami and knew many Cuban people who would laugh in their faces.

[Sabocat]

Why would I ***** at someone who is unfortunate and disenfranchised? If you didn't want to get "*****ed at", then why on earth would you come to a leftist message board with your views?

So as long as you have your kids to take care of screw the rest of the world eh? That's being quite a contributor to a civilized society.

No one was asking you specifically to do anything. You can't even spare compassion? You can't admit that there are inherent problems with capitalism that are particularly cruel to a very large group of people?


Russians freezing to death in their houses? Well I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Russia is capitalist now, and it's true, people are much worse off now than they were under the state socialism previously.

Cuba torturing people for speaking their minds? LOL.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least you got that from the Miami/Cuban filth. They're a trustworthy group.....lol.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Disg[email protected] 7 2004, 08:56 PM
Why would I ***** at someone who is unfortunate and disenfranchised? If you didn't want to get "*****ed at", then why on earth would you come to a leftist message board with your views?

So as long as you have your kids to take care of screw the rest of the world eh? That's being quite a contributor to a civilized society.

No one was asking you specifically to do anything. You can't even spare compassion? You can't admit that there are inherent problems with capitalism that are particularly cruel to a very large group of people?


Russians freezing to death in their houses? Well I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Russia is capitalist now, and it's true, people are much worse off now than they were under the state socialism previously.

Cuba torturing people for speaking their minds? LOL.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least you got that from the Miami/Cuban filth. They're a trustworthy group.....lol.

You are guessing that the parents are in there present position because they are 'unfortunate'. I would bet that they are probably there because of bad decission making. You wouldn't understand this because your type can't recognize an individual much less personal responsibility.

It's not that I don't care about other parts of the world. It is just that I have my hands full with trying to provide for my family. I don't pretend to be a part of a self rightous group of nutballs that think they can solve the worlds problems.

The only thing I can admit about capitalism is that it has allowed me to lead a successful life. God knows that If I can do it anyone can =]

I made the statement about Russians freezing to death based on stories I heard when the USSR was still in place. But I am sure that you know more about the living conditions there than the people that actually lived in Soviet Russia.

I was friends with pre Castro and post Castro Cubans. I spent many hours listening to the stories from all ages of Cubans that fled. I'll take the word of a friend that actually lived there over some fruitloop that is blinded by red.

So Cubans turn into filth when they flee your Island of paradise? I'm sure you would love them if they where still being held captive in Cuba.

[Hate Is Art]

They Fled, their views are biased and can't be trusted. Full Stop.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 08:56 PM
Why would I ***** at someone who is unfortunate and disenfranchised? If you didn't want to get "*****ed at", then why on earth would you come to a leftist message board with your views?

Cuba torturing people for speaking their minds? LOL.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least you got that from the Miami/Cuban filth. They're a trustworthy group.....lol.
The story of those homeless kids is unfortunate, but who is really at fault? their parents, why for not being responsible enough to know what it takes to take care of a child. everyone thinks that they deserve a child?? no they dont. Instead of bithcing onb the forums you should be on the street or donating clothes or money to help these poor kids.

Oh shit, Like most commies here, you fail to look at reality. even though many of you commie friends admit that Cuba has violated human rights for 40 years and is an oppressive state, you just dont want to see it that way. Well here you go here is some info:

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/americas/cuba.html

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/

Why dont you believe cubans that have fled cuba? why do you hate them? what have they done to you?

[lucid]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 7 2004, 09:24 PM
They Fled, their views are biased and can't be trusted. Full Stop.
That makes no sense at all. If Cuba is this amazing place to live then why have thousands of people risked their lives to get out. They left their family, friends, and personal belongings knowing that they would never see any of them again. I am sure that Castro would love to turn you into living propaganda. Why don't you move there?

Where do you people get your fucked up views? You must have a sad life.

[Sabocat]

You are guessing that the parents are in there present position because they are 'unfortunate'. I would bet that they are probably there because of bad decission making.

Bad decision, like having the company you work for fold up and move to a third world country to exploit the labor there? How do you know what their situation is? Are you insinuating that it was bad decisions that have led to the current level of unemployment in the U$? Rediculous.


You wouldn't understand this because your type can't recognize an individual much less personal responsibility.

My type? What type would that be? Are you asking me if I place individuals over the needs of society? You're right, I would pick society. To do otherwise is selfish and greedy.


It's not that I don't care about other parts of the world. It is just that I have my hands full with trying to provide for my family. I don't pretend to be a part of a self rightous group of nutballs that think they can solve the worlds problems.

I didn't realize that it was self righteous to care about the welfare of the oppressed, poor, hungry. My mistake.. :lol: :lol:


I made the statement about Russians freezing to death based on stories I heard when the USSR was still in place. But I am sure that you know more about the living conditions there than the people that actually lived in Soviet Russia.

My mistake. I didn't realize your stories were absolute fact. I'll be more careful next time. How do you explain the current desire for such a large population of Russians to go back to Communism?


I was friends with pre Castro and post Castro Cubans. I spent many hours listening to the stories from all ages of Cubans that fled. I'll take the word of a friend that actually lived there over some fruitloop that is blinded by red.

I'm assuming that if you spoke to pre-Castro Cubans, then they had fled after Batista was tossed out on his ass, which of course means that they were one of the lucky few to get the scraps off of Batista's table. No wonder they're here. If you're speaking to post Castro Cubans that are here, that sort of points to them being couter revolutionaries or at the very least capitalist supporters. Yes, things were much better in Cuba before Castro, no health care, no education.....

Check your history. Batista "disappeared" a lot of people for "speaking their minds" too, or doesn't that count?


They left their family, friends, and personal belongings knowing that they would never see any of them again.

The call of the all mighty buck was just too great for them I guess. Wouldn't it be better to actually stay with your families?


I am sure that Castro would love to turn you into living propaganda.

And George Bush, you.


Oh shit, Like most commies here, you fail to look at reality. even though many of you commie friends admit that Cuba has violated human rights for 40 years and is an oppressive state, you just dont want to see it that way. Well here you go here is some info:

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/americas/cuba.html

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/

Do you really want to talk about Human Rights violations?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/.../amne-j08.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/amne-j08.shtml)

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/world05282002.html

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/world05282002.html


The story of those homeless kids is unfortunate, but who is really at fault? their parents, why for not being responsible enough to know what it takes to take care of a child.

Capitalism is at fault. What it takes to take care of a child is a place to live, food to eat. If they have been removed from the ability to make an income, and supply those things, how are they supposed to be able to do that. Don't you think that these people showing up at shelters kind of proves that they're trying to provide for their families and children? They could have abandoned them but didn't.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 10:12 PM
Do you really want to talk about Human Rights violations?

Classic commie respone, instead of admitting what castro has done they just give me a link to the USA. I could care less about the USA, we are not talking about them.

Yes the USA has made human rights abuses but I have yet to see an anti-bush person be imprisoned or killed by the gov.

Besides give me a more believable link than some socialist site www.hrw.com had some info, I would believe them before any socialist or anti-us site.


Capitalism is at fault. What it takes to take care of a child is a place to live, food to eat. If they have been removed from the ability to make an income, and supply those things, how are they supposed to be able to do that. Don't you think that these people showing up at shelters kind of proves that they're trying to provide for their families and children? They could have abandoned them but didn't.
NO. WHAT IT TAKES IS A SEMI- smart and semi-respnsible human that says "HMM. I am having trouble supporting myself so I will wait to have kids" that is what it takes. NOT IDIOTS THAT HAVE 6 children when they cant support 1. Besides I bet alot of those kids have drug addicts as parents. Who do you blame their?
if socialist solves this problem so well, Why are you only allowed 1 child in China (or at least in the most populated cities in China).

[Bolshevika]

Fuck you capitalists, you are heartless subhumans. If I were your son lucid, I would give myself up for adoption because you are a horrible human being.

You ought to care about innocent human beings suffering, what do young children have to do with mistakes their parents make? What if one day they were your children, would you care then or would you want people to say "I don't care"?

People have a human right to food, water, and shelter, which the capitalist system does not provide for all.

And China isn't socialist, their 1 child policy is right though. We would see this in America if we had a billion people in our country.

George W. Bush has killed people who disagree with him, just not in the US. I mean, he sent the mercenary armies half way across the world to oust a government that wouldn't obey his commands, he is the classic dictator.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 02:08 AM
Fuck you capitalists, you are heartless subhumans. If I were your son lucid, I would give myself up for adoption because you are a horrible human being.

You ought to care about innocent human beings suffering, what do young children have to do with mistakes their parents make? What if one day they were your children, would you care then or would you want people to say "I don't care"?

People have a human right to food, water, and shelter, which the capitalist system does not provide for all.

And China isn't socialist, their 1 child policy is right though. We would see this in America if we had a billion people in our country.

George W. Bush has killed people who disagree with him, just not in the US. I mean, he sent the mercenary armies half way across the world to oust a government that wouldn't obey his commands, he is the classic dictator.
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First off hes not really my son you commie dirtbag. He is one of my girlfriends 3 kids that I support. I am paying for her to goto school and supporting her children. If that makes me a horrible human then so be it.

I do care about innocent human beings. The problem is that a lot of people that are having 'hard times' are not innocent. They are drug addict wellfare leaching POS's. First off I wouldn't have children unless I new that I could provide for them. And don't give me this losing your job shit. Instead of spending money on crap I don't need I save money and have two years of salary in the bank in case of emergency. Its called being responsible red boy.

People do not have the right to food, water, and shelter if they are just dead beats. The only right they have is to starve. I work toohard for what I have to give it to some jerk off that doesn't even try to better himself. If hell froze over and your rediculous ideas were adopted in this country it would just get worse. Real History, not your distorted fantasy History, has proved this over and over again.

Get off the Bush crap you hard headed commie pussy. It's getting old.

[lucid]

Originally posted by lucid+Jan 8 2004, 02:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lucid @ Jan 8 2004, 02:21 AM)
[email protected] 8 2004, 02:08 AM

George W. Bush has killed people who disagree with him, just not in the US. I mean, he sent the mercenary armies half way across the world to oust a government that wouldn&#39;t obey his commands, he is the classic dictator.
[/b]
I feel the need to add a little more.

That mercenary army ousted Hussein because he refused to follow through with his agreement with the UN. You act like your all about the people but you defend a psychotic asshole that gassed his own citizens.

If you hate this country so bad why don&#39;t you pack your bags and get the fuck out. Here is one person that will not miss you or your fucked up logic.

[Bolshevika]

Tell me capitalist, what fault do the youth have of the mistakes of their parents? There are plenty of people who do not do drugs and in fact do work yet still live below the poverty line, borderline on homeless. There are also many amongst the homeless who are not drug addicts. I do agree that there are many who do drugs, but that is the fault of decadent capitalist society.

You disagree Bush sent his rapists and assassins across the globe to oust a regime that disagreed with his policies? (regardless of ulterior motives, let&#39;s say he really does believe they have weapons, what right does he have to tell them what to do?)

The American version of "history" is as historical as Dr Seuss&#39;s works of art. It apoligizes for capitalist led holocaust in Japan and attempts to make everything, even Nazism, look better than any communist.

Lucid, I regret the fact that I am in no position to have a bullet put through the back of your head.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 02:38 AM
Tell me capitalist, what fault do the youth have of the mistakes of their parents? There are plenty of people who do not do drugs and in fact do work yet still live below the poverty line, borderline on homeless. There are also many amongst the homeless who are not drug addicts. I do agree that there are many who do drugs, but that is the fault of decadent capitalist society.

You disagree Bush sent his rapists and assassins across the globe to oust a regime that disagreed with his policies? (regardless of ulterior motives, let&#39;s say he really does believe they have weapons, what right does he have to tell them what to do?)

The American version of "history" is as historical as Dr Seuss&#39;s works of art. It apoligizes for capitalist led holocaust in Japan and attempts to make everything, even Nazism, look better than any communist.

Lucid, I regret the fact that I am in no position to have a bullet put through the back of your head.
I checked out your profile and see that you are nothing but a child. You know nothing about real life and will probably grow out of this &#39;stage&#39;.

Come see me in 10 years or so. Hopefully by then you will see how rediculous your thoughts are.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Speaking of "heard that line before...


If you hate this country so bad why don&#39;t you pack your bags and get the fuck out.


Time to whip out a nice jug &#39;o &#39;shine and line dance to "duelin&#39; banjos". Maybe even start up a nice lil&#39; square dance that will make all us god-fearin&#39;, dubya votin&#39; "patriots" sqeeeeeeeeeal louder than a stuck hog.



I for one would rather be homeless in the US than freezing to death in my house in Russia


Let&#39;s see how "capitalism" has helped the russian people from freezing to death in the "evil empire" of the USSR...

WHOOOOPS&#33; (http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/2003/russia.shtml)


Just when you though it was save to mosey back into the "how-down" here comes another one o&#39; dem bastard pinko brain washers&#33;

Damn&#33;&#33;&#33; I mean DERN&#33;&#33;&#33; (http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s753093.htm)


That one was from that thar ABC news&#33; When did those nasty commie bastards infiltrate the bosses their with their mind-controllin&#39; death rays&#33;&#33;

[Hampton]

And don&#39;t give me this losing your job shit. Instead of spending money on crap I don&#39;t need I save money and have two years of salary in the bank in case of emergency. Its called being responsible red boy.

People do not have the right to food, water, and shelter if they are just dead beats. The only right they have is to starve. I work toohard for what I have to give it to some jerk off that doesn&#39;t even try to better himself. If hell froze over and your rediculous ideas were adopted in this country it would just get worse. Real History, not your distorted fantasy History, has proved this over and over again.

It&#39;s fun to generalize isn&#39;t it though? You arguments are so broad them make no sense. It&#39;s like "You&#39;re homeless, and don&#39;t give me that you have no job, no skills, can&#39;t read, and own no property, were redlined and the rent was raised on your apartment thing as an excuse&#33; It&#39;s your fault for living in a shitty neighbor hood&#33; Of course this is easy for me to say as I look down on you and have more choices in life than you ever will, but thqt&#39;s besides the point."

Why would people choose to live in shitty shelters wearing the same clothes everyday? Don&#39;t you think they would get jobs if they could? Welfare isn&#39;t shit, can&#39;t buy shit, and impossible to live on alone. Ever think how hard it would be to save money when getting 5.90 an hour? Money you need to spead to wide that you soon have to cut out essentials, such as new clothing and meals just to pay rent and not live on the street. The argument that they buy shit that isn&#39;t needed is bullshit, the logic that someone would buy a new pair of shoes instead of eating dinner for the next week is absurd and too stupid to even think about.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 03:17 AM
I checked out your profile and see that you are nothing but a child. You know nothing about real life and will probably grow out of this &#39;stage&#39;.

Come see me in 10 years or so. Hopefully by then you will see how rediculous your thoughts are.
LOL , yes, I had not seen his profile. 14, that explains alot.

[EneME]

Whats sadder is that he has more common sense than both you cappies put together at the age of 14....he isn&#39;t a robot that just accepts whats spoon fed to his brain. He has his own thoughts *gasp* gawd forbid... Hate to break it to you but their IS a world beyond USA and WalMart....go to another country and proudly proclaim you are from the states to regular ppl....it&#39;ll be fun for all of us Leftists to watch what little respect you get.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 07:19 AM
Whats sadder is that he has more common sense than both you cappies put together at the age of 14....he isn&#39;t a robot that just accepts whats spoon fed to his brain. He has his own thoughts *gasp* gawd forbid... Hate to break it to you but their IS a world beyond USA and WalMart....go to another country and proudly proclaim you are from the states to regular ppl....it&#39;ll be fun for all of us Leftists to watch what little respect you get.
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He isn&#39;t a robot because he doesn&#39;t live under communist rule. He will become a robot if that changes.

In response to Hamptons comments. I worked in fast food for 5 years when I got out of school and know whats it like to earn minimum wage. But, I took advantage of student loans and furthered my education. It has been my PERSONAL experience that these lifetime fast food working deadbeats are there because of poor decision making.

I wrote a paper for an Anthropology class that was about Inner City youth and there employment in the Fast Food industry. It was based on observations I had made while working with them. Every payday I would take my paycheck and deposit it into the bank. Most of these dead beats would go straight to the mall and blow there money on high doller clothes. To them image was more important than success. There was one girl who was in her 40&#39;s that was always complaining about how the &#39;great white joe&#39; kept her down. Yet she would run out and buy her newborn (she had 4-5 kids) &#036;100 Tommy Shoes. These people that leech our system will also leach your &#39;communist&#39; utopia.

How is it fair to take from people that earn what they have and then turn around and give to dead beats? -

[LSD]

I wrote a paper for an Anthropology class that was about Inner City youth and there employment in the Fast Food industry. It was based on observations I had made while working with them. Every payday I would take my paycheck and deposit it into the bank. Most of these dead beats would go straight to the mall and blow there money on high doller clothes. To them image was more important than success. There was one girl who was in her 40&#39;s that was always complaining about how the &#39;great white joe&#39; kept her down. Yet she would run out and buy her newborn (she had 4-5 kids) &#036;100 Tommy Shoes. These people that leech our system will also leach your &#39;communist&#39; utopia.

In a communist society this would not be an issue. Even if I accept that everything you said is the absolute truth and a fair unbiased view of life (which is a bit of a stretch) it is still not an issue. Since from your own admission these people are working and you just disagree with how they spend their money, under communism they would still work. Since there would be no money and they would have access to all that society offered it would not be a problem.


How is it fair to take from people that earn what they have and then turn around and give to dead beats? -

Under communism everyone will work and everyone will bennefit. Most people will actually end up working less and gaining more.

[Sabocat]

Every payday I would take my paycheck and deposit it into the bank

You had the luxury of being able to deposit your check in the bank. You didn&#39;t have to pay for an apartment, electric bill, health insurance, food, car insurance etc. with it.

I seriously doubt that supporting 4 or 5 kids, she had the ability to buy an infant &#036;100 dollar sneakers. By the way, I wasn&#39;t able to find any Tommy sneakers for infants for anything near 100 bucks. I&#39;ll put that statement in the same bin as the stories people tell about welfare mothers buying Cadillacs with their welfare checks... :lol: :lol:

Select Buying Options:
Price:
&#036;19.95

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 03:57 PM

Every payday I would take my paycheck and deposit it into the bank

You had the luxury of being able to deposit your check in the bank. You didn&#39;t have to pay for an apartment, electric bill, health insurance, food, car insurance etc. with it.

I seriously doubt that supporting 4 or 5 kids, she had the ability to buy an infant &#036;100 dollar sneakers. By the way, I wasn&#39;t able to find any Tommy sneakers for infants for anything near 100 bucks. I&#39;ll put that statement in the same bin as the stories people tell about welfare mothers buying Cadillacs with their welfare checks... :lol: :lol:

Select Buying Options:
Price:
&#036;19.95
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I had no such luxury. My point was that I put my money in the bank to pay my bills and save for my future. I didn&#39;t have health insurance at the time. I went to a state clinic when I was sick.

This was over 5 years ago and I gave Tommy as an example. I don&#39;t remember the exact type but I saw the price tag when she was bragging to all of her friends in the lobby (She came back to the store to wait for the bus). This was in Atlanta and she was blowing this money with 4-5 kids. She lived in Government housing downtown and collected every penny she could from the government.

Laugh all you like. This is an example of real people in the real world. Certain people will take advantage of others whenever they can.


Another trick I always liked was how the guys always got there paycheck cashed in singles. So it would look like they had a lot of money :rolleyes: . But of course its all the fault of white capatalists.....

[LSD]

still don&#39;t get your point, what you&#39;re saying in no way negates the advantages of communism, in fact in many ways it accentuates them.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 10:02 AM
In response to Hamptons comments. I worked in fast food for 5 years when I got out of school and know whats it like to earn minimum wage. But, I took advantage of student loans and furthered my education. It has been my PERSONAL experience that these lifetime fast food working deadbeats are there because of poor decision making.

I wrote a paper for an Anthropology class that was about Inner City youth and there employment in the Fast Food industry. It was based on observations I had made while working with them. Every payday I would take my paycheck and deposit it into the bank. Most of these dead beats would go straight to the mall and blow there money on high doller clothes. To them image was more important than success. There was one girl who was in her 40&#39;s that was always complaining about how the &#39;great white joe&#39; kept her down. Yet she would run out and buy her newborn (she had 4-5 kids) &#036;100 Tommy Shoes. These people that leech our system will also leach your &#39;communist&#39; utopia.

How is it fair to take from people that earn what they have and then turn around and give to dead beats? -
So you can generalize 38,222 homeless people from your experience working with 4 or 5 people? What the fuck is that? And of course it depends on how old the kids were if they were going out and spending their paychecks on clothes like you said. If they have no bills and are rowdy teenagers of course they&#39;re going to spend it on bullshit plus they might have other sources of income, selling drugs and other activities. And I&#39;m sure someone with 4 or 5 kids is going to spend &#036;100 on shoes for a baby, righttt. And of course she could be getting money for other places, family members, have another job, or have a husband or boyfriend who would take care of her kids when she was at work.

And I&#39;m sure that paper since what you&#39;re saying is how Inner City youth(read: black) blow their money after working at Burger King. Sounds like a nice un-biased, non-generalized paper if you ask me.

[Bolshevika]

People do not have the right to food, water, and shelter if they are just dead beats.

I agree. Thing is, capitalists do not give people the chance to earn their living. Funny how there were no homeless people in almost any socialist country I can think of, funny how everyone jumped at the chance to work (even Americans during the great depression went to the USSR for work) in virtually every socialist state.

Capitalists do not give people the opportunity to work, so it is not their fault for they are the victims of the greedy anti-worker monsters you call "employers" who cut jobs just to preserve their profits.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 8 2004, 05:02 PM
still don&#39;t get your point, what you&#39;re saying in no way negates the advantages of communism, in fact in many ways it accentuates them.
In a communist or socialist society she would get 1 shoe every 2 years or so. Just like somoene who lived in Cuba told me they had a quota card, where it stated how much pound of rice they could get how many pounds of meat.... It also had their how many underwear a year they could get, it was 3. LOL what a great country.
This person lived theri till 3 or 4 years ago.

The point that lucid is trying to make is, THIS WOMAN has the freedom to spend her money on whatever she wants. IF she wants to buy 100 dollar pair shoes, she can, but dont start *****ing about not having money when you spend money on 100 dollar shoes.
Your the person that hates personal responsability, you probably would sue MCdonalds if you where fat, blaming them for making you fat.
In the USA and the world, personal responsabilty is being eliminated, we see this in all those stupid lawsuits that you probably support. Here is a website on that http://www.overlawyered.com
In communism the gov. would decide what to give you, thats nice.