Revolutionary implications of 3D printied gun.

[Einkarl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA


In the video, some an-cap jackass wants to start an open source file for 3d printers to print guns.

what revolutionary implications do you believe this has?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I think that the 3d printer itself has a lot of potential, assuming that it gets developed to where it can "print" a wide variety of materials. As of now I believe it can only print materials like plastic, cake frosting etc.

[dez]

It can print gun parts. Still very expensive though.

[Geiseric]

If you wanted to buy a gun it would be cheaper than 3D printing I think. It's basically legal for most guns in the U.S.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

3D printers are still really expensive, both to buy and to operate. Eventually they'll be able to revolutionize production maybe, but they're not going to help outfit a revolutionary army anytime soon if that's what you mean.

[tuwix]

It can print many valuable goods. But considering it only as a tool to produce a gun is just stupidity of right-wing "libertarians".

[Slippers]

It can print many valuable goods. But considering it only as a tool to produce a gun is just stupidity of right-wing "libertarians".

I don't think anybody here suggested that's all it's good for, if that's what you're saying.

[crazyirish93]

print as many guns as u want u cant print the ammo so no use really.

[Taters]

It has very few "revolutionary implications" *wink wink nudge nudge*, unless it can print like... aluminum and steel, which I imagine we're probably not that close to.

Anyway, these 3D printed lower receivers for AR-15s and the like aren't very sturdy. After all, they're made out of plastic, so they won't survive more than about 10 shots.

[Os Cangaceiros]

It has very few "revolutionary implications" *wink wink nudge nudge*, unless it can print like... aluminum and steel, which I imagine we're probably not that close to.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143552-3d-printing-with-metal-the-final-frontier-of-additive-manufacturing

I'd just like to repeat that I think 3d printing has potential revolutionary implications that have absolutely nothing to do with printing 5 million AR-15's to go storm the Winter Palace with, or whatever fantasy people may or may not have...

[Taters]

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143552-3d-printing-with-metal-the-final-frontier-of-additive-manufacturing

I had a feeling I was going to be proven wrong.

[Os Cangaceiros]

3d printing also has tremendous potential for medical procedures like skull reconstruction, hip replacement etc. In fact it's already being used for these things

http://www.dvice.com/2013-4-22/3d-printed-future-medicine-here-today

[Ele'ill]

the controversy around 3d printing regarding firearms is that you can print parts to modify firearms to full auto

[Rusty Shackleford]

the revolutionary implications of 3d printing is that it is a new development of productive forces. obviously it will cut labor needs for many industries.



as for printing a million rifles, so what? there are already millions of rifles already in existence. more guns doesnt mean more revolutionary. without an organized and self-interested working class, there is no point in trying to arm everyone for a revolution.

[Q]

print as many guns as u want u cant print the ammo so no use really.

Exactly this. Ammo needs black powder or some other explosive substance. You can't print that.

[Luís Henrique]

Exactly this. Ammo needs black powder or some other explosive substance. You can't print that.

Black powder is quite obsolete by now, having being replaced by nitrocellulosis (cordite, etc.)

But no, you can't print that either.

Yet.

Luís Henrique

[Desy]

One doesn't just "print a gun". They started something very cool and intresting. There are springs and extracters that make a gun function efficiently. Also, they were shooting a center fire round, and all center fire rounds have a primer, and in this primer is a powder component known as lead stifanate. Lead stifanate, or a key part of it, can only be found in the Asia's. America is trying to make a lead free primer right now. Guns are as good as rocks if not loaded, or they're 380 autos ;)

[Desy]

It has very few "revolutionary implications" *wink wink nudge nudge*, unless it can print like... aluminum and steel, which I imagine we're probably not that close to.

Anyway, these 3D printed lower receivers for AR-15s and the like aren't very sturdy. After all, they're made out of plastic, so they won't survive more than about 10 shots.

I shoot 2k rounds out of a plastic gun everyday O.o. You would be very suprised on how many parts of a gun are plastic. Glocks never break.

[The Douche]

I shoot 2k rounds out of a plastic gun everyday O.o. You would be very suprised on how many parts of a gun are plastic. Glocks never break.


:laugh: At the risk of going off topic, there is a reason glocks are jokingly called grenades. Google "glock kaboom" and you will find plenty of catastrophic failures from glocks. All guns have a failure rate, Glocks actually have somewhat of a reputation for failure, though it is mostly over-hyped in jest.

[tuwix]

It's quite egaltarian tool. Thanks to it, one could print Ferrari. It can be useful for many luxury goods.

But it will sack many people from industry. From construction too. If they are big enough, they can construct buildings too.

But obviously their development will be tried to stop. They are too dangerous to many rich men.

[Desy]

:laugh: At the risk of going off topic, there is a reason glocks are jokingly called grenades. Google "glock kaboom" and you will find plenty of catastrophic failures from glocks. All guns have a failure rate, Glocks actually have somewhat of a reputation for failure, though it is mostly over-hyped in jest.

Glocks don't just blow up :P. That's the horrible ammo they are using. It would be like saying, 'Hamburgers give me food poisoning.' No that would be the Jack in the Box. If you load your own ammo and don't know what you're doing, yes, any gun will blow up. Like I said, I shoot 2k rounds through a glock in a day and nothing has happened. The only time a gun has blownup in my hand is because of a double charged round, and it was a sig. Which I am thankful for, because that metal gun absorbed most of it, and if it was a glock it probably would have been uglier than it was. So, yes when a glock blows up it is ugly because it is just platstic. A gun blowing up is because of that individuals ignorance to guns or poor factory made ammunition.

And to stay on topic. This has no impact on a revolution.

[The Douche]

Glocks don't just blow up :P. That's the horrible ammo they are using. It would be like saying, 'Hamburgers give me food poisoning.' No that would be the Jack in the Box. If you load your own ammo and don't know what you're doing, yes, any gun will blow up. Like I said, I shoot 2k rounds through a glock in a day and nothing has happened. The only time a gun has blownup in my hand is because of a double charged round, and it was a sig. Which I am thankful for, because that metal gun absorbed most of it, and if it was a glock it probably would have been uglier than it was. So, yes when a glock blows up it is ugly because it is just platstic. A gun blowing up is because of that individuals ignorance to guns or poor factory made ammunition.

And to stay on topic. This has no impact on a revolution.

Glocks (and all other quality firearms) do not only fail because of shitty reloads, its because of quality control. Whenever you have mass production, you have lemons, with guns, that means kabooms. Glocks are slightly more infamous for their kabooms because they look so insane, since the composite blows apart more drastically than steel.

That said, I don't know why you're telling lies. I know you don't shoot 2k rounds daily, you don't have that much money.

[Desy]

Glocks (and all other quality firearms) do not only fail because of shitty reloads, its because of quality control. Whenever you have mass production, you have lemons, with guns, that means kabooms. Glocks are slightly more infamous for their kabooms because they look so insane, since the composite blows apart more drastically than steel.

That said, I don't know why you're telling lies. I know you don't shoot 2k rounds daily, you don't have that much money.

Well you're ignorant. And I know this because, one grab a glock and tell me how its going to blow up. It can not fire. With or with out a round if its a 'kabooms'. But the gun blowing up has to have a charge, and what could that be??? Hmmm. Ammo.

Also, take off your pompous twat hat. I test ammunition in a factory. That's why I shoot 2k rounds a day, it's my job. I agreed with you that glocks are more devistating when they do blow up. I agree with that 100%. Ignorance to ammo specs and your gun spec will make a gun blow up.

[The Douche]

Well you're ignorant. And I know this because, one grab a glock and tell me how its going to blow up. It can not fire. With or with out a round if its a 'kabooms'. But the gun blowing up has to have a charge, and what could that be??? Hmmm. Ammo.

Also, take off your pompous twat hat. I test ammunition in a factory. That's why I shoot 2k rounds a day, it's my job. I agreed with you that glocks are more devistating when they do blow up. I agree with that 100%. Ignorance to ammo specs and your gun spec will make a gun blow up.

0zKNBVVrWos

When a Pinto explodes, is it the fault of the gas? When a glock explodes, it is the result of poor quality control, it is the result of not catching a lemon. (granted, in the example of the Pinto it was a design error, which the glock is not)

Like I said, all guns have catastrophic failures. You said "Glocks never fail", I said they do, and it is well known that they do, so much so that there is a even a cultural meme about it.

I don't happen to own a glock, but I would and probably will at some point, I have nothing against them, even though I prefer other handguns. But it is not because they're polymer, I have a polymer lower on an AR15, polymer is certainly functional in guns (you're still going to need metal anyway).

Fair enough regarding working for an ammo manf. obviously I assumed you were claiming to put 2k rounds downrange in training/plinking, which would be a laughable claim for anybody posting here. (and for most people anywhere)

[Desy]

0zKNBVVrWos

When a Pinto explodes, is it the fault of the gas? When a glock explodes, it is the result of poor quality control, it is the result of not catching a lemon. (granted, in the example of the Pinto it was a design error, which the glock is not)

Like I said, all guns have catastrophic failures. You said "Glocks never fail", I said they do, and it is well known that they do, so much so that there is a even a cultural meme about it.

I don't happen to own a glock, but I would and probably will at some point, I have nothing against them, even though I prefer other handguns. But it is not because they're polymer, I have a polymer lower on an AR15, polymer is certainly functional in guns (you're still going to need metal anyway).

Fair enough regarding working for an ammo manf. obviously I assumed you were claiming to put 2k rounds downrange in training/plinking, which would be a laughable claim for anybody posting here. (and for most people anywhere)

O man. I also said 380s are as affective as rocks. And Glocks do fail - it was just using an expression, because they are the most reliable hand gun.

I don't know anything about cars, so I can't really tell you anything about pintos, and I'm not going to try and convince you I know something from a 10 min google search. *cough. I will give you the fact that maybe when they were making the glock guns that some shitty product got out the door and were not to specification, but to specification and with decent knowledge on guns and ammunition, or to specification factory ammo. Glocks do not blow up more than any other gun.

I have a bad feeling I'm just getting trolled :*(. I need to watch out for that. I should save my bannable remarks for a left comm.

And to stay on topic. I think that printer is just a condence verision of a plastic mold machine we have at the factory. Not really going to help but speed up the capitalist mode of production .

[Luís Henrique]

Here is a more appropriate forum to discuss whether Glocks and other guns explode or not:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=303207

On topic, technology in itself does not a revolution make. 3D printers are awesome, but they won't put an end to capitalism.

Luís Henrique

[Brutus]

It is far too impractical and expensive to have any revolutionary potential.

[dez]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

working gun made out of 3d printer

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

I think that Big Bang Theory episode showed the game-changing implication for action figure collectors...I could print a mini me along with copies of all the 1986 Transformers figures..
Seriously, the thought of that got me quite excited

[The Intransigent Faction]

Revolutionary implications? In technology, sure. In proletarian revolution? Absolutely fucking none whatsoever.

[Red Nightmare]

Most of the 3d printed guns I have seen before in videos don't appear to be very sturdy or good quality. I think that we will have to develop 3d printers that can make things out of molten metal before we can expect to see any serious 3d printed guns.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Most of the 3d printed guns I have seen before in videos don't appear to be very sturdy or good quality. I think that we will have to develop 3d printers that can make things out of molten metal before we can expect to see any serious 3d printed guns.

they do have torch/welder configurations that you can hoop up to computers to do work. thats where a lot of manufacturing is going in that arena, and has been for the last few decades.


as for some sort of 3d printing with metal, you could probably do it with an automated wire-feed welder. though i dont know how sturdy it would be, or how clean it would be. and id imagine trying to produce something too narrow would be difficult. and the amount of electricity required, the wire, and the intert gas expenses would be astronomical. that kind of equipment itself would be in the 10s of thousands.

The welds would be quality -no doubt- but for wholly manufacturing a firearm? i dont think layers of metal would be able to handle the stress. and no, the layers wont look like a wafer-cookie but just the issue of heat would probably cause so much in the way of deformity. ive done welding for 2 semesters one in high school, and one in college, but no practical welding. i was certified years ago... but again, no practical. so thats my background on welding.

sure, there are the little field welders, but a rig, computer, program, and a precise and accurate welder for that kind of job are not cheap. by no means.



maybe having a rig that has a chamber filled with inert gas for the welding my cut down on the need to pump gas through the nozzle of the welder because the purpose of the gas is to prevent porosity and help control the electric arc.

there are also several types of arc welding methods for wire-feed, and a large variety of wire (including flux-core which ive never used but sounded awesome to work with), all that factors into how a weld will turn out.



i think the main thing is also starting it. it would probably need a base piece of metal to start the first weld. you cant just lay metal down. it requires a positive and negative electrode. one hooked to the material you are welding with (the wire, or a stick-electrode), and one hooked to the material you are welding on. its all about creating an electric arc that heats up to hundreds or thousands of degrees and carries little molten metal blobs across the arc and onto the thing you are trying to weld.



maybe plasma welding? ive only heard of plasma cutting but i was never anywhere close to tig or any other fancier forms of welding and cutting in my classes. it might exist, and it might be better.

my jargon is probably crap, but thats my thought on metal printing.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

they do have torch/welder configurations that you can hoop up to computers to do work. thats where a lot of manufacturing is going in that arena, and has been for the last few decades.


as for some sort of 3d printing with metal, you could probably do it with an automated wire-feed welder. though i dont know how sturdy it would be, or how clean it would be. and id imagine trying to produce something too narrow would be difficult. and the amount of electricity required, the wire, and the intert gas expenses would be astronomical. that kind of equipment itself would be in the 10s of thousands.

The welds would be quality -no doubt- but for wholly manufacturing a firearm? i dont think layers of metal would be able to handle the stress. and no, the layers wont look like a wafer-cookie but just the issue of heat would probably cause so much in the way of deformity. ive done welding for 2 semesters one in high school, and one in college, but no practical welding. i was certified years ago... but again, no practical. so thats my background on welding.

sure, there are the little field welders, but a rig, computer, program, and a precise and accurate welder for that kind of job are not cheap. by no means.



maybe having a rig that has a chamber filled with inert gas for the welding my cut down on the need to pump gas through the nozzle of the welder because the purpose of the gas is to prevent porosity and help control the electric arc.

there are also several types of arc welding methods for wire-feed, and a large variety of wire (including flux-core which ive never used but sounded awesome to work with), all that factors into how a weld will turn out.



i think the main thing is also starting it. it would probably need a base piece of metal to start the first weld. you cant just lay metal down. it requires a positive and negative electrode. one hooked to the material you are welding with (the wire, or a stick-electrode), and one hooked to the material you are welding on. its all about creating an electric arc that heats up to hundreds or thousands of degrees and carries little molten metal blobs across the arc and onto the thing you are trying to weld.



maybe plasma welding? ive only heard of plasma cutting but i was never anywhere close to tig or any other fancier forms of welding and cutting in my classes. it might exist, and it might be better.

my jargon is probably crap, but thats my thought on metal printing.

Nothing a mass party could not provide for its regional branches. And also: metallic shapes can already be printed on 3D Printers. I don't know much about bullet production, but I assume there would hardly have to be any live labor involved in their production: a 3D printer can print the cartridge, cap, and only the combustive chemicals would have to be added in. In the next ten years a mass worker party would have no problems imo to produce its own arms for hardly a cost.

[Red Phalanx]

what revolutionary implications do you believe this has?

You can shoot people.

Does that answer your question?

[Polaris]

what revolutionary implications do you believe this has?
This has more to do with 3D printers/technology in general than specifically gun making printers, but if they further advanced in addition to being cheaper, many in manufacturing jobs would become unemployed, insert unrest and depression/recession here, workers become unified, bam! revolution.
All because of 3D printers :lol: