Death Penalty

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Created thread as a split from Don't Read This. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/dont-read-p2609415/index.html#post2609415)

It isn't. It is vengeance. It is not an attempt to reform or fix the person. It is society saying one or both of these things, "Your rights are no longer respected and we don't want to deal with you anymore." or "The people you wronged deserve to cause you pain, suffering, and death." Despite this, you must show why this is an incorrect practice I'm afraid.

You can't punish someone if they are dead. Exacting vengeance without enforcing change is pointless, especially if the person being killed for the sake of vengeance is a victim of a greater problem.

However this only applies to 'crimes' that occur within society such as rape, homicide etc. The perspective on the death penalty changes once we examine certain acts (or crimes if you will) committed against the entire working class, acts that influence the entire human race e.g. anything designed to support the continuous existence of Capitalism. If one man/woman, or a group of people have even the remotest chance of creating counter-revolution and most importantly, will stop at nothing to do so, then the death penalty becomes adequate. This has a more developed base in comparison to 'vengeance' as it comes down to objective probability as opposed to subjective desire.

[Blake's Baby]

There are approximately 82 bazillion (rough guess) threads about the death penalty. Do we need another one?

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

There are approximately 82 bazillion (rough guess) threads about the death penalty. Do we need another one?

Yes because I don't want to go off topic on a thread about discrimination.

[Aleksandr Karelin]

I support the death penalty, I do not however support the state. Do I support workers smashing a rapists head in with a hammer? Yep. Heroin dealers have been stabbed and chased out of my Area and its kept heroin out better than the state ever could, because getting stabbed 10 times in the neck being pissed on and left in the street is scarier than going to prison.

[dēmistĕfī]

The death penalty does not exist in a vacuum. Communists cannot give the bourgeois state the mandate to execute anyone without the possibility that it may one day sentence us to death. Executions that are part a programme of proletarian revolutionary terror are by all means acceptable.
One would have a hard time calling themselves a communist if they campaigned for the right of our class enemies to carry out executions.

[Bostana]

because getting stabbed 10 times in the neck being pissed on and left in the street is scarier than going to prison.

Debatable
http://memecrunch.com/meme/67LD/prison-rape/image.png

[Aleksandr Karelin]

Debatable
http://memecrunch.com/meme/67LD/prison-rape/image.png

wow you really have an issue with me. If you hate me stop posting annoying personal attacks and just put me on the ignore list? How about you stop trivializing gay people being killed or sent to camps you fuck.

Gay rape, how cute. thansk, your bile is seeping, hide it quick.

[Bostana]

wow you really have an issue with me. If you hate me stop posting annoying personal attacks and just put me on the ignore list? How about you stop trivializing gay people being killed or sent to camps you fuck.

Gay rape, how cute. thansk, your bile is seeping, hide it quick.

I was just saying prison rape sound more terrifying than being stabbed, in my opinion.

[Aleksandr Karelin]

I was just saying prison rape sound more terrifying than being stabbed, in my opinion.

Being stabbed to death by having your neck almost severed, being pissed on and left for dead is better than sucking dick?

[Aleksandr Karelin]

Rape is a bad crime dude

It is awful, Probably not as final as murder though right?

[Dear Leader]

Everybody in this thread besides Blake's Baby are horrible people. Has anyone thought about the chance of someone being innocent?

[Narodnik]

Robespierre 1791
On the Death Penalty

http://www.marxists.org/history/france/revolution/robespierre/1791/death-penalty.htm

[Dropdead]

If a person has killed people and there is clear proof of it, then yes.

[Luís Henrique]

Yes because I don't want to go off topic on a thread about discrimination.

Your intentions are highly commendable. But this thread is going off topic anyway. It is turning into a thread about Alekandr Karelin, who by the way is the only possibly interesting topic in revleft the internet the world.

Luís Henrique

[The Jay]

Created thread as a split from Don't Read This. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/dont-read-p2609415/index.html#post2609415)


You can't punish someone if they are dead.

What is your point here?


Exacting vengeance without enforcing change is pointless, especially if the person being killed for the sake of vengeance is a victim of a greater problem.

The two are not mutually exclusive as you seem to be implying.


However this only applies to 'crimes' that occur within society such as rape, homicide etc.

I see that here you are drawing a distinction between threats to the social order and threats to individuals. While you could make this distinction you must recognize that you are not making the decision from an objective standing.

In reality, you are not against the death penalty and are only very strict on when it should be used. What gives you the justification for saying that the crimes against the social order are the only actions for which death is warranted?


The perspective on the death penalty changes once we examine certain acts (or crimes if you will) committed against the entire working class, acts that influence the entire human race e.g. anything designed to support the continuous existence of Capitalism.

That is a completely subjective arbitration between punishment for threatening the 'greater good' and other crimes. If you only support crimes against the social order then you are, to use your own argument, attacking the symptom and not the problem. Now, I don't agree with the last statement but you should look at how you can use an argument and then directly contradict it. Either you were taking my argument without nuance and are applying nuance to yours or something else is going on.


If one man/woman, or a group of people have even the remotest chance of creating counter-revolution and most importantly, will stop at nothing to do so, then the death penalty becomes adequate.

Again, why?


This has a more developed base in comparison to 'vengeance' as it comes down to objective probability as opposed to subjective desire.

No, it does not have a more objective base. Once caught the threat to society would no longer be so. I think that you could expand further upon your reasoning here.

[l'Enfermé]

Debatable
http://memecrunch.com/meme/67LD/prison-rape/image.png

Wait what do you mean? Are you making a joke about the inflation of soap price, and the importance of it in prison society?