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[MarxArchist]

Unless you want to get angry. *Trigger warning, graphic abuse*


Even more madness:


Protesters were angered by reports that police, who have been under heavy public pressure to reduce the number of rapes, were reluctant to register the case and offered the father money to forget the assault. In some cases I can't help but feel swift death is the fitting punishment:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_OOVTsGKr6HYyVWeQ8nA4MAT8dg?docId=CNG.6ca3e 19d64153addcf857afda2778c06.491


(http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_OOVTsGKr6HYyVWeQ8nA4MAT8dg?docId=CNG.6ca3e 19d64153addcf857afda2778c06.491)

[Brutus]

Why swift death? Too generous.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Here we go with death being a viable punishment. The death penalty is currently murder sanctioned by the state which only kills off the symptoms, not the disease. It's never used efficiently in a society that is based on class conflict.

Che Guevara said that the 'life of a single human is worth more than all the property of the richest person on Earth'.

If anything is certain, we are (as humans) very lucky to have made it onto this planet considering how many possible humans never did. Don't abuse that by killing someone.

[Starship Stormtrooper]

Che Guevara said that the 'life of a single human is worth more than all the property of the richest person on Earth'.


I don't agree with the death penalty, but how many people did Che have executed again :grin:?

[Quail]

I don't want this thread to turn into another "kill/castrate all rapists" posturing thread. Granted, this is a horrible case and it's especially bad that police are trying to "reduce" rapes simply by not recording them. From reports in the news, it does seem that there is a real problem in India with sexual assaults, and the way that they are seen and dealt with. I know there have been a few demonstrations recently after some particularly horrible rape cases, but I am not sure what else is being done to combat the problem. I think that instead of spending time raging about individual cases of rape, which are all awful and should make anyone angry, we should be looking at the circumstances, the motivations, the power structures that allow such things to happen and discuss what we can do to prevent future rape cases and best support the survivors of the cases we couldn't prevent. Although India has been in the media spotlight regarding rape recently, it definitely isn't a problem unique to India. It affects people everywhere.

[khad]

Here we go with death being a viable punishment. The death penalty is currently murder sanctioned by the state which only kills off the symptoms, not the disease. It's never used efficiently in a society that is based on class conflict.
Stop using medical analogies for this shit. Please, it's annoying and only makes you look like an ignoramus.

Medicine is about palliating the symptoms of AND resolving the causes of disease. Or am I imagining analgesics, antipyretics, and respiratory decongestants? By the time you get around to knocking out an infection, a patient could die from something as simple as a fever.

Punishment and rehabilitation/prevention are not mutually exclusive, and it's pathetic to see yet another thread turn into a slinging match between two strawmen.

[l'Enfermé]

Here we go with death being a viable punishment. The death penalty is currently murder sanctioned by the state which only kills off the symptoms, not the disease.
Yeah, so? Why stop going after the symptoms just because the disease isn't being treated, when the more reasonable course of action would be to continue going after the symptoms and to begin going after the disease as well. This isn't an either/or situation. You can have it both ways.

[Beeth]

What kind of a sick animal would rape a 5 year old? Inexplicable.

Leftists should at least concede the possibility that maybe humans are basically sick and violent - and then proceed to establish a social order on that basis. Wishful thinking won't help.

[MarxArchist]

I don't want this thread to turn into another "kill/castrate all rapists" posturing thread. Granted, this is a horrible case and it's especially bad that police are trying to "reduce" rapes simply by not recording them. From reports in the news, it does seem that there is a real problem in India with sexual assaults, and the way that they are seen and dealt with. I know there have been a few demonstrations recently after some particularly horrible rape cases, but I am not sure what else is being done to combat the problem. I think that instead of spending time raging about individual cases of rape, which are all awful and should make anyone angry, we should be looking at the circumstances, the motivations, the power structures that allow such things to happen and discuss what we can do to prevent future rape cases and best support the survivors of the cases we couldn't prevent. Although India has been in the media spotlight regarding rape recently, it definitely isn't a problem unique to India. It affects people everywhere.

Indeed. I was a little too angry after reading that last night to give any sort of meaningful analysis, sorry. I'm not sure if the kidnapping, torture and rape of a 5 year old is even a side effect of patriarchy or if this is simply pure deviance. Maybe both. I don't know. Can everything be categorized in a homogeneous fashion? I can maybe see the danger of minimizing rape against adult women by being dumfounded when men do shit like this and correct me if I'm wrong, I probably am, but, sometimes I feel that no matter what some people are just born bad. The tale of the scorpion and the frog comes to mind. I'm totally open to any sort of criticism for seeing things this way.

[Vanilla]

I hope that we don't forget about the 5 year old victim in all of this when we debate capital punishment for rapists. In my opinion, it's good that people are bringing attention to it even though it's only for individual cases. It brings attention to the topic and allows discussions like this to happen. India's tougher punishment for rapists is definitely a step in the right direction, although there is still a long way to go.

[MarxArchist]

I hope that we don't forget about the 5 year old victim in all of this when we debate capital punishment for rapists.
Please don't debate capital punishment for rapists. That was my fault for posting my knee jerk reaction 'feelings' on the subject. It was late when I posted, was in a bad mood and had a few glasses of wine.

[Philosophos]

I don't agree with the death penalty, but how many people did Che have executed again :grin:?

Well you are talking about war. War "brings" up the beast inside every human. It's not objective to compare the state of war with the everyday life we live now. If anyone wants death penalnty to be executed in USA for example where there is no war (inside the USA) then he's mindless.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Stop using medical analogies for this shit. Please, it's annoying and only makes you look like an ignoramus.

Medicine is about palliating the symptoms of AND resolving the causes of disease. Or am I imagining analgesics, antipyretics, and respiratory decongestants? By the time you get around to knocking out an infection, a patient could die from something as simple as a fever.

Punishment and rehabilitation/prevention are not mutually exclusive, and it's pathetic to see yet another thread turn into a slinging match between two strawmen.

Maybe you're right, I shouldn't be using medical analogies to describe how the death penalty isn't a suitable punishment.
But how do you justify using the death penalty as a form of punishment?



I don't agree with the death penalty, but how many people did Che have executed again ?

I believe Che Guevara said that after the executions in 1959 (in 1960 - On Revolutionary Medicine).

On topic - I'd like to know why the media is latching onto India more than any other country at the moment (in terms of rape).
Or is this not true?

[The Jay]

Maybe you're right, I shouldn't be using medical analogies to describe how the death penalty isn't a suitable punishment.
But how do you justify using the death penalty as a form of punishment?

It isn't. It is vengeance. It is not an attempt to reform or fix the person. It is society saying one or both of these things, "Your rights are no longer respected and we don't want to deal with you anymore." or "The people you wronged deserve to cause you pain, suffering, and death." Despite this, you must show why this is an incorrect practice I'm afraid.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

It isn't. It is vengeance. It is not an attempt to reform or fix the person. It is society saying one or both of these things, "Your rights are no longer respected and we don't want to deal with you anymore." or "The people you wronged deserve to cause you pain, suffering, and death." Despite this, you must show why this is an incorrect practice I'm afraid.

I'd like to create a new thread for this.