Why anti-racist ISN'T a codeword for Anti-white!

[Comrade Nasser]

Some videos about the subject. The second video isn't as good as the first though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jigzA1ThXdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWjHnFnxAbA

This thread is basically dedicated to compiling arguement's to use against WN's.

If you could help by posting links and whatnot please do so.

[Fourth Internationalist]

The comment section... ridiculous.

[Comrade Nasser]

The comment section... ridiculous.

Uhh I know. It makes you just cringe a little bit :(

[tachosomoza]

Because anybody who says shit like that is retarded.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Comments aren't as bad as Russia Today videos. Every second post and it's 'jew shill' thisb and 'China owns Russia' that.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Uhh I know. It makes you just cringe a little bit :(And it takes years off your life. Never read the comment sections of anything online - you'll live longer. Reading just one racist post in a comment section per day equals smoking two packs of cigarettes a day.

I don't know if there is much use in trying to debunk claims by racists or fascists, because for the most part they just make some hysterical emotional appeal based in nothing really. It may be more productive to try and debunk more widely used myths in the mainstream that people accept or adopt while not ever thinking it's racist logic.

At any rate, their main hysterical appeal is to a Hobbesian "war of each against all" in society which they then frame in racial-group terms "war of each racial group against all other racial groups". This has a broader appeal outside of fascist circles to the right and even some liberals because the Hobbesian view is promoted in the mainstream and because people do have to compete with each-other in capitalist conditions, both as workers or as small businesspeople.

We can argue on a logical basis (with people who don't consider themselves racists/"racialists" but might be confused or drawn to some of this logic) by taking the argument out of the sort of frames set up either in capitalist arguments or in fascist arguments. We can talk about how racial oppression of groups ultimately is part of an attempt to rob all workers. But ultimately I think it would take class struggles that can create a sense of organic solidarity, clarify and expose who actually is holding all the social and wealth cards (the ruling class, not this or that group), and show in practical terms how solidarity, rather than group-competition can win us "the whole cake" rather than just more crumbs than the next guy.

[Comrade Nasser]

Because anybody who says shit like that is retarded.

Tacho don't use that word please :(

It's kind of offensive and I don't wanna see you get banned or in trouble. Just watch what you write.

[Nevsky]

It's a shame that so many idiots on the internet buy into the right-wing conspiracy bullshit. They always sound as if there was a global communist/liberal system suppressing the "heroic" white man. They feel so smart and yet they only reproduce Goebbels' and their "Führer's" paranoid lunacy from 100 years ago.

[Comrade Nasser]

It's a shame that so many idiots on the internet buy into the right-wing conspiracy bullshit. They always sound as if there was a global communist/liberal system suppressing the "heroic" white man. They feel so smart and yet they only reproduce Goebbels' and their "Führer's" paranoid lunacy from 100 years ago.

I got a new mantra for them: White Nationalism is a codeword for White Supremacy!

[Q]

Equating anti-racism with being anti-white is about as stupid as equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.

[Jimmie Higgins]

It's a shame that so many idiots on the internet buy into the right-wing conspiracy bullshit. They always sound as if there was a global communist/liberal system suppressing the "heroic" white man. They feel so smart and yet they only reproduce Goebbels' and their "Führer's" paranoid lunacy from 100 years ago.

I think also we get a warped perception of racism in society from the internet. Not to downplay the ubiquitousness of racism in most of our countries, but I think the partial sucess of at least making overt white supremacy taboo in the mainstream has caused fascists to focus their energies online more. I'm in an organization of 100s, for example, and there are what 3 members of my org on this site - so while radicals might use the internet for some propaganda (blogs, etc) most of us in urban areas are able to do things in the community and so our main focus can be there whereas NAZIs can't have weekly meetings and their demonstrations have to be guarded by dozens of cops. So IRL they do a lot of kinda covert things, entryism into "respectable" far-right things like the minutmen or tea-party and sneak around trying to meet other racists in the ones and twos. But online they can have a community, they can gang-troll some liberal or radical website's comment sections etc.

[GerrardWinstanley]

With all due respect, I think you are wasting your time confronting people like this online in debate, especially in social media. By repeating this obnoxious racist meme (even for the purposes of attacking it), you are unwittingly disseminating their ideas. To the best of my knowledge, this 'anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white' meme is largely the handiwork of 14/88 blog (I'll leave you to ponder what that means). A site dedicated to Nazi murderer and terrorist David Lane.

Doing it on social media YouTube is especially counterproductive. This is an uncontrolled environment so you will invariably get fascists creating hundreds of sock accounts and getting their friends from Stormfront or wherever to raid your page or video. This is oxygen to them.

[Red Nightmare]

Don't bother reading the comments section of videos like that on Youtube, all you will do is succeed in making yourself very pissed off at those types of people., I've noticed that people who shout mantras like "antiracism is a code for anti-white are basically stormfronters who are mad that society is moving away from tolerating their hate speech and want to try to play the victim by claiming that anti-racism is discrimination against them. They also tend to be they type of conspiracy idiots who believe in the "New World Order" and "the International Jewish conspiracy". Sadly people this ignorant rarely change their minds about anything so don't waste your time on them.

[Brutus]

Equating anti-racism with being anti-white is about as stupid as equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.

I think there's a connection...

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I would argue that anti-racism does entail the abolition of white privilege and white supremacy. If our actions don't work towards those goals, we fall into the trap of idealistically regarding so-called "reverse racism" as equally repugnant/responsible for inequality and oppression as "normal" racism, leading to ineffective action which does not address the root of the problem. They are not equals because one is not systemic/global and does not include hundreds of years of (ongoing) oppression. The concept of 'white pride' is reification of relationships of domination, subjugation, exploitation--psychological separation of the self from the dehumanized other, an expression of self-worth over others; black/brown pride, Négritude, etc. is identification of the self within "the other," A.K.A. solidarity.

Without racism, people would not be subjugated within oppressive cultures rooted in hundreds of years of anti-miscegenation laws that inform a large part about who you would start a family with, who your family is, and inculcates white supremacist standards of beauty. Since whiteness is constructed as a "recessive" trait, would it eventually cease to exist in a free society where it is not valued over others? Why this anxiety? It's interesting that despite this, more U.S. Americans whose ancestors came as cargo in slave ships identify as white than as African-American. It says something about how this system functions. While anti-racism is definitely anti-white supremacy, it does not mean anti-people with pale skin, who would of course still exist in a free egalitarian society, if not just due to albinism, but also because people in such a society would not feel the need to deny solidarity to their fellow human beings on the arbitrary basis 18th century pseudoscience.

[Comrade Nasser]

The thing is the Nazis have much a bigger online presence than us, and it makes sense. If they said half the shit they said on scumfront they would be eaten and probably get the tar beat out of them. Where as if you say you are a communist or Anarchist in real life people usually laugh and don't take you seriously (I freaking hate that.

[Dropdead]

Reading the comments on those videos just makes me want to die.

[bcbm]

the social construction 'the white race' is the enemy though, it is the foundation of racism as it exists today and so to be 'anti racist' means to be 'anti white' because this historical construction needs to be destroyed. let the racists cry, racism needs to be destroyed and part of this is destroying 'race' as it exists today, especially 'the white race' as the pinnacle of racial supremacy

[BAMslam15]

I have an anxiety disorder, and honestly, the whole "Anti-racist is a codeword for Anti-White" got me worried about going online for a month!! The so-called "mantra" is incredibly flawed! Just because we want people to get along and wipe out racism and prejudice, does not mean I want to demonize white people!! This idiocy is very hypocritical and I wish we could make a new campaign to counter white nationalist claims of "white genocide" and "ZOG" ;)1

[evermilion]

Anybody talking about "reverse racism" like it's a systemic thing like regular racism needs to take a long walk on a short pier.

[Comrade #138672]

Anti-racism is anti-white privileges. The Nazi forgot the privilege part.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Anti-racism is anti-white privileges. The Nazi forgot the privilege part.Except they might agree with that. They want to "defend white people" from people taking their privilages; since most people don't feel particularly "privilaged" in capitalist society, it's part of their motivation to defend racial or ethnic hierarchies. They see society as a battle between racial groups and so any blow against racism is seen as an attack on them.

I think we need to counter with how racism also indirectly (or directly, if you're black or an immigrant) hurts all workers and ultimately helps maintain an order where regular people of all groups and identities have less power and are easier to exploit.

[Sudsy]

I`ve just always though the anti-racist=anti-white was a justification for emotional racial hatred. They think the politically correct liberal agenda is a plot for genocide against the white race, some crap like that. They want to believe all non whites are conspiring against. I`m sort of guessing, I really don`t know what these people believe.

[dimaniac]

republicans are not anti-black either

[Thewhitesea]

You know, I have never gotten why the fuck this is even compared to "white genocide". If that were the case, I'm surprised there are still many white people around today. Who besides the white nationalists of the world would even consider worrying about how one's predominantly white country is supposedly being flooded by immigrants or how the public is supposed to accept their culture and background? Many non-white nations embrace a lot of the cultures and foreigners a lot of the time, so there should be no reason why the white nations shouldn't be able to do the same. Along with that, the theory that immigrants of all races all around the world are planning to destroy the entire white race is just so fucking ridiculous on all levels of rationality.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-racist. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Anti-White]

Why anti-racist ISN'T a codeword for Anti-white!

That depends upon who you're talking to.

[Red Phalanx]

What if it is anti-white, so what? If whites can't handle the truth of the cancer of white racism then it is their own fault. Almost everything I see connected to anti-racism is aimed at whites and I am fine with that (but then, I'm not white). This thread sounds strangely like white people trying to have their whiteness and fight it too. Choose sides, you're going to have to in the end anyway because we non-whites are going to force you to choose. It's our world, you just dominate it.

[Fourth Internationalist]

What if it is anti-white, so what? If whites can't handle the truth of the cancer of white racism then it is their own fault. Almost everything I see connected to anti-racism is aimed at whites and I am fine with that (but then, I'm not white). This thread sounds strangely like white people trying to have their whiteness and fight it too. Choose sides, you're going to have to in the end anyway because we non-whites are going to force you to choose. It's our world, you just dominate it.

Fighting white racism (ie from whites) is not anti-white though. And what do you mean by "choose sides" and the rest after that?

[Red Phalanx]

Fighting white racism (ie from whites) is not anti-white though. And what do you mean by "choose sides" and the rest after that?

What I mean by choosing sides is your whiteness or justice.

The problem with racism is bound up with whiteness. Destroy whiteness and you destroy racism. We have largely done that. Open racists are shot down quickly and pushed to the margins as soon as their racism becomes apparent. Even non-racists are marginalized if they do not tow the line, which I whole-heartedly support.

Now that we have emasculated whites in general white leftists are going to have to relinquish their own leadership roles, move to the back of the bus, so to speak, and allow people of color to take the reins.

I don't know what anti-racist whites are thinking, but most people of color see anti-racism as an anti-white movement. After all, nobody in the anti-racist movement is arguing that Japan needs to be more diverse, are they? Hell no.

[Fourth Internationalist]

What I mean by choosing sides is your whiteness or justice.

The problem with racism is bound up with whiteness. Destroy whiteness and you destroy racism. We have largely done that. Open racists are shot down quickly and pushed to the margins as soon as their racism becomes apparent. Even non-racists are marginalized if they do not tow the line, which I whole-heartedly support.

Now that we have emasculated whites in general white leftists are going to have to relinquish their own leadership roles, move to the back of the bus, so to speak, and allow people of color to take the reins.

I don't know what anti-racist whites are thinking, but most people of color see anti-racism as an anti-white movement. After all, nobody in the anti-racist movement is arguing that Japan needs to be more diverse, are they? Hell no.

Are you trolling?

[Red Phalanx]

Are you trolling?

What, if you disagree with me I'm a troll?

[Skyhilist]

stuff

Question: How come when quoting this person the second half of the username is bleeped out? Was there another user named Phálanx who got the mods really pissed off like with Roóster (obviously ignore the accent marks)?

[Fourth Internationalist]

What, if you disagree with me I'm a troll?

Did I say that? No. Did you read your racist posts?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

The problem with racism is bound up with whiteness. Destroy whiteness and you destroy racism. We have largely done that. Open racists are shot down quickly and pushed to the margins as soon as their racism becomes apparent.
What? This doesn't happen at all. In fact, most conservatives in government are quite open about their support of institutions that support systems of institutional racism, even though they'll claim that they aren't racist or are doing what's best for the economy. Pile this with the fact that open racists usually aren't criticised (and even welcomed in some communities), and that social attitudes are becoming increasingly xenophobic out of kneejerk reaction to the current economic crisis.

One of Hungary's largest parties is trying to build walls around fucking Roma communities, and supports 'ethnopluralism' (right-wing happy terms for extreme ethnic segregation). The racism you talk of being destroyed is alive and well.


Even non-racists are marginalized if they do not tow the line, which I whole-heartedly support.
What do you mean by non-racists being marginalised? Shooting people with white skin? Nice to meet you, Pol Pot.


I don't know what anti-racist whites are thinking, but most people of color see anti-racism as an anti-white movement.

Most 'people of colour' see anti-racism as anti-white? You do know that 'people of colour is in itself a blanket term for over half the worlds' population, right? Are you claiming to speak for nearly 5 billion people?

My half-sister is not white skinned and she doesn't see anti-racism as being 'crush all whites'. See, I can make anecdotes too!

And what do you mean by 'anti-white'? The social construct of 'whiteness' and the advantage people within this category have in society, and the historical economic and social repression that polarised Europe in contrast with the rest of the world for many years? If that's the case then I'm totally with you.

But from what I've read, you seem to be implying something else. Something you would expect from the NBPP - Social Darwinism.


After all, nobody in the anti-racist movement is arguing that Japan needs to be more diverse, are they? Hell no.
Where do you get this shit from? People ARE CONSISTENTLY focusing on the massive racialism that occurs in Malaysia, South Korea and Japan. Maybe not in your region, but where I live being against the racial (and often class-based, as in S. Korea) elitism of those countries is a common political position. Racism does not simply extend to the concept of 'whiteness'. It can encompass systematic and social abuse of certain ethnicities by other ethnicities (this can be in groups as well). Examples include the mistreatment of pygmies in central Africa and the marginalisation of Palestinians in Israel. And lets' not forget the modern slavery occurring in the Arabian peninsula with Indian migrant workers.

Racism is prevalent towards people who aren't connected to the political concept of whiteness, but it is most certainly not exclusive with this concept, even in its' institutional form.

[Red Phalanx]

Did I say that? No. Did you read your racist posts?

You insinuated it didn't you. Ah, now I see you for what you are.

I didn't just read it, I wrote it, motherfucker. :grin:

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Question: How come when quoting this person the second half of the username is bleeped out? Was there another user named Phálanx who got the mods really pissed off like with Roóster (obviously ignore the accent marks)?
It's because there's a fascist nazbol (nazi-bolshevik) website of the same name (social failanx) which has all these racist twatbags who claim to be communist but are enraptured with nation-states, ethnic segregation and racist concepts such as eurasianism - especially the fascist strasserism that marauded over the British left during the early 20th century. They used to troll a hell of a lot here, hence the censoring of the name.

This is also why I mildly suspect that this user is some white-supremacist troll. However, if he or she is serious, this Red ******* guy either has a very logical viewpoint on the concept of racism in Europe and the United states (albeit generalised), or is some NBPP fascist pig, depending on what they mean by 'whiteness' and 'marginalisation'.

[Fourth Internationalist]

You insinuated it didn't you. Ah, now I see you for what you are.

I didn't just read it, I wrote it, motherfucker. :grin:

Troll.

[Red Phalanx]

Troll.

Looking at that avatar and that sig, my response is ...

Pussy!

[Fourth Internationalist]

Looking at that avatar and that sig, my response is ...

Pussy!

*facepalm*

[Red Phalanx]

What? This doesn't happen at all. In fact, most conservatives in government are quite open about their support of institutions that support systems of institutional racism, even though they'll claim that they aren't racist or are doing what's best for the economy. Pile this with the fact that open racists usually aren't criticised (and even welcomed in some communities), and that social attitudes are becoming increasingly xenophobic out of kneejerk reaction to the current economic crisis.

Name me an openly racist party or institution in the US that is mainstream? Be realistic. Republicans get called racists all the time by social democrats. what planet are you living on?


One of Hungary's largest parties is trying to build walls around fucking Roma communities, and supports 'ethnopluralism' (right-wing happy terms for extreme ethnic segregation). The racism you talk of being destroyed is alive and well.

What the fuck do I know about Hungary or even care? Funny that communism didn't wipe out racism though, isn't it?



What do you mean by non-racists being marginalised? Shooting people with white skin? Nice to meet you, Pol Pot.

Non-racist right-wingers and right-wing groups get called racist all the time in this country. I'm all for it. Against my enemies, all methods are good.


Most 'people of colour' see anti-racism as anti-white? You do know that 'people of colour is in itself a blanket term for over half the worlds' population, right? Are you claiming to speak for nearly 5 billion people?

Me, my parents, and all the non-white activists I have ever met see anti-racism as an anti-white project. Hell, a lot of WHITE activists see it that way as well. Who are you hanging out with? there is a very unsubtle anti-white message in a good deal of anti-racist, multiculturalist material.


My half-sister is not white skinned and she doesn't see anti-racism as being 'crush all whites'. See, I can make anecdotes too!

Your sister should get out more and quit hanging out with you. she might learn something of value.


And what do you mean by 'anti-white'? The social construct of 'whiteness' and the advantage people within this category have in society, and the historical economic and social repression that polarised Europe in contrast with the rest of the world for many years? If that's the case then I'm totally with you.

Any construct of white you care to offer.


But from what I've read, you seem to be implying something else. Something you would expect from the NBPP - Social Darwinism.

I would say you need reading comprehension lessons, but there's no way you could have gotten that impression unless you are either retarded or fucking retarded. Which is it?


Where do you get this shit from? People ARE CONSISTENTLY focusing on the massive racialism that occurs in Malaysia, South Korea and Japan ...

Not in my neighborhood. We don't give a fuck about the Japanese. We fought against Rhodesia, not Zimbabwe. Are you advocating that Zimbabweans be taken to task for reprisals against whites there? I damn sure don't.

[Red Phalanx]

*facepalm*

I rest my case, pussy.

[Per Levy]

I rest my case, pussy.

if you use "pussy" more often you'll get a ban for using sexist language, wich is not acceptet on here. so better stop with using words like this or you'll get banned pretty soon.

[Per Levy]

What the fuck do I know about Hungary or even care?

well, you might care to know how racism works in other parts of the world, for it can be usefull knowledge.


Funny that communism didn't wipe out racism though, isn't it?

communism didnt exist, so i dont know what communism has to do with anything here. at best, if we accept the marxist-leninist line, the east block was socialist to some extend.


Not in my neighborhood. We don't give a fuck about the Japanese.

so why bring up japan then? you said " After all, nobody in the anti-racist movement is arguing that Japan needs to be more diverse, are they? Hell no." afterall, and someone pointed out that japan is a very racist society.

[Red Phalanx]

if you use "pussy" more often you'll get a ban for using sexist language, wich is not acceptet on here. so better stop with using words like this or you'll get banned pretty soon.

Holy shit! You're gonna BAN ME? That would mean I can't post here? Oh my god, what will I do? Damn, what will my mother and father say? What will I tell Archie and Jughead when I see them down at the malt shoppe?

[#FF0000]

lmao this thread holy shit.

[#FF0000]

Name me an openly racist party or institution in the US that is mainstream? Be realistic.

The entire justice system, tbh.

[Per Levy]

Holy shit! You're gonna BAN ME? That would mean I can't post here? Oh my god, what will I do? Damn, what will my mother and father say? What will I tell Archie and Jughead when I see them down at the malt shoppe?

i wont ban you, i cant ban you and i wouldnt even if i could, but im telling you that sexist language isnt allowed here and that includes "pussy".


Name me an openly racist party or institution in the US that is mainstream? Be realistic.

the police, just to name a big one.

[Skyhilist]

It's because there's a fascist nazbol (nazi-bolshevik) website of the same name (social failanx) which has all these racist twatbags who claim to be communist but are enraptured with nation-states, ethnic segregation and racist concepts such as eurasianism - especially the fascist strasserism that marauded over the British left during the early 20th century. They used to troll a hell of a lot here, hence the censoring of the name.

This is also why I mildly suspect that this user is some white-supremacist troll. However, if he or she is serious, this Red ******* guy either has a very logical viewpoint on the concept of racism in Europe and the United states (albeit generalised), or is some NBPP fascist pig, depending on what they mean by 'whiteness' and 'marginalisation'.

Oh that site. I am honestly so confused by that site. They support nation states, but then they say that racist, Nazi, sexist speech, etc. is not allowed on their site and have a crossed out swastika on the front page. But then they have numerous users who support racial separatism. It's like they're some how trying to meld leftist and racist ideas while pretending they're not racist. Weird.

[Dropdead]

i wont ban you, i cant ban you and i wouldnt even if i could, but im telling you that sexist language isnt allowed here and that includes "pussy".



What's so goddamn sexist about pussy? This thread is a fucking joke.

[RedAnarchist]

What's so goddamn sexist about pussy? This thread is a fucking joke.

You have to be joking, right? You can't see how the use of a slang term for female genitalia as an insult is sexist?

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[Fourth Internationalist]

I rest my case, pussy.

I dont understand how I am female genitals, nor why or how that is an insult.

[Red Flag Rising]

I dont understand how I am female genitals, nor why or how that is an insult.

That's what makes you such a pussy.

[bcbm]

That's what makes you such a pussy.

here, have an infraction.

[Red Flag Rising]

here, have an infraction.

Thanks, pussy!

[RedAnarchist]

Thanks, pussy!

Here, have a ban for being a troll.

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[Spartacist]

Damn, if you can't call someone a pussy without getting banned, this place has gone to hell! There's a case to be made that doing so constitutes cultural hegemony.

I don't blame black comrades for their hostility to all whites. I am surprised that some people on these boards would challenge that idea. Blacks have deep wounds that whites cannot fathom.

[RedAnarchist]

Damn, if you can't call someone a pussy without getting banned, this place has gone to hell! There's a case to be made that doing so constitutes cultural hegemony.

I don't blame black comrades for their hostility to all whites. I am surprised that some people on these boards would challenge that idea. Blacks have deep wounds that whites cannot fathom.

You can debate that elsewhere, as you are using a sockpuppet which is about to be banned. Although maybe that is why you are using these old accounts, to get them banned.

[RedAnarchist]

I have now closed this thread seeing as the OP, and a rather persistent member, have been banned.