Two explosions at US marathon

[B5C]

Police say two explosions at the finish line of the Boston Marathon have resulted in injuries.

Bloody spectators were being carried on Monday to the medical tent that had been set up to care for fatigued runners.

Police wove through competitors as they ran back towards the course.

"There are a lot of people down,'' said one man, whose bib No 17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina.

He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg.

A Boston police officer was wheeled from the course with a leg injury that was bleeding.

About three hours after the winners crossed the line, there was a loud explosion on the north side of Boylston Street, just before the photo bridge that marks the finish line.

Another explosion could be heard a few seconds later.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/04/2013415191144419266.html

Looks like a possible terrorist attack. Two explosions at the finish line doesn't make it look like an accidental explosion.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I hope this wasn't a leftist being stupid

[RedAnarchist]

Yeah, I just saw this now, I'm watching BBC News on their website. I hope injuries are kept to a minimum.

[Crixus]

They're saying multiple people are dead. I'll repeat the "I hope this wasn't a leftist being stupid" post.

[B5C]

Here is how the blame will go down:

First it will be blamed on Muslims then left wingers and then Right wingers and then towards a lone wolf. I can see this happening within twenty four hours.

[RedAnarchist]

Here is how the blame will go down:

First it will be blamed on Muslims then left wingers and then Right wingers and then towards a lone wolf. I can see this happening within twenty four hours.

I remember watching the news when Breivik's attacks occurred and almost as soon as the news of the Oslo bomb broke, there was a woman who specialises in terrorism analysis or something going on about Islamic terrorists.

[Crixus]

Here is how the blame will go down:

First it will be blamed on Muslims then left wingers and then Right wingers and then towards a lone wolf. I can see this happening within twenty four hours.

And new laws will be pushed making it illegal to do, say, think or act like this or that. More cameras will go up everywhere and you'll have to be searched at every stop light before you cross the street. Whichever cause the bomber had will be forgotten in a couple weeks, if not the same day, and people will go on buying stuff. Fuck this sounds nihilistic.

[Deity]

Explosion was caught on camera

[B5C]

They're saying multiple people are dead. I'll repeat the "I hope this wasn't a leftist being stupid" post.

From what I heard that it is only FOX NEWS is carrying the report of deaths. All other outlets report no deaths. I would wait to more confirmation.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

An excuse for increased state repression and crackdown.Keep left protest movements off balanced, keep the population in fear.

Conspiracy theories are over indulged and are generally harmful. However, the FBI does have a well earned rep for entrapment. We don't know what happened yet

[TheGodlessUtopian]

From what I heard that it is only FOX NEWS is carrying the report of deaths. All other outlets report no deaths. I would wait to more confirmation.

ThinkProgress has reported a couple people died...

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/15/1868281/explosions-at-the-boston-marathon/

[Luc]

Why would someone bomb a marathon? :confused:

[hatzel]

Nice to see the gut-reaction on hearing that people have been injured, perhaps even killed, is 'maaaaan I hope this doesn't make the Left look bad!'

Real classy.

[RedAnarchist]

Why would someone bomb a marathon? :confused:

Plenty of people to kill, I would guess. Tends of thousands of spectators and runners.

[Akshay!]

From what I heard that it is only FOX NEWS is carrying the report of deaths. All other outlets report no deaths. I would wait to more confirmation.

3 confirmed deaths - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/15/explosions-finish-line-boston-marathon/2085193/
(http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/15/explosions-finish-line-boston-marathon/2085193/)

[slum]

i've not seen reports of deaths from the local media here, but have seen 'some people have lost limbs'

gonna get dressed and head downtown to see whats up

[B5C]

3 confirmed deaths - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...athon/2085193/

USA was using Fox News as a source.

Damn the bomb was brutal:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BH6fwFvCUAA-PWb-e1366052607949.jpg

[RedAnarchist]

i've not seen reports of deaths from the local media here, but have seen 'some people have lost limbs'

gonna get dressed and head downtown to see whats up

Be careful, according to BBC they may have found another device in another hotel and have evacuated Boston's second biggest building.

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254/web - sounds like there may be a controlled explosion of that third device.

[Akshay!]

Video of the explosion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H4Mx5qbgeNo

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Plenty of people to kill, I would guess. Tends of thousands of spectators and runners.

I heard though that the bombs detonated three hours after the runners crossed the finish line. What gets me is why the culprits didn't have the bombs explode immediately after the runners had crossed. Now I have never been to this event so I do not know the amount of people at any given time but it just seems like the most "opportune time" would be when people are packed anticipating the finale. The time in-between is a bit odd.

At any rate I think the culprits are likely to be Right-Wingers (if it was a terrorist act). The conservative realm has been increasingly fired up over Obama's policies and I am sure the recent debate on marriage equality isn't helping their reactionary mind-set. I could be wrong but I have my bets hedged on them.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

i've not seen reports of deaths from the local media here, but have seen 'some people have lost limbs'

gonna get dressed and head downtown to see whats up

Please do not. Going out would risk yourself becoming involved in any future attack. My instinct would be to stay indoors. :)

[#FF0000]

At any rate I think the culprits are likely to be Right-Wingers (if it was a terrorist act). The conservative realm has been increasingly fired up over Obama's policies and I am sure the recent debate on marriage equality isn't helping their reactionary mind-set. I could be wrong but I have my bets hedged on them.

It's also Tax Day and "Patriots Day", so.

Who knows.

[B5C]

i've not seen reports of deaths from the local media here, but have seen 'some people have lost limbs'

gonna get dressed and head downtown to see whats up

Don't go. Curiosity may got you hooked, but we don't want see you on the injury or death reports if more attacks continue.

[Comrade Samuel]

Nice to see the gut-reaction on hearing that people have been injured, perhaps even killed, is 'maaaaan I hope this doesn't make the Left look bad!'

Real classy.

They at least have the moral high ground over fox news; I've heard 9/11 referenced about 3 times now....fuckers.

[Ele'ill]

This is depressing and makes me really sad, I don't like seeing or hearing about people getting hurt or killed. I think maybe the graphic photos and videos should have a trigger warning and spoiler tags. Politics aside I am always amazed at the people who stick around or quickly return to help people who are injured and I don't mean the cops or paramedics I mean regular folks. I've seen really bad situations where people either run away or they stand around staring and nobody does anything.

On a side note I think it must have really sucked for those last runners who obviously no longer had anything left and were all wobbly legged and probably delirious to suddenly have a literal bomb explosion right there as they were nearing the finish line. Of all things, actual bombs.

[Sasha]

It was 4 hours aftet the start so the moment most recreational runners where crossing.

Here there is talk about it maybe a TV crew generator anyway..

What is the significance of patriots day and tax day I hear being mentioned?

[B5C]

This is depressing and makes me really sad, I don't like seeing or hearing about people getting hurt or killed. I think maybe the graphic photos and videos should have a trigger warning and spoiler tags. Politics aside I am always amazed at the people who stick around or quickly return to help people who are injured and I don't mean the cops or paramedics I mean regular folks. I've seen really bad situations where people either run away or they stand around staring and nobody does anything.

On a side note I think it must have really sucked for those last runners who obviously no longer had anything left and were all wobbly legged and probably delirious to suddenly have a literal bomb explosion right there as they were nearing the finish line. Of all things, actual bombs.


I will add a spoiler tag for the image I posted earlier.

[B5C]

What is the significance of patriots day and tax day I hear being mentioned?

Today is the last day to file your taxes.


Patriots' Day (officially Patriots' Day in Massachusetts[1] and Patriot's Day in Maine[2]) is a civic holiday commemorating the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the first battles of the American Revolutionary War. It is observed on the third Monday in April in Massachusetts[3] and Maine[4] (once part of Massachusetts), and is a public school observance day in Wisconsin.[5] Observances and re-enactments of these first battles of the American Revolution occur annually at Lexington Green in Lexington, Massachusetts, (around 6:00 am) and The Old North Bridge in Concord, Massachusetts, (around 9:00 am). In the morning, mounted re-enactors (National Lancers - Massachusetts) with state police escorts retrace the rides of Paul Revere and William Dawes, calling out warnings the whole way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriots'_Day

[RedAnarchist]

They've confirmed 2 dead, 22 injured.

[#FF0000]

What is the significance of patriots day and tax day I hear being mentioned?

Tax day is just when income taxes are due. Patriots Day is the anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord. They're not particularly significant days to anyone and I probably shouldn't have even brought them up seeing as it's just wild speculation for the motives of bombers that might not even exist.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

They at least have the moral high ground over fox news; I've heard 9/11 referenced about 3 times now....fuckers.

What about the bombings in Yeman or the Pakistani tribal areas? Oh wait those aren't terrorist attacks, they are "freedom bombs".

[Ele'ill]

Here there is talk about it maybe a TV crew generator anyway..




you mean talk of it being accidental?

[Sinister Intents]

Don't know what the fuck to say about it.....

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

What is the significance of patriots day and tax day I hear being mentioned?

Radical elements of the libertarian movement have formed paramilitary groups and sleeper cells that number between 40,000 and 60,000 members. If they were to start an insurgency today would be the day and if they were to launch an attack they could probably wage a low intensity insurgency given their numbers, years of training, sympathizing elements in the army and military, and financial abilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Fuck. I thought that someone (I think a 23 year old) having a cardiac arrest in the Brighton Marathon yesterday was bad enough, now this. Marathon running official unhealthy!

And yeah, I know this is the politics forum, but can we have some humanity instead of going into political chattering overdrive? As has been said, people have been injured and even killed, it's fucking tragic :(

[bricolage]

boston marathon are specifically referring to bombs, facebook post;

"There were two bombs that exploded near the finish line in today's Boston Marathon"

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Radical elements of the libertarian movement have formed paramilitary groups and sleeper cells that number between 40,000 and 60,000 members. If they were to start an insurgency today would be the day and if they were to launch an attack they could probably wage a low intensity insurgency given their numbers, years of training, sympathizing elements in the army and military, and financial abilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement

Assuming these thousands of people were organized into tightly centralized locals which coordinated with each other prior to the launching of the insurgency. In any case the extent and reliability, and quality of this training and supply is speculation. In any case this scenario isn't something I would take seriously.

[RedAnarchist]

Alex Jones has already begun with the false flag crap.

[rednordman]

I remember watching the news when Breivik's attacks occurred and almost as soon as the news of the Oslo bomb broke, there was a woman who specialises in terrorism analysis or something going on about Islamic terrorists.I remember it clearly, this Israeli terrorism 'expert' smugly boasted about his certainty that it was a Muslim extremist as if to say 'im sorry i know you want to look at all possibilities before you come to a conclusion, but it looks just like a...' how wrong he was.

[Ele'ill]

Is the finish line area like a VIP area cause if it was and if there are 'tickets' to be in that area this might have been a specific hit? Not to add to the wildly speculative borderline trolling cornucopia of red dawn/militia conspiracy fetishization that's slowly taking place in this thread. I actually doubt that an area devoted entirely to sweaty and vomiting runners who may or may not have also shit and/or pissed themselves would be only for the rich and famous.

[IrishWorker]

Disgraceful and unjustifiable act to be totally condemned.


Tho you reap what you sow I suppose, this happened last night.

4 killed in U.S. drone strike in NW Pakistan
English.news.cn 2013-04-14 22:17:04
ISLAMABAD, April 14 (Xinhua) -- At least four people were killed in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan's northwest tribal area of North Waziristan on Sunday evening, local media reported.

Local TV channel ARY said that a U.S. drone fired two missiles at a house of suspected militants in Datta Khel area of North Waziristan, a restive tribal area on the Pakistan-Afghan border.

The house was razed to ground following the attack and some more people are feared to be buried under the debris.

Sunday's strike was launched in the country's tribal area after a brief lull of 22 days. Earlier on March 22, a U.S. drone attacked a house in the same area, killing four people and injuring two others.

It is the 11th attack of its kind in the country's semi- autonomous northwestern tribal belt since the advent of this year. So far altogether 67 people including two key Al-Qaeda operatives have been killed with several others injured in these strikes in the area.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-04/14/c_132308137.htm

[Sasha]

Here the police is reported to mention at least 4 homemade small bombs of which two exploded; http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/15/1868281/explosions-at-the-boston-marathon/?mobile=wt
Reminds me of the failed backpack bombs recently on the MLK march etc but that is just as fishfull thinking as those pointing at Muslims already...

[B5C]

Reminds me of the failed backpack bombs recently on the MLK march etc but that is just as fishfull thinking as those pointing at Muslims already...

Talking about the one in Spokane, WA? The planter of the bombs was a an white supremacist.

[VDS]

Alex Jones has already begun with the false flag crap.

Ah he's still alive? I was sure by now he'd succumb to blood shooting out of his neck. Apparently the man is fueled and kept alive by conspiracy theories and the fumes he releases when he's getting worked up. Well if anything he's self sustainable.

But really though, that guy needs to go under a rock...a big one...like a boulder...and let it drop on him.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Another blast at the JFK library: http://rt.com/usa/library-blast-police-boston-914/

[Sasha]

Yeah, thats what I was refering to, non suicide improvised explosives on public gatherings/places makes me assume rightwing and/or mental ill but I'm obviously biased..

[VDS]

Disgraceful and unjustifiable act to be totally condemned.


Tho you reap what you sow I suppose, this happened last night.

4 killed in U.S. drone strike in NW Pakistan
English.news.cn 2013-04-14 22:17:04
ISLAMABAD, April 14 (Xinhua) -- At least four people were killed in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan's northwest tribal area of North Waziristan on Sunday evening, local media reported.

Local TV channel ARY said that a U.S. drone fired two missiles at a house of suspected militants in Datta Khel area of North Waziristan, a restive tribal area on the Pakistan-Afghan border.

The house was razed to ground following the attack and some more people are feared to be buried under the debris.

Sunday's strike was launched in the country's tribal area after a brief lull of 22 days. Earlier on March 22, a U.S. drone attacked a house in the same area, killing four people and injuring two others.

It is the 11th attack of its kind in the country's semi- autonomous northwestern tribal belt since the advent of this year. So far altogether 67 people including two key Al-Qaeda operatives have been killed with several others injured in these strikes in the area.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-04/14/c_132308137.htm

Don't say it's unjustifiable then post what you did though. It's not exactly helping your original message. The drone attacks are horrible, but this isn't "reaping what you sow" this is people that have NOTHING to do with that situation being hurt and killed.

[B5C]

Another blast at the JFK library: http://rt.com/usa/library-blast-police-boston-914/

Odd, none of the any news stations reporting this live don't report another bombing.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Hope this has nothing to do with the North Koreans, else we're gonna have some fireworks real soon.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

sky news have reported on the 3rd blast:

http://news.sky.com/story/1078597/boston-marathon-explosions-third-blast

[B5C]

Hope this has nothing to do with the North Koreans, else we're gonna have some fireworks real soon.

Well I won't be surprised if some people blame them. The North Koreans are coming back to replace the Muslims as America's bad-guy again.

[Comrade #138672]

And already North Korea and the Muslims have been blamed.

[RedAnarchist]

Odd, none of the any news stations reporting this live don't report another bombing.

Some are saying it was a fire unconnected to the explosions.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Well I won't be surprised if some people blame them. The North Koreans are coming back to replace the Muslims as America's bad-guy again.

Meh. The US has nothing to gain from war with/invasion of NK, though. War would be a lose-lose for all sides.

[Ele'ill]

comments are being posted on news feeds saying the 3rd 'blast' was just a random fire or something. If you all didn't know already take notes because this is the time that random fires like to happen it's just the way the universe is mathematically

[B5C]

I just heard the Boston PD press conference on ABC NEWS. They just confirmed the 3rd explosion at JFK Library.

[VDS]

Just saw that the 3rd explosion was confirmed.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQf VsH1yI

suspect in hospital, saudi national. Hmm.

[shuras]

Bomb the mosque, radicalize the moderates.

[IrishWorker]

Don't say it's unjustifiable then post what you did though. It's not exactly helping your original message. The drone attacks are horrible, but this isn't "reaping what you sow" this is people that have NOTHING to do with that situation being hurt and killed.

This heinous attack happened in "The West", bomb attacks take place nearly everyday of the week somewhere else, carried out by the west, where are all those Revleft threads about near daily drone attacks in Afghanistan etc. Little bit of hypocrisy at work here.

[B5C]

Please don't trust the New York Post they are a tabloid and they are very right wing.

[RedAnarchist]

Please don't trust the New York Post they are a tabloid and they are very right wing.

I was wondering how reputable they were. Are they like an American Daily Mail?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

This heinous attack happened in "The West", bomb attacks take place nearly everyday of the week somewhere else, carried out by the west, where are all those Revleft threads about near daily drone attacks in Afghanistan etc. Little bit of hypocrisy at work here.

It's the regional nature of news. Every news item is regional, because it happens somewhere.

Seriously, just have some respect. We all get just as angry at the everyday drone strikes that happen elsewhere in the world, and the injustice of all that. That these attacks have happened in the US do not diminish the injustice of the death and misery that they have caused/are causing, ok!

[VDS]

This heinous attack happened in "The West", bomb attacks take place nearly everyday of the week somewhere else, carried out by the west, where are all those Revleft threads about near daily drone attacks in Afghanistan etc. Little bit of hypocrisy at work here.

What hypocrisy is there? We condemn those attacks almost by the second it seems!

The hypocrisy is that you treat one different than the other. Even if you didn't, it STILL doesn't take away that it's not "reaping what you sow".

The fact is that LIKE drone strikes over seas, which are horrible, this is a separate act that is ALSO horrible. It's hypocritical to act like "well it's horrible over there, but it's just a reaction to something over here" almost a business as usual state of mind.

Again, what happened is a separate, horrible thing. Did they attack government buildings? No, this hurt and killed regular people. It has no bearing on what happens in other parts of the world.

[B5C]

I was wondering how reputable they were. Are they like an American Daily Mail?

Yes, and it's also owned by News Corp.

[RedAnarchist]

Yes, and it's also owned by News Corp.

A Murdoch paper. So full of shit and lies then.

[B5C]

A Murdoch paper. So full of shit and lies then.

The sad thing that Fox News is most trustworthy than the NY Post, but not that much.

[RedAnarchist]

NBC Sports Network ‏@NBCSN 12m
Reports of Marathon Runners that crossed finish line and continued to run to Mass General Hospital to give blood to victims

[TheGodlessUtopian]

The Boston police have shut down cell phone service in order to prevent the detonation of any more explosives. If anyone has family in the Boston area and are trying to reach them take this into consideration.

[Ele'ill]

NBC Sports Network ‏@NBCSN 12m
Reports of Marathon Runners that crossed finish line and continued to run to Mass General Hospital to give blood to victims

this is amazing, until it gets spun as patriotism and hella America

[Sidagma]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQf VsH1yI

suspect in hospital, saudi national. Hmm.

In other words, they found some random brown guy who was in the explosion and just assumed it was him.

Calling it now: we'll never hear of him again.

[Red Nightmare]

Knowing America it will probably be blamed on either Muslims, anarchists, or leftists. The media never lets white conservative Christians to look bad, if it one of them does turn out to be the culprit, they'll just claim it is just one crazed person.

[#FF0000]

Knowing America it will probably be blamed on either Muslims, anarchists, or leftists.

No nobody gives a shit about anarchists or leftists shut up.

[John Lennin]

There seems to have been a third explosion at the JFK library. On CNN it was said to be confirmed by the police.
Terrible.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

According to Right-Wing Watch one radical rightist has already called for "all Muslims to be killed", while musings on the socially liberal entertainment sites have already started in about possible "connections" to North Korea. All of this is in addition to the conspiracy nuts going off about this and that, about how it is connected to some larger scheme (or something). Things are only going to get more intense until some concrete details are known.

[Red Nightmare]

No nobody gives a shit about anarchists or leftists shut up.

Yeah, they probably won't mention that but if they do it won't be anything positive.

[RedAnarchist]

According to Right-Wing Watch one radical rightist has already called for "all Muslims to be killed", while musings on the socially liberal entertainment sites have already started in about possible "connections" to North Korea. All of this is in addition to the conspiracy nuts going off about this and that, about how it is connected to some larger scheme (or something). Things are only going to get more intense until some concrete details are known.

This is the age of Facebook and Twitter. Within seconds someone on the other side of the world can have an opinion on an event, and a lot of the time that opinion is shit.

[VDS]

According to CNN, police have found at least 2 more devices, that they're trying to dismantle.

[jamesx101]

Meanwhile, over 30 people were bombed to death in Iraq today and no one notices... (I can't post links, just Google it).

The message is clear: Iraqi lives aren't that important.

p.s. This is a shocking event, and we should all show solidarity with those in Boston.

[The Feral Underclass]

This isn't the modus operandi of Islamists.

[homegrown terror]

Tax day is just when income taxes are due. Patriots Day is the anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord. They're not particularly significant days to anyone and I probably shouldn't have even brought them up seeing as it's just wild speculation for the motives of bombers that might not even exist.

the tea party is fervently opposed to taxes, and a lot of them are peanuts-in-shit crazy enough to pull a stunt like this. that's just my first instinct as to who's responsible.

[La Guaneña]

It's not because this attack happened on US soil that it can't also be a direct result of US imperialism. Just because an attack is on US soil it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it.

The targets were civilians as innocent as those killed by drone strikes all around the world, that may have been targeted because of their governments actions in some country far away.

So please stop whining about drone strikes as if these people were at fault for them.

[RedAnarchist]

This isn't the modus operandi of Islamists.

Yeah, it looks more like a McVeigh lone wolf kind of attack.

[Orange Juche]

Man, this seriously breaks my heart. I just hope this doesn't turn into a segue into hatred and more violence.

[RedHal]

This heinous attack happened in "The West", bomb attacks take place nearly everyday of the week somewhere else, carried out by the west, where are all those Revleft threads about near daily drone attacks in Afghanistan etc. Little bit of hypocrisy at work here.

blame it on the mass media and the nationalism of the general populace, hopefully most radical leftists don't have American/Western eyes. Unfortunately mass media also dictates what is popular discourse that even radical leftists fall victim to.

[RedAnarchist]

Eric Twardzik ‏@Eric_Twardzik 9m
Man on Boston common has been handcuffed. Police shouting at people to clear the area. pic.twitter.com/PTeOdrmB4C

[Tim Cornelis]

Yeah, it looks more like a McVeigh lone wolf kind of attack.

No it doesn't at all. McVeigh targeted government buildings, targeting random civilians is exactly the modus operandi of Islamist terrorists. I can't imagine secular political groups or individuals targeting random individuals, nor can I imagine Christian fundamentalists having done this, if only because most victims are likely to be Christian. So that leaves us with the likeliness of an Islamist terrorist or a crazy anti-society lone wolf.

[RedAnarchist]

No it doesn't at all. McVeigh targeted government buildings, targeting random civilians is exactly the modus operandi of Islamist terrorists. I can't imagine secular political groups or individuals targeting random individuals, nor can I imagine Christian fundamentalists having done this, if only because most victims are likely to be Christian. So that leaves us with the likeliness of an Islamist terrorist or a crazy anti-society lone wolf.

Sorry, I meant lone wolf and tried to think of a lone wolf, so I just used McVeigh as an inaccurate example. I don't think this was the work of an organisation though.

Your comment about Christian fundies - Islamic fundamentalists don't care if fellow Muslims get killed in their attacks, why would Christian fundamentalists be any different?

[Delenda Carthago]

Meh. The US has nothing to gain from war with/invasion of NK, though. War would be a lose-lose for all sides.
This. Plus the fact that both Russia and China are siding with USA on the NK issue, so it dont hold no weight I think. USA wouldnt do a false flag operation to start a war against one poor state that has nothing to offer to it. If they wanted to provoke it, they wouldnt have postponed the Minuteman testing.

[Orange Juche]

No it doesn't at all. McVeigh targeted government buildings, targeting random civilians is exactly the modus operandi of Islamist terrorists. I can't imagine secular political groups or individuals targeting random individuals, nor can I imagine Christian fundamentalists having done this, if only because most victims are likely to be Christian. So that leaves us with the likeliness of an Islamist terrorist or a crazy anti-society lone wolf.

The one thing that would make me theorize that one of these right wing McVeigh types did it is that the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims, which certain people associate with being a symbol of some supposed impending gun prohibition - and therefore doing this was "symbolic".

Really, people are just sick in the fucking head.

[RedAnarchist]

Times Square right now - https://twitter.com/clarerrrr/status/323909878861152257/photo/1.

[Tim Cornelis]

Sorry, I meant lone wolf and tried to think of a lone wolf, so I just used McVeigh as an inaccurate example. I don't think this was the work of an organisation though.

Your comment about Christian fundies - Islamic fundamentalists don't care if fellow Muslims get killed in their attacks, why would Christian fundamentalists be any different?

Sectarianism, Sunnis kill Shiites, Shiites kill Sunnis. Protestants wouldn't target a protestant country, and there is by no means sufficient sectarian tensions for Catholic fundamentalists to target protestants.


The one thing that would make me theorize that one of these right wing McVeigh types did it is that the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims, which certain people associate with being a symbol of some supposed impending gun prohibition - and therefore doing this was "symbolic".

Really, people are just sick in the fucking head.

Sandy Hook was committed by a crazy lone-wolf, so that would be some evidence pointing towards that this was an homage by crazy lone-wolf for crazy lone-wolf, though not very strong. I don't think gun nuts are stupid enough to do this, certainly be counter-productive.

[CryingWolf]

It's probably just a TV crew generator explosion that the public and police are over-reacting to.

[RedAnarchist]

It's probably just a TV crew generator explosion that the public and police are over-reacting to.

I'm sure everyone hopes that that is the case, but it's been a few hours now.

[VDS]

It's probably just a TV crew generator explosion that the public and police are over-reacting to.

Doubt it, reports are that at least 2 more devices have been found.

[CryingWolf]

Doubt it, reports are that at least 2 more devices have been found.

Two alleged devices have been found. There is no confirmation that they were bombs.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

This could be completely wrong but my understanding is that the bombs went off near an area reserved for Sandy Hook families. In Massachusetts this is "Patriot's Day" (to celebrate the Battle of Bunker Hill which began the Revolutionary War) and its also tx day in the US, when Federal Income taxes are due.

A highly uneducated guess is that's its a right wing anti-government anti-gun control nutter.

I should have mentioned this in my previous post but solidarity to all those affected.I was in that area on Saturday. Its my understanding that 2 people were killed, many wounded. A 24 year old woman had her legs blown off.

[Le Socialiste]

Times Square right now - https://twitter.com/clarerrrr/status/323909878861152257/photo/1.

What are they doing, just waiting on standby?

[RedAnarchist]

What are they doing, just waiting on standby?

I think so, New York quickly went into high alert after the explosions.

[Tim Cornelis]

This could be completely wrong but my understanding is that the bombs went off near an area reserved for Sandy Hook families. In Massachusetts this is "Patriot's Day" (to celebrate the Battle of Bunker Hill which began the Revolutionary War) and its also tx day in the US, when Federal Income taxes are due.

A highly uneducated guess is that's its a right wing anti-government anti-gun control nutter.

I should have mentioned this in my previous post but solidarity to all those affected.I was in that area on Saturday. Its my understanding that 2 people were killed, many wounded. A 24 year old woman had her legs blown off.

With all that information it doesn't seem unlikely, though given that it's so incredibly counter-productive, I imagine it would be a delusional or paranoid schizophrenic right-wing nutter.

[Red Commissar]

Eric Twardzik ‏@Eric_Twardzik 9m
Man on Boston common has been handcuffed. Police shouting at people to clear the area. pic.twitter.com/PTeOdrmB4C

The same guy has updated his feed saying the BPD said the arrest is not related to the bombing. We'll see though.

[l'Enfermé]

Fixed the type in the title. You meant to write "explosions", right?

edit:
lol it's ironic cause I fixed a typo in your thread title but wrote "type" instead of "typo"

[Paul Pott]

This could have so many consequences everywhere.

[Aurora]

The Boston police have shut down cell phone service in order to prevent the detonation of any more explosives. If anyone has family in the Boston area and are trying to reach them take this into consideration.
Thanks i hadn't heard this, my friend just moved to Boston i hope he's alright.

[Vanilla]

This is quite sad. I know several people who were at the Boston Marathon today. I've heard from most of them that they are okay, thankfully. I just feel bad for everyone who went there to have a good time, and then this happened :(

Edit: I just heard that one of the people killed was an 8 year old :(

[Wings Of Redemption]

My Facebook feed is blowing up with shared pics of a page made two days ago for the victims, the conspiracy theorists are gonna have a field day with this one.

[RedAnarchist]

My Facebook feed is blowing up with shared pics of a page made two days ago for the victims, the conspiracy theorists are gonna have a field day with this one.

It's either a fake or someone changed the name of a group they made on Saturday to try and get more people liking it.

[Ele'ill]

I am still a bit confused as to how some people are saying that this is a right militia attack as that doesn't seem to add up at all unless this was a special Boston BATF/FBI marathon or something

[Vanilla]

Apparently the incident at the JFK library is unrelated. It's suspicious, though, how it would happen so soon after two explosions not far away.

[Rugged Collectivist]

No nobody gives a shit about anarchists or leftists shut up.

Eh, didn't some anarchists try to blow up a bridge last mayday?

You're right though, this is going to be blamed on Islamists. Islamists have no reason to target a marathon though. I wouldn't rule out a rightist but I think the evidence points most strongly to a crazy loner.

then again I'm just some guy on the internet making wild speculations so you can safely ignore me.

[Paul Pott]

How about no one knows, period.

The date may or may not be relevant.

[Orange Juche]

Edit: I just heard that one of the people killed was an 8 year old :(

Yeah when I heard that it was kind of like a kick in the gut. I like this thing that comedian Patton Oswalt wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/pattonoswalt/posts/10151440800582655

[goalkeeper]

. Islamists have no reason to target a marathon though. I wouldn't rule out a rightist but I think the evidence points most strongly to a crazy loner.
.

Islamists didnt exactly have a reason to target commuters on London tubes, or the people (or "slags" as the would be bombers called them) outside the Tiger Tiger club in London etc

There seems to be absolutely no reason to suspect Islamists at this point, but the target is perfectly compatible with the MO of Islamists.

[vizzek]

I hope this wasn't a leftist being stupid

considering the horrors committed by "leftists" in places like peru, i wouldn't be that surprised.

[Vanilla]

It's very concerning to me how the bombings were four hours ago but it seems like there is no information about who is responsible. There are speculation and guesses about it but according to the news, there is no actual evidence leading to any suspects. No one appears to know why this happened or who did it.

[MP5]

If i where to guess i would say either a crazy right wing nut job or Islamic fundamentalist's. These are really the only 2 groups that think nothing of directly targeting civilians as they don't differentiate between unarmed civilians and legitimate targets like police forces. One could take a page from either of these groups books on how NOT to carry out attacks to try to change the social order. Blowing up innocent civilians including women and children on purpose does not win you any support atleast in any civilized places.

Left wing organizations for the most part tend to attack government infrastructure, symbols of the state and state forces. So i don't know why anyone thought that lefties might be responsible for this.

Takes some balls right enough to blow up a kid with a remote controlled bomb :mad: . Fucking cowards.

[slum]

so i've been out to copley and back- it's swarming w/ cops obviously and it's all roped off about a block in each direction from boylston and exeter where the first two bombs went off. lots of press and the med tent- saw some blood on the pavement but besides that it looks very contained. i couldn't get a view of the damaged buildings bc of police barricades.

a lot of people are wandering around in a daze, mostly. it's weirdly "normal", no real panic, either people are in shock or idk- the orange line was previously not stopping at the two closest stops, but it is now running normally.

cell service is indeed down and has been for many hours, now, if you need to reach someone do so from a computer.

the fire at JFK library does seem to be unrelated, but UMASS boston campus nearby was evacuated anyway

[Geiseric]

Why would someone bomb a marathon? :confused:

There are runners from all around the world at this marathon, this would be a way of getting publicity internationally. Seriously an 8 year old kid died, I hope they find the chicken shit who planned this out.

[Ele'ill]

I'm not going to post it here but I just saw a really heart wrenching photograph (I'm sure it's circulating at this point) of a paramedic standing over two people with one hand on the chest of an injured person and checking the pulse of another who I believe is dead. The background/sidewalk/pavement is just blood and debris.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd say on the hierarchy of American terror panics, it goes something like this:

1) Islamic terrorism/radicalism (p. much overshadows everything else)
2) Wingnuts (right-wing...militias, patriot movement, radical anti-abortion types, neo-Nazis, etc)
3) Wingnuts (left-wing...Cleveland bridge plot, NATO 3, radical environmentalists etc)

[Geiseric]

If i where to guess i would say either a crazy right wing nut job or Islamic fundamentalist's. These are really the only 2 groups that think nothing of directly targeting civilians as they don't differentiate between unarmed civilians and legitimate targets like police forces. One could take a page from either of these groups books on how NOT to carry out attacks to try to change the social order. Blowing up innocent civilians including women and children on purpose does not win you any support atleast in any civilized places.

Left wing organizations for the most part tend to attack government infrastructure, symbols of the state and state forces. So i don't know why anyone thought that lefties might be responsible for this.

Takes some balls right enough to blow up a kid with a remote controlled bomb :mad: . Fucking cowards.

No this doesn't "take balls". This is the opposite of what "takes balls."

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I bet some MTWist scum bag is going to go on about "global people's war" and how if Al-Qaeda did it then it's totally cool according to class morality.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

The police are questioning someone at a hospital. In addition it seems like five devices in all were found: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/15/1870161/boston-bombings-the-aftermath/

[Crux]

With all that information it doesn't seem unlikely, though given that it's so incredibly counter-productive, I imagine it would be a delusional or paranoid schizophrenic right-wing nutter.
Yes because far-right terrorists are known for their keen sense of PR and acting productively...unlike those crazy crazy muslims, am I right? ugh.
I still have quite vivid memories how everyone was so convinced that the Oslo bombing was islamists (indeed an islamist group even had time to claim the attack). So what seems to be circumstancial evidence (as well as statistical likelyhood) seem to point towards the far right. The only thing pointing towards islamists is that there supposedly was a Saudi national among the wounded. So you know...

Anyway this is pretty fucking horrible and well that's all I can say for now.

[Comrade Nasser]

Not cool. Whoever did this disgusting act is a stupid piece of shit.

And if hes middle-eastern fuck you even more people are gonna start making fun of me again jackass...

[Comrade Nasser]

No this doesn't "take balls". This is the opposite of what "takes balls."

The man who did this has no balls. Hes a fucking coward and a piece of shit.

[Tjis]

(indeed an islamist group even had time to claim the attack).

That didn't even happen. What happened was that some guy on a jihadist forum applauded the attack, a jihad-watch blog considered that to be a jihadist claim, and various media copied the blog's misinformation.

[MP5]

I bet some MTWist scum bag is going to go on about "global people's war" and how if Al-Qaeda did it then it's totally cool according to class morality.

I don't know how any self proclaimed Socialist can support the likes of Al-Qaeda. Then again 3rd world yuppies tend to think that everyone who is not aligned with the US is their friend. As if Al-Qaeda is some great organization of freedom fighters as opposed to religious nut jobs who just want to imperialize their version of their version of Islam on everybody and kill the infidels that refuse to convert.

[homegrown terror]

I don't know how any self proclaimed Socialist can support the likes of Al-Qaeda. Then again 3rd world yuppies tend to think that everyone who is not aligned with the US is their friend. As if Al-Qaeda is some great organization of freedom fighters as opposed to religious nut jobs who just want to imperialize their version of their version of Islam on everybody and kill the infidels that refuse to convert.

honestly i'd be more than happy to let the muslim extremists and the christian extremists gun each other down, provided the rest of us can get under the crossfire.

[Crux]

Initial Statement on Boston Marathon Tragedy from Socialist Alternative (http://socialistalternative.org/news/article11.php?id=2096)

[MP5]

honestly i'd be more than happy to let the muslim extremists and the christian extremists gun each other down, provided the rest of us can get under the crossfire.

Yes but neither group has any problem killing and maiming non fighters because the voices in their heads (aka God) tells them to do so. So there would be mass civilian causalities in such a event.

I wouldn't mind putting Clerical-Fascists and Islamic-Fascists all on one island somewhere in the middle of nowhere and dropping a atomic bomb on it. So the world a huge favor. Fundies of either Christian or Islamic origin are little more then mad dogs that are cogs in the machine of evolution.

[Sidagma]

Friendly reminder that the problem of islamic fundamentalism was created by secular, American-led, neoliberal and anti-communist imperialism! While hating on religious fundamentalists might seem like a safe target for your (barely) concealed racism, a more productive target for your hatred might in fact be American imperialism. (✿◠‿◠)

Also your angstheism has literally nothing to do with the thread oh my god. This thread is a wonderfully poignant example of why every American Muslim I know is scared to go outside today. :/

On the other hand we could take a minute to acknowledge the effects that this will have on American brown people because of dumbass assumptions like the ones in this thread!!! People on my tumblr and Facebook are warning each other not to go outside today.

https://twitter.com/harikondabolu/status/323900140626792449

[PC LOAD LETTER]

How about everyone shut the hell up with ignorant speculation until they find out who actually did this. This whole thing is fucked up and a terrible tragedy, but it doesn't help to point fingers at "Islamists" or "Right-wing terrorists" when we know absolutely jack shit.

[melvin]

why are you all so worried about this being blamed on leftists? there's nothing to indicate it will be. the US doesn't have a recent history of blaming the left for random terrorist attacks.

nobody knows anything about this yet. for all we know it could have been some hateful apolitical nutcases. get a grip everybody, and wait until there is information.

[Hexen]

nobody knows anything about this yet. for all we know it could have been some hateful apolitical nutcases.

Until we find who it was/is till then I think the prime suspects are most likely right wingers.

[Comrade Nasser]

How about everyone shut the hell up with ignorant speculation until they find out who actually did this. This whole thing is fucked up and a terrible tragedy, but it doesn't help to point fingers at "Islamists" or "Right-wing terrorists" when we know absolutely jack shit.

I hope it's not Islamists though. I don't feel like having to pass for an Indian whenever people ask me what race I am for the next couple of weeks lmao

[Comrade Nasser]

Until we find who it was/is till then I think the prime suspects are most likely right wing nuts.

You're probably right. I don't actually see any connections with foreign groups or anything to be honest. Hopefully this is just an isolated right-wing nut like the oslo kid and I hope they catch him and put him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.

[Starship Stormtrooper]

Thursday, November 17, 2011
Terrorist plot, conceived by the...FBI http://angryarab.blogspot.fr/2011/11/terrorist-plot-conceived-by-thefbi.html

To be sure, entrapment is a huge freaking problem but if you're suggesting that this was a false flag or entrapment, I would be inclined to disbelieve you. No way that the FBI etc. would go so far as to use actual bombs if the only goal was to create another terrorist that they could rush in and "save" the US from.

[Crixus]

Friendly reminder that the problem of islamic fundamentalism was created by secular, American-led, neoliberal and anti-communist imperialism! While hating on religious fundamentalists might seem like a safe target for your (barely) concealed racism, a more productive target for your hatred might in fact be American imperialism. (✿◠‿◠)

Also your angstheism has literally nothing to do with the thread oh my god. This thread is a wonderfully poignant example of why every American Muslim I know is scared to go outside today. :/

On the other hand we could take a minute to acknowledge the effects that this will have on American brown people because of dumbass assumptions like the ones in this thread!!! People on my tumblr and Facebook are warning each other not to go outside today.


What place does Islam and Christianity have in a Marxist society? What do you know about Marxism other than a sort of guilt brazing privilege theory? Where is this barley concealed racism? There is no god, religious extremists blow shit up and I'm not "checking my privilege" thank you. If anything, more people were hoping it wasn't a leftist sect, others implied it was some right wing sect and some said it might be an Islamic sect. This, under the framework of privilege theory, is now racist. I've noticed the same framework with some feminist theorists. A lot of accusations with no basis in reality. Just go ahead and call the whole thread racist and paint a picture of Muslims across America living in fear because of threads like this or "dumbass assumptions like the ones in this thread!!!".


Next time you go calling everyone racist it would be great if you could please quote examples and give some explanations that hold weight. Thanks. A place gets blown up and people in this thread are going through the list of sects which have in the past used such tactics. This list includes people of various sexes, colors and religious affiliations. Granted it may be a tad silly to speculate this speculation is not racism. Then your post gets thanked by people falling all over themselves to prove they're not oppressors. Privilege theory in action.

Don't need a lesson in Afghan history either thank you because if we did actually talk about Soviet Afghanistan we can get into detail concerning the treatment of religion and why/how attempts at communism in the region were defeated. To lay the blame solely at the feet of US funding is COMPLETELY ignoring the reactionary nature of Islam. Don't think for one minute the US hasn't appealed to white Christians to fight communism albeit more on a philosophical level in the west.

[slum]

What place does Islam and Christianity have in a Marxist society? What do you know about Marxism other than a sort of guilt brazing privilege theory? Where is this barley concealed racism? There is no god, religious extremists blow shit up and I'm not "checking my privilege" thank you. If anything, more people were hoping it wasn't a leftist sect, others implied it was some right wing sect and some said it might be an Islamic sect. This, under the framework of privilege theory, is now racist. I've noticed the same framework with some feminist theorists. A lot of accusations with no basis in reality. Just go ahead and call the whole thread racist and paint a picture of Muslims across America living in fear because of threads like this or "dumbass assumptions like the ones in this thread!!!"


Next time you go calling everyone racist it would be great if you could please quote examples and give some explanations that hold weight. Thanks. Don't need a lesson in Afghan history either thank you.


you are consistently unpleasant.

[Crixus]

you are consistently unpleasant.

And you two constantly throw around some pretty heavy accusations. Still waiting on why women should have their own segregated trains. Talk about seeing the world through an unpleasant lens. Look, you have some things in common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_segregation_and_Islam

[slum]

And you two constantly throw around some pretty heavy accusations. Still waiting on why women should have their own segregated trains. Talk about seeing the world through an unpleasant lens. Look, you have some things in common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_segregation_and_Islam

i'm unaware of any heavy accusations i have thrown at you, but you are welcome to continue taking my comments out of context in the relevant thread.

[Crixus]

i'm unaware of any heavy accusations i have thrown at you, but you are welcome to continue taking my comments out of context in the relevant thread.



Sidagma said : " Please provide examples of where I told people to check their privilege"Ya sure, obfuscate and blow smoke. I'll address you both. We all know I was responding to, first and foremost, the blanket accusation of racism and secondly how the same mind frame lead you to advocate for segregated trains. Whats the source? Why do you think this way? Because of the melding of Marxism and privilege theory. Different thread perhaps but I'm not the one throwing around unfounded accusations of racism now am I? You can add rape support to that as well. Then I'm called unpleasant for not embracing such accusations which is the reasoning behind me saying I'm not going to "check my privilege". Keep the nonsensical accusations of racism to yourself unless you, well, can demonstrate people were actually being racist.

[Sidagma]

Anyway, I totally called it about the Saudi guy. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2607131&postcount=71)

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boston-police-no-arrests-have-been-made-in


"At this time, we haven't been notified of any arrests or anyone apprehended," the spokesperson said.

The New York Post reported that a "Saudi national who suffered shrapnel wounds in today's blast" has been identified as "a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing." The Boston PD spokesperson did not confirm that report.

"Honestly, I don't know where they're getting their information from, but it didn't come from us," said the spokesperson.

The Post report was attributed to "a law enforcement source." According to the Post, the "suspect" is "currently being guarded in a Boston hospital."

[Crixus]

YOU'RE ALL RACISTS! Anyway....

http://peaceburlington.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Pink-E.jpg

[Comrade Nasser]

Anyway, I totally called it about the Saudi guy. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2607131&postcount=71)

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boston-police-no-arrests-have-been-made-in

Uggh I can't wait to go to school tommorow :rolleyes:

[homegrown terror]

i'm calling it a patsy. none of it adds up to a jihad-type action.

[The Douche]

Whole lot of terrorism experts on revleft, I see...

[Zostrianos]

It's intresting how most news outlets haven't even talked about a suspect, and that the source for the claim is from the NY Post (aka the Fox News of the newspaper world)

[Comrade Nasser]

It's intresting how most news outlets haven't even talked about a suspect, and that the source for the claim is from the NY Post (aka the Fox News of the newspaper world)

I hope he's not actually Arabian and this is just some fox news propaganda or something...

[Red Commissar]

It's intresting how most news outlets haven't even talked about a suspect, and that the source for the claim is from the NY Post (aka the Fox News of the newspaper world)

Every outlet tried to jump on some lead so they can claim to be the first that broke the story. The New York Post went with the Saudi guy in the hospital which the police denied was a suspect. ABC news talked about another fellow in the hospital I believe, though not the same as the Saudi fellow. Another a few pages back said some guy was arrested in a local park but was apparently unrelated to the bombing. CNN was putting out something about a warning about a dark-skinned individual in black clothing that was acting suspicious around the scene, though they seemed to've pulled that.

Kind of petty honestly how all these guys are trying to rush to put even the most inane and dumb leads just so they can happen to be the first to have broken the news even before the police.

[fgilbert2]

how long has it ever taken before an Islamist organisation claimed responsibility for an attack? my hunch is that this would be a world record.

[CryingWolf]

The reason there is no suspect, that it looks like the work of amateurs, and that no one has taken credit for it is because it wasn't a bombing.

[The Douche]

how long has it ever taken before an Islamist organisation claimed responsibility for an attack? my hunch is that this would be a world record.

Bin Laden did not claim responsibility for 9/11 until 2004.


Revleft terrorism experts strike again.

[The Douche]

The reason there is no suspect, that it looks like the work of amateurs, and that no one has taken credit for it is because it wasn't a bombing.

Is this a fucking joke?

[RadioRaheem84]

The reason there is no suspect, that it looks like the work of amateurs, and that no one has taken credit for it is because it wasn't a bombing.

Then what was it?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Who ever did it was a nutter. left, right, religious or whatever. No sane person wakes up and decides to bomb a marathon (and possibly a library?) for the hell of it.

My first thought was a pipeline explosion like what happened in San Francisco last year. I only heard of '2 explosions in boston' before i saw images and read some news on my phone.

I doubt its tied to anything in particular but there is also the whole issue of White Supremacists in Colorado and Texas killing people tied to the criminal 'justice' system. Thats just a wild speculation though because a marathon has fuck all to do with the Aryan Brotherhood.

[Prof. Oblivion]

The reason there is no suspect, that it looks like the work of amateurs, and that no one has taken credit for it is because it wasn't a bombing.

Yes, it was just a random surface chemical explosion with a tightly defined blast radius and all of those ball bearings appeared out of nowhere.

What the fuck is wrong with you

[fgilbert2]

Bin Laden did not claim responsibility for 9/11 until 2004.


Revleft terrorism experts strike again.

I thought about 911 before I posted, and decided it was irrelevant because everybody in the whole world knew who did it. But good point nonetheless. Was there an upswing in jihadist chatter today?

[The Douche]

I thought about 911 before I posted, and decided it was irrelevant because everybody in the whole world knew who did it. But good point nonetheless. Was there an upswing in jihadist chatter today?

Pretty sure AQ didn't claim the USS Cole attack, and I don't think they normally claim responsibility for their acts. (AQI does more often)

Nobody here would have access to "jihadist chatter", not the real deal stuff anyways. (well, I guess some could, those in the exile community, but they're not going to be anouncing that knowledge)

I'm sure the radical islamist message boards and social networks are blowing up, and I bet there will be some claims of responsibility on there and various blogs, but that happens a lot, it doesn't mean anything.

[Prof. Oblivion]

Honestly I doubt this is anything Jihadi/Islamist/etc. related. Have they released information about the detonation method found on the faulty explosives? I haven't been able to find any info. This looks pretty amateur, though.

[Zostrianos]

Don't know if this was posted before, but they caught a guy on camera on top of one of the nearby buildings right when the explosion took place:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-0-19508DB9000005DC-529_638x636.jpg

Story here (I know, it's from the Daily Mail, I'm sorry)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309641/Boston-explosions-Who-person-Individual-seen-walking-roof-directly-overhead-bomb-goes-Boston-Marathon.html

[The Douche]

Honestly I doubt this is anything Jihadi/Islamist/etc. related. Have they released information about the detonation method found on the faulty explosives? I haven't been able to find any info. This looks pretty amateur, though.

Details about the bombs, especially their ignition systems will definitely make answers easier to get.

But just why exactly do you think this is not related to radical islam? It is the exact MO of radical sunni islamist groups.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Honestly I doubt this is anything Jihadi/Islamist/etc. related. Have they released information about the detonation method found on the faulty explosives? I haven't been able to find any info. This looks pretty amateur, though.

Looks more accomplished than some of the FBI plots recently, though, like the "Time Square bomber" or whatever...didn't he try to blow up a bunch of gasoline and fireworks, or was that another tool? :rolleyes: The Portland "sawdust bomber", perhaps?

[Prof. Oblivion]

Don't know if this was posted before, but they caught a guy on camera on top of one of the nearby buildings right when the explosion took place:

Was probably just a policeman, which is common at these types of events.


But just why exactly do you think this is not related to radical islam? It is the exact MO of radical sunni islamist groups.

I don't know. Just doesn't seem right to me for some reason. It very well could be but my gut tells me it's not.

Also, you are not entirely correct in that typically such attacks are carried out with much larger explosive devices than a backpack bomb, which is what I'm guessing this was.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Don't know if this was posted before, but they caught a guy on camera on top of one of the nearby buildings right when the explosion took place:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-0-19508DB9000005DC-529_638x636.jpg

Story here (I know, it's from the Daily Mail, I'm sorry)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309641/Boston-explosions-Who-person-Individual-seen-walking-roof-directly-overhead-bomb-goes-Boston-Marathon.html

could have been up there to watch the marathon.

[The Douche]

Was probably just a policeman, which is common at these types of events.



I don't know. Just doesn't seem right to me for some reason. It very well could be but my gut tells me it's not.

Also, you are not entirely correct in that typically such attacks are carried out with much larger explosive devices than a backpack bomb, which is what I'm guessing this was.

I saw plenty of attacks like this in Iraq, they're also commonly carried out by Al-Shabaab.

Its not always big bombs, its what they can get.

Without a doubt, AQs infrastructure has been severely damaged by the war on terror, possibly destroyed. AQ was already moving towards a more decentralized approach, giving more autonomy and leeway to their regional offshoots, and allowing them to act independently. I think it is quite possible that AQ has endorsed this as their new standard operating procedure.

So those AQ cells which exist in the west may now be cut off and just trying to use what resources they have easily available, hence the use of less complicated technology. Or this could be the result of a new global jihadist network, assembled my militants travelling through different countries participating in the arab spring.

[Prof. Oblivion]

I saw plenty of attacks like this in Iraq, they're also commonly carried out by Al-Shabaab.

Oh well in Iraq of course, but we're talking about the US here.



Without a doubt, AQs infrastructure has been severely damaged by the war on terror, possibly destroyed. AQ was already moving towards a more decentralized approach, giving more autonomy and leeway to their regional offshoots, and allowing them to act independently. I think it is quite possible that AQ has endorsed this as their new standard operating procedure.

So those AQ cells which exist in the west may now be cut off and just trying to use what resources they have easily available, hence the use of less complicated technology. Or this could be the result of a new global jihadist network, assembled my militants travelling through different countries participating in the arab spring.

I'd say that your guess is just as speculative as mine, with the added qualification that mine takes into account past Jihadist attempts and attacks on American soil. ;)

[The Douche]

Oh well in Iraq of course, but we're talking about the US here.



I'd say that your guess is just as speculative as mine, with the added qualification that mine takes into account past Jihadist attempts and attacks on American soil. ;)

I'm referring specifically to the actions of AQI (al qaeda in Iraq) and al-shabaab, which is an AQ affiliated organization in Somalia (with an American in the leadership levels). Also, to the recent Yemeni group with ties to AQ who have been producing an english language e-magazine. (a magazine which has included bomb making instructions)

I'm saying this seems like it has a strong possibility of being radical islamic action based on my experience with AQ, based on study, and first hand experience.



I am not saying it was islamic radicals, I am just saying it is in line with their prior actions and methods. There links are strong, given the information that is out there right now, I think that is the strongest suggestion, barring weird outlying options (like doomsday cults, lone individuals, the Norway bomber etc).

[bcbm]

i don't think its worth speculating much until we have more details, but the targetting of a marathon made me think of four lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Lions) right away

[Orange Juche]

Speculation is pointless at this point, and people (not really here) are getting shitty about it on both sides, as if the "other side" is absolutely stupid for thinking it's right nuts/islamist nuts.

For all we know it could just be a fucking shit-awful sadist and nothing more.

[Niall]

Don't know if this was posted before, but they caught a guy on camera on top of one of the nearby buildings right when the explosion took place:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-0-19508DB9000005DC-529_638x636.jpg

Story here (I know, it's from the Daily Mail, I'm sorry)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309641/Boston-explosions-Who-person-Individual-seen-walking-roof-directly-overhead-bomb-goes-Boston-Marathon.html
any number of reasons why that guy could have been there.
Im no expert but reading what people on here have posted it does seem to be some group from the middle east. I dunno why but I just get the feeling that home grown terrorist would have used something bigger a la Timothy McVeigh

[Vanilla]

I was just watching the local news and the reporters were harassing some guy named Muhammad who has some connection to the Saudi man who is a person of interest. The poor guy could barely speak English but the reporters wouldn't let up. Now they're talking about how there were inconsistencies in the guy's answers but maybe, just maybe, it's because he didn't understand what they were saying.

[The Douche]

Interesting that they now report no recovered unexploded ordnance. If that holds up to be true, it weakens the case for it being a professional group/having profession involvement/guidance.

Two bombs within 100 yards of each other? Easily could be a single bomber in that case.

[The Douche]

They're announcing one of the bombs was built in a pressure cooker. I know that is pretty common in Afghanistan.

[Sasha]

They're announcing one of the bombs was built in a pressure cooker. I know that is pretty common in Afghanistan.

also the standard choice in greece under insurecto-anarchists and i'm pretty sure a stable of improvised explosives manuals on the interwebz, says little...

[The Douche]

also the standard choice in greece under insurecto-anarchists and i'm pretty sure a stable of improvised explosives manuals on the interwebz, says little...

Pretty sure it was used often in the 70s as well. I think it was probably the standard method taught at the training camps back in the day, hence its prevalence.

But I will say, normally, domestic terrorists in the US use pipebombs, and really crude ones, like, blackpowder in galvanized pipe.

But the amount of people who have knowledge of IEDs now opens up a whole range of possibilities. Lots of veterans getting involved in right wing radicalism, and lots of us do have a working knowledge, at least to some degree, of IEDs.

But the fact that it was only two devices, and it wasn't a more complex ambush (with seconday devices to kill first responders, or with a small arms follow on attack like Mumbai) gives me pause, makes it seem less likely that it had the involvement of anybody with military experience or training.

[RedAnarchist]

That Saudi guy may well have just been a victim of the bombing. When Breivik launched his attacks, they arrested a young man on suspicion of being involved in the attacks, and he turned out to be a survivor of the attack on Utoya.

[rednordman]

Don't know if this was posted before, but they caught a guy on camera on top of one of the nearby buildings right when the explosion took place:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-0-19508DB9000005DC-529_638x636.jpg

Story here (I know, it's from the Daily Mail, I'm sorry)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309641/Boston-explosions-Who-person-Individual-seen-walking-roof-directly-overhead-bomb-goes-Boston-Marathon.htmlSlenderman lives!!

[Ele'ill]

First of all that guy on the roof is probably just mothman I don't know what the big deal is and regarding the process of speculation and elimination on what groups this could be I have yet to hear why right wing whitey racists would bomb and kill random civilians and I see tim mcveigh brought up here but the guy didn't just 'kill civilians' he bombed a federal building it had some political motive.

[CryingWolf]

Is this a fucking joke?


Then what was it?


Yes, it was just a random surface chemical explosion with a tightly defined blast radius and all of those ball bearings appeared out of nowhere.

What the fuck is wrong with you

Never mind, the latest evidence suggests it was indeed a bombing.

[Nakidana]

Speculation is pointless at this point, and people (not really here) are getting shitty about it on both sides, as if the "other side" is absolutely stupid for thinking it's right nuts/islamist nuts.

For all we know it could just be a fucking shit-awful sadist and nothing more.

I'm amazed you're equating the two sides. From what I'm seeing on Twitter, one side is trying to fight the rampant islamophobia by pointing out that we don't know shit, yet a lot of people are already convinced Muslims did it. The other side is just a bunch of filthy racists going as far as calling for the killing of all Muslims.

[ellipsis]

You know who nobody had blamed yet? Anarchists, the DPRK, or the FBI giving people a real bomb by accident.

[RedAnarchist]

Wonder if this ricin letter is linked to the bomb?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22178517

[The Douche]

You know who nobody had blamed yet? Anarchists, the DPRK, or the FBI giving people a real bomb by accident.

Anarchists:


1920 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920) – Two security guards are murdered during a robbery in South Braintree, Massachusetts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Braintree,_Massachusetts). Anarchists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism) Sacco and Vanzetti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti) would be convicted of and executed for the crime, amid much controversy.

DPRK:


Kim Il-sung Korean pronunciation: [ki.mil.s͈ɔŋ] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Korean), also romanised (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_romanization) as Kim Il Sung (15 April 1912 – 8 July 1994) was the leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leaders_of_North_Korea) of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_People%27s_Republic_of_Korea), commonly referred to as North Korea, from its establishment in 1948 until his death in 1994.

So anarchists using the date for historical significance, linking themselves to prior PotD types.

Or North Koreans celebrating the birth of The Great Leader.

Let your imagination run wild.

Especially since now there is this "ricin poison attack"...

[Os Cangaceiros]

How about a doomsday cult? That would be a refreshing change. Haven't heard much about the ol' doomsday cults since the 90's...

[Orange Juche]

I'm amazed you're equating the two sides. From what I'm seeing on Twitter, one side is trying to fight the rampant islamophobia by pointing out that we don't know shit, yet a lot of people are already convinced Muslims did it. The other side is just a bunch of filthy racists going as far as calling for the killing of all Muslims.

I've only seen comments on news articles here or there, I haven't followed personal tweets on twitter, but most of what I've seen wasn't all that extreme in any way (i.e. nobody using racist slang, etc). But I can only imagine. And no, I don't suspect the vitriol is equivalent or even comparable in that sense.

[The Douche]

A doctor earlier today was describing some the shrapnel he had seen, he talked about BBs and "nails without heads".

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3344/3662784458_9bc13f78b5_z.jpg

This is called "tumbling media" it is used in reloading. People who want to reload or develop custom loads for guns use it to tumble used brass cases to make them clean enough to be reloaded. There are many different styles, but this is one of them.

There are also now reports that the explosive material was gun powder.

This things could potentially lend more weight to the right-wing radical angle.

Also, if the ricin attack really pans out (might just end up being a false positive), the senator who the letter was addressed to, is a southern republican who voted in favor of new gun control legislation, and has been taking a lot of heat from the people in his district.


*All of this stuff is even more hypothetical than the other observations I have made.

[skitty]

Don't know if this was covered; but yesterday was tax day and four days away from the anniversary of Waco and Oklahoma City.

[RedHal]

this sounds more and more like a right wing job. Maybe they even targeted the Boston Marathon because of the original Boston Tea Party.

[Comrade Nasser]

Don't know if this was covered; but yesterday was tax day and four days away from the anniversary of Waco and Oklahoma City.

Wow true.

[Paul Pott]

I would agree that the most informed speculation we can make is that some sort of right-wing militia/sovereign citizen did this.

[The Douche]

Please present other times radical rightists in the US have targeted civilians at a civic event.

Unless you're lumping in christian fundamentalists, but thats a different thing than militia/sovereign citizens etc.

[Starship Stormtrooper]

Please present other times radical rightists in the US have targeted civilians at a civic event.

Unless you're lumping in christian fundamentalists, but thats a different thing than militia/sovereign citizens etc.

Off the top of my head, a white supremacist group attempted to blow up a MLK parade a few years ago with a shrapnel bomb, though they are a slightly different species of wingnut (I'm personally not really willing to speculate who the culprit is here).

[Os Cangaceiros]

MLK parade has obvious symbolic significance, though. As does the OKC building, abortion clinics, the IRS building in Austin TX, etc. I don't see the significance in the race as a target.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd just hesistate before blaming this on the right...I remember that you could almost hear the collective sigh of disappointment when it turned out that Jared Loughner was genuinely nuts, and not some kind of fascist as many people here speculated after the Tucson shooting.

[Paul Pott]

Please present other times radical rightists in the US have targeted civilians at a civic event.

Unless you're lumping in christian fundamentalists, but thats a different thing than militia/sovereign citizens etc.

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they won't. There was a first time for everything that we now think of as common.

The bottom line is that we don't know, but the date and the nearby anniversaries might suggest something and it's hard to imagine that they're not relevant in some way.

Then again, the Columbine shooting happened on Hitler's birthday, and a lot of media was speculating about that. We don't know yet.

[Crixus]

How about a doomsday cult? That would be a refreshing change. Haven't heard much about the ol' doomsday cults since the 90's...

Shoot, I'm about ready to join one. Purple shoes cult, Jim Jones, some sort of Satanic sect, the Catholic Church whatever..... Anyway, serious note, this could be some primo Ted Kaczynski type lone wolf. An Islamic sect would seem to be more professional, as in, better built bomb, more people killed. Homemade bearings and nails sounds like the old homemade shack bomb. Fuck'm all.

[ellipsis]

this sounds more and more like a right wing job. Maybe they even targeted the Boston Marathon because of the original Boston Tea Party.

That was my thought. Lots of revolutionary symbolism around there, Lexington etc

[The Douche]

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they won't. There was a first time for everything that we now think of as common.

The bottom line is that we don't know, but the date and the nearby anniversaries might suggest something and it's hard to imagine that they're not relevant in some way.

Then again, the Columbine shooting happened on Hitler's birthday, and a lot of media was speculating about that. We don't know yet.

So you're not making this claim anymore?


I would agree that the most informed speculation we can make is that some sort of right-wing militia/sovereign citizen did this.


All you're looking at is the date. That is dumb. You're not thinking about the target, the potential motivations or goals, the propellant used, the ignition/timing system used, you're straight up disregarding all prior trends.

Granted, I am inclined to see the work of radical islamists here, because I have seen this stuff used by them in the past with my own eyes. But I don't think there is a strong case for the militia/gun nut/conservative/patriot/tea party types, it would not only be out of character, it would be inconsistent with their ideological motivations. Saying it was those types is like saying it was occupiers. There is some tiny outlying possibility, but it would be so strange that it doesn't warrant much attention in my opinion, from the information we currently have.

[Paul Pott]

So you're not making this claim anymore?

I never made any claim, other than the date might mean something and we have nothing else to go on.



All you're looking at is the date. That is dumb. You're not thinking about the target, the potential motivations or goals, the propellant used, the ignition/timing system used, you're straight up disregarding all prior trends.

The choice of target is odd, but that doesn't point to islamists. In fact the dates and anniversaries make a stronger case, and the Marathon was the most high profile event at the time.

Everyone can get pressure cookers, anyone who loads their own ammunition (ie many militia types) has gunpowder available, and the instructions for a bomb can be found on the internet.

[Agathor]

The fact that the targets were unspecified, but guaranteed to be a wide assortment of civilians, seems to indicate Islamic extremists rather than political extremists, who generally pick targets directly linked to their enemies. It could just be a lunatic though.

[Orange Juche]

I remember that you could almost hear the collective sigh of disappointment when it turned out that Jared Loughner was genuinely nuts, and not some kind of fascist as many people here speculated after the Tucson shooting.

It's this absolute politicization - that people want it to be who they hate so they can more viscerally define and sprout out their hatred - that I find fucking reprehensible in the response to this whole thing.

[cynicles]

I don't actually know enough about the situation but I'm going to point fingers anyways, definately the Babylonian lizard men.

[Taters]

I don't actually know enough about the situation but I'm going to point fingers anyways, definately the Babylonian lizard men.

Are you joking?! The Babylonian lizardmen revere marathon runners! My money's (excuse me, my labor vouchers) on the Venusian Illuminati.

[bcbm]

Please present other times radical rightists in the US have targeted civilians at a civic event.

eric rudolph 1996 atlanta olympic bombing


not suggesting this is right wing, just answering your question

[Niall]

Im assuming no one has claimed it yet? AT home - Ireland - the vast majority of attatcks are/were claimed very soon afterwards. I wouldnt be certain but does the fact that no one has claimed it yet rule out any of the jihadist groups?

[Jimmie Higgins]

Im assuming no one has claimed it yet? AT home - Ireland - the vast majority of attatcks are/were claimed very soon afterwards. I wouldnt be certain but does the fact that no one has claimed it yet rule out any of the jihadist groups?

Well that there's no political statement attached to it suggests that it's less likely to be political - but it could be a politically frustrated induvidual who is doing this out of pure frustration rather than to be a "spark" for some supposed uprising or to make a "strike against oppression". The lack of an obvious political connection to the targets also seems to suggest a non-political motive, though It's all just speculation.

[Popular Front of Judea]

Hmm here is a scenario -- and it's only a scenario -- that involves individuals from the domestic far right. It explains the lack of follow-up claims of commitment. It goes like this: We are in what is the second term of an illegitimate, collectivist and most likely Muslim president -- who just happens to be the product of miscegenation to boot. Despite warning after warning the American sheeple have not only elected this Manchurian President but went on to re-elect him with a clear majority. Clearly the American people need to be woken from their slumber. What better way to do so than by provoking an overreaction by this administration, prodding it to do the very actions they have warned the American public this Administration was planning on doing. If the attack is blamed on Muslim extremists so much the better. Yes random Americans are killed and maimed in this action but liberty always comes at a price.

In the age of the internet everyone borrows from everyone else. Strategies, tactics and techniques are the not sole possession of any group, faith or ideology.

[cynicles]

One question I have to ask is why people in this thread are refering to Islamic extremism and 'political' terrorism as two distinct categories.

[bcbm]

god i hope they figure out who did this soon so i dont have to read any more fucking wingnuts talk conspiracy theory shity about who dunnit

i dont think i have ever wanted the fbi to succeed at anything until now

[Crux]

MLK parade has obvious symbolic significance, though. As does the OKC building, abortion clinics, the IRS building in Austin TX, etc. I don't see the significance in the race as a target.
Well, there would be the Sandy Hooks connection, it started off with a moment of silence and I believe survivors was present in some form official capacity as well.
Supposing someone took the claims of Sandy Hooks all being a set up (and thus the survivors being agents or at the very least in on it) in order to target the Second Amendment then it does make a certain kind of sense to suspect the far right. But then again so far I haven't seen any indication of a specific target for the attack other than to cause as many casualties as possible. The inclusion of shrapnel in the bombs certainly shows that was at least part of the intent. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Vanilla]

I have the Today Show on in the background, and I heard them say the word "anarchists" in a story about how to make bombs is easily accessible via the internet. I think that's about as far as the left is going to be blamed for the bombs.

There was also a story about pictures being taken seconds after the bombing where there was a man with tattered pants who seems to be running away from the scene. He probably is just running away from the bomb, but I'll admit it looks kind of suspicious. I can't post links, but it is the top story on whdh. com.

[Crux]

The Saudi Marathon Man (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/04/the-saudi-marathon-man.html)

or how racism warps the mind.

[hatzel]

All this wild speculation is making me nauseous...

Until we know at least something about who did it, can't we please just start with the assumption that the significance of the date is simply that it was the date of the Boston marathon, that the significance of Boston is that the marathon was in Boston and that the significance of the marathon is that there were loads of people and TV cameras there, giving it maximum impact, whilst also being a relatively easy target, because there's only so much you can do to police a marathon? I think this is a far better approach than trying to figure out what's so special about 15th April, what's so special about Boston and what's so special about marathons (I know nobody here has gone that far, but I've seen Twitteroids claiming that attacking the fit and healthy was some kind of plot to weaken America/ns with an eye to easing an eventual conquest, no word of a lie), when we don't even have the foggiest who did it. And definitely definitely definitely let's drop all the insanely tenuous links...I mean c'mon now, the same week as Waco/Oklahoma? That's kind of already established itself as something you'd do on the exact day, 19th April, rather than some time in mid- to late-April. Soon we'll be saying it was maybe some Confederate neo-Nazi thing because the Eichmann trial started on 11th April you know and also the Civil War started on 12th April and that's almost right and and and blaaaaargh...

[Ele'ill]

it will turn out to be an accident, a hotdog vender generator caught fire and exploded right as a person coming home from the gun store carrying black powder crossed paths with a construction worker carrying nails and hundreds of ball bearings for his kid's slingshot (birthday present), the pressure cookers were free items put out on the sidewalk

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Don't know if this was posted before, but they caught a guy on camera on top of one of the nearby buildings right when the explosion took place:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-0-19508DB9000005DC-529_638x636.jpg

Story here (I know, it's from the Daily Mail, I'm sorry)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309641/Boston-explosions-Who-person-Individual-seen-walking-roof-directly-overhead-bomb-goes-Boston-Marathon.html

All this talk about who dunnit, and here we have clear evidence which can orient us towards the true culprits. Does anyone else notice the blurry outlines of the shifty figure in the photograph? His stooped head? His height in relation to the structure of the building? How did he get up there? These questions just AREN'T BEING ASKED. Why? Because this is a part of a conspiracy which goes so deep that it would blow the minds of most Americans. There is only one culprit which seems to fit the figure in the photograph and the inconsistencies of how a terrorist could climb a multiple story building with ease - the Sasquatch. It explains the modus operandi - where did he get the ball bearings? From stray shotgun rounds lodged in his body and that of deer carcasses from over-eager hunters. Where did he get the training? He, like the Michigan Militias, spends his time training in the woods, by himself in isolation, for months at a time. What's his motivation? Clearly, he is sick of being harassed by incompetent bigfoot hunters from cable TV channels desperate for ratings. What other evidence do we have? Boston Red Sox players pressuring the makers of Finding Bigfoot to produce evidence (http://www.cryptozoonews.com/dustin-fbf/). Pabst, the national beer of hipsters, is offering a reward for a Bigfoot finding (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brewer-offers-1m-reward-bigfoot-article-1.1318447), and Boston is one of the top hipster cities in the USA (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mhj45jmeh/18-allston-brighton-boston-ma-2/). The national Bigfoot Research Institute stems out of Boston (http://826boston.org/content/591). That, and the obvious physical resemblance is overwhelming:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Smalfut.jpg
All these together lead one to the incontrovertible conclusion that the US is facing a Sasquach terror problem, and the US government may know about it or are conspiring to cover it up, for their own motives.

What's not surprising is that Bigfoot would resort to such tactics. What is surprising is that so many, from the FBI, to Leftists, to the media, to crime analysts, and so on, are all ignoring these obvious signs. Or are some of them in cahoots with the hirsute Marathon bomber? Only time will tell.

*donate money for the production of my new documentary, "Loose Manes", via check and cash order sent to me ... personally ....*

[Zukunftsmusik]

^although I take this as (justified) irony towards those who point fingers, isn't it a bit too early for jokes?

[Futility Personified]

I really want to rep that twice, Sinister Cultural Marxist.

Truth be told though I was surprised a random Jihadi cell hasn't come out and taken responsibility. If they haven't by now then I guess we do have a veritable whodunnit going on.

[ellipsis]

^although I take this as (justified) irony towards those who point fingers, isn't it a bit too early for jokes?

No. I was telling 9/11 jokes on 9/12.

[Tim Cornelis]

This picture has been circulated online:

http://s14.postimg.org/h0ok0584g/1366206894468.jpg

It's probably not right, otherwise I'd imagine authorities having either arrested one of them or announced these photo's to the public -- though I don't know much about how such investigations go down.

[RadioRaheem84]

It's not working

[Sasha]

Dutch news is saying they have a suspect but no arrest yet, according to "sources"it is a black man filmed putting the backpacks in the trash bins..
Makes wonder about the motive even more, convert? Disturbed vet? Personal beef?

[bcbm]

suspect arrested (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/17/fbi-boston-police-say-range-suspects-motives-remains-wide-open/)

[RedAnarchist]

Boston Police Dept. ‏@Boston_Police 6m
Despite reports to the contrary there has not been an arrest in the Marathon attack.

[Tim Cornelis]

Does it work now?
http://s14.postimg.org/5bkkc6h5r/1366206894468.jpg

[Ele'ill]

Does it work now?
http://s14.postimg.org/5bkkc6h5r/1366206894468.jpg

make sure the links you post are not from some porn site, some of us are at public terminals and yes the link works fine next time put it in the spoiler tags instead of leaving it as [spoil.][/.spoil]

[Ele'ill]

I know there are a lot of people severely injured and that more people might die as a result of injuries but after seeing pictures of how tightly packed people were at the time of the blast I'm surprised more people didn't die.

[Wings Of Redemption]

It's either a fake or someone changed the name of a group they made on Saturday to try and get more people liking it.

That's exactly what I thought, for starters nobody is stupid enough to plant a bomb and stand atop a building and watch it go off. It's incredible how gullible some people can be when it comes to things like this. These ''Facebook activists'' are everywhere these days.

[bcbm]

looking for two suspects now i guess (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-bombings-20130417,0,661252.story)

[Tim Cornelis]

looking for two suspects now i guess (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-bombings-20130417,0,661252.story)

Why would perpetrators stay until the exploitation?


make sure the links you post are not from some porn site, some of us are at public terminals and yes the link works fine next time put it in the spoiler tags instead of leaving it as [spoil.][/.spoil]

Pornsite? What the... That link contains nothing except for a picture of a crowd. No ads, nothing.

[Ele'ill]

Pornsite? What the... That link contains nothing except for a picture of a crowd. No ads, nothing.

There were genitals and breasts all over the screen.

[Paul Pott]

I got porn on my screen and people saw it.

[Luc]

Pornsite? What the... That link contains nothing except for a picture of a crowd. No ads, nothing.

I got redirected to a badoink (porn app) ad After folowing ur link :lol:

[Red Commissar]

Pornsite? What the... That link contains nothing except for a picture of a crowd. No ads, nothing.

There's some sort of redirect that kicks in when you get on the site. I saw the image for a bit before it redirected to some porn adverts. Something has compromised that site.


looking for two suspects now i guess (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-bombings-20130417,0,661252.story)

Media is reporting all sorts of things. I guess we'll only know what's official when they hold their press conference, that's under an hour from now.

[Tim Cornelis]

There were genitals and breasts all over the screen.

What the fuck. I'm clicking it for the third time, no porn.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

What the fuck. I'm clicking it for the third time, no porn.
Are you running noscript/adblock?

[Crixus]

http://s14.postimg.org/hdfy6bqe7/1366206894468.jpg

[Ele'ill]

oh good giant photos not in spoiler tags

[Crixus]

sorry. i don't know how to do spoiler tags.

[Tim Cornelis]

Are you running noscript/adblock?

Nope, and I checked on another computer, no porn either.
Now I'm just afraid some of my essays have porn as a footnote.

EDIT:


http://s14.postimg.org/hdfy6bqe7/1366206894468.jpg

I followed the link you posted (couldn't see the image in revleft) and... there's the porn. Though only as ads above and under the image.

[Le Socialiste]

Apparently Obama and a number of Senators (Democrat and Republican) had letters sent to them laced with the poison ricin. "Suspicious packages" were also sent to lawmakers, causing security to evacuate three floors in two Senate office buildings:


Law enforcement authorities announced on Wednesday they had intercepted a potentially poison-laced letter intended for President Barack Obama, and temporarily locked down some Senate office buildings amid rising concerns of a terrorism-by-mail campaign reminiscent of the anthrax attacks that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, strikes. The missive tested positive for the deadly substance ricin.

The new threats emerged one day after a letter destined for Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi also tested positive for ricin. Officials said there was no evidence of a link to the bombings at the Boston Marathon.

Asked whether the Obama and Wicker incidents were connected, a law enforcement source told Yahoo News "the letters are very similar."

Obama was never in any real danger. Since the anthrax attacks in 2001, mail addressed to the White House goes through extensive off-site screening. The same goes for that of U.S. lawmakers.

Ricin, for which there is no known antidote, is made from ground castor beans—and ground castor beans lacking the poison's potency can still trigger a positive test.

One day after the letter to Wicker was intercepted, "a second letter containing a granular substance that preliminarily tested positive for ricin was received at an offsite mail screening facility," the FBI announced. "The envelope, addressed to the president, was immediately quarantined by U.S. Secret Service personnel, and a coordinated investigation with the FBI was initiated."

Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan also disclosed that a staffer in his Saginaw office had alerted authorities after receiving a "suspicious-looking letter." "Suspicious letters" were also intercepted at Republican Sen. Jeff Flake's Phoenix office on Wednesday morning, but "no dangerous or hazardous materials" were recovered in that incident, Flake announced later in the day.
And U.S. Capitol Police investigated a fresh potential threat to lawmakers: “suspicious packages” that had led them to clear three floors in two Senate office buildings, according to a spokeswoman. "Both incidents have been cleared. We have reopened every area—business as usual," Lt. Jessica Baboulis told Yahoo News.

One of the Hill offices investigated was that of Republican Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama.

Asked whether there was any sign that those situations were linked to the Wicker letter, Baboulis replied: “We have nothing to indicate that."

The White House worked to tamp down fears.

"Before we speculate, before we make connections that we don’t know exist, that the FBI has made a clear statement about, we need to get the facts," press secretary Jay Carney told reporters at his daily briefing in response to a question about whether the nation is "under attack."

Levin also appeared to play down the situation in his field office.

"Earlier today, a staffer at my Saginaw regional office received a suspicious-looking letter. The letter was not opened, and the staffer followed the proper protocols for the situation, including alerting the authorities, who are now investigating. We do not know yet if the mail presented a threat," he said in a statement. "I’m grateful for my staff’s quick response and for government personnel at all levels who are responding."

The suspicious letters and items on the Hill follow heightened tensions in the wake of Monday's deadly Boston Marathon bombings.

The letter sent to the president was never near the president or the White House. After the anthrax scares in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the White House moved all mail processing off-site. The screening facility that caught the president's letter on Tuesday is "not located near the White House complex," U.S. Secret Service spokesman Brian Leary noted in a statement.

"On 4-16-13, a letter addressed to the president containing a suspicious substance was received at the remote White House mail screening facility.

This facility routinely identifies letters or parcels that require secondary screening or scientific testing before delivery," Leary said.

"The Secret Service is working closely with the U.S. Capitol Police and the FBI in this investigation," he said.

Senate Sergeant at Arms Terrance Gainer said in an email to all Senate staff that mail delivery would be interrupted on Thursday and Friday, and he urged exceptional precautions when dealing with incoming mail:

Offices should NOT accept sealed envelopes. All unopened items should go through screening. You should accept mail only from a uniformed Senate Post Office employee or a government courier bearing a bona-fide government ID. Should an individual attempt to deliver a sealed item to your Washington, D.C., office, please redirect them to the Congressional Acceptance Site located at 160 D Street, NE (across the street from United States Capitol Police headquarters), or if you have any doubts, call the police. We will process these items safely and deliver them after they have cleared testing. If a sealed envelope already has been delivered to your office and it is of unknown origin, you should contact the United States Capitol Police."

News of the intercepted letter to the president was reportedly announced to senators during a briefing on Tuesday evening.

This post was last updated at 2:27 p.m. to include the all-clear in the Senate office buildings.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/letter-addressed-obama-contained-suspicious-substance-153931701--politics.html

[MP5]

The reason there is no suspect, that it looks like the work of amateurs, and that no one has taken credit for it is because it wasn't a bombing.

Funny but going by Wiki's definition of a bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb) it fit's the bill of a bombing.

[shuras]

In explosion related news: Many casualties in Texas Waco fertiliser plant blast

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22195495

Just to remind as was already mentioned in this thread, the anniversary of the ending of the Waco siege is the 19th according to Wikipedia. Anyone know the company of the plant?

[cyu]

If I were afraid of radical May 1st demonstrations, it would be great if I could find a way to make people afraid to appear radical when May 1st comes around.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

^what?

But I keep seeing reports where it shows pictures of the guy that supposedly did it. It must be wrong though because he's not a "dark skinned" guy as he keeps being referred to.

[ed miliband]

If I were afraid of radical May 1st demonstrations, it would be great if I could find a way to make people afraid to appear radical when May 1st comes around.

lol, what are you suggesting pal?

e: and do you think anyone is "afraid" of "radical may 1st demonstrations"? lololol.
e2: and i know my post isn't serious and shouldn't be in a thread about something so serious, but neither should yours.

[p0is0n]

FBI press conference starting now, photos of two suspects to be released as well as video.

[xvzc]

Nice to see the gut-reaction on hearing that people have been injured, perhaps even killed, is 'maaaaan I hope this doesn't make the Left look bad!'

Real classy.

I think it's nice we can jump over the moralist tear jerking part and discuss the political aspect of events -- classy or not.

[hatzel]

I think it's nice we can jump over the moralist tear jerking part and discuss the political aspect of events -- classy or not.

Yeah if somebody had bothered to 'discuss the political aspects of events' that would also have been of great benefit to this thread but alas...