How did North Korea came to be?

[Comrade #138672]

I have been wondering this for a while. It is something that I should already know, but unfortunately don't.

How did North Korea came to be from a Marxist perspective? And how did the relationship between South Korea, Japanese imperialism and the US came to be?

Is it comparable to the degenerated USSR (with Stalin compared to Lenin) or has it never been a genuine "attempt" at Socialism? Or is it something else?

[Red Nightmare]

North Korea is basically a product of Japanese, Soviet, and U.S. imperialism. After the Korean peninsula was liberated from Japanese rule, the Soviets installed Kim Il-Sung as a puppet leader. The Americans, seeing their interests as threatened by Soviet expansion started sending in troops to topple the Kim regime and aid the anticommunists. After a period of bloody fighting, a ceasefire was called and a UN vote which the Soviets were tricked into being excluded from was made that divided it into North and South Korea. The ceasefire never ended and the two countries remain this way today even over twenty years after the fall of the USSR.

I don't consider North Korea to have ever been genuinely socialist. In the Cold War it was a puppet of Moscow and now it is just an isolated absolute monarchy centered around the personality cult of its dynastic Kim family.

[Comrade #138672]

North Korea is basically a product of Japanese, Soviet, and U.S. imperialism. After the Korean peninsula was liberated from Japanese rule, the Soviets installed Kim Il-Sung as a puppet leader.But wasn't Kim II-Sung already leading a struggle? Or was he part of the bourgeoisie?


The Americans, seeing their interests as threatened by Soviet expansion started sending in troops to topple the Kim regime and aid the anticommunists. After a period of bloody fighting, a ceasefire was called and a UN vote which the Soviets were tricked into being excluded from was made that divided it into North and South Korea. The ceasefire never ended and the two countries remain this way today even over twenty years after the fall of the USSR.How were the Soviets tricked into being excluded from the voting? Was it really that significant?


I don't consider North Korea to have ever been genuinely socialist. In the Cold War it was a puppet of Moscow and now it is just an isolated absolute monarchy centered around the personality cult of its dynastic Kim family.Could North Korea be considered State Capitalist? Who make up the bourgeoisie?

What about South Korea? Is it really that much "better" than North Korea? I thought it was basically a dictatorship too.

[Red Nightmare]

How were the Soviets tricked into being excluded from the voting? Was it really that significant?[QUOTE]
When Soviet ambassador Yakov Malik walked out of the UN security council due to the presence of a nationalist Chinese representative, he or any other Soviet representative was not allowed back in and the vote including the proposition for creating two Koreas was made.
[QUOTE] So
Could North Korea be considered State Capitalist? Who make up the bourgeoisie? [QUOTE]

I would consider it to be state capitalist, the North Korean military and bureaucracy are basically the bourgeoisie of North Korea, although I don't know whether their relationship to the means of production is quite the same. Anyhow, North Korea is definitely not socialist, especially if you believe that socialism cannot exist in one country.

[QUOTE]What about South Korea? Is it really that much "better" than North Korea? I thought it was basically a dictatorship too.

Yeah it was very undemocratic as well, the U.S. just supported it because it was anti-communist they even knew it wasn't a free country at all.

[Red Nightmare]

How were the Soviets tricked into being excluded from the voting? Was it really that significant?

When Soviet ambassador Yakov Malik walked out of the UN security council due to the presence of a nationalist Chinese representative, he or any other Soviet representative was not allowed back in and the vote including the proposition for creating two Koreas was made.

So
Could North Korea be considered State Capitalist? Who make up the bourgeoisie?

I would consider it to be state capitalist, the North Korean military and bureaucracy are basically the bourgeoisie of North Korea, although I don't know whether their relationship to the means of production is quite the same. Anyhow, North Korea is definitely not socialist, especially if you believe that socialism cannot exist in one country.



Yeah it was very undemocratic as well, the U.S. just supported it because it was anti-communist they even knew it wasn't a free country at all.[/QUOTE]