Revolution?

[Sakana]

How does the revolution into communism work, exactly? From what redstar2000 has posted, at least, you are trying to change the paradigm of the world (because, from what I can tell, it requires a world-wide effort to pull off communism) in one fell swoop. Is there a logical reason to believe that you will be able to instate your ideas?

[Bolshevika]

On a political level I believe the way to orchestrate a revolution in country "X" is by uniting all the left-wing parties. Social Democrats/ "greens", Marxist-Leninists/Maoists, etc in a united front against capitalism. Like Mao Tse Tung says, first we must solve the antagonistic contradictions, which are the imperialists/oppressors, and then we solve the non-antagonistic contradictions, which is decision making in a diverse party, etc (we solve the latter through debates, discipline, and criticism).

One step at a time we take this.

On an armed level we usually launch a guerrilla war operating from someone's basement. A healthy dose of political assassination, carbombs, strikes, hostage taking, bank robberies (it's federally insured, so working people are not affected) etc should get our points across and meet our monetary demands.

This is a very shallow explanation of a revolution, I was working on a 5 page pamphlet on it I was going to submit to my comrades in WWP, however I deleted it all because I thought it was extremely simplified..

[Saint-Just]

Redstar2000 has the opinion that a revolutionary consciousness will, over time, develop for the masses of workers. They will create the revolution. There will be masses of people becoming class consciouss and they will be great enough to overwhelm the ruling classes.

People such as myself believe that socialism can be created and built in a single country. That country will aid revolutionary movements in other nations. I would say that a small number of people can create a revolution, however they do need a great enough force to defeat the ruling class. After which they can use state power to politicise masses more workers. The revolution will not emerge by people spontaneously becoming class consciouss but by a band of full-time revolutionaries creating a revolutionary movement and making workers class conscious from without.

The world does not need to create revolution simultaneously. Also, instating ideas in one nation can be done given the right social/economic conditions and the right leaders.

[apathy maybe]

I feel that a free and fair society such as invisaged by most people here (be it communism, anarchism or a mix) can not be brought about by violent revolution.
We must, in my opinion, bring about class consciousness, not by killing people (though that maybe at times needed), but by education. If we can get people who wont lose their beliefs in parliament we can change it from the inside. But it will need to be combined with protests and strikes (of the non-violent type).

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 09:00 PM
On an armed level we usually launch a guerrilla war operating from someone's basement. A healthy dose of political assassination, carbombs, strikes, hostage taking, bank robberies (it's federally insured, so working people are not affected) etc should get our points across and meet our monetary demands.

:o :o , no wonder you support terrorist.
Who will you take hostage, civilians?

[synthesis]

Marx believed that industrial technology allows capitalists to downsize workers that are no longer necessary to its existence. Conditions get worse and wages get lower as the available labor pool decreases the bargaining power of an increasingly growing unemployed work force.

Eventually, the conditions, wages, and unemployment get so bad that the workers revolt and take control of the industrial machinery.

The reason why Leninist revolutions fail is because, by definition, they take place in countries where the industrial technology has not advanced to the point where everyone can be fed and clothed without a state to force workers to perform their duties. If the nation has industrialized sufficiently, the military would also be advanced to the point of being able to put down an armed vanguard.

What is necessary is a class revolution brought about by capitalist conditions, such as the Paris Commune of the 19th century.

[Sakana]

Ah, I see.

I have a few questions, but I'll post them once they're better formed and I can't resolve them myself. Thanks.