"We're going to have more visibility and less privacy" - Michael Bloomberg

[Os Cangaceiros]

Envisioning a future where privacy is a thing of the past, Mayor Bloomberg (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Michael+Bloomberg) said Friday it will soon be impossible to escape the watchful eyes of surveillance cameras and even drones in the city.

He acknowledged privacy concerns, but said “you can’t keep the tides from coming in.”

“You wait, in five years, the technology is getting better, they’ll be cameras everyplace . . . whether you like it or not,” Bloomberg said.
The security measures have drawn scorn from some civil libertarians — but Bloomberg scoffed at privacy concerns on his Friday morning program on WOR-AM.

“The argument against using automation is just this craziness that 'Oh, it’s Big Brother,’” Bloomberg said. “Get used to it!”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bloomberg-new-york-eventually-surveillance-city-article-1.1296103#ixzz2QKliDC1B

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Lovely.

When we actually get a semblance of Socialist democracy, the first thing i'll vote for/initiate a vote for, is to tear down those fucking cameras.

Or maybe just allow a vote and tear them down anyway? They're fucking creepy. There's one in the road next to me, a fucking massive one bearing down on the road. I mean, when it comes to liberty people can be prone to hyperbole, but it's genuinely not something too far removed from 1984. It's just that we don't go about our daily lives thinking about how many times we've been filmed/recorded etc.

[homegrown terror]

i think if this happens, NYC needs a grassroots campaign to destroy enough cameras that it taxes the budget too much to keep replacing them.

[piet11111]

Wasn't it in London that someone got beat up and mugged only to have the cops taking so damned long to get the camera footage that it was overwritten already.

[homegrown terror]

Wasn't it in London that someone got beat up and mugged only to have the cops taking so damned long to get the camera footage that it was overwritten already.

the victim must have been poor, a minority, or "unworthy" of their aid for some other reason. if it had been a white male of means who either owns business or consumes enough to make businesses profitable, that tape would have been in the DA's (or the british equivalent) hands in an hour flat.

[Agathor]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about CCTV? There aren't enough people in the country to monitor the things, and almost all of the footage they record will never be seen unless a crime is committed nearby.

[Ele'ill]

Lovely.

When we actually get a semblance of Socialist democracy, the first thing i'll vote for/initiate a vote for, is to tear down those fucking cameras.



Some of us probably won't wait that long.



and almost all of the footage they record will never be seen unless a crime is committed nearby.

I'd imagine it is the beginning stages of a more advanced surveillance state and this is how they will work out the early issues. I think that to them everything that remotely comes close to challenging the status quo is a crime or potentially a crime or investigation worthy.

[Akshay!]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about CCTV? There aren't enough people in the country to monitor the things, and almost all of the footage they record will never be seen unless a crime is committed nearby.

I quite agree with this.

Sure, they have a ton of data. So what? It's not like they're going to be able to analyze all of it. It's just plain impossible to monitor hundreds of millions of people.

Of course, they can do things after the fact - which is the main problem.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Technology like facial recognition (which apparently Bloomberg also loves) will probably make things like data mining more efficient.

[slum]

as if i needed another reason to hate this hideous excuse for a human being

keep talking, fucker- makes it all the easier for people to recognize what you really are.

[Hexen]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about CCTV? There aren't enough people in the country to monitor the things, and almost all of the footage they record will never be seen unless a crime is committed nearby.


keep talking, fucker- makes it all the easier for people to recognize what you really are.


Yep, also one thing I do notice is that ones who truly fear surveillance are right wing libertarians because they want the "government off their backs" (i.e. it translates the fear of the workers observing the capitalist when they're committing their crimes).

[Rugged Collectivist]

Yep, also one thing I do notice is that ones who truly fear surveillance are right wing libertarians because they want the "government off their backs" (i.e. it translates the fear of the workers observing the capitalist when they're committing their crimes).

I don't see how that follows since surveillance camera's are meant to catch people committing poor person crimes like shoplifting.

Anyway, between surveillance technology and the internet I wouldn't doubt that privacy is largely becoming obsolete. Sometimes I think people will just adapt to this instead of fighting it.

[bcbm]

Am I the only one who doesn't care about CCTV? There aren't enough people in the country to monitor the things, and almost all of the footage they record will never be seen unless a crime is committed nearby.

Sure, they have a ton of data. So what? It's not like they're going to be able to analyze all of it. It's just plain impossible to monitor hundreds of millions of people.

Of course, they can do things after the fact - which is the main problem.

technology for analyzing the material without any need for humans to be watching already exists and, though currently still very flawed, is getting more and more kinks hammered out every day. they dont need people to monitor and analyze


(i.e. it translates the fear of the workers observing the capitalist when they're committing their crimes).

uh yeah, who do you think is implementing these surveillance apparatus?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yep, also one thing I do notice is that ones who truly fear surveillance are right wing libertarians because they want the "government off their backs" (i.e. it translates the fear of the workers observing the capitalist when they're committing their crimes).

No offense but that's truly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on this site.

[Comrade #138672]

Those cameras should be destroyed. It only reinforces the oppression of the working class.

[Ravachol]

Technology like facial recognition (which apparently Bloomberg also loves) will probably make things like data mining more efficient.

While much facial recognition algorithms are quite lacking, technology like Google's Neven Vision (which is also incorporated in Picasa) and approaches that focus on 3-dimensional face recognition, skin texture analysis or hidden markov models are more promising than the traditional approaches like eigenfaces. In addition, the tremendous amount of information already available through services such as facebook (including bloody voluntary tagging by people and their friends) and biometric passports allow for a big data approach which can leverage such information to build pretty accurate profiles for matching.

Given that a lot of CCTV systems nowadays come with rudimentary facial recognition software (and a some of them with more sophisticated implementations), this adds yet another vector to the 'who was where at what moment with whom' picture, as if mobile phone triangulation didn't provide enough of that already... Putting all this together (never mind the smartphone location services, people checking in at 4square or whatever, etc.) makes datamining very, very accurate and allows for very efficient automated detection of patterns and changes/anomalies in social behavior, movements, crowd dynamics, etc.

People who underestimate this sort of thing are either ignorant of utter fools.