Can anybody tell me something about 'Generation Identitair'?

[Total]

Yo,

Can anybody tell me something about 'Generation Identitair'?

The reason I'm asking is that a 'new' group presented itself recently in the Netherlands. They call themself 'Identitair Verzet' and it looks like they have this french group as an example. I'm trying to research it a bit, but the dutch group is so new there's hardly any info, and my french sucks balls, pardon my french. So can anybody help me out?

About the dutch group..
They've announced a demonstration in front of 'de vluchtkerk' in Amsterdam (long story, short version; sort of squatted church where a group of 'illigal immigrants' that have to leave according to immigration laws but can't, stay and live at the moment). Claim to be a 'Groot Nederlandshe' (Great Netherlandisch, meaning all dutch speaking countries united) action group, asking for militants to show up and demonstrate. They subtitled a french youtube link, witch isn't a manifest, but a declaration of war, so they say.
If somebody knows more about them, please tell..

[bcbm]

did google translate on their website, they're definitely a bunch of right wing nationalists

[Delenda Carthago]

Its that new trend, of "autonomous nationalist". In France I think they are kinda big. I hope I am wrong though.

[Red Commissar]

If they are taking cues from what I assume is their French counterpart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloc_identitaire), they seem to be right-wing populist types. They seem to be trying to appeal to youth more and appropriate certain issues common on the left ie anti-globalization as well as imagery (like casa pound in Italy). According to that article they appear to be the first that started that whole mess to run soup kitchens and food banks that only serve people of their cultural identity.

[Sasha]

Same shit, different gravy.
Autonomous nationalism/national socialism is passe, this is the "new" thing, think boneheads with aucoustic guitars playing folk songs drinking microbrew beers instead of euroshopper.
Close to flemmish solidarism (N-SA), CasaPound and Nation (walonie)

[Total]

Does anybody know why they use a yellow and a black flag in their logo?

and by the way, they had an info meeting at delft, didn't the n-sa have some support in that area?

[Sasha]

It's the shield of the Spartans in the movie 300 (seriously)

[Sasha]

Does anybody know why they use a yellow and a black flag in their logo?

and by the way, they had an info meeting at delft, didn't the n-sa have some support in that area?

n-sa collapsed recently (see the new Alert) so this might be related to the split...

[Total]

Yeah, i knew about the collapse of the n-sa, partly why i was wondering if they had ties to id verzet, for now i guess it's safe to assume they're at least part the same..

And there's something odd about their logo ussage
They claim to use the Lambda sign, the one one the shields in 300 yes, --> Λ
But they actually use an omega sign --> Ω

That wasn't what i was asking though, i was wondering about their choice of flags, a yellow one and a black one.. offline an-caps? or just a cool colours?
Does anybody know if the french flirt with something like an-cap?

[Sasha]

Yellow-socialism maybe?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_socialism

[Kirillov]

They're not ancaps, neither are they just neo-nazis sailing under yet another banner. But they spawned from the New Right current, which makes it hard to tell what social order they're trying to establish because it differs. However they're usually strongly opposed to what they consider to be totalitarian systems and it's quite right to regard them as ethno-pluralists and pro-european.

One of the more interesting things about those groups though is they didn't just adapt left forms of protest and they didn't just adapt left topics, but they actually adapted modern left theory and criticism in large. Here in germany they even incorporate the works of people like Thälmann and Adorno. And, for example, the whole identity politics discussion about cultural imperialism (e.g. exporting and applying heteronormativity to non-western-societies), about things like cultural appropriation and so on - They basically have the very same concepts of identity many modern leftists have, but instead they affirm (insead of: "decontruct") them not only in defense of non-western societies but in "defense" and "preservation" of theirs.

I think it's quite important to consider those factors, because 1) the criticism of naziism, traditional racism and so on do not quite apply here and 2) they're a very small group, but the ideas they're spouting are nothing new either. They just radicalized and elaborated on them to some extend. More precisely: They're, I think, the most relevant group today in line with the Ideas of people like Alain de Benoist. Many modern "critics" of Islam however (excluding neo-conservatives and down right biologist racists here) hold those views in some half-backed form or another.

[Total]

Yellow-socialism, never heard form it until now, every day is a school day..

[Sasha]

They're not ancaps, neither are they just neo-nazis sailing under yet another banner. But they spawned from the New Right current, which makes it hard to tell what social order they're trying to establish because it differs. However they're usually strongly opposed to what they consider to be totalitarian systems and it's quite right to regard them as ethno-pluralists and pro-european.

One of the more interesting things about those groups though is they didn't just adapt left forms of protest and they didn't just adapt left topics, but they actually adapted modern left theory and criticism in large. Here in germany they even incorporate the works of people like Thälmann and Adorno. And, for example, the whole identity politics discussion about cultural imperialism (e.g. exporting and applying heteronormativity to non-western-societies), about things like cultural appropriation and so on - They basically have the very same concepts of identity many modern leftists have, but instead they affirm (insead of: "decontruct") them not only in defense of non-western societies but in "defense" and "preservation" of theirs.

I think it's quite important to consider those factors, because 1) the criticism of naziism, traditional racism and so on do not quite apply here and 2) they're a very small group, but the ideas they're spouting are nothing new either. They just radicalized and elaborated on them to some extend. More precisely: They're, I think, the most relevant group today in line with the Ideas of people like Alain de Benoist. Many modern "critics" of Islam however (excluding neo-conservatives and down right biologist racists here) hold those views in some half-backed form or another.

Maybe if you take them on their "ideological" word but if you look at the players for 99% its just the old neo-nazi crowd jumping on a new bandwagon. For example I assume the dutch splinter based on their location and stuff I asume that somewhere veteran Tim Mudde is involved, that guy went from the neo-nazi CP86 to national-anarchist while being in the great "diets" ultra-nationalist/fascist voorpost ranting about boneheads while still fronting bonehead band "brigade m" (named after the colaberatist but not Nazi leader of the dutch NSB) etc etc.
These guys switch ideologies faster than they can get another pint down, in the end its just what I said though; same shit, different gravy.

[Kirillov]

I can only talk about what's happening here, but there's a great deal of truth in that and in fact there are quite a few genuine neo-nazi groups protesting under this banner. However they're hated by the main protagonists, perceived as entrists and so on, and they're quite open about their hatred for their parties and organisations too. Furthermore those groups (at least here) do not consist of the usual working-poor audience neo-nazi groups attract. It's mostly students, young people gathering around Nouvelle Droite journals like Blaue Narzisse, elitists, members of Burschenschaften, and so on.

[An archist]

Nothing spectacular to report on the French 'Identitaires', as far as I know they're basically another far-right militant group. The guys in the north of France like to do pseudo-military stuff, like paintball and survival weekends.

[Ravachol]

Nothing spectacular to report on the French 'Identitaires', as far as I know they're basically another far-right militant group. The guys in the north of France like to do pseudo-military stuff, like paintball and survival weekends.

I also recall a lot of big talk from them about going to Clichy-Sous-Bois during the 2005 riots in France to 'clean house' (which would've been sure fucking suicide) only to hold the same pathetic march under police protection a few weeks after... :rolleyes: