Visiting fascist politician gets trolled by New Zealand's traditional Maori welcome

[RHIZOMES]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8517466/Danish-politician-slams-Maori-welcome


A right-wing Danish politician has mocked a Maori welcome to New Zealand, dubbing the powhiri an "uncivilised" ritual, and marae a "grotesque" mark of multicultural worship.

Marie Krarup, in an opinion piece in Danish newspaper Berlingske Tidende, was shocked to be welcomed by a dancing, barely-clothed man, instead of a handshake or salute.

"When we came to a naval base, we were not received with a handshake or salute by uniformed men as usual," she wrote.

"No, we were welcomed with a Maori dance ritual, with a half-naked man in grass skirt, shouting and screaming in Maori."

Krarup, who was in New Zealand on a defence committee visit, said the man performed "strange rituals and poked his tongue out."

She said she felt like an "idiot" when giving a hongi, and was relieved to catch a big kiss on the cheek by one man instead of the traditional nose touching.

When it was time to sing, Krarup said the waiata sounded like a Danish children's song about a happy ladybird. She said it was accompanied by a "kindergarten-teacher-guitar-accompaniment".

The marae, or "Maori temple", was a form of cultural self-destruction, according to Krarup.

"It was decorated with God-figures with angry faces and large erect penises," she said.

"It's a mystery to me how the poor naval officers could endure both the ceremony and the surroundings."

Krarup is a member of parliament for the Danish People's Party, which is described as a very right-wing party by political commentators.

Its goals are to protect the freedom and cultural heritage of the Danish people, and limit immigration.

Victoria University's Centre for Strategic Studies hosted a round table with Denmark's Parliamentary Committee, which included Krarup, early last month.

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[Zostrianos]

Next time they should welcome her with a pie to the face

[RHIZOMES]

You'd have to be incredibly lame and blinded by racist ideology to not think this is awesome:

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[DasFapital]

If she hates immigration so much then why the fuck was her white ass in New Zealand?

[RHIZOMES]

If she hates immigration so much then why the fuck was her white ass in New Zealand?

She was visiting as part of some defence committee.

Can't believe the Danish government gave a fascist what seems to be a cabinet position.

Makes me ashamed of my Danish heritage.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

If she hates immigration so much then why the fuck was her white ass in New Zealand?

It's just the same with the Dutch Nationalist Geert Wilders as he tried to visit (i believe) America. They wouldn't give him a visa! :laugh:
I laughed so hard. Here he was, trying to close Dutch borders, but gets offended if they close it for him.
Dumbass nationalists...

[DROSL]

Even if she's a fascist, diplomats should be welcomed by the official authority. And aren't Danish a dog race ? Lol kidding

[Thelonious]

Every time I turn around I hear another white person talking racist shit. At my job, in the supermarket, at my son's soccer practice, on the news, all over the internet, on television, in school textbooks, yesterday at the NY aquarium, white rappers, suburban high school students, politicians, police, the member who calls himself The Employer Destroyer here on Revleft, etc. It is so ingrained in some white people's nature, that they don't even realize they sound like some cracker circa 1962.

And then, on the other hand, are those who are perfectly aware what they are saying, like the dumb fascist blockhead from Denmark, or wherever the hell she's from.

[Sasha]

Didnt the British queen mothers husband always pull shit like this on state visits? Say incredible condesending tripe about savages and shit that made you long for a traditional native spear to the face next time.

[Beeth]

This is tricky. This politician may be a fascist bigot, but that doesn't change the fact that this whole episode is rather bizarre. I am from a tribal country and even I would be offended if something like this were to happen to me. So a person from a country where tribal traditions are unheard of will certainly take offense. I can't believe people fail to see this and instead focus only on the fact that the person concerned is a right winger. Suppose this person had been a moderate or liberal or even a left winger, then what?

My point is, let us see the issue rationally rather than justify all kinds of nonsense just because they are targeted at the right wingers. If someone were to take a leak in a fascist's office, would such conduct be condoned because a fascist is being trolled?

[Nevsky]

Maybe fascist isn't even the right term for that politician. A true nationalist likes primitivistic "cultural purity" even for other cultures other than his own, as long as they stay in their "nation" of course. I think the politician in question is just a christian bigot.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

This is tricky. This politician may be a fascist bigot, but that doesn't change the fact that this whole episode is rather bizarre. I am from a tribal country and even I would be offended if something like this were to happen to me.

It might not be the most pleasant of welcomes, but I don't see how it is offensive.


So a person from a country where tribal traditions are unheard of will certainly take offense.

Not really; I would certainly not take offense, and I think most comrades here would not. And certainly none of us would describe the affair as "uncivilised" or "grotesque".


I can't believe people fail to see this and instead focus only on the fact that the person concerned is a right winger. Suppose this person had been a moderate or liberal or even a left winger, then what?

Assuming they also talked about the "uncivilised" Maori and so on, they would still be racist idiots. Though most racist liberals, moderates and bourgeois "left wingers" are at least smart enough to keep their bigotry to themselves - open bigotry doesn't really sell parties like it used to.


My point is, let us see the issue rationally rather than justify all kinds of nonsense just because they are targeted at the right wingers. If someone were to take a leak in a fascist's office, would such conduct be condoned because a fascist is being trolled?

Probably. But this isn't even remotely similar.

[RHIZOMES]

This is tricky. This politician may be a fascist bigot, but that doesn't change the fact that this whole episode is rather bizarre. I am from a tribal country and even I would be offended if something like this were to happen to me. So a person from a country where tribal traditions are unheard of will certainly take offense. I can't believe people fail to see this and instead focus only on the fact that the person concerned is a right winger. Suppose this person had been a moderate or liberal or even a left winger, then what?

My point is, let us see the issue rationally rather than justify all kinds of nonsense just because they are targeted at the right wingers. If someone were to take a leak in a fascist's office, would such conduct be condoned because a fascist is being trolled?

what the hell is this post?

There's nothing weird about it at all. A Maori cultural performance is a pretty standard thing for any ceremony in which the intent is to show off New Zealand/Aotearoa culture.

And her being a racist bigot has everything to do with her reaction, as Semendyaev outlined.

[bcbm]

If someone were to take a leak in a fascist's office, would such conduct be condoned because a fascist is being trolled?

no, it would have to be a full defecation to be condoned

[Beeth]

what the hell is this post?

There's nothing weird about it at all. A Maori cultural performance is a pretty standard thing for any ceremony in which the intent is to show off New Zealand/Aotearoa culture.

And her being a racist bigot has everything to do with her reaction, as Semendyaev outlined.

If a person finds it bizarre to be greeted by a screaming half naked man, is that person being a racist?

[Beeth]

It might not be the most pleasant of welcomes, but I don't see how it is offensive.



Not really; I would certainly not take offense, and I think most comrades here would not. And certainly none of us would describe the affair as "uncivilised" or "grotesque".


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A screaming half naked person, gods with angry faces and erect penises, nose touching, etc. - all this isn't grotesque to you?

[Sasha]

Yes, and a sheltered idiot. Anyone who paid attention in school, heck anyone who ever passed rugby while flipping channels knows what a hakka is and thats its an tradional Maori welcome.
She would probably say the same shit over her countrys own natives customs..

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

A screaming half naked person, gods with angry faces and erect penises, nose touching, etc. - all this isn't grotesque to you?

I like grotesque things, but not really. I can see why it'd rub you the wrong way, though, considering some of your past stances...

[Tenka]

A screaming half naked person, gods with angry faces and erect penises, nose touching, etc. - all this isn't grotesque to you?

I for one think it's bloody hilarious. And anyway, it's apparently how things are done in New Zealand. Finding it grotesque isn't racist in itself, but it is racist to then go on about how "uncivilised" it is and "cultural self-destruction".

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Next time they should welcome her with a pie to the face

Or a bullet.

[Luís Henrique]

If a person finds it bizarre to be greeted by a screaming half naked man, is that person being a racist?

If such person is in a diplomatic mission, I expect her to:

1) inform herself about how foreign diplomats are greeted in the country she is visiting;

2) smile and pretend everything is OK, even if she finds it utterly repulsive.

But of course that assumes the diplomat in question is a civilised person, which may not be the case with this particular viking.

Luís Henrique

[Mather]

A right-wing Danish politician has mocked a Maori welcome to New Zealand, dubbing the powhiri an "uncivilised" ritual, and marae a "grotesque" mark of multicultural worship.



I hope that this idiot realises that the Maoris are the indigenous people and culture of New Zealand. Notice how she views displays of Maori culture to be an example of a "grotesque mark of multicultural worship" but says nothing of the foreign culture of New Zealand's white settler community. But like all good racists, such consistency is not to be expected.

Her hypocrisy also shows up her white supremacism. According to her it is "grotesque" that Maoris practice their culture in New Zealand but I doubt she would call Danes practising their culture in Denmark to be "grotesque".

[bcbm]

A screaming half naked person, gods with angry faces and erect penises, nose touching, etc. - all this isn't grotesque to you?

nope

[Crux]

If a person finds it bizarre to be greeted by a screaming half naked man, is that person being a racist?
No, the Danish People's Party are racist scum quite independent of this further display of racism by one of their representatives. Why the fuck are you defending them, Beeth?


She was visiting as part of some defence committee.

Can't believe the Danish government gave a fascist what seems to be a cabinet position.

Makes me ashamed of my Danish heritage.
No, the right wing government, backed by the DPP, was kicked out of power in the last election. Doesn't mean the Danish People's Party aren't still a disgrace, mind.

[RHIZOMES]

I for one think it's bloody hilarious. And anyway, it's apparently how things are done in New Zealand. Finding it grotesque isn't racist in itself, but it is racist to then go on about how "uncivilised" it is and "cultural self-destruction".

This post so hard. Beeth is severely missing the point.

[Beeth]

No, the Danish People's Party are racist scum quite independent of this further display of racism by one of their representatives. Why the fuck are you defending them, Beeth?

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I am not talking about the Danish party or this particular racist diplomat. I am taking this episode further to consider a general point regarding greeting. Must we defend this sort of 'greeting' in the name of anti-racism? That's what I am trying to get at - wouldn't a simple handshake do? Are we going to defend all sorts of cultural quirks just because they do a good job trolling racists?

[Crux]

On a side note, as much as I hate them, I think it is incorrect to designate the Danish People's Party as fascists. As odious as their right-wing racist populism is they are no Jobbik, if you catch my drift.

[RHIZOMES]

I am not talking about the Danish party or this particular racist diplomat. I am taking this episode further to consider a general point regarding greeting. Must we defend this sort of 'greeting' in the name of anti-racism? That's what I am trying to get at - wouldn't a simple handshake do? Are we going to defend all sorts of cultural quirks just because they do a good job trolling racists?

In all these posts where you're essentially repeating yourself, you seem to constantly ignore the one pivotal point everyone keeps bringing up, that deflates your entire terrible argument.

And that's the first line of the article:


A right-wing Danish politician has mocked a Maori welcome to New Zealand, dubbing the powhiri an "uncivilised" ritual, and marae a "grotesque" mark of multicultural worship.

[RHIZOMES]

P.S. Beeth I find your calls to abolish Maori welcoming ceremonies particularly offensive as a New Zealander, since it took a lot of struggle for Maori culture to even be acknowledged in such an official way. It only started in the 1980s as a result of a huge Maori activist movement in the 1970s.

We're still slowly recovering from the psychological effects of white settler colonialism here, and emphasising Maori culture in the ways that MP Krarup so despises have really helped to make Maori culture more 'mainstream' and less Othered.

So basically what you're arguing for in the context of modern New Zealand politics is fundamentally reactionary.

[Beeth]

P.S. Beeth I find your calls to abolish Maori welcoming ceremonies particularly offensive as a New Zealander, since it took a lot of struggle for Maori culture to even be officially acknowledged in such an official way.

We're still slowly recovering from the psychological effects of white settler colonialism here, and emphasising Maori culture in the ways that MP Krarup so despises here have really helped to make Maori culture more 'mainstream' and less Othered.

So basically what you're arguing for in the context of New Zealand politics is fundamentally reactionary.

*sighs* Racists use incidents like this to press their point. That may be sneaky and underhanded, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't take an objective look at the whole thing as leftists. Is it our task, as leftists, to promote various cultures, or is it our task to promote economic equality? Which do you think will benefit everyone, Maoris included?

[RHIZOMES]

*sighs* Racists use incidents like this to press their point. That may be sneaky and underhanded, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't take an objective look at the whole thing as leftists. Is it our task, as leftists, to promote various cultures, or is it our task to promote economic equality? Which do you think will benefit everyone, Maoris included?

I didn't realise you could only choose one at a time, my bad. :rolleyes:

[hatzel]

Is it our task, as leftists, to promote various cultures, or is it our task to promote economic equality?

...and simple handshakes promote economic equality, do they? :confused:

[RHIZOMES]

By the way, quick announcement everyone: the plural of Maori is Maori. Not Maoris.

ty

[Yuppie Grinder]

If a person finds it bizarre to be greeted by a screaming half naked man, is that person being a racist?

If you don't find that fun than you are something almost as bad, a square.

[Rafiq]

This is tricky. This politician may be a fascist bigot, but that doesn't change the fact that this whole episode is rather bizarre. I am from a tribal country and even I would be offended if something like this were to happen to me. So a person from a country where tribal traditions are unheard of will certainly take offense. I can't believe people fail to see this and instead focus only on the fact that the person concerned is a right winger. Suppose this person had been a moderate or liberal or even a left winger, then what?

My point is, let us see the issue rationally rather than justify all kinds of nonsense just because they are targeted at the right wingers. If someone were to take a leak in a fascist's office, would such conduct be condoned because a fascist is being trolled?

remember what i told all of you about beeth?

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[Thelonious]

I am from a tribal country and even I would be offended if something like this were to happen to me. So a person from a country where tribal traditions are unheard of will certainly take offense. Here beeth claims that the hundreds of millions of humans who are not from tribal countries "will certainly take offense" to the greeting because beeth (who is from a tribal country) was offended by it.

This statement has got to be one of the most ignorant, egotistical, and cringe-worthy statements I have read by a non-restricted member since the short time I have been a member of this forum.

*She claims to know for "certain" that hundreds of millions of human beings are not capable of appreciating emotional or aesthetic influences of other cultures solely because she can't.

* She is so extremely self-centered, that she believes that if something offends her it will absolutely offend someone else. Who made your emotional reactions the benchmark for what half the world should be beholden and compared to?

[Zealot]

Mean Maori meeaaann.
lol


I hope that this idiot realises that the Maoris are the indigenous people and culture of New Zealand. Notice how she views displays of Maori culture to be an example of a "grotesque mark of multicultural worship" but says nothing of the foreign culture of New Zealand's white settler community. But like all good racists, such consistency is not to be expected.

Her hypocrisy also shows up her white supremacism. According to her it is "grotesque" that Maoris practice their culture in New Zealand but I doubt she would call Danes practising their culture in Denmark to be "grotesque".

You're right and I don't even know if it would be correct to label this as "multiculturalism" since even white New Zealanders have absorbed a large part of Maori culture, to the extent that my white friends can probably do a better haka than I can :lol:

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

And aren't Danish a dog race ? Lol kidding

Nope, it's pastry. ;)1

[Luís Henrique]

grotesque

Now all those people publicly claiming to be cuckolds, that's grotesque...

http://im.r7.com/outros/files//2C92/94A3/296A/FFB3/0129/6BA9/57BA/0343/T10g.jpg

But I still expect diplomats from civilised countries such as Brazil or Peru to keep a straight face if they are greeted by such demonstrations by the natives of the savage North.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

You're right and I don't even know if it would be correct to label this as "multiculturalism" since even white New Zealanders have absorbed a large part of Maori culture, to the extent that my white friends can probably do a better haka than I can :lol:

Kudos! That's a really nice thing.

Luís Henrique

[RHIZOMES]

Kudos! That's a really nice thing.

Luís Henrique

Yeah but according to Beeth, you can't recognise other cultures and strive for economic equality at the same time~!!

White people caring about any minority culture that isn't European in origin = counter-revolutionary.

[Regicollis]

I am deeply offended by the uncivilised, barbaric and tribalistic statements of Krarup. By making moronic statements like this she is giving all Danes a bad name. It is extremely rude to make remarks like that about your hosts.

Krarup is a good example of the negative influences one can get from a toxic upbringing. The Krarup family is the closest thing Denmark has to a dynasty of far-right Christian lunacy. Her father Søren who until recently was a prominent MP for the DPP is known for believing the common right-wing conspiracy theory about Muslims taking over the west, for claiming that a ban on hitting children is infringing on parental rights, that Islam is a totalitarian ideology "like communism and nazism" and that refugees with PTSD is just simulating. Her sister Kathrine Winkel Holm has made herself noted as abusing her position as a board member of the Danish broadcasting service to intimidate a journalist for exposing a far-right anti-Islamic conspiracy theorist as just that in a critical interview. Her first cousin Jesper Langballe was also a notable MP for the DPP and makes the same conspiratorical claims as the rest of the gang.

[#FF0000]

Are we going to defend all sorts of cultural quirks just because they do a good job trolling racists?

lol Beeth saying "we" as if he's a communist