Southern/Texas rap vs the Coasts....

[RadioRaheem84]

I cannot believe how lame the music is out here in California as far as hip hop. With the exception of Kendrick Lamar, I think LA rap is whack. Sorry to go further but East Coast rap is too.

What is with this desire for pretentious and utterly pompous rappers like Nas rapping that people find so damn meaningful? He goes from rapping about the lost kingdoms of Africa to his being the next Don king of the world...get outta here with that. :rolleyes:

I would prefer a rapper who can paint a realyl vivid picture of him doing a simple task as going into the store and picking up some Sprite to make some drank. I would prefer Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae the Truth, Three Six Mafia and Eight Ball and MJG that tend to really promote this "hustla" style of music.

I was listening to 25 Lighters on My Dresser by Lil Keke and found the lyrics to be amazing.

There is something about the multiple uses of slang, the vivid painting of the hustler life and the real harsh gangster elements of their stories that just grip me more than some bougie faux hardcore rap from the East Coast. The whole trying look hard in the Timbaland boots and North face jacket while rapping about beating someone up or reppin' Brooklyn just seems as played out as their continuous old school repetitive beats that died out in the 90s.

Seriously who listens to coastal rap anyways? Most rappers are incorporating that Southern 'crunk' or Houston style in to their beats; Swimming Pools, ASAP Rocky, French Montana's Don't Stop, Drake, Kanye's Mercy, etc.

[VDS]

Honestly, outside of a few acts like Atmosphere, Aesop Rock (not to be confused with that dickwad ASAP Rocky) and a few others, I've almost completely given up on listening to hip-hop on a consistent basis.

And as far as Nas. Agreed, then again, I've never been a fan of his like most hip-hop heads.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Purple drank.


Big moe lives forever.

[Total]

I hate to tell you all, but there are hiphop artists outside the states too.. ;)1

But seriously, how come when people start debating hiphop they mostly focus on the US..?

There are a lot of different styles of hiphop/rap out there. I can understand that people hate what i call mtv rap, commercial, capitalist, populist bullshit, but that aint all there is. It is what the big record labels want to feed you, cause there's more money to be made from glorifying 'bling and money' than lyrics that oppose that.

I find it kinda hard these days to find some hiphop i can relate to, but there are some artists out there. At the moment I'm listening to a lot of uk hiphop. Sure, there are bullshit topics there as well and i really don't like the grime scene, but the hiphop seems to be a bit more down to earth.

Try some songs by; Lowkey, Akala, Logic, Peoples Army.. No acting tuff there (maybe skip akala's earlier work)

In the Netherlands dutch hiphop has got a place in the mainstream now, a lot of artists are on tv shows etc. A lot of these people either aim for the hitlists with popsongs, others are pretending to gangsters in the american way. These two groups get the most attention here, because it makes money and in case of the wannabe gangsters, it's the perfect way to bash hiphop (from a talkshow perspective). So by looking at the surface i could say dutch hiphop is worthless.

There are some dope rappers though, talking about everyday stuff, stating some political views etc. You have to search for them though, you won't see their clip on the tv, you won't hear them on the radio, but they are there and usually have a solid fan base.

I think the same could go for the US hiphop, there are two sides of the medallion (three if you count the edge)

Hiphop both has become mainstream AND stayed underground, what will be easier to find? And where do you want to look?

[#FF0000]

There are a lot of different styles of hiphop/rap out there. I can understand that people hate what i call mtv rap, commercial, capitalist, populist bullshit, but that aint all there is. It is what the big record labels want to feed you, cause there's more money to be made from glorifying 'bling and money' than lyrics that oppose that.

I think they make a lot of money from that sort of stuff as well as "conscious" hip hop, though. It's just easier to do, I think, when there's a clear divide between the two. Easier to brand an artist that way.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I hate to tell you all, but there are hiphop artists outside the states too.. ;)1

But seriously, how come when people start debating hiphop they mostly focus on the US..?

There are a lot of different styles of hiphop/rap out there. I can understand that people hate what i call mtv rap, commercial, capitalist, populist bullshit, but that aint all there is. It is what the big record labels want to feed you, cause there's more money to be made from glorifying 'bling and money' than lyrics that oppose that.



I see your about reel hip hop from the streets

[Yuppie Grinder]

I love all sorts of hip hop except for super backpacky or preachy stuff, but I mostly listen to gangsta rap from the south and the west coast. West Coast Hip Hop is pretty cool right now, Lil B and Black Hippy are holding it down.

[Crixus]

I listened to this sort of rap in my youth but have come to see it as an expression of some of the worst opinions to be found within poor black communities. Specifically the glorification of violence and misogyny. It's one thing to 'report' on conditions in poor areas and another to openly advocate violence and misogyny. It's less intense than the gangster rap of the 1990's but it's all still adding to the problem of culture creation rather than doing something to change the culture I'm speaking of. If a white 'punk rock' band had the same sort of lyrics what would the reaction be? GG Allin perhaps? I know this ends up sounding 'prude' or PC but it's all rather shifty. Maybe this is my age. Maybe I've 'grown out of it'.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I really like older west coast rap, like G-funk. I don't really like east coast rap at all, though.

Someone I worked with got me into southern rap, though, specifically stuff from Memphis and Houston...er, I'm sorry, "Screwston". :sleep: My favorite individual from that whole milieu was definitely Pimp C. It's funny because my friend is a huge jock who still holds a bunch of records at my old high school in multiple events, and also a huge nerd who has an encyclopedic knowledge of Lord of the Rings and Star Wars (strange combination, I know), and is also pasty white, but listens to the grimiest southern rap I've ever heard.

[Comrade Nasser]

I cannot believe how lame the music is out here in California as far as hip hop. With the exception of Kendrick Lamar, I think LA rap is whack. Sorry to go further but East Coast rap is too.

What is with this desire for pretentious and utterly pompous rappers like Nas rapping that people find so damn meaningful? He goes from rapping about the lost kingdoms of Africa to his being the next Don king of the world...get outta here with that. :rolleyes:

I would prefer a rapper who can paint a realyl vivid picture of him doing a simple task as going into the store and picking up some Sprite to make some drank. I would prefer Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae the Truth, Three Six Mafia and Eight Ball and MJG that tend to really promote this "hustla" style of music.

I was listening to 25 Lighters on My Dresser by Lil Keke and found the lyrics to be amazing.

There is something about the multiple uses of slang, the vivid painting of the hustler life and the real harsh gangster elements of their stories that just grip me more than some bougie faux hardcore rap from the East Coast. The whole trying look hard in the Timbaland boots and North face jacket while rapping about beating someone up or reppin' Brooklyn just seems as played out as their continuous old school repetitive beats that died out in the 90s.

Seriously who listens to coastal rap anyways? Most rappers are incorporating that Southern 'crunk' or Houston style in to their beats; Swimming Pools, ASAP Rocky, French Montana's Don't Stop, Drake, Kanye's Mercy, etc.

Music is like candy. You have to take off the wrapper to enjoy it.

[Comrade Nasser]

Then again, not all rap is bad. The old stuff is good. But this new age hip-hoppity crap sucks and is like kryptonite to my ears :(

[#FF0000]

Then again, not all rap is bad. The old stuff is good. But this new age hip-hoppity crap sucks and is like kryptonite to my ears :(

without using google name three "new" rappers

[Yuppie Grinder]

Then again, not all rap is bad. The old stuff is good. But this new age hip-hoppity crap sucks and is like kryptonite to my ears :(

Nobody who says things like this knows shit about hip hop. Hip Hop is alive and well and great records are released all the time.

[Total]

I see your about reel hip hop from the streets

Nah, don't know where you've seen that.. I usually hate hiphop claiming 'the streets'

I like hiphop lyrics I can relate to, don't care about a specific type that much, different moods, different tunes. And since hiphop originated from samples I wouldn't know what 'reel' hiphop is, I do know what I like..

[Yuppie Grinder]

Nah, don't know where you've seen that.. I usually hate hiphop claiming 'the streets'

I like hiphop lyrics I can relate to, don't care about a specific type that much, different moods, different tunes. And since hiphop originated from samples I wouldn't know what 'reel' hiphop is, I do know what I like..

oh, is sample based music not reel?
you're not helping your argument.

[Total]

oh, is sample based music not reel?
you're not helping your argument.

Then let my try to clear it up a bit..

What I mean by hiphop originated from samples is not that I find the use of a sample uncreative, unreel or something like that.
What i tried to say was that, since hiphop originated from all different kinds of samples from numberous genres, it had different sounds to begin with. You could hear soul, jazz, funk etc all sampeled into hiphop.

If you take from different genres and styles, you'll get differend tunes, arrangements, instruments, styles etc

So when there are different, tunes, instruments, etc used you'll get different styles of hiphop out of it.
The point I made about not knowing what real hiphop is supposed to mean comes from this.

Is real hiphop only the hiphop from the beginning? I would say not. Is hiphop only treal if it's based on jazz? I don't think so. And this could go on a while.
Is composing your own tunes than 'unreal', again no, i don't think so.

Hiphop has come a long way since the early days and has evolved in different directions. I still don't know what real hiphop is supposed to be like, i know how i like it and how i don't.

When you build houses with different color blocks, would you state that for instance only the black house is 'real'? Why not the green one, or the purple? Because you don't like the color it's unreal? I think the same goes for hiphop and any other kind of sample ussage. You might not like the colour/sound, but does that make it unreal?

As i said, hiphop came a long way (and lets remember its more than just the music) and has a lot of 'sub-styles', east- westcoast for instance, but you also have; gangster rap, concious rap, acoustic rap, relirap, horrorcore etc etc, same with the colour of the houses, i might not like it but that doesn't mean i can deny it's a house (or a form of hiphop).

So, i still wouldn't know what real hiphop supposedly is.
Maybe enlighten me..?

[one10]

I have an appreciation for the art of rap and the hip-hop culture, but usually have trouble accepting the glorification of money and material objects that plagues the genre.

The Roots are probably my favorite hip-hop act.

[Ocean Seal]

East Coast rap is the shit, the west kind of fell off IMO Kendrick is overrated. The Classic West Coast stuff is my shit though. I like Southern rap too, especially trap stuff.

[VDS]

East Coast rap is the shit, the west kind of fell off IMO Kendrick is overrated. The Classic West Coast stuff is my shit though. I like Southern rap too, especially trap stuff.

The bold text a thousand times. Maybe I've become too much of a cynic or hip hop elitist over the years, but I care for MOST rap/hip-hop music coming out now a days. While Kendrick is with a doubt a good MC, his delivery leaves a lot to be desired and I don't feel the heart or soul of his music. It's all lyrics, no heart and soul. IMO. I may have under simplified my feelings, but it's the gist of it.

[ToldYouSo]

I like old school east coast hip-hop but I like 80s and 90s gangster rap better in the west coast.

[∞]

Honestly, outside of a few acts like Atmosphere, Aesop Rock (not to be confused with that dickwad ASAP Rocky) and a few others, I've almost completely given up on listening to hip-hop on a consistent basis.

Loosen up that backpack...



East Coast rap is the shit, the west kind of fell off IMO Kendrick is overrated. The Classic West Coast stuff is my shit though. I like Southern rap too, especially trap stuff.

No hes not imo. What hes done with rhyme schemes and story-telling is more than solid. If anyone deserves the fame and recognition they recieve it is Kendrick. But I wanna know why you think so.


What you motherfuckers fail to realize is that Hip Hop is not geographical anymore. This is the internet era and even someone like me who grew up in a G-Funk Mecca had access to Eastcoast Artists (which is a given) but also Project Pat, Kingpin Skinnypimp, Triple 6 Mafia, Screwed Up Clique, Soulja Slim, Lord Infamous, and many others.
As the weird dark but not emo kid these artists help me grow up because their beats and aesthetic was my niche so to speak. Now people can go onto the internet and listen to music for hours, write some rhymes , make a song or beat thats uniquely them rather than what coast they are from.

I am really enjoying the emergence of 666TR1LL rappers such as Raider Klan, Lil Ugly Mane, and Antwon.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Loosen up that backpack...




No hes not imo. What hes done with rhyme schemes and story-telling is more than solid. If anyone deserves the fame and recognition they recieve it is Kendrick. But I wanna know why you think so.


What you motherfuckers fail to realize is that Hip Hop is not geographical anymore. This is the internet era and even someone like me who grew up in a G-Funk Mecca had access to Eastcoast Artists (which is a given) but also Project Pat, Kingpin Skinnypimp, Triple 6 Mafia, Screwed Up Clique, Soulja Slim, Lord Infamous, and many others.
As the weird dark but not emo kid these artists help me grow up because their beats and aesthetic was my niche so to speak. Now people can go onto the internet and listen to music for hours, write some rhymes , make a song or beat thats uniquely them rather than what coast they are from.

I am really enjoying the emergence of 666TR1LL rappers such as Raider Klan, Lil Ugly Mane, and Antwon.
you and i have really similar taste in hip hop

[Fawkes]

Loosen up that backpack...




No hes not imo. What hes done with rhyme schemes and story-telling is more than solid. If anyone deserves the fame and recognition they recieve it is Kendrick. But I wanna know why you think so.


What you motherfuckers fail to realize is that Hip Hop is not geographical anymore. This is the internet era and even someone like me who grew up in a G-Funk Mecca had access to Eastcoast Artists (which is a given) but also Project Pat, Kingpin Skinnypimp, Triple 6 Mafia, Screwed Up Clique, Soulja Slim, Lord Infamous, and many others.
As the weird dark but not emo kid these artists help me grow up because their beats and aesthetic was my niche so to speak. Now people can go onto the internet and listen to music for hours, write some rhymes , make a song or beat thats uniquely them rather than what coast they are from.

I am really enjoying the emergence of 666TR1LL rappers such as Raider Klan, Lil Ugly Mane, and Antwon.

Pretty much spot on. I mean, there are still regional sub-genres like New Orleans bounce and Baltimore club, but there's no longer a really distinct New York or L.A. or Midwest sound, they all kinda blend together.