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CrveniTalas
4th April 2013, 10:32
I am adding here an article that I wrote for my blog. I did not feel the need to go so deep into the theory and nature of the EU because I really feel that the numbers speak for themselves. If you want the sources of the data, you will have to go on my website. I hope that it is of use for comrades for talking with people about the 'bread and butter' issues of why the left-wing does not see the EU as a 'popular creation.'

European (Dis)union?

"According to a study by Germany's Federal Statistics Agency, Swedish private sector workers earn the highest wages in the European Union being paid €41.90 per hour on average. The next highest wages are earned by the Belgians (€40.40), the Danes (€39,50), the French (€34.90) and the Luxembourgers (€34.40). Other highly paid workers are the Germans, the Dutch, the Austrians and the Finns. At the very bottom of the list are the Bulgarian workers, who make only €3.70 per hour. Also close to the bottom are the Romanians (€4.50), the Lithuanians (€5.80), the Latvians (€6.20) and the Poles (€7.20).

These figures strikingly show the real divide that exists in the standard of living for European workers. In what sense can we talk about a “united Europe” when the average Swede earns more than ten times as much as the average Bulgarian?!

Let us look at the average prices of certain basic goods.

In Sweden, the average retail price of one liter of unleaded fuel on 3 April 2013 was €1.75. In Germany it was €1.63, while in Poland it cost €1.34 and in Bulgaria €1.35. Thus, a Swede pays only 1.3 times as much for fuel as a Bulgarian while earning 11 times as much per hour! In November 2012, the average household in Belgium paid €0.0582 per kWh of natural gas consumed while the average household in Bulgaria paid €0.0463. The average household in Portugal paid more for a Kilowatt-hour than an average British or French one.

In June 2011, 1000g of wheat flour cost €0.61 in Bulgaria and €0.80 in Romania compared to €1.03 in Austria (still less than twice as much as in Bulgaria). A box of Cornflakes cost €5.11 in Slovenia, but €3.13 in the Netherlands! In the same period, 1000g of fresh (not frozen) minced 100% beef cost €4.09 in Romania and €4.54 in the Netherlands. One liter of pasteurized milk cost €0.94 in Bulgaria and €1.03 in Romania, but only €0.82 in the United Kingdom and €0.65 in the Netherlands! The reason for this is because most countries in Western Europe have policies in place to protect their farmers through subsidies while forbidding governments in less developed Eastern Europe from doing the same.

The European Union is in its greatest crisis since its formation. Unemployment is at a record high of 12% since the Euro currency was introduced in 1999 (still there are differences between countries, for example it was just 5.4% in Germany but 26.3% in Spain in February 2013). Two Europes exist: one in the north and west, the other in the south and east. One is developed and stable, the other is underdeveloped and witnessing ever growing unrest. One dictates policies, the other stands at the mercy of the former’s will. Working people throughout Europe, especially in the ‘other’ Europe are rightfully starting to question the wisdom of remaining in a union in which they are at a clearly disadvantageous position.

The policies, social, economic and political, made by the European Union and its institutions are undemocratic. They reflect the interests of the bankers in Berlin and the bureaucrats in Brussels. It is against this sort of union that working people must stand up!"

Visit Commentariopolitica for other articles as well! Cheers!

Blake's Baby
4th April 2013, 16:59
Can you provide a link to your data? I think the comrades in Sweden would be surprised to learn that they earn €41.90 per hour, which according to my calculation is $53.85US or £35.41GB.

I've tried going to your website, my search engine can't find it.

CrveniTalas
4th April 2013, 18:51
I tried to attach a link but couldn't because I am a new user. The website is commentariopolitica.com. The source I used was a Bosnian website which got its information from a Turkish news agency. This figures are from Germany's official statistics agency, Statisches Bundesamt. You can type in Swedish wages 41.90 in google and you will find different sites. I believe that the figures are reliable. However, please note the wage figures do not take into account taxes that workers pay in the individual countries.

Either way you turn it the figures are deeply revealing.

I believe that comrades must take into account differences in the standard of living, wages and prices of goods and realize that conditions for the struggle are definitely not the same in the UK as they are in Greece, for example. What this means is we have to learn about the conditions in one country and those in another and share information and experiences instead of trying to put in place ready-made, dogmatic solutions in every country and every occasion. This is a real issue in the left-wing movement.

Blake's Baby
5th April 2013, 12:13
I tried to attach a link but couldn't because I am a new user. The website is commentariopolitica.com. The source I used was a Bosnian website which got its information from a Turkish news agency. This figures are from Germany's official statistics agency, Statisches Bundesamt. You can type in Swedish wages 41.90 in google and you will find different sites. I believe that the figures are reliable...

I understand you can't post links - I'd forgotten that you'd have a restriction as a new poster. I will look at your site, thanks for posting the address. But I did go to the German Federal Statistical Office and couldn't find any such data as you're refering to.


... However, please note the wage figures do not take into account taxes that workers pay in the individual countries...

So it may be the case that Swedish workers are paid €41.90 an hour, but pay back 39.90 in taxes, and Bulgarian workers are paid €3.70, but only pay 70c in taxes, in which case the 'take home' for Swedes would be €2 and for Bulgarians would be €3, meaning Bulgarians would be more highly paid. This isn't the caase, but if it were, there'd be no way to tell from the way you've presented the figures.


...Either way you turn it the figures are deeply revealing...

Not if they're wrong, or even right but misleading.

Looking here - http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Wages_and_labour_costs - though it does demonstrate that there are indeed big wage differentials across Europe (gross wages are 12 times higher in Luxemburg than Romania as the most extreme example) if 'parity purchasing power' is taken into account the differential changes to 5:1.

This is still very high, of course. But much less high than you're claiming.


...I believe that comrades must take into account differences in the standard of living, wages and prices of goods and realize that conditions for the struggle are definitely not the same in the UK as they are in Greece, for example. What this means is we have to learn about the conditions in one country and those in another and share information and experiences instead of trying to put in place ready-made, dogmatic solutions in every country and every occasion. This is a real issue in the left-wing movement.

I believe that the working class needs to struggle. Who is 'putting into place' anything? A handful of self-identified 'leftists' are not manipulating the situation. We have almost zero impact on what is (or isn't) happening. Anyone saying 'look what is being done in Greece, we must replicate that in the UK' is I agree deluded. But I don't really think anyone is saying that, are they?

Luís Henrique
5th April 2013, 13:38
"According to a study by Germany's Federal Statistics Agency, Swedish private sector workers earn the highest wages in the European Union being paid €41.90 per hour on average. The next highest wages are earned by the Belgians (€40.40), the Danes (€39,50), the French (€34.90) and the Luxembourgers (€34.40). Other highly paid workers are the Germans, the Dutch, the Austrians and the Finns. At the very bottom of the list are the Bulgarian workers, who make only €3.70 per hour. Also close to the bottom are the Romanians (€4.50), the Lithuanians (€5.80), the Latvians (€6.20) and the Poles (€7.20).

These figures strikingly show the real divide that exists in the standard of living for European workers. In what sense can we talk about a “united Europe” when the average Swede earns more than ten times as much as the average Bulgarian?!

How would the average wages of Californian workers compare to those of Mississipian or Dakotan workers? Or the average wage of paulista workers to those of maranhense workers?

I suppose such kind of disparity is related to the continental size of entities such as the European Union, the United States, or the Federative Republic of Brazil.

What sure makes a difference is that the US or Brazil have unified economic policies, while the EU has not - or, what is worse, simultaneously tries to have it and to have it not...

Luís Henrique

CrveniTalas
7th April 2013, 11:36
Blake, the numbers are rigth, there are links to other sites that quote the exact same agency and give the same numbers. I do not know if you understand German, but the content that is available on one website in one language may not be available in another. The fact of the matter is that Swedish workers do earn over 10 times as much as Bulgarian workers but the differences in consumer prices quite simply do not reflect this difference. This is the entire point of the article.

Your attempt at polemicizing is very lame, I have to say. Look at the figures and understand the big picture: that the workers in northern and western European countries are much better off than the workers in southern and eastern European countries. This is common sense that every person in Europe knows and understands. What I have done is put in the figures and data and explained why this is the case. Why are you trying to turn this into some kind of an argument when the purpose of me putting this article on here was to give comrades some useful statistics that they can use to explain to others that the EU is a capitalist creation that essentially punishes the working people in the poorer countries?

Luís Henrique, I am not comparing here the differences and similarities between the US and Brazil and the EU. This is a study of the wages and consumer prices in the EU and the differences between the countries. What these numbers clearly show us is that generalizing about 'European workers' is not useful at all.