Homophobes

[Moskitto]

Homophobes are mindless creatures who do not realise that they support dictatorship.

The homophobe will argue his case for having a higher age of consent for homosexuals using the age old reasoning that it is purely choice. They continue this reasoning using the "no evidence to show it isn't" route, or argueing on the basis that "no gene has been found."

The next thing we can show is that homosexual behavior does not harm anyone else.

Homophobes may try and argue that it does, Homophobes cannot argue that it causes direct harm though. They can only say "It is the narrow end of a wedge to legalising paedophillia."

Paedophillia and homosexuality are unrelated. Paedophillia is the sexual obsession with children, The children do not have a choice in the matter. Homosexuals on the other hand are consenting.

Homophobes can then claim that homosexuals only "claim" that the other partner is consenting. Do they then argue that it is only one partner who is consenting in a heterosexual relationship?

As homosexual behavior does not conceivably harm other persons then we can move on the homophobes reasoning to a new level.

Politics

While a homophobe claims that he's supporting democracy. The reasoning he uses for the oppression of homosexuals is easily transplanted into politics.

Do homophobes support different suffrage ages for different party supporters?

Yes.

Homophobes support a higher legal age for activities which are pure choice and can have adverse effects on others.

Homophobes claim that some people who change their sexuality 5 times in their lives is proof that homosexuals choose their lifestyle. Some politicians likewise change which party they are a member of, Indeed voters change which parties they vote for. Therefore surely political affiliations must be a choice.

We now have 1 of the factors for something that must be oppressed by homophobes.

The second factor is easier to desipher. Homophobes claim that homosexual behavior does harm. They don't show how it can do harm. Likewise voting for a certain political party can do harm. See Hitlers rise to power in 1933 as an example of how voting can cause the deaths of 23 million jews, slavs, gypsies, socialists and the homophobes deep enemies in history's most recorded genocide.

Voting causes great suffering, far greater than sexuality can. Voting is also far more of a choice than sexuality is.

Homophobes should be given their way, we should have different suffrage ages for different voters, lets say communists and fascists can't vote until they're 21 but conservatives and liberals can vote when they're 18? Of course nothing will go wrong if you vote labour so voting labour will have a minimum age of 16.

Now of course true homophobes want homosexuality to be illegal. So let's do precisely the same thing with politics.

Hello Homophobes, Welcome to the One Party State.

[jose lopez]

usually people says they are not racists, but the problably the most common racism is homophobia, its increible how many people young or old are homophobe.... lets get realistit here...we are free to choose over our bodys...????yes so fuck off homophobes......

[Reuben]

Right on Moskitto!

[Zippy]

On a side note a young friend of mine, who is a transvstite, got beat up and put in hospital. So when i find the fuckers who did it you'll have a few less homophobes in this world.

Note : i wouldnt really kill them ... just chop their genitals off.

Zippy. :)

[CommieBastard]

"an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

so i guess a dick for a dick makes the whole world infertile...

[Zippy]

Quote: from CommieBastard on 4:18 pm on Dec. 8, 2001
... i guess a dick for a dick makes the whole world infertile.
They can adopt. ;)

Zippy.

[Nickademus]

unfortunately homophibia still exists in many systems around the world. i'll give you an example. Criminal law in Canada, Australia, US and (i think) Britain have a codified defence in the criminal law called the provocation defence. This defence allows people to murder ofther people if they have been provoked so as to lose self-control and as a result they will only be charged with manslaughter (which has less of a sentence). unfortunately the criminal legal system allows for the 'homosexual panic' or 'homosexual advance' defence. essentially this defence is used when heterosexual men claim they lost self-control because a homosexual man hit on them. it bull shit.

anyway that's jsut a bit of info for you

[Rob]

right on!! I agree entirely, but I do feel the necessity to point out that Fidel is a homophobe. As was Stalin, but everyone hates him anyway.

[RedCeltic]

I've been watching this thread with interest to see if the most common reaction would surface again when we talk about homosexuals. Members who have been on this board for awhile may remember some of the reactions that surfaced when the issue of gay rights was brought up. Being homophobic, is not only culturally acceptable, but also expected by the male population. And has surfaced on this board every time we have brought the subject up.

I think it's great that not one person has seen the need to say something like, " I personally think homosexuality is immoral, disgusting, they are nothing but sexual deviants... etc... but... hey... let them do what they want... just stay away from me..." If you feel the need to express yourself in such a manner, your a homophobic and don't even realize it...

After all... no one here cares what your sexual orientation is... your only words on a computer monitor to everyone else.

Anyway... you've impressed me people...maybe there's hope for this world after all. :)


(Edited by RedCeltic at 11:14 pm on Dec. 8, 2001)

[Che Jexster]

In my french class a couple weeks ago we were talking about Ritalin and whether or not it's being perscribed too much. Anyway the teacher asked what ADD was similar to (the answer being depression, for which Prozac is perscribed) and someone out of nowhere said "homosexuality, because you're born with it and it's not something you can help and it's like a disease". This person doesn't consider themselves a homophobe as they see it as a "affliction" that some have to "suffer through".
I just thought that was a good example of what Red Celtic was talking about.

[Guest1]

I don't see a reason for anyone to be homophobic. I'm one of those people who doesn't believe in punishing victimless crimes, and that's what it is. Damn conservatives can go to hell.

[RedCeltic]

I'm one of those people who doesn't believe in punishing victimless crimes

Your heart's in the right place, but, how is it a crime to love someone of the same sex? A sin maybe, if you believe in all that... however it's not a crime to be a homosexual.

Unless... you hapen to live in a place in the Southern United States, like say Virginia Beach, Virginia where sodomy is agaist the law. (Mostly because Pat Robertson runs the town. )

It shouldn't be viewed as a crime, nor a disease, nor even an 'alternitve lifestyle' it's simply how some people are, and that's all.

[Capitalist]

I agree - Pat Robertson is a fucking freak.

He gives Republicans a bad name.

He is a radical of the right. Religion does not belong in Government.

[Rob]

so, wait Capitalist, why do you support a party that's against same-sex marriage if you're against homophobia?

[gogo gomez]

oh moskitto, where do you get all this information? are you at all baffled by your own bull shit? if i use the word "faggot" am i meaning homosexual. i dont use that word but someone told me a joke so i had to use the word,
what do faggot horses eat? HAAAAYYY!
then after i said it i felt conviction only to a certain extent; that i didnt want to be known as a "hater" but then i laughed to myself and thought "i swallow" (oops but it is a private sexual freakness of minE) so then what am i? i am still me a woman. so why put a lable on me base on sexual preference. i just dont understand why we cannot include the homosexuals as people and why we have to have a specials section for them based on sexual activity? i try to love everyone no matter what. ( i apologize if i offended any one with my joke) but im not kidding about my little worthless feelings.

[RedCeltic]

I think Capitalist is saying that he doesn't support the radical right that have recently pulled the GOP farther right. Not all Repubicans are like Robertson, and G.W. and not all like them. Believe it or not, there are some moderately progressives among that party. At least that's what they call them.. "Rockerfeller Republicans" of the North East.

[Guest1]

I don't view it as a crime, that's what my point was. "victimless crime" refers to the majority viewing it as a crime, despite it being victimless. I say it's neither a crime nor does it harm, so don't punish it. I was a bit unclear about that.

It should read:

"I don't believe in victimless crimes."

That's better.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Che y Marijuana on 5:20 am on Dec. 11, 2001
I don't view it as a crime, that's what my point was. "victimless crime" refers to the majority viewing it as a crime, despite it being victimless. I say it's neither a crime nor does it harm, so don't punish it. I was a bit unclear about that.

It should read:

"I don't believe in victimless crimes."

That's better.
i think the problem is in the words you choose. i think i understand what you are saying but in fact because it is a crime it does have a victim, but the victim truly are homoesxuals who are affected adversly because of the discrimination. but i see your point, its consentual and therefore it shouldn't be a crime.

[Elfinity]

<<usually people says they are not racists, but the problably the most common racism is homophobia, its increible how many people young or old are homophobe.... lets get realistit here...we are free to choose over our bodys...????>>

First of all, Hi Im new:-)

Secondly I couldnt go past this comment I pasted above. Not because I disagree but because it made me think about something I encounter a lot lately. I've noticed than there are many people out there who vehemently condemn racism (as they should) but then will turn around and actively bash homosexuals and lesbians. It appears that hating gay people is still a considered a 'respectable' prejudice and therefore the general public seems to think it is appropriate to openly harrass and condemn homosexuals the way they have certain races in the past.
I dont think this will ever change until society makes it plain that homophobia is just as bad as racism, and that such discrimination, whether popular or not, is completely unnacceptable for fair-minded human beings.

Just my thoughts:-)

[Nickademus]

first of all, welcome to the board elfinity

second of all i think a large part of the problem is that homosexuality is still considered a disease by many many many many countries and people. until people realize homosexuality is not a choice things won't change.

[Elfinity]

<<first of all, welcome to the board elfinity

second of all i think a large part of the problem is that homosexuality is still considered a disease by many many many many countries and people. until people realize homosexuality is not a choice things won't change>>

Thanks for the welcome:-)

And about homosexuality and choice....

I think this is a very complicated aspect of the issue. To me it seems that sexuality is a very large, very grey area, often without absolutes. And I think as a result we we always have problems with sexuality being viewed as a choice on some levels. In my opinion this is because sexuality isnt plainly divided into homsexuality and heterosexuality as many people think. Not only are there vast amounts of people who identify as bisexual, but also people identifying as either homosexual or heterosexual while having heterosexual or homosexual experiences once or twice in their lifetime. As a result of such sexual diversity I think that we have to focus less on the aspect of supposed 'choice', because there will be people who will always see evidence to support the 'choice' argument, and address instead the apropriatness of discrimination based on sexual 'choices'.
We have got to dispell the myths, such as those claiming all gay men are child abusers and/or will sexually attack and unsuspecting heterosexual. And I think we've got to make it clear (somehow) that sexual choices between consenting adults, choice or not, are not grounds for discrimination.
I think the key is learning to accept differences simply for what they are, while dispelling the myths, and realising that what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms is no-ones business but their own.

[Nickademus]

i agree elfinity that's why i think educating people about how false these myths truly are

[Moskitto]

someone I know said that they thought that deep down, everyone is bisexual. It's just circumstances that make them "homosexual" or "hetrosexual."

[libereco]

i for one don't really care if homosexuality is a choice or not......it doesn't make any difference to me.

anyone can do whatever he or she wishes to in their sex life, as long as you don't harm anyone or do something against the consent of the partner.

Hell if two heterosexual males chose to have sex just to make a point, they would still have the same right to do so.

(Edited by libereco at 9:11 pm on Dec. 11, 2001)

[booga]

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:49 pm on Dec. 11, 2001
someone I know said that they thought that deep down, everyone is bisexual. It's just circumstances that make them "homosexual" or "hetrosexual."


aye yia yia, you know i am not homophobic, i know as a human being i am quite sexual in nature but my instincts also give my bounderies and a sense of what is "right" and "wrong" for me and those around me (my clan,tribe,family whatever you want to call it).

i am so upset that society wants to dictate our sexuality, f*ck that! i dont have many hang-ups and i feel comfortable discussing sex with just about anyone because i feel its important to talk about it. my problem is this: young people have alot to deal with these days and society is putting more pressure each day, truthfully the coming out of the closet for homosexuals is not too good of a thing if you ask me. now we have presented "homosexuality" as an option for people so then everyone gets curious or confused. i mean so what if you had a sexual experience with someone of the same sex, alot of people do because they are discovering their sexuality but if you wait until you are of an age to be emotionally mature for sex then i believe it works it self out. people dont realize how powerful sex is. another thing if you have urges there is something called "(well it sounds funny so i wont say it but it starts with an "m" :) ) man i could rant excessively on bisexual, homo, sex whatever.......

[MJM]

Quote-
someone I know said that they thought that deep down, everyone is bisexual. It's just circumstances that make them "homosexual" or "hetrosexual."

Moskitto I agree with that. I think part of the problem is that most men may have only slight homosexual ideas or tendencies and they think they're a full on queer. This leads them to denial and a hatred of what they fear they are.

[Nickademus]

actually we discussed this in one of our classes. originally sexual acts were considered homosexual, heterosexual on a case by case basis but now people are homosexual bisexual etc. that is truly another large part of the problem.