let's talk about game of thrones

[Rafiq]

whad'yall think of the season 3 premiere?

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[Os Cangaceiros]

I haven't even seen season 2 yet. :(

[Il Medico]

Random thoughts about the episode (Warning spoilers ahead):

"God I love Tyrion."
"Ceresi was better in Dredd, she doesn't have any real menace in this show."
"Fuck yeah, Davos isn't dead!"
"Fuck yeah, Selmy is back!"
"I still don't really care about Jon Snow."
"The giants in Game of Thrones kinda look like bigger uglier versions LotR Dwarfs."
"The King in the North kinda looks like Snape."
"Damn it Tywin. How on earth could you piss away all the good will you earned last season with Arya in one scene? Is it really that hard for you to be a decent human being around Tyrion?"
"That slaver is such a dick."
"How did Joffery manage to make through an episode without being a massive dick? Is he trying to impress Anne Boleyn or something?"
"Davos, what are you doing you bloody idiot?! Have you learned nothing from Ned Stark? Listen to your cool pirate friend."

[bcbm]

i havent even finished the first season yet, idk its been long enough now since i read the books that i forgot everything that happened, i will give it another go

[Jimmie Higgins]

i havent even finished the first season yet, idk its been long enough now since i read the books that i forgot everything that happened, i will give it another go


I haven't even seen season 2 yet. :(

I haven't read the books, but while I casually enjoyed season one, I didn't really like the show until season two. The climax of season one should have been a clue though - that was bad-ass.

I'd rather just watch this entire season in a bindge once it's all aired, but my partner isn't having that so I guess I'll have to search it out each week.

I was a bit underwhelmed by the first episode of this season - mostly just setting up or re-establishing the storylines. But it was still enjoyable and my partner tells me that this is adapted from one of the better books in the series.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Random thoughts about the episode...Oh yeah, and I pretty much second these observations.

[Red Commissar]

But it was still enjoyable and my partner tells me that this is adapted from one of the better books in the series.

I second your partner's opinion, A Storm of Swords is a good book. I've read all of the Song of Ice and Fire books and Storm of Swords is probably my favorite.

I haven't had a chance to see this episode. I don't have HBO, so I've been watching previous episodes through a combination of my friend (who has the dvds) and the internet.

[Ele'ill]

I haven't finished book 5 yet (i'm about 50 pages away) and I hear that the first few chapters for book 6 are up online on the website. The TV show sucks.

[Rafiq]

I haven't finished book 5 yet (i'm about 50 pages away) and I hear that the first few chapters for book 6 are up online on the website. The TV show sucks.

awww come on. maybe compared to the books, but for a tv show, by itself, no sane person can deny it is excellent.

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[Ele'ill]

no I think it's pretty crappy. I think the acting is terrible, the wardrobe design for the characters is terrible, the violence has been edited out, the whole show is completely flat and unentertaining. It has made me stop reading the books too.

[Il Medico]

no I think it's pretty crappy. I think the acting is terrible, the wardrobe design for the characters is terrible, the violence has been edited out, the whole show is completely flat and unentertaining. It has made me stop reading the books too.
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[bricolage]

no I think it's pretty crappy. I think the acting is terrible, the wardrobe design for the characters is terrible, the violence has been edited out, the whole show is completely flat and unentertaining. It has made me stop reading the books too.
I think the fact that the last two books were completely drawn out and the whole geographically separate but chronologically the same thing really didn't work, would be more likely to stop me reading the books.

the acting is on the whole is surprisingly good and the violence is still there, I don't have much of an opinion on the wardrobe, but I dunno how you could watch something like the blackwater episode and say its 'flat and unentertaining'.

this first episode of season 3 was ok but its the best book they're working with for this one so i'm confident for the rest of it.

[Crixus]

The books flow slow as well as the TV series but I read them all because I was in Alaska in the middle of nowhere for 6 months and had no TV/cable. Great books but just as is the case with the TV show sometimes nothing really happens for a few chapters which is fine because in the long run it's the charterer development that makes you give a crap when something does happen and a whole hell of a lot happens over the next two books. which I think will take up 3 seasons.

[Raúl Duke]

The season premiere was lackluster, but the second episode of this third season shows interesting developments brewing...

Although I feel I would more rather enjoy the books than the show, maybe I should get around and read them.

[Crixus]

She/he who controls the dragons controls the universe. Either Daenerys (the dragons mother) or Bran with his ability to become one with animals will win the kingdom. Thats my prediction. Most everyone else dies anyway.

[Ele'ill]

Is there anyone here who understands how tempting it is to post spoilers in list format in this thread?

[Sasha]

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/horse-jerky-and-sandcamels/Content?oid=9230088

(yes I know I posted that review in every GoT thread so far but it remains one of the best revieuws ever written)

[p0is0n]

i'd like to see that blonde rat king sent to a gulag

[Turinbaar]

The season premiere was lackluster, but the second episode of this third season shows interesting developments brewing...

Although I feel I would more rather enjoy the books than the show, maybe I should get around and read them.

I agree, I was lead to believe at the end last season that there was supposed to be some kind of zombie army imminently on its way to destroy everything, and theres still only vague and singular allusions to it. I guess they have to build it up, but they could give it a bit more kick.

[Il Medico]

I agree, I was lead to believe at the end last season that there was supposed to be some kind of zombie army imminently on its way to destroy everything, and theres still only vague and singular allusions to it. I guess they have to build it up, but they could give it a bit more kick.
The white walkers and their zombie bros fucked the Crows up off screen. However, budget limitation means we'll rarely see stuff like that on screen.

[Crixus]

Is there anyone here who understands how tempting it is to post spoilers in list format in this thread?

A half ass spoiler list
Rob Stark is killed along with his mother and she becomes a zombie. Jamie gets his hand cut off. Joffery is killed. I think he was poisoned if I'm not mistaken. Daenery Targarians brother is still alive. John Snow becomes the head guy at the wall, he kills the redhead wildling woman that he fell in love with. The dwarf Tyrion kills his father Tywin. The dog is killed (the angry huge man dressed in black with a scare on his face). Arya Stark goes across the sea to train as an assassin. Littlefinger pervs off on Sansa Stark and kills her aunt. Bran is some sort of wizzard boy

[bcbm]

The dog is killed (the angry huge man dressed in black with a scare on his face).

nuh uh

[Crixus]

nuh uh
you know i meant scar. although he did die with a scary face.

[bcbm]

no he is still alive it is made pretty clear in feets for crows

and dananneeyrys tagegergysns brother is totes dead too unless u meant jon snow

[Ele'ill]

yeah well

worst tv series ever, boring and flat acting not worth watching and the book series is barely any better Arya dies

[DDR]

yeah well

worst tv series ever, boring and flat acting not worth watching and the book series is barely any better Arya dies

She doesn't die anywhere in the books, as fas as I know.

[Igor]

no he is still alive it is made pretty clear in feets for crows

and dananneeyrys tagegergysns brother is totes dead too unless u meant jon snow

p sure crixus meant her nephew whose ass apparently varys saved during the sack. her brother is dead as all hell but his kid is now technically the one true heir to the mad king instead of dany which might stir some weird shit up

also theres no mean jon snow could be her brother, jon being the mad king's son would be a bit weird. the common fan theory is that he'd be rhaegar's son so dany would be his aunt too, dany had a pretty hefty age difference to her brother

i feel nerdy as shit now though

[Susurrus]

I was really disappointed with the lack of The Bear and the Maiden Fair in the Sansa scene. Ah well, at least we got it later.

[Ele'ill]

john snow rides the third dragon, arya kills her mom (again), werewolves are introduced to the series, George R.R. Martin forgets about Rickon and he never makes another appearance in the series

[RedSonRising]

Westeros has a problem.

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[RedSonRising]

According to people who've read the books (I'm not one of them) the next few episodes are supposed to be crazy.

[Jimmie Higgins]

According to people who've read the books (I'm not one of them) the next few episodes are supposed to be crazy.

The last few episodes have been crazy. I saw the (I guess this warrents a spolier if you haven't seen this season yet) slave-coup coming from the time they introduced that aspect, and my first thought was that Ms. Last Dragon should do pretty much exactly what she did - but it was still a blast to watch it play out.

There may be no purely sympathetic characters, but damn if there are some totally unredeemable characters - hail to the king, baby.

[bcbm]

There may be no purely sympathetic characters,

arya

[Jimmie Higgins]

aryaBeing a kid is a strike against her in my view - kids aren't sympathetic :lol:

[bcbm]

Being a kid is a strike against her in my view - kids aren't sympathetic :lol:


being an assassin in training clears the 'kid' slate in my mind

[Jimmie Higgins]

^LOL, I got spoiled coz I haven't read the books. Though "Needle" (and some of the older men who've inspired her) made me imagine that her story would head in this direction:


Avengers assemble...
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That's probably Hodor in the background


At any rate, yeah your probably right - definately one of the more sympathetic characters - at least consistantly sympathetic.

[Igor]

most consistently sympathetic is hot pie

[Il Medico]

The most consistently sympathetic character, imo, is Tyrion.

[Susurrus]

Pretty much the series in a nutshell:

http://youtu.be/xaxq-CQaCMo?t=2m25s

[bcbm]

The most consistently sympathetic character, imo, is Tyrion.


dont read if u not read up to fourth book
too loyal to his family in the beginning, even though he clearly has charm. as hand he becomes much more sympathetic, his treatment of sansa boosts him higher still and when he wastes his dad and teams with varys he is pretty much the shit

[Ele'ill]

dont read if u not read up to fourth book
too loyal to his family in the beginning, even though he clearly has charm. as hand he becomes much more sympathetic, his treatment of sansa boosts him higher still and when he wastes his dad and teams with varys he is pretty much the shit

the smell of shit filled the room

[Starship Stormtrooper]

Obviously, spoiler, talking about Mari3L's line.

In the end, Tywin did not shit gold :laugh:

Best line ever imo

[Geiseric]

There should be more violence even if its a 45 minute episode imo, i want to see what actually makes the girl characters awesome, namely the capability to giving murder people. That's what i watch this kind of shit for not prostitutes finger banging eachother. The acting overall is alright but there needs to new more tension devices other than changing the background music.

[RedSonRising]

The last few episodes have been crazy. I saw the (I guess this warrents a spolier if you haven't seen this season yet) slave-coup coming from the time they introduced that aspect, and my first thought was that Ms. Last Dragon should do pretty much exactly what she did - but it was still a blast to watch it play out.

There may be no purely sympathetic characters, but damn if there are some totally unredeemable characters - hail to the king, baby.

I'm caught all up. I saw it coming too, no way she was going to give up such a huge advantage.

Not having read the books it's interesting because I asked someone who had if my predictions were on point and they said I was generally far off without giving any spoilers.

I'm interested to see what these last few episodes show us. A friend of mine posted "these last few episodes are going to make you hate GOT and never want to watch it again."

[Rafiq]

I'm caught all up. I saw it coming too, no way she was going to give up such a huge advantage.

Not having read the books it's interesting because I asked someone who had if my predictions were on point and they said I was generally far off without giving any spoilers.

I'm interested to see what these last few episodes show us. A friend of mine posted "these last few episodes are going to make you hate GOT and never want to watch it again."

Nothing. Book 3 is split into two seasons, season three being only the first part, so the last few episodes shouldn't be too overwhelming.

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[bricolage]

Nothing. Book 3 is split into two seasons, season three being only the first part, so the last few episodes shouldn't be too overwhelming.

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this season ends with bits from the second part of the book.

[An archist]

Nothing. Book 3 is split into two seasons, season three being only the first part, so the last few episodes shouldn't be too overwhelming.

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Hah!
I'm guessing you didn't read the books.

[Ele'ill]

end of book 5 spoilers

everyone is dead

[B5C]

Non-book readers: Are you ready in three weeks?


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[Il Medico]

Oi! B5C, don't spoil shit for those who don't know whats coming.

[RedSonRising]

Those leeches have me worried.

[Jimmie Higgins]

The acting overall is alright but there needs to new more tension devices other than changing the background music.

Really? I think for a show that is 90% dialogue, they do a good job in creating other tension through camera movements, staging, and body language.

The scene of the slave-coup was done really well and I loved a couple of episodes ago when the Master of the new slave town came to Deneris' (sp?) court. The scene with Tywin meeting with Geoffery was amazing as he kept breeching the space between him and the king. Also the scene where Tywin holds the council meeting and Tyrion drags the chair. All fantastically dramatic in the absense of dialoge or in tension with what was being said.

Sorry about the spelling of the names - I haven't read the book and I can barely remember the character names as it is - often I just say, "That slave-guy" or "Dragon-queen".

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[Sasha]

While watching the 3th season of games of thrones (already read the books) I'm re reading Neil Gaimans "American Gods" which will be made into a HBO series next, that shit is hopefully going to be so good I can barely contain my exitement...

[RedSonRising]

Well, while I'm sure George had his reasons for doing that and the rest of his story will create plenty of excitement down the road, I find the events of the last episode to be a waste. 2 seasons of build-up centered around the wolf and the lion, and it's suddenly dissipated in the anti-climax of treachery.

[KurtFF8]

Well, while I'm sure George had his reasons for doing that and the rest of his story will create plenty of excitement down the road, I find the events of the last episode to be a waste. 2 seasons of build-up centered around the wolf and the lion, and it's suddenly dissipated in the anti-climax of treachery.

How on earth was that an anti-climax?

[bcbm]

Well, while I'm sure George had his reasons for doing that and the rest of his story will create plenty of excitement down the road, I find the events of the last episode to be a waste. 2 seasons of build-up centered around the wolf and the lion, and it's suddenly dissipated in the anti-climax of treachery.

um there was tons of other stuff being built up too that is still going on. the 'wolf v lion' shit is actually a p big distraction from the real important shit

[RedSonRising]

How on earth was that an anti-climax?

It wasn't a confrontation, it was treachery. I guess I'm upset it wasn't a battle that decided the outcome. I get the sense we've kind of been cheated from viewing a fair amount of battles (I understand it's just a TV show), and there was no epic clash.


um there was tons of other stuff being built up too that is still going on. the 'wolf v lion' shit is actually a p big distraction from the real important shit

Like what? Bran, Arya, and Daenerys are important for sure, but their adventures up to now have been a slow build, with the first two having no readily apparent purpose. Snow seems important, but he seems to be fucking around around by the wall far away from everything else. The next episode at King's Landing will be good to watch for sure. But a main source of tension has just been suddenly diffused.

[Igor]

It wasn't a confrontation, it was treachery. I guess I'm upset it wasn't a battle that decided the outcome. I get the sense we've kind of been cheated from viewing a fair amount of battles (I understand it's just a TV show), and there was no epic clash.

that was exactly the point: it wasn't supposed to be fair. robb just losing a battle and getting killed would've been fairly boring and i'm a bit surprised you have people who'd actually prefer this to a brilliant twist, out-of-nowhere and completely brutal turn of events that suddenly kills off basically every single leader of one combatant side. this saga hasn't been about epic clashes and glorious battles in no point, it's about petty politics, treachery and everyone being a different shade of an asshole and solution like this works a lot better in this world than a proper, even fight


Like what? Bran, Arya, and Daenerys are important for sure, but their adventures up to now have been a slow build, with the first two having no readily apparent purpose. Snow seems important, but he seems to be fucking around around by the wall far away from everything else. The next episode at King's Landing will be good to watch for sure. But a main source of tension has just been suddenly diffused.

keep watching and find out

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[An archist]

It wasn't a confrontation, it was treachery. I guess I'm upset it wasn't a battle that decided the outcome. I get the sense we've kind of been cheated from viewing a fair amount of battles (I understand it's just a TV show), and there was no epic clash.



Like what? Bran, Arya, and Daenerys are important for sure, but their adventures up to now have been a slow build, with the first two having no readily apparent purpose. Snow seems important, but he seems to be fucking around around by the wall far away from everything else. The next episode at King's Landing will be good to watch for sure. But a main source of tension has just been suddenly diffused.

...Winter is coming...

[Jimmie Higgins]

It wasn't a confrontation, it was treachery. I guess I'm upset it wasn't a battle that decided the outcome. I get the sense we've kind of been cheated from viewing a fair amount of battles (I understand it's just a TV show), and there was no epic clash.

Like what? Bran, Arya, and Daenerys are important for sure, but their adventures up to now have been a slow build, with the first two having no readily apparent purpose. Snow seems important, but he seems to be fucking around around by the wall far away from everything else. The next episode at King's Landing will be good to watch for sure. But a main source of tension has just been suddenly diffused.

Ok here's another perspective of the last episode (so spoliers yada yada if you haven't watched it) from someone who hasn't read the books.

First, I actually didn't see Robb making it through to the end of this book... but the "attack the Lanister's home base" plan was enough misdirection to have me thinking it wouldn't be until after that... (specifically maybe an attack in the last episode of the season... going badly, Robb gets captured, complications and killed like his dad sometime in the next season). So the twist worked for me in that sense.

It also made sense to me in the context of the world and things emphasized in other stories earlier. Like, for the rulers custom is imporatant but also unimportant - it won't necissarily keep you safe, but if you flaunt it then it will still piss people off. And in general, "don't get complacent".

There was a point in that episode specifically where there was a conspicuous lack of tension at the Twins and that seemed akward to me. A little too much of the "hey everything's working out now and we're on track... one more day until retirement... how many chickens will I get from these eggs?" thing. Other than that it was really effective for me though. I was never really that invested in these characters, so on a certain level it wasn't as interesting to watch in terms of character as the twist with Jamie earlier this season or seeing Deny double-cross the slavers. But obviously this twist has much bigger plot-ramifications. The actress who played Katlyn (sp?) sold that very well... like all the stages of grief in a couple of seconds. The empty bargaining that she plays as desperate while at the same time like she knows it's B.S. "let's forget all about this guys... we won't take vengeance". Ouch.

[bcbm]

It wasn't a confrontation, it was treachery. I guess I'm upset it wasn't a battle that decided the outcome. I get the sense we've kind of been cheated from viewing a fair amount of battles (I understand it's just a TV show), and there was no epic clash.

tbh the books don't have that many more battles. and like this is game of thrones world, treachery is the first rule of the game.




Like what? Bran, Arya, and Daenerys are important for sure, but their adventures up to now have been a slow build, with the first two having no readily apparent purpose. Snow seems important, but he seems to be fucking around around by the wall far away from everything else.

its hard to answer this question without giving stuff away. but with what we know from the show... winter is coming, the white walkers are heading south, the wildlings are also planning a move south to escape them, john is returning to a night's watch just decimated by treachery to prepare for this with an ambivalent seven kingdoms below, sam just figured out something important and bran is about to go north of the wall.

daenarys is busily building her army while proving to be a competent and fair ruler and moving ever closer towards crossing the sea.

arya... just wait.

and down in kings landing things are hardly going smooth with the generally more-or-less united front of the lannisters becoming increasingly strained.

and lets not forget littlefinger, stannis and the red queen, the greyjoys in the north, etc. don't worry, shits brewin.



The next episode at King's Landing will be good to watch for sure. But a main source of tension has just been suddenly diffused.

its been diffused so that the slow build of the other plot lines can kick it into the next gear. the basically historical drama aspects of the show (power plays, war, etc) are stage dressing while the real crazy shit is building up in the background.

[Rafiq]

The death of the stark cause signifies the begining of a more mass scale and apocalyptic struggle to come. That is all I will say.

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[Ele'ill]

they better make the joffrey and tywin death sequences terribly graphic

[Igor]

spoilers

lets not do this

[Ele'ill]

lets not do this


why not

[KurtFF8]

It wasn't a confrontation, it was treachery. I guess I'm upset it wasn't a battle that decided the outcome. I get the sense we've kind of been cheated from viewing a fair amount of battles (I understand it's just a TV show), and there was no epic clash.

Just because it wasn't an epic battle doesn't mean that it wasn't climatic. If anything, the lack of it being a cliche plot development found in more generic fantasy is what makes it a much more climatic ending for those characters IMO.

[Fourth Internationalist]

I cried at the Red Wedding scene. :crying:

[Rugged Collectivist]

Quick question. If I want to watch this show, but I don't have HBO, what do I do?

[Sasha]

It's the most pirated show in history, just lift it from the piratebay.

[Geiseric]

I bet that tywin and Geoffrey are going to butt heads. I think it's so funny that Geoffrey doesn't know jamie is his dad.

[Igor]

j o f f r e y

[Jimmie Higgins]

I bet that tywin and Geoffrey are going to butt heads. I think it's so funny that Geoffrey doesn't know jamie is his dad.

It seems like that's what they were setting up in the last episode of this season. And Tyrion's line to Geoffery too: "Why are you so happy? Kill some puppies today?" LOL.

[Igor]

j o f f r e y

cmon guys

[Jimmie Higgins]

cmon guysThey don't spend a lot of time spelling out the names if you watch the TV show. Now I'm just going to continue to spell his name as "Geoffery" out of spite:lol:

[KurtFF8]

I went ahead and read spoilers for the rest of the show. I figured I didn't want to wait years to be caught up to the books

[Igor]

They don't spend a lot of time spelling out the names if you watch the TV show. Now I'm just going to continue to spell his name as "Geoffery" out of spite:lol:

i bet you say john snow too

[Il Medico]

I was happy to finally see greyjoys other than Theon. The finale seemed to hint they'll get more screen time next season and honestly I'm looking forward to it. Even if they insisted on renaming Asha 'Yara' or what not, because they thought the audience too dumb to differentiate between her and Osha.

[Jimmie Higgins]

i bet you say john snow tooJohn Snow nose snuffing!

[Sasha]

I was happy to finally see greyjoys other than Theon. The finale seemed to hint they'll get more screen time next season and honestly I'm looking forward to it. Even if they insisted on renaming Asha 'Yara' or what not, because they thought the audience too dumb to differentiate between her and Osha.


there will be many more, one pretty epic one.....

[Sky Hedgehogian Maestro]

I... haven't read the books or seen the show.
But I will. I'm very interested. :thumbup1: I just need to know what exactly happened in this series..

[bcbm]

just finally saw the season finale, i thought it was great until the last scene. that was just.. ugh

[Rafiq]

just finally saw the season finale, i thought it was great until the last scene. that was just.. ugh

Hmph. I liked it in a way. But there are two ways to interpret it, regardless of the writers intentions:

White savior esque orientalism (personally don't buy this)

Or direct revolutionary struggle, direct violence of her revolutionary campaign, i.e. The complete tearing of a culture and social order which had been around for thousands of years, her aims, something which has never been done before or strived at. She is truly a revolutionary. And because of this, what is left after all is done is a christian holy ghost, the community of believers after the death of god all clueless of what lies ahead as the social order starts to directly tremble and shake. And remember that her army of unsullied are there on their own accord. I don't think Danaerys is a white messiah, her strive toward independance is not some eurocentric feminism, her self actualization coincided with her integration with the dothraki people as khaleesi. So it is quite the opposite really. She comes city to city not as a European savior come to free the brown people who can't help themselves but as one of them, a women of the east who endured many of the same hardships as they did come to share her glorious revelation with the peoples of all places (that is, of anti slavery).

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[Il Medico]

I... haven't read the books or seen the show.
But I will. I'm very interested. :thumbup1: I just need to know what exactly happened in this series..
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/

Have at it.

[bcbm]

Hmph. I liked it in a way. But there are two ways to interpret it, regardless of the writers intentions:

White savior esque orientalism (personally don't buy this)

Or direct revolutionary struggle, direct violence of her revolutionary campaign, i.e. The complete tearing of a culture and social order which had been around for thousands of years, her aims, something which has never been done before or strived at. She is truly a revolutionary. And because of this, what is left after all is done is a christian holy ghost, the community of believers after the death of god all clueless of what lies ahead as the social order starts to directly tremble and shake. And remember that her army of unsullied are there on their own accord. I don't think Danaerys is a white messiah, her strive toward independance is not some eurocentric feminism, her self actualization coincided with her integration with the dothraki people as khaleesi. So it is quite the opposite really. She comes city to city not as a European savior come to free the brown people who can't help themselves but as one of them, a women of the east who endured many of the same hardships as they did come to share her glorious revelation with the peoples of all places (that is, of anti slavery).

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meh, i agree with what you say to an extent but i think it is worth examining a bit

http://io9.com/daenerys-whole-storyline-on-game-of-thrones-is-messed-513189766

http://www.racialicious.com/2011/04/19/can-i-just-watch-a-game-of-thrones-in-peace-brown-feminist-fan-rant/

but mostly i just thought that besides the white girl being crowd surfed by brown masses thing it was just a really crappy scene in general

[human strike]

Hmph. I liked it in a way. But there are two ways to interpret it, regardless of the writers intentions:

White savior esque orientalism (personally don't buy this)

Or direct revolutionary struggle, direct violence of her revolutionary campaign, i.e. The complete tearing of a culture and social order which had been around for thousands of years, her aims, something which has never been done before or strived at. She is truly a revolutionary. And because of this, what is left after all is done is a christian holy ghost, the community of believers after the death of god all clueless of what lies ahead as the social order starts to directly tremble and shake. And remember that her army of unsullied are there on their own accord. I don't think Danaerys is a white messiah, her strive toward independance is not some eurocentric feminism, her self actualization coincided with her integration with the dothraki people as khaleesi. So it is quite the opposite really. She comes city to city not as a European savior come to free the brown people who can't help themselves but as one of them, a women of the east who endured many of the same hardships as they did come to share her glorious revelation with the peoples of all places (that is, of anti slavery).

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Is it actually any different from Dances With Wolves or Avatar? Game of Thrones is a part of the spectacle that mediates white supremacist and colonialist capitalist social relations and is consumed within that context - it does not exist outside of that or somehow separate from it. Ultimately, that scene is a white person on a sea of brown people. The liberated and the Unsullied do not act and are not there of their own accord, they act and are there of the author's accord. What has even happened to the Dothraki? They all seem to have disappeared, but it actually makes no difference to the story because they were all faceless and characterless anyway, just like Unsullied.

[Rafiq]

It is different. Danaerys didn't pack her bags and leave westeros to help the poor brown people out of the goodness of her heart. She was sold to a dothraki horselord and slowly became one of them, not because she "sees things from a different perspective" but because she endured the hardships of being a slave. Danaerys isn't protecting eastern values. She is destroying them. She is waging a revolutionary war against a social order which thrives off of slavery, of which's culture is a reflection of said relation which mystifies westerners as "oriental weirdness". That's about as non-orientalist as it gets. Unlike avatar danaerys isn't protecting some kind of sacred tradition, she is as a brutal universalist destroying one, as she would in westeros. An orientalist would dismiss the peoples of the east as "others" whose ways westerosi will never understand. Danaerys on the other hand does understand and as a former slave of the east is engaging in active struggle for the emancipation of all slaves.

Yes the ending scene was somewhat in bad taste but the overall theme being conveyed is not to be so easily dismissed. This is why ASoIF is such a progressive series, it is as a matter of fact the most progressive well known medeival fantasy series to ever exist, whereas most fantasy is conservative. Within the context of the story the unsullied are not fighting for danaerys as slaves or even simple soldiers, but revolutionaries being caught in the wave of her revolutionary struggle.

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[Rafiq]

It's not as if everyone in that world lives in a global capitalist order in which all are citizens are connected and "born equal". If it was the case maybe it would be racist for the dothraki to have no impact, but it's not. They were organized into a very non advanced form of social organization. It is not racist to say some societies were less advanced than others. The dornish are brown and yet are more significant than most wildlings. Danaerys is supposed to be a messiah for all people, east or west.

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[Turinbaar]

So I just got finished with the season and still no zombie apocalypse.