Massacre of deer

[Ele'ill]

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In a surprise move, the National Park Service announced late yesterday afternoon that it would begin killing 120 deer in Washington, DC's Rock Creek National Park over the next four days! The killing is scheduled to take place each night between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. Practically tame and pregnant deer will be lured to piles of apples and grain where they will be mowed down with bullets and arrows!

[Deity]

Are they at least going to use the meat? Be a shame if they killed them all AND wasted all that venison

[LOLseph Stalin]

Uh...did they even give reasoning for doing this? I'd assume it's a form of population control.

[ВАЛТЕР]

A single deer kill can feed a family for weeks. Though I am sure none of these deer killed will be given to the poor and hungry, but rather just left to rot.

Why not just release more wolves or other predators into the habitat to stem the population in a much more natural way?

[Ele'ill]

Why not just release more wolves or other predators into the habitat to stem the population in a much more natural way?


because people did the exact same thing to wolves and every other animal

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Would letting them starve to death and/or ruin the park's plant-life (which would have knock-on effects for other organisms there as well) really be a better option?

If there are no other predators to keep their numbers down, then animals like deer are going to keep reproducing until the park can no longer sustain them. Or much of anything else for that matter, since the deer will have eaten everything.

I'm also not sure why such a fuss is being made over this. If we didn't have deer culls here in the UK, where we've not had any large predators apart from humans for centuries, then we'd have a serious problem with deer numbers and their effect on the flora.

[Fourth Internationalist]

How about we stop building on their homes? "Sorry, after we took your land, there's no room for you, so the right thing to do is murder you :)"

[garrus]

I guess the administrator did a massive rmdir
:D

[ellipsis]

Are they at least going to use the meat? Be a shame if they killed them all AND wasted all that venison

I would be wary of animal meat from urban deer, or anything. You never know what nasty shit they could have eaten or Drunk in dc.

[Il Medico]

How about we stop building on their homes? "Sorry, after we took your land, there's no room for you, so the right thing to do is murder you :)"
They're fucking deer, mate.

[Fourth Internationalist]

They're fucking deer, mate.

Exactly.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Exactly.

I think it's fucking offensive of you to appropriate the kind of language used to describe the predicament of displaced human beings, to make a comparison with fucking deer.

The two are not comparable! :rolleyes:

[cynicles]

All this article does is make me hungry, I practically grew up on venison and moose of course. If they aren't going to do anything with those deer they can send them my way. Mmmmmmm steaks, burgers, sausage, roasts, filets, bones for soup, marrow, hearts, tripes and sweet bread infinite possibilities.

[Vanguard1917]

Why not just release more wolves or other predators into the habitat to stem the population in a much more natural way?

Deer oh deer ;)

Which predators would we release to keep the wolves in check?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Humans?

[Vanguard1917]

Humans?

Shepherds with big dogs and shotguns.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Deer oh deer ;)

Which predators would we release to keep the wolves in check?
Bear are being reintroduced to the southern US right now. Bear will keep bear in check. And humans, too. A big part of the reason why deer populations tend to grow, sometimes uncontrollably, is because we eradicated wolves. Hunting helps keep deer populations in check, but it's not always good enough. They can be really destructive to the environment in places.

[Vanguard1917]

Bear are being reintroduced to the southern US right now. Bear will keep bear in check. And humans, too. A big part of the reason why deer populations tend to grow, sometimes uncontrollably, is because we eradicated wolves. Hunting helps keep deer populations in check, but it's not always good enough. They can be really destructive to the environment in places.

So perhaps we need more hunting. Maybe the government should promote it via the school curriculum.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Interestingly, the same people whose cultures are by and large contemptuous of suggestions that non-human life isn't intrinsically worth less are also the ones responsible for displacing human beings. Our paving over ecosystems isn't unrelated to the dispossession wrought by capital generally.

First they came for the deer, and I did nothing, because I was not a deer …

[Vanguard1917]

Interestingly, the same people whose cultures are by and large contemptuous of suggestions that non-human life isn't intrinsically worth less are also the ones responsible for displacing human beings.

Like the Nazis, who restricted hunting and banned animal testing.

[Glyde]

Man, I wish more people would shoot deer closer to where I live.
Vermin that try to dent my truck grill.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Like the Nazis, who restricted hunting and banned animal testing.

Is this even an argument or just a display of Godwin's Law?

[Vanguard1917]

Is this even an argument or just a display of Godwin's Law?

It's a refutation.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Is this even an argument or just a display of Godwin's Law?

I had no idea what that was till now. It's both hilarious, and oddly true.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Is this even an argument or just a display of Godwin's Law?

Well VMC implicitely referenced Nazism first with his post, so the reference V1917 made was valid, I think.

I do think that the life of a deer is worth less than the life of a human.

[Pretty Flaco]

I think it's fucking offensive of you to appropriate the kind of language used to describe the predicament of displaced human beings, to make a comparison with fucking deer.

The two are not comparable! :rolleyes:

Deer gentrification is a serious subject, friend.

[black magick hustla]

they are just fuckin deer

[Zostrianos]

How about we stop building on their homes? "Sorry, after we took your land, there's no room for you, so the right thing to do is murder you :)"

Similar logic that seal hunters use: "The seals are depleting all the fish, we have to do something"

Oh, it's the seals that are depleting all the fish? :laugh:
So I guess all the deforestation in the Amazon must have been beavers right?

[Fourth Internationalist]

So perhaps we need more hunting. Maybe the government should promote it via the school curriculum.

No no no no. Not a good idea AT ALL.

[Fourth Internationalist]

I think it's fucking offensive of you to appropriate the kind of language used to describe the predicament of displaced human beings, to make a comparison with fucking deer.

The two are not comparable! :rolleyes:

Yes, it is. Any two things are comparable. Also, I do not see where it wrote the comparison. So what are you ranting about? My language was fine. Unless you think I should use the word " habitat " instead of " home" ? My point was correct, either way. To deny that capitalists are destroying the environments and the life in it for greedy purposes is insane.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No no no no. Not a good idea AT ALL.

Actually I think it's a fucking brilliant idea. What better way to give children personal experience of the circle of life?

Even if one doesn't personally hunt or kill any animals, the lesson needs to be driven home that even if one were to live in a primitive state of nature, one would still be taking up living space that could have been taken up by other animals, eating stuff that could have been eaten by other animals, and so on.

We really need to destroy this ridiculous Disney-esque caricature that reduces nature's wondrous variety of beasts into living cartoon characters.


Yes, it is. Any two things are comparable.

How? When humans move into an area formerly populated by deer, what is being lost in terms of culture, language, and so on?


Also, I do not see where it wrote the comparison. So what are you ranting about? My language was fine. Unless you think I should use the word " habitat " instead of " home" ? My point was correct, either way.

So you won't mind if I refer to your home as a "habitat", to your children as your "spawn" and your partner as a "mate"?

Contrary to what you might think, terminology does actually fucking matter. After all, "kike" and "Jew" can be used to refer to the same thing, so why not use both interchangeably? I think you already know the answer to that one!


To deny that capitalists are destroying the environments and the life in it for greedy purposes is insane.

That's not what you said. You talked of "building on their homes" and you also used the word "murder". Maybe you missed the proper definition while you were too busy anthropomorphising non-humans, but murder is a legal concept not applicable to non-human animals.

[l'Enfermé]

they are just fuckin deer
But life is sacred.

(except cops. ACAB)

[Il Medico]

Yes, it is. Any two things are comparable. No. They really aren't. No more so than comparing mowing your lawn to mutilating animals.

Also, I do not see where it wrote the comparison. So what are you ranting about? My language was fine. Unless you think I should use the word " habitat " instead of " home" ? My point was correct, either way. To deny that capitalists are destroying the environments and the life in it for greedy purposes is insane.
The comparison might have been accidental on you're part, but describing small scale deer population control in a suburban park with the same words one uses to talk about the the genocide of Native Americans trivializes the suffering and deaths of all those people. If you can't understand how that is offensive and wrong, then you can't fuck off with all the other peta-quse wankers and cry about how chicken farming is basically the holocaust.

[Ele'ill]

Would letting them starve to death and/or ruin the park's plant-life (which would have knock-on effects for other organisms there as well) really be a better option?

No I'm more concerned with the causes of ecological collapse then I am with getting to spray other animals with gunfire.


If there are no other predators to keep their numbers down, then animals like deer are going to keep reproducing until the park can no longer sustain them. Or much of anything else for that matter, since the deer will have eaten everything.lol parks


I'm also not sure why such a fuss is being made over this. If we didn't have deer culls here in the UK, where we've not had any large predators apart from humans for centuries, then we'd have a serious problem with deer numbers and their effect on the flora.and if not with deer then something else the problem is another animal actually at the root cause of all of this

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No I'm more concerned with the causes of ecological collapse then getting to spray other animals with gunfire.

Conservation and animal culls are not exclusive - if a single species is pushing other organisms out of their habitat, or eating their food, or preying on them to the point where the genetic viability of a population is in jeopardy, then we need to start doing something about a mess which we've likely contributed to.

Or we could just sit back and not bother to do anything and disasterbate instead, then ecological collapse will be certain. How on Earth is that any better?


lol parks

Why is that funny? Somehow I don't think you'd appreciate it if we instead covered absolutely everything in steel and concrete.


and if not with deer then something else the problem is another animal actually at the root cause of all of this

If you're referring to humans, then I have two words for that: you first!

[Ele'ill]

Conservation and animal culls are not exclusive - if a single species is pushing other organisms out of their habitat, or eating their food, or preying on them to the point where the genetic viability of a population is in jeopardy, then we need to start doing something about a mess which we've likely contributed to.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny here or not.


Or we could just sit back and not bother to do anything and disasterbate instead, then ecological collapse will be certain. How on Earth is that any better?No it just seems that the stepping in to do something is more 'fun based in the same mindset that caused the problem to begin with' then it is solution. In fact almost entirely so.




Why is that funny? Somehow I don't think you'd appreciate it if we instead covered absolutely everything in steel and concrete.I think we're well on our way and I expected more of a vision from a technocrat here honestly. The planet is alive and that keeps us alive and it's not going to be alive as parks and rec mini display cases.




If you're referring to humans, then I have two words for that: you first!

Me first what?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Actually I think it's a fucking brilliant idea. What better way to give children personal experience of the circle of life?

Teaching children how to hunt... What could possibly go wrong?


How? When humans move into an area formerly populated by deer, what is being lost in terms of culture, language, and so on?

I'm not talking about formerly populated. If there's an empty area, idc if there's a house there or not because nothing else is living there. When you destroy large areas of habitat and build neighborhoods out of it, it forces the deer to have much less space to live, and thus die because of lack of resources, or get shot by hunters, or hit by cars. All because their natural habitat was destroyed. This is a very serious problem right now, it affects both people and animals.


So you won't mind if I refer to your home as a "habitat", to your children as your "spawn" and your partner as a "mate"?
No, I don't care at all, but I don't see your point here.


Contrary to what you might think, terminology does actually fucking matter. After all, "kike" and "Jew" can be used to refer to the same thing, so why not use both interchangeably? I think you already know the answer to that one!
Whereas you're example is a derogatory term while habitat, mate, etc. are not and are used by scientists. I still don't see you're point, why does it matter what I call the home, mate, or children of deer?


That's not what you said. You talked of "building on their homes"

Well that's what I've been talking about the whole time.


and you also used the word "murder". Maybe you missed the proper definition while you were too busy anthropomorphising non-humans, but murder is a legal concept not applicable to non-human animals.

And, legally, capitalism is not theft.


but describing small scale deer population control in a suburban park with the same words one uses to talk about the the genocide of Native Americans trivializes the suffering and deaths of all those people.

Please, point out where I compared it to what happened to the native Americans.


If you can't understand how that is offensive and wrong, then you can't fuck off with all the other peta-quse wankers and cry about how chicken farming is basically the holocaust.

Wow. You're very mature, aren't you? :laugh:

[Asmo]

Humans should not meddle with the balance of an ecosystem unless they are prepared to rework the whole thing so it doesn't collapse if we leave it alone, which unfortunately gets in the way of profit. This Abrahamic idea of being masters of Earth will be the death of the biosphere.
If we let the deer overpopulate the ecosystem would repair itself over a few decades or a century, but should we? I think we need an ecologist to determine which involves less death.
Yes, the killing of these beautiful animals sucks, but it's our fault for killing off the wolves that kept things in check. I wish they would use as much as possible of these deer, but they probably will just incinerate them. Such a waste. :/

[Os Cangaceiros]

In regards to wolves, as a species they're actually doing pretty well. Especially in that general area of the world...Canada is full of wolves, and by extension much of the northern USA is as well. It is true though that wolves were slaughtered in much of the continental USA. I think they've been successfully re-introduced in a number of areas, though.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Also deer die far, far worse deaths where I live (and probably a lot of other places) through natural means. IE they often starve and freeze to death during the winter. Having to drag your emaciated skeletal body over snowbank after snowbank before collapsing and dying doesn't seem better than just getting shot, IMO. Life sucks when you're a deer.

[Ele'ill]

Also deer die far, far worse deaths where I live (and probably a lot of other places) through natural means. IE they often starve and freeze to death during the winter. Having to drag your emaciated skeletal body over snowbank after snowbank before collapsing and dying doesn't seem better than just getting shot, IMO. Life sucks when you're a deer.

Maybe one day it could stop sucking

[Os Cangaceiros]

I can't really respect the deer around here. They're just too dumb. It's not like that with me and every animal, either. For example, I have a lot of respect for bears. I have respect for foxes. Hell, I even respect crows, because crows are smart. But the blacktail deer around here...they're really stupid. The deer elsewhere like in the northeast USA are smarter, they'll at least haul ass in the opposite direction whenever they see a human.

[Ele'ill]

I can't really respect the deer around here. They're just too dumb. It's not like that with me and every animal, either. For example, I have a lot of respect for bears. I have respect for foxes. Hell, I even respect crows, because crows are smart. But the blacktail deer around here...they're really stupid. The deer elsewhere like in the northeast USA are smarter, they'll at least haul ass in the opposite direction whenever they see a human.


Blacktail deer probably just want to be friends with people. Pretty sure that happens sometimes.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah my neighbors have a pet deer. It lives in their house a lot of the time. It's pretty weird.

[Ele'ill]

That is kind of weird.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Also deer die far, far worse deaths where I live (and probably a lot of other places) through natural means. IE they often starve and freeze to death during the winter. Having to drag your emaciated skeletal body over snowbank after snowbank before collapsing and dying doesn't seem better than just getting shot, IMO. Life sucks when you're a deer.

When their habitats are being destroyed everyday, and the strongest deer are being killed rather than the weakest (as a predator would), this unfortunately occurs.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The deer's habitat where I live isn't being destroyed but it still happens. It's just nature, she's a cruel mistress.

[skitty]

I thought I'd remind everyone that these deer are in a park that is in the District of Columbia, about 60 square miles with 600,000 residents- 1,000,000 including commuters. Maybe closer to a zoo than natural habitat?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Oh shit, upon initially reading this I thought they meant Washington state, haha

[l'Enfermé]

Kinda related:
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[Philosophos]

I really wish we had more deer in Greece... Why don't they send them somewhere else where people have no problem... Oh yeah they won't have profits sorry...

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

No. They really aren't. No more so than comparing mowing your lawn to mutilating animals.

The comparison might have been accidental on you're part, but describing small scale deer population control in a suburban park with the same words one uses to talk about the the genocide of Native Americans trivializes the suffering and deaths of all those people. If you can't understand how that is offensive and wrong, then you can't fuck off with all the other peta-quse wankers and cry about how chicken farming is basically the holocaust.

On the other hand, it's a funny thing to talk about the genocide of indigenous peoples without talking about the appropriation and destruction of their land bases. That would include, for example, the slaughter of the plains buffalo (only one instance among many).

As for V1917's bizarre Nazi straw man, I think it's obvious that the Nazis didn't ban animal testing insofar as they used human subjects - humans being, obviously - animals.

In any case, I'm not against killing animals, human or otherwise, necessarily, but rather their denigration. To talk (type, I guess) as though it has no consequence or ethical dimension is an ugly road to go down. The problem of deer in the suburbs is clearly suburbs.

[melvin]

I can't really respect the deer around here. They're just too dumb.this made me laugh harder than anything I've read in a while.

[ellipsis]

Just wait until deer eat all of your hostas and weed plants, you'd wanna kill em too.