So I got in an argument with a neocon on facebook

[DasFapital]

Needless to say at the end of it I had lost almost all faith in humanity :(

[Starship Stormtrooper]

Tell us more, what kind of points were brought up etc. How else will we lose the remainder of our hope for the future?

[Kalinin's Facial Hair]

These arguments usually end like this: "Well, ok, now go fuck yourself".

At least for me, that is.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I was in a group on facebook recently that was full of Neo-cons. Needless to say I left since they had no real arguments. It' pretty much all consisted of "you're a dumb commie!", "Obama is a Kenyan commie who hates freedom!", etc. No joke. These people were the very definition of a stereotypical Neo-con.

[DasFapital]

Well they were *****ing about how kids don't say the pledge of allegiance anymore in Public Schools (even though I've been out of high school for 4 years I'm sure this is bullshit). So, being a member of a native american tribe I joking wrote "Lol stupid crackers! America isn't your country!". Next thing I know I am being accused of being an anti-white racist. The guy claims that all people on the planet have taken land from others and that since it was two hundred years ago I should just get over it. So I bring up the drug war and shitty state of today's reservations to show that this oppression is still going on and he claims that it is the natives' faults that there our poor because "they are lazy and can't hold their liquor" and it isn't his fault that "blacks and mexicans sell more drugs than other people". Finally he pointed out that my views were unrealistic and brought up that monkeys fight and kill each other over territory all the time. Needless to say he got a bunch of likes and everyone was on his side. Also he's a Marine who apparently just loves liberty and doesn't want to "see the American flame extinguished by liberals".

[Red Banana]

"Lol stupid crackers! America isn't your country!"

There are way, way better arguments for not standing for the pledge of allegiance. Honestly, whatever you think about calling white people "crackers" (or calling anyone "stupid" for that matter), if the crowd you were talking to was predominantly white, you shouldn't be surprised about the reaction you got. That's not going to win anyone over.

On a related note, while the domestic discrimination of racial/ethnic minorities (and more specifically the genocide of Native Americans) is a good talking point, you shouldn't have limited yourself to just that. Proletarian internationalism, discrimination against women and gays, modern imperialist adventures over seas, etc. would have been good to mention also, to give a more "well rounded" argument.

Edit: Also, most Native American tribes had no conception of land ownership, as I understand it, so while it may not be the [descendents of the] white settlers' country, I don't think most Native Americans would consider it "their" country either. Besides, aren't we communists? What's all this about land belonging to one or another group of people, shouldn't we be pushing for, you know, common ownership of the worlds resources?

[The Douche]

There are way, way better arguments for not standing for the pledge of allegiance. Honestly, whatever you think about calling white people "crackers" (or calling anyone "stupid" for that matter), if the crowd you were talking to was predominantly white, you shouldn't be surprised about the reaction you got. That's not going to win anyone over.

On a related note, while the domestic discrimination of racial/ethnic minorities (and more specifically the genocide of Native Americans) is a good talking point, you shouldn't have limited yourself to just that. Proletarian internationalism, discrimination against women and gays, modern imperialist adventures over seas, etc. would have been good to mention also, to give a more "well rounded" argument.

Edit: Also, most Native American tribes had no conception of land ownership, as I understand it, so while it may not be the [descendents of the] white settlers' country, I don't think most Native Americans would consider it "their" country either. Besides, aren't we communists? What's all this about land belonging to one or another group of people, shouldn't we be pushing for, you know, common ownership of the worlds resources?

Communism means the destruction of white people. I don't see anything wrong with the OP's honesty.

[homegrown terror]

Communism means the destruction of white people. I don't see anything wrong with the OP's honesty.

to be more to the point, the social doctrine of communism (and really that of the left in general) calls for the end of any kind of meaning attached to skin color, not the "destruction" of any particular genetic group. i'm not (ever) gonna be the guy shouting "anti-white racism!" but your statement is nothing but divisive and counterproductive towards the common goal of uniting the working class.

[Tenka]

Finally he pointed out that my views were unrealistic and brought up that monkeys fight and kill each other over territory all the time. Needless to say he got a bunch of likes and everyone was on his side.

Yeah he's got a point there, humans never do anything that monkeys don't do. Should post him some excrement in an envelope with "Ook!" written on an enclosed letter--we homo sapiens have had to devise the postal service after our slightly sophisticated ape brains realised the necessity of throwing our caca over a great distance.


Also he's a Marine who apparently just loves liberty and doesn't want to "see the American flame extinguished by liberals".

Sounds like my next-door neighbour....

The Douche: I have sig'd part of your post and hope you don't mind.

[The Douche]

to be more to the point, the social doctrine of communism (and really that of the left in general) calls for the end of any kind of meaning attached to skin color, not the "destruction" of any particular genetic group. i'm not (ever) gonna be the guy shouting "anti-white racism!" but your statement is nothing but divisive and counterproductive towards the common goal of uniting the working class.

Right, well I can play sort of loose with my wording here, because of the demographic.

If we want to be serious about it, then communism does mean the destruction of "white people", because "whiteness" is a social construct, right, thats how the Irish in the US went from being an "other" to being "white", and thats why I can be called "white" even though my grandparents were arabs.

So no, communism doesn't mean the red guard standing around with paint samples and loading everybody who is lighter than beige onto cattlecars.

But we do need to be real, and we do need to acknowledge that the coming upheavels will have a racial element to them, because communism necessitates the destruction of the white race as an institution.

[l'Enfermé]

Communism means the destruction of white people. I don't see anything wrong with the OP's honesty.
death to whitey

[homegrown terror]

Right, well I can play sort of loose with my wording here, because of the demographic.

If we want to be serious about it, then communism does mean the destruction of "white people", because "whiteness" is a social construct, right, thats how the Irish in the US went from being an "other" to being "white", and thats why I can be called "white" even though my grandparents were arabs.

So no, communism doesn't mean the red guard standing around with paint samples and loading everybody who is lighter than beige onto cattlecars.

But we do need to be real, and we do need to acknowledge that the coming upheavels will have a racial element to them, because communism necessitates the destruction of the white race as an institution.

i see what you were saying now. i thought you were either simplistically or sarcastically calling for genocide. that was my mistake.

[The Douche]

i see what you were saying now. i thought you were either simplistically or sarcastically calling for genocide. that was my mistake.

Yeah, no worries.

[DasFapital]

i see what you were saying now. i thought you were either simplistically or sarcastically calling for genocide. that was my mistake.
I was sarcastically calling for genocide

[Rurkel]

Parallels might work in a reasoned debate. After all, there're nationalists everywhere, why is he so sure in the national exclusivity in his own nation? What makes the "bastard on the other side" wrong when he has similar beliefs? And why does he hold them?


Finally he pointed out that my views were unrealistic and brought up that monkeys fight and kill each other over territory all the time. Needless to say he got a bunch of likes and everyone was on his side.
So what makes his "monkey territory" better then any other? Sounds like a rather cynical view.

[homegrown terror]

Parallels might work in a reasoned debate. After all, there're nationalists everywhere, why is he so sure in the national exclusivity in his own nation? What makes the "bastard on the other side" wrong when he has similar beliefs? And why does he hold them?


So what makes his "monkey territory" better then any other? Sounds like a rather cynical view.

monkey territory is better because it has fucking monkeys. so long as you hide your shiny objects and make sure not to smile with your teeth, there's worlds of fun to be had in Monkey Territory(tm)!

[B5C]

Was he an actual Neo-Con or just a Tea party guy, or an Republican?

They are all quite different.

[bcbm]

facebook is only good for trolling

[DasFapital]

He was Pro-Romney and pro bombing Arab countries

[homegrown terror]

He was Pro-Romney and pro bombing Arab countries

so a capitalist toady, deluded into thinking if he cheers loud enough he'll get himself a piece of the pie?

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

death to whitey

song for the revolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOksOsB-cBs

[MarxArchist]

I found a video of me arguing with a NeoCon. At the 17 second mark an anarcho capitalist comes out of the grassy knoll and shoots me in the leg with his privatized state dart gun. I lost.

rPhelkrB4Q0

"Back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left"