North and South Korea at war.

[Yuppie Grinder]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/03/2013330031388862.html
Shit.

[Kalinin's Facial Hair]

Fucking shit, not another bloodshed, man.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Couldn't find any reports of actual open hostilities right now.

I doubt there will be any... at least i hope there wont be any.

[Princess Luna]

I putting my money on this being all bluster , if North Korea attacks South Korea it will lose badly... and the North Korean leadership is not stupid, they are not going to risk their cushy positions for a hopeless cause.

[Sudsy]

Most people doubt NK will go to war ,NK said attacks would be against US aggression on Korean Central News Agency. Western news sources say factories near the border in NK are operating as usual so they don`t seem to be preparing for war.

[bcbm]

the title here is over stating the case a bit. they basically just said the armistice is cancelled which has happened before

[Taters]

Man, the DPRK's playing a dangerous game. Seems like sooner or later, they'll slip up with this brinkmanship.

[Per Levy]

a war would be the end of the north, so they wont attack, they just rattle the sabers to make them look strong or to maybe get a little deal out of it but nothing else. except of course they are suicidal and while i have no love or sypmpathy for the north korean leadership, they arnt dumb and very much interested in their survival.

[tuwix]

They are at war form 50'ies. I guess it's just another flexing muscles betwenn each other.

[Orange Juche]

I actually believe Kim Jong-Un is nuts enough that he thinks North Korea could handle a war.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Prior experience indicates that the DPRK is bluffing but that doesn't make the situation any less dangerous. Otherwise minor issues might bring a risk of escalation, especially since both sides are at the point of retaliation.


a war would be the end of the north, so they wont attack, they just rattle the sabers to make them look strong or to maybe get a little deal out of it but nothing else. except of course they are suicidal and while i have no love or sypmpathy for the north korean leadership, they arnt dumb and very much interested in their survival.

That kind of assumes Kim Jong Un actually knows what he's doing. These situations on occasion spiral out of control, even if neither side really wants war.

[Starship Stormtrooper]

Don't think anything will happen, at least I hope not. This kind of thing has happened before and the world's been lucky so far :unsure:. My South Korean friends aren't very worried, so there's that.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Most people think North-Korea is very weak. In case of war they will most likely lose, but they have a huge miltary. In case of war the amount or victims would most likely be devastating, since I doubt the DPRK will go down without a fight.

It will also be interesting, and decisive, what surrounding countries like China and Russia will do.

There is a possibility of war, whether that is on purpose or because of either side going a little bit too far in their showing-off.

[Nakidana]

In case of war they will most likely lose

lol, understatement of the year? Considering SK has a 700 billion dollar army at its back, there doesn't seem to be any doubt as to the outcome.

However, NK can still inflict major damage on SK, which is probably one of the reasons the US is holding back from a military engagement.

The whole "Kim Jong-un is crazy" thing is just Western propaganda speaking. "They're not rational", "they can attack at any moment", etc etc. Same is said about Iran and was said about Gaddafi. If you oppose US interests it pretty much guarantees you being labelled a madman at one point or another. If there is one thing the leadership in NK knows, it's how much they'll be annihilated if they attack.

Of course the situation can spin out of control, but it'll be the fault of SK and the US as much as the fault of NK. Let's not forget who's sanctioning and blockading who here.

[p0is0n]

the title here is over stating the case a bit. they basically just said the armistice is cancelled which has happened before
its worth noting that in the KCNA release they are literally saying that there now exists a state of war between the south and the north relations, and that all issues which may rise will be handled according to wartime laws and regulations.

of course, a state of war has technically existed since the 50s, but still.

i believe the north is still operating the north-south industrial area co-venture near the border, and so far i know there have been no reports of physical troop movements on the northern side, towards the border, only increased activity at missile silos.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

State of war has existed for decades. North Korea has been saying stuff the last couple weeks that just seem stupid. Oh we have our shit pointed at South Korea and the U.S. now(Laugh along with me thinking they can hit us) as if that's not where it's always been pointed at. We're in a state of war now, because we haven't been in a state of war since 1950's! North Korea is a joke, just rattling their sabres like they always have(I mean seriously how many times have they threatened to turn South Korea into a sea of fire). They're really just an embarrassment at this point.

[Skyhilist]

Only a matter of time before we'll be asked to pick sides like in Syria and hear stupid shit like "If you don't support South Korea, you support North Korea." *sigh*

[p0is0n]

State of war has existed for decades. North Korea has been saying stuff the last couple weeks that just seem stupid. Oh we have our shit pointed at South Korea and the U.S. now(Laugh along with me thinking they can hit us) as if that's not where it's always been pointed at. We're in a state of war now, because we haven't been in a state of war since 1950's! North Korea is a joke, just rattling their sabres like they always have(I mean seriously how many times have they threatened to turn South Korea into a sea of fire). They're really just an embarrassment at this point.
Reminds me of this: http://img4.joyreactor.com/pics/post/comics-north-korea-america-weapon-549254.jpeg

It is worth noting though that in the event that war does break out, Best Korea has 4000 artillery pieces at the border, all capable of hitting Seoul with conventional, chemical and nuclear payloads. It is my understanding that a defense line was drawn up during the cold war together with the United States, and that said defense line is far south from Seoul because of this artillery.

[Yuppie Grinder]

If anything actually does happen, NK is screwed.
They say they're going to drop nukes on Hawaii now.

[Comrade Nasser]

LOL. I think Un just flipped the fuck out. Does he really think he can take south Korea on and all her comrades? He's probably thinking Russia, China, or Iran will step in to help him (highly doubt it). It's only a matter of time before Kim Jong Un takes it a step too far and the whole worlds gonna be on his case even more than they already are.

[conmharáin]

I like how this thread is dedicated more or less to mocking Kim Jong-un and has little to do with the ways in which the U.S. and NATO have backed North Korea into a corner.

[Nakidana]

I like how this thread is dedicated more or less to mocking Kim Jong-un and has little to do with the ways in which the U.S. and NATO have backed North Korea into a corner.

I blame reddit.

[DROSL]

This is weird, why would they be guided by fat 29 years old kid? I hope the fat ''supreme leader'' gets his ass kicked, he does not represent communism correctly. He's more a fascist than a socialist.

[DROSL]

I know, but north korea is a big joke. They spend thousands of dollars on building gigantic infrastructure and they can't even feed the people.

[Skyhilist]

This is weird, why would they be guided by fat 29 years old kid? I hope the fat ''supreme leader'' gets his ass kicked, he does not represent communism correctly. He's more a fascist than a socialist.

While Kim-Jong Un's tyranny is abhorrent, he is certainly not a fascist. Authoritarian and disgusting, yes. But authoritarianism doesn't necessarily equal fascism, and neither does Juchism. Fascism is just an especially repulsive type of authoritarianism.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I know, but north korea is a big joke. They spend thousands of dollars on building gigantic infrastructure and they can't even feed the people.

Yeah, that's a point that sure to illumine the problems with the DPRK, stunning depth there that completely explains all the problems around there, totally. :rolleyes:

[Nakidana]

They spend thousands of dollars on building gigantic infrastructure and they can't even feed the people.

Yeah man, fuck infrastructure. Who needs it right? :rolleyes:

[conmharáin]

This is weird, why would they be guided by fat 29 years old kid? I hope the fat ''supreme leader'' gets his ass kicked, he does not represent communism correctly. He's more a fascist than a socialist.


I know, but north korea is a big joke. They spend thousands of dollars on building gigantic infrastructure and they can't even feed the people.

Isn't it an amazing coincidence, then, that the US and NATO, representing the most aggressive expression of capitalist imperialism in the world, just happen to be on the right side of this conflict?

... wait, what's wrong with building infrastructure?

[Comrade Alex]

If this goes down the bloodshed will more than anything
This generation is able to bear the Korean peninsula will cease to exist
And the world will take a drastic turn for the worse

[TheGodlessUtopian]

In the event of renewed instances of all out war I wonder what China would do in such a situation; if they do nothing and allow the North to be occupied under Southern leadership then it means they will lack their buffer state against the US/NATO banner. Yet at the same time if they intervene on the scale needed to turn the tide of the conflict (assuming they even have the capacity to do so) then it not only would be a great financial strain on their budget but also runs the risk of setting off a regional war. Last I checked China still had that treaty with the north vowing assistance in the event of attack so I guess it will be interesting to see if they honor their "obligation" or sit it out and risk rival imperialists gaining a stronger foot-hold closer to China's land borders.

[Delenda Carthago]

The whole "Kim Jong-un is crazy" thing is just Western propaganda speaking. "They're not rational", "they can attack at any moment", etc etc. Same is said about Iran and was said about Gaddafi. If you oppose US interests it pretty much guarantees you being labelled a madman at one point or another. If there is one thing the leadership in NK knows, it's how much they'll be annihilated if they attack.

Of course the situation can spin out of control, but it'll be the fault of SK and the US as much as the fault of NK. Let's not forget who's sanctioning and blockading who here.
This.

Plus, I have to say that the fact that DPRK is always dismising the fascist rules the UN are trying to enforce on them, like the whole thing with the nukes, but still all USA does is talk, must tell you something. DPRK is not Libya, there will take a lot more from the imperialists to win the case.

[Delenda Carthago]

This is weird, why would they be guided by fat 29 years old kid? I hope the fat ''supreme leader'' gets his ass kicked, he does not represent communism correctly. He's more a fascist than a socialist.
http://files.sharenator.com/america_fuck_yeah1_Metric_vs_other_systems_America _FUCK_YEA-s400x320-105676-580.jpg

[Geiseric]

But seriously hasn't anybody ever read 1984? The constant threat of war (like the U.S. has going on) is for social control...

[garrus]

Originally Posted by Malangyar

The whole "Kim Jong-un is crazy" thing is just Western propaganda speaking. "They're not rational", "they can attack at any moment", etc etc. Same is said about Iran and was said about Gaddafi. If you oppose US interests it pretty much guarantees you being labelled a madman at one point or another. If there is one thing the leadership in NK knows, it's how much they'll be annihilated if they attack.

Of course the situation can spin out of control, but it'll be the fault of SK and the US as much as the fault of NK. Let's not forget who's sanctioning and blockading who here.
God damn, a sincere thanks for that post and the heads up.
With all the supernatural crap going on there, i tend to scoff and mock with most stuff i hear about NK when they're talking shit, posing threats, being cocky and stuff...
When the alternative would be to shut up, respectfully back off and let the imperialists, who have been hostile and harmful for decades in every single way bully them into oblivion.

Even if you despise NK (and there are many reasons to), you should be 10 times more disgusted with team america .

[conmharáin]

But seriously hasn't anybody ever read 1984? The constant threat of war (like the U.S. has going on) is for social control...

And you think the military first policy exists solely to fill that purpose? It has nothing to do with aggressive demonstrations (like war games) in the peninsula?

Jesus, there's a real irony in people reading Orwell and still falling for the state's tricks.

[Captain Ahab]

And you think the military first policy exists solely to fill that purpose? It has nothing to do with aggressive demonstrations (like war games) in the peninsula?

Jesus, there's a real irony in people reading Orwell and still falling for the state's tricks.
I thought Songun was developed in response to events in Romania where Ceausescu's regime was toppled in what some would call a revolution and others a military coup. By placating the military the Kims remain in power with all their privileges intact.

[conmharáin]

I thought Songun was developed in response to events in Romania where Ceausescu's regime was toppled in what some would call a revolution and others a military coup. By placating the military the Kims remain in power with all their privileges intact.

Songun keeps the military on high alert, and this is extremely costly. Military intimidation by the United States in South Korea keeps North Korea in a constant and expensive state of war readiness. The notorious extravagances of the Kim family notwithstanding, it isn't any wonder they have trouble feeding civilians; they have trouble feeding soldiers. And this is directly a result of US-NATO terrorism against that state and its people.

[piet11111]

Shit when i read the title of this thread i thought they where actually fighting a war.

Fortunately that is not the case.

But in the case of actual war we all know that north korea would lose but the problem with that is that they to me at least do not seem very likely to stop before its too late.
The north koreans seem very much to adhere to the "no land beyond the Volga" line of thinking only they really do not stand a chance on their own.

[Rurkel]

I don't think that there's anything particularly crazy about DPRK leadership, any more then about the leadership of most, probably all, other states. It's quite nasty and bombastic, but I've seen nothing that would confirm them as crazy.

And you think the military first policy exists solely to fill that purpose? It has nothing to do with aggressive demonstrations (like war games) in the peninsula?
Sounds like the two purposes nicely support each other. Even if the US treat magically disappeared, there would still be people in DPRK who would be only to eager to continue such a state of affairs. Military castes like to keep their privileges.

[conmharáin]

Sounds like the two purposes nicely support each other. Even if the US treat magically disappeared, there would still be people in DPRK who would be only to eager to continue such a state of affairs. Military castes like to keep their privileges.

It's difficult to say who benefits from being responsible for a state constantly on the brink of destruction. Even in the face of evidence of the West's role in shaping the character of North Korea, I guess some people still just need to find something supernaturally evil about the country.

[Rurkel]

It's always nice to appeal to external danger in order to prop your own caste/social grouping. Even if the external danger is real, well, you can always appreciate the silver lining in the dark cloud, especially if the cloud hadn't actually burst out in a storm for quite a long time so far.

[conmharáin]

It's always nice to appeal to external danger in order to prop your own caste/social grouping. Even if the external danger is real, well, you can always appreciate the silver lining in the dark cloud, especially if the cloud hadn't actually burst out in a storm for quite a long time so far.

So even when they have a legitimate reason for a policy, they still have to have some wicked ulterior motive.

[Rurkel]

Exchange "wicked" for "seeking to (re)enforce their own domination/influence" and pretty much yes. It happens with all modern states and all ruling classes/sections of them.

[conmharáin]

And they are thus Orwellian states to be invaded.

[Rurkel]

DPRK is certainly more 'Orwellian' then the other states, but I don't believe in imperial benevolence. Any invasion will be done in the interests of the invaders' imperial policy.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

New info

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/31/north-korea-south-factory-threat/print



The rising tension between North and South Korea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/south-korea) escalated further on Saturday as Pyongyang threatened to shut down a vital factory complex run jointly by the two countries.

HOLY SHIT THEY ARE CLOSING DOWN THE MONEY MACHINE! YOU KNOW WHEN CAPITALISTS DO THAT IT MEANS THAT SHIT IS GETTING REAL!

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Wasn't the DPRK reacting this way because the US flew armed fighter jets over it?

[Taters]

Specifically, they flew B-2 bombers over and dropped inert munitions somewhere north of the DMZ. Taxpayer dollars at work; conservatives didn't bat an eye.

[LeonJWilliams]

State of War on Korean Peninsula (http://acatheunderground.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/daily-headline-300313/) Things are really getting tense at the moment but it's interesting that the 'analysts' (whoever they are!) are still saying that another all out war is very unlikely.

[LeonJWilliams]

Wasn't the DPRK reacting this way because the US flew armed fighter jets over it?

Yes. The US is doing as much as it can to antagonise the DPRK into a move to legitimise an attack.

Both sides are a disgrace and I see no winners in a conflict, only massive civilian casualties.

US continues to antagonise North Korea (http://acatheunderground.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/us-continues-to-antagonise-north-korea/)

[Willin']

This is what is going on

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/north-korea-vs-south-korea.jpg

This is how North Korea Reacts to USA and South Korea
http://gifs8.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/img7750.gif?8f94d7

[Rusty Shackleford]

Wasn't the DPRK reacting this way because the US flew armed fighter jets over it?

The planes in question were B52s and B2s being visibly flown over South Korea. Both aircraft are nuclear-capable strategic bombers, the B2 being a Stealth bomber to boot. And what i mean by being visibly flown over the south was that they were flying at low altitude. There are photographs of the aircraft in western media in their flights over the south. If thye were flying at altitudes they do their nasty business at, youd have a tough time seeing them, especially the B2(it flys really high).

No planes actually entered DPRK airspace afaik. If they did, there would actually be a war right now.

But, this was a gesture of egging the north on, reassuring the south, and a bit of showboating by the US.

[Delenda Carthago]

This is how North Korea Reacts to USA and South Korea
http://gifs8.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/img7750.gif?8f94d7
Of course. They should let the american planes armed to the teeth fly over their country. That would be the sane thing to do. Not letting the big bully do what he wants, is "insane".

[Willin']

Of course. They should let the american planes armed to the teeth fly over their country. That would be the sane thing to do. Not letting the big bully do what he wants, is "insane".

my point was that both countries are trash,i hate north korea even more than USA. If you like it or not,usa citizens still have much much more "freedom" that they would have in that shit hole

[conmharáin]

my point was that both countries are trash,i hate north korea even more than USA. If you like it or not,usa citizens still have much much more "freedom" that they would have in that shit hole

It is therefore completely unreasonable for North Korea to be responding the way it is to aggressive gestures designed to intimidate it. I also appreciate how your analysis includes all the ways in which the state of North Korea has been warped by imperialist aggression and sanctions.

Yeah, no, North Korea just sucks because a bunch of assholes happen to run it. #historicalmaterialism

[La Guaneña]

Yeah, man, ok, the DPRK totally needs to be democratized by some B-52s, since USA couldn't do the fucking job right in the first place.

I am getting really pissed off at these north-american and west european users treating asian and latin american people like naive kids, who bow down to any glorious leader with a red flag and totally never know what we are doing.

You guys sound like I'm fucking watching CNN, and sometimes forget that the latin and asian communists have been and still are a bigger pain in the ass to the western bourgeois than their own local left organizations. I don't think anyone here needs the schooling, but if you people feel like someone does, it ain't us.

Stop this shit right now, it's disgusting.

[Broviet Union]

I understand that most of us hold US imperialism in contempt, but from the perspective of a socialist this conflict, as far as I can see, can only be viewed as Bad (USA) vs. Really Bad (insanely totalitarian state serving a totally corrupt parasitic class ruling the country with a bloated army.)

[Nakidana]

my point was that both countries are trash,i hate north korea even more than USA. If you like it or not,usa citizens still have much much more "freedom" that they would have in that shit hole

How many nukes has NK used on cities? How many countries has it invaded and occupied in the last 50 years? How many international torture programs has it run?

The country that you call a shithole has infrastructure, healthcare and literacy. Until the 1980s the standard of living was higher than in SK. Now it might be rundown because of economic collapse, natural disasters, famine and sanctions, but the fact remains that it is a hell of a lot more than a "shithole".

Nobody is denying NK is an authoritarian regime, but your rhetoric reeks of American propaganda.

[Willin']

How many nukes has NK used on cities? How many countries has it invaded and occupied in the last 50 years? How many international torture programs has it run?

The country that you call a shithole has infrastructure, healthcare and literacy. Until the 1980s the standard of living was higher than in SK. Now it might be rundown because of economic collapse, natural disasters, famine and sanctions, but the fact remains that it is a hell of a lot more than a "shithole".

Nobody is denying NK is an authoritarian regime, but your rhetoric reeks of American propaganda.

NON you freakish retard because north korea is freaking small,if north korea was as big and powerful as the USA it would conquer the whole damn word,and it would repress human beings 1000 worse than USA represses us.
The soviet empire was still standing in the 80 and it gave NK the help it needed,if there wasnt for the russians they would starve to death
http://i.imgur.com/bGWkV7o.png

will you grow up and stop trying to defend north korea and other "socialistic" countries.You arent doing anything good for the struggle ,you just make everyone think that we support cuba,china,ussr,...and that we want to establish its repressive system once more.
Oh yea,since i'm thinking different that you and i don't hold same views of you i'm already infected by USA propagandha,just look who uses propagandha fucking NK thats who,do you see such posters in USA or EU or any other capitalists place for that matter
http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2011/12/NK-Propaganda-51-630x332.jpg

part of being a communist is to admit that the commies made lots and lots of mistakes in human history and we should learn from them and try to fix them.But instead you are protecting those so called communists who are nothing more than criminals,and you wonder why most of the world is against your political view

[La Guaneña]

NON you freakish retard because north korea is freaking small,if north korea was as big and powerful as the USA it would conquer the whole damn word,and it would repress human beings 1000 worse than USA represses us.

http://i.imgur.com/bGWkV7o.png

will you grow up and stop trying to defend north korea and other "socialistic" countries.You arent doing anything good for the struggle ,you just make everyone think that we support cuba,china,ussr,...and that we want to establish its repressive system once more.

First off, dont use the word "retard" in that sense.

So we must not defend the DPRK agains american imperialist agression because if the DPRK was more powerfull they would be imperialist agressors?

You are not contributing at all by calling other users "retards" and if you read what the other user said, he/she did not deny the authoritarian nature of the Korean State. Malangyar was only trying to show that there is more to see that the US propaganda that the DPRK is a "shithole" (god I hate this word) ruled by some crazy psychos that dominate some naive, innocent and dumb population.

[La Guaneña]

Oh yea,since i'm thinking different that you and i don't hold same views of you i'm already infected by USA propagandha,just look who uses propagandha fucking NK thats who,do you see such posters in USA or EU or any other capitalists place for that matter
http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2011/12/NK-Propaganda-51-630x332.jpg

Oh, yeah, capitalists never use sensationalist propaganda either, right?

http://faculty.tcc.edu/LRainard/online/his-122/spri/8b-week/images/50s-commie.jpg

[conmharáin]

So, Willin', explain what evidence shows that, if North Korea were not as heavily sanctioned and militarily intimidated as it is, that it would oppress the people of the world "1000 times worse" than the United States.

[Willin']

First off, dont use the word "retard" in that sense.

So we must not defend the DPRK agains american imperialist agression because if the DPRK was more powerfull they would be imperialist agressors?

You are not contributing at all by calling other users "retards" and if you read what the other user said, he/she did not deny the authoritarian nature of the Korean State. Malangyar was only trying to show that there is more to see that the US propaganda that the DPRK is a "shithole" (god I hate this word) ruled by some crazy psychos that dominate some naive, innocent and dumb population.
yea yea we can go all night if we want,i just wanted to say mah fuck it forget about this post

[Rusty Shackleford]

I understand that most of us hold US imperialism in contempt, but from the perspective of a socialist this conflict, as far as I can see, can only be viewed as Bad (USA) vs. Really Bad (insanely totalitarian state serving a totally corrupt parasitic class ruling the country with a bloated army.)

No matter how bad the DPRK is or may be, it doesnt justify rallying around the stars and stripes against them in military or economic action against the DPRK. Even if the DPRK is worse, one should oppose 'their own' imperialists wherever they go.


This doesnt mean championing competing imperialists against ones 'own' imperialists as being anti-imperialist. that is some knee-jerk unprincipled 'anti-imperialism.'


Also if i understand it correctly, the Korean Peoples' Army is more or less integrated into civilian life, even though it is prioritized.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Also if i understand it correctly, the Korean Peoples' Army is more or less integrated into civilian life, even though it is prioritized.

Integrated in the same way the NDSAP was integrated into German civilian life. It means nothing other than the pigs have tendrils.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Integrated in the same way the NDSAP was integrated into German civilian life. It means nothing other than the pigs have tendrils.

I think he was referring to the fact that a major aspect of their use is to provide labour for construction projects and in agriculture, particularly during the harvest times, i.e. that they do civilian activities in addition to military duties.

[Willin']

Oh, yeah, capitalists never use sensationalist propaganda either, right?

http://faculty.tcc.edu/LRainard/online/his-122/spri/8b-week/images/50s-commie.jpg

The point is that Karl Marx said that art is the weapon of the higher class and that it promises the unpromisable to the people.
Here is the irony,an so called "communist" country uses propaganda when Karl Marx stated just the opposite.

:)

[Rusty Shackleford]

For such a large standing army, it would be a massive drain on the economy (besides the drain military spending already has) to just have them sitting around on bases or doing drills.

And though the guerilla war did not precipitate the current DPRK state, the culture of the military like with the PLA was, and im guessing, intended to be rooted in the peasantry and working class.

There was some article on the public distribution system (that the military administers) and talking about the integration of military and civilian spheres. It even claimed, if i and remembering this correctly, that the average military person was viewed as and acted as an equal and on par with civilians. Ill dig around for the article at some point, but it was not KCNA or anything like that. It was from something like Vice.

[Nakidana]

NON you freakish retard

You pass! :lol:


because north korea is freaking small,if north korea was as big and powerful as the USA it would conquer the whole damn word,and it would repress human beings 1000 worse than USA represses us.

Yeah, sorry, I forgot all the imagined horrors NK will inflict on us once their ultimate goal of global domination is achieved. Never mind the real world, we should always deal in the hypothetical. Thank God for US hegemony, amen. :sleep:

I'm sorry, but the US to me is a much bigger threat than NK considering the past 50 years of real atrocities, torture, millions dead and destruction of countries.


The soviet empire was still standing in the 80 and it gave NK the help it needed,if there wasnt for the russians they would starve to death

So? Lots of countries were reliant on the USSR, doesn't turn them into shitholes. Now the USSR is gone but the people of NK are still alive. They're suffering from malnutrition sure, but so are people in India and many other places. So I guess India is a shithole now as well, correct?

Or is it that NK is something uniquely bad? An evil entity spawned from the guts of hell?


will you grow up and stop trying to defend north korea and other "socialistic" countries.

Oh you're absolutely right, I'm totally defending NK because I think it's communist. :rolleyes:

No, I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and start going into overdrive about NK repression because the war drums are beating. I don't want a fucking war you know. I want the sanctions and blockades to be lifted and I want the US to stop provoking NK by doing military drills and flying B2 bombers overhead.


You arent doing anything good for the struggle ,you just make everyone think that we support cuba,china,ussr,...and that we want to establish its repressive system once more.

I imagine people like you sitting all depressed in your room sad about how your politics are always lambasted and ridiculed by the media and the general public.

*Suddenly, a wild NK appears!*

Yes, finally! I dislike the regime in NK, and so do they! Now I can finally be accepted!

*Willin' uses circlejerk!*

It's super effective!

Out with the memes, ridicule and quasi-racism! Haha, look at Kim Jong-un that fat bastard! Look how they're parading! Look they don't have any internet, they don't have any cars! Look how weird they are, they're all brainwashed, they're all crazy! We can fly all the way from Missouri, bomb them, and return if we so wish. 'murica.


Oh yea,since i'm thinking different that you and i don't hold same views of you i'm already infected by USA propagandha

No, I base that on how you seem to have paranoia regarding NK ("if they were more powerful they would take over the world") and see it as some unique evil ("just look who uses propaganda").


part of being a communist is to admit that the commies made lots and lots of mistakes in human history and we should learn from them and try to fix them.

The "commies"? :rolleyes:


But instead you are protecting those so called communists who are nothing more than criminals,and you wonder why most of the world is against your political view

No, I'm really not. This might be too much to ask, but next time please read my post more carefully.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I understand that most of us hold US imperialism in contempt, but from the perspective of a socialist this conflict, as far as I can see, can only be viewed as Bad (USA) vs. Really Bad (insanely totalitarian state serving a totally corrupt parasitic class ruling the country with a bloated army.)

Even assuming that this is the case, what would an imperialist invasion accomplish? Millions of dead Koreans and no political change, or even a political regression, as in Iraq, most likely.

That, and the description of the DPR Korea you provide is biased, at best; "totalitarian" is a nonsense term that is used to demonise any country that uses non-market propaganda, and while it is clear from context that the "state serving a totally corrupt parasitic class ruling the country with a bloated army" refers to the DPR Korea, it is actually a good description of the United States.


Oh yea,since i'm thinking different that you and i don't hold same views of you i'm already infected by USA propagandha,just look who uses propagandha fucking NK thats who,do you see such posters in USA or EU or any other capitalists place for that matter
http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2011/12/NK-Propaganda-51-630x332.jpg

Comrade Kim looks very uncomfortable in that picture. It's as if he woke up one day and found himself a part of the Sun. I imagine I would be consternated as well. Also, people shouldn't stare into the sun like that, even if comrade Kim is in it.

Also, both the United States and the European Union use political propaganda; DPRK propaganda is honest and open while capitalist propaganda tries to mask itself as "respectable", "neutral" journalism or "research".

Good grief, some people really seem to have bought into the whole "DPRK is a bunch of savages without plumbing, ruled over by a fat Big Brother, and we must liberate them by blowing them up" line.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

All this posturing from great powers can only be confronted with a yawn :sleep:. Bring back the celebrity gossip imho.

[La Guaneña]

The point is that Karl Marx said that art is the weapon of the higher class and that it promises the unpromisable to the people.
Here is the irony,an so called "communist" country uses propaganda when Karl Marx stated just the opposite.

:)

Where the hell did Marx say that? You affirm it, you prove it.

Propaganda is a tool of the ruling class, and the proletariat must use it as well if it wants hegemony. Not that the DPRK is a DOTP or something like that.

[Comrade #138672]

But seriously hasn't anybody ever read 1984? The constant threat of war (like the U.S. has going on) is for social control...But there is a genuine threat of war, I believe. The situation has always been unstable - now even more than ever.

[Delenda Carthago]

US military chopper crashes near N Korea border


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-16/us-military-chopper-crashes-near-n-korea-border/4632844




It brought on my mind this

http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/meh.ro11176.jpg