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Princess Luna
29th March 2013, 18:52
(Reuters) - Atheist groups, who say millions of non-religious people face persecution in many parts of the world, accused the European Union on Friday of failing to stand up for their rights in the United Nations.

They spoke as the 47-member U.N. Human Rights Council approved a resolution drafted by the EU calling for an end to religious intolerance and violence and for all governments to observe freedom of religion and belief.

But the campaigners, who had earlier given the council a report on abuse of atheists, mainly in Muslim countries, had sought a text making clear its injunctions included them.

"The wording of this resolution shows how the world, even the secular West, ignores the plight of atheists and other non-believers in many countries," said Sonja Eggericks, president of the International Humanist and Ethical Union.

"Many people who recognize no supernatural being are suffering and even dying for trying to exercise their right to hold and profess their views," she said in a statement sent to Reuters from Brussels.

Elizabeth O'Casey of the U.S.-based Centre for Inquiry said the EU refusal to include a direct reference to non-believers as needing protection alongside religious minorities "fails many millions of people across the globe".

But officials from the 27-member EU said they believed it was clear that the resolution - passed by consensus in the council where in the past there have been fierce struggles over religious freedom - covered believers and non-believers.

Introducing the non-binding resolution to the council, the EU described it as condemning "all forms of violence against, intolerance towards and discrimination of people on the basis of their religious or non-religious identity."

Diplomats said the EU had omitted a specific reference to the need for protection for atheists, whose numbers are reported in recent surveys as growing strongly around the globe, in a deal with Islamic countries.

Under that alleged deal, member states of the 57-nation Organisation of Islamic Cooperation on the council would accept the EU resolution in return for EU approval of their own resolution condemning religious intolerance.

The Islamic bloc's resolution is seen by some human rights and free speech campaigners as a continuation under another guise of its 10-year drive, suspended in 2011, to get a U.N. agreement banning "defamation of religion."


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/03/22/us-rights-atheists-eu-idUKBRE92L0N520130322

Rafiq
30th March 2013, 16:02
Atheism can be sustained by strong communist movements which can pressure their according bourgeois states, and fight for superstructural hegemony, not pathetic quasi religious organizations campaigning for 'rights' in the UN.

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garrus
30th March 2013, 22:33
Atheism can be sustained by strong communist movements which can pressure their according bourgeois states, and fight for superstructural hegemony, not pathetic quasi religious organizations campaigning for 'rights' in the UN.

Yeah... respond with that on any atheist..
That'll get the atheist movement going :rolleyes:

Art Vandelay
30th March 2013, 23:13
Yeah... respond with that on any atheist..
That'll get the atheist movement going :rolleyes:

His point was that the 'atheist movement' is a waste of time.

Two Buck Chuck
31st March 2013, 02:59
Wow, those atheists sure mean business. What's next, a petition?

garrus
31st March 2013, 12:58
His point was that the 'atheist movement' is a waste of time.
Ah ok.I disagree even more then.

In that sense, the anti-fascist,feminist, anti-racist ... etc (in fact all non explicitly communist / anarchist / working-class-revolutionary ) movements are all a waste of time, since they can be sustained by strong communist movements that apply pressure to their corresponding states.

Rafiq
31st March 2013, 14:31
Ah ok.I disagree even more then.

In that sense, the anti-fascist,feminist, anti-racist ... etc (in fact all non explicitly communist / anarchist / working-class-revolutionary ) movements are all a waste of time, since they can be sustained by strong communist movements that apply pressure to their corresponding states.

actually both feminism and anti racism's rise was in correspondence with intensified class struggle and the rise of proletarian power. when the proletariat took a blow, anti racism translated into liberal political correctness and feminism became conservative. and just as much, atheism became a quasi-religion, its own identity, weak and useless (new atheism is idealist in nature). all marxists are old atheists.

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Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
31st March 2013, 17:49
The new atheist movement produces no meaningful change in society and I'm not convinced that it actually produces any atheists either. You just end up with a bunch of self-important nerds, still lacking critical thinking skills, mindlessly quoting Dawkins instead of mindlessly quoting Jesus. I'm pretty sure it's just a scam to sell books and speaking tours. At best it's a quasi-left offering for the idiotic culture wars the west is so in love with.

Broviet Union
31st March 2013, 19:55
Like Marx said, they want to destroy religion without destroying the conditions that make religion necessary and relevant.

I myself am a bit of a disaffected old "New Atheist". At some point I realized how conformist and moralistic the movement is.

At the same time, I am certainly opposed to any critique of New Atheism that lends credence to religion.