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Sinister Cultural Marxist
29th March 2013, 17:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21974381


Russia has warned of tensions in North Korea slipping out of control, after Pyongyang said it was placing its missile units on stand-by.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned the situation could slip "toward the spiral of a vicious circle".
Kim Jong-un made the missile order after talks responding to US stealth bomber flights over the Korean peninsula, state news agency KCNA said.
The time had come to "settle accounts" with the US, KCNA quoted him as saying.
Annual military drills and fresh UN sanctions have angered North Korea.
After a late-night meeting with the army's strategic rocket force, Kim Jong-un "judged the time has come to settle accounts with the US imperialists", KCNA reported.
He was said to have condemned US B-2 bomber sorties over South Korea as a "reckless phase" that represented an "ultimatum that they will ignite a nuclear war at any cost on the Korean Peninsula".
US mainland and bases in Hawaii, Guam and South Korea were all named as potential targets.
The US - which flew two stealth bombers over the peninsula on Thursday as part of the ongoing annual US-South Korea military drills - has said it is ready for "any eventuality" on the peninsula.
Thousands of North Korean soldiers and students later took part in a mass rally in the centre of Pyongyang in support of Kim Jong-un's announcement, beneath large portraits of his father Kim Jong-il and grandfather Kim Il-sung.
A South Korean defence ministry spokesman described the North Korean decision as a "continuing measure", after its announcement to adopt "combat posture".
'Unacceptable' China, North Korea's biggest trading partner, immediately reiterated its call for all sides to ease tensions.
But Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov went further, voicing concern that "we may simply let the situation slip out of our control and it will slide into a spiral of a vicious circle".
While condemning Pyongyang's actions as "unacceptable", he gave a more general warning that "unilateral steps being taken around North Korea that manifest themselves in a build-up of military activity".
He added what was needed was not a build-up of military muscle and a pretext for using military means to achieve "geopolitical objectives", in remarks seen as an implicit criticism of US bomber flights.
'Joint efforts' In a statement (http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/press-release.u.s.b.2.bombers.conduct.extended.deterrenc e.mission.to.the.republic.of.korea.1041), the US military said that the B-2 planes demonstrated America's ability to "provide extended deterrence" to its allies and conduct "long-range, precision strikes quickly and at will".
"The North Koreans have to understand that what they're doing is very dangerous," US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel told reporters on Thursday. "We must make clear that these provocations by the North are taken by us very seriously and we'll respond to that."
The US had already flown nuclear-capable B-52 bombers over South Korea earlier this month, in what it called a response to escalating North Korean threats.
A Yonhap news agency report citing an unidentified military official said increased activity had been noted at North Korea's missile sites, but this remains unconfirmed.
"Intelligence personnel are closely monitoring North Korea's readiness with its short, middle and long range missiles such as Scud missile, Nodong missile and Musudan missile," South Korean defence ministry official Kim Min-seok said.
In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told a daily news briefing that "joint efforts" should be made to turn around a "tense situation". He made similar remarks on Tuesday.
Unprecedented rhetoric Tensions in the Korean peninsula have been high since North Korea's third nuclear test on 12 February, which led to the imposition of a fresh raft of sanctions.
North Korea has made multiple threats against both the US and South Korea in recent weeks, including warning of a "pre-emptive nuclear strike" on the US and the scrapping of the Korean War armistice.
North Korea is not thought to have the technology to strike the US mainland with either a nuclear weapon or a ballistic missile, but it is capable of targeting some US military bases in Asia with its mid-range missiles.
While North Korea has issued many threats against the US and South Korea in the past, this level of sustained rhetoric is rare, observers say.
On 16 March, North Korea warned of attacks against South Korea's border islands, and advised residents to leave the islands. In 2010 it shelled South Korea's Yeonpyeong island, causing four deaths.
On Wednesday, Pyongyang also cut a military hotline with the South - the last direct official link between the two nations.
A Red Cross hotline and another line used to communicate with the UN Command at Panmunjom have already been cut, although an inter-Korean air-traffic hotline still exists.
The jointly-run Kaesong industrial park is still in operation, however, and over 160 South Korean commuters entered North Korea yesterday to work in its factories.
The problem with the DPRK's brinksmanship is that even if they are not looking to start a war, a war might end up beginning by accident, even if it was initially nothing but a bluff. A confrontation between the KPA and the US military/South Korean military would leave a huge number of people including many civilian workers on both sides dead or injured.

adipocere
2nd April 2013, 19:21
I wish Russia had the balls to tell the USA to "calm the fuck down."

Philosopher Jay
7th April 2013, 20:15
The United States government, using its hegemonic control of the United Nations, has instituted worldwide economic sanctions against Korea that will ensure massive poverty for the foreseeable future and possible starvation. What country's government could be calm in the face of such violent actions against it. It is kind of like a 300 lb. man kicking a 135 lb. man in the testicles and while the smaller man is writhing on the ground, screaming in pain and threatening revenge, the friend of the 300 lb. man tells the 135 lb. to calm down.

Domela Nieuwenhuis
7th April 2013, 20:37
I wish Russia had the balls to tell the USA to "calm the fuck down."

Nah, Russia is the new USA.

Delenda Carthago
7th April 2013, 20:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21974381

The problem with the DPRK's brinksmanship is that even if they are not looking to start a war, a war might end up beginning by accident, even if it was initially nothing but a bluff. A confrontation between the KPA and the US military/South Korean military would leave a huge number of people including many civilian workers on both sides dead or injured.
First of all, you gotta be shiting me if you think that DPRK is the one asking for trouble. Cause I gotta inform you that it wasnt DPRK planes that flew over USA land. Neither they are "crazy" as the media say in order to hide USA imperialist stance.

Secondly, DPRK bows down to no imperialist, not even China which is also asking for peace. With all the things that have wrong on their political views(which btw have NOTHING to do with the media lies), being someones puppet is not one of their characteristics.

Domela Nieuwenhuis
7th April 2013, 21:01
First of all, you gotta be shiting me if you think that DPRK is the one asking for trouble. Cause I gotta inform you that it wasnt DPRK planes that flew over USA land. Neither they are "crazy" as the media say in order to hide USA imperialist stance.

Secondly, DPRK bows down to no imperialist, not even China which is also asking for peace. With all the things that have wrong on their political views(which btw have NOTHING to do with the media lies), being someones puppet is not one of their characteristics.

Yeah, but declare war on the rest of the world is a whole other bag of tea.

Deity
7th April 2013, 21:05
Ha! Silly Russians trying to tell Best Korea what to do!

Sinister Cultural Marxist
7th April 2013, 22:31
First of all, you gotta be shiting me if you think that DPRK is the one asking for trouble. Cause I gotta inform you that it wasnt DPRK planes that flew over USA land. Neither they are "crazy" as the media say in order to hide USA imperialist stance.

Secondly, DPRK bows down to no imperialist, not even China which is also asking for peace. With all the things that have wrong on their political views(which btw have NOTHING to do with the media lies), being someones puppet is not one of their characteristics.

Did any American bombers actually fly over internationally recognized North Korean land? I'm not even sure if it is relevant. Obviously the USA is going to do its best to anger, destabilize and weaken any regime left over from the "other side" of the cold war, but there are more intelligent ways of dealing with those issues than the one which North Korea has been taking. As Fidel Castro said, nobody is going to be helped by a "second" Korean war.

This isn't an issue of "bowing down to an Imperialist" this is an issue that military bluffs don't actually help solve anything in the Korean peninsula except make an accidental war possible. The North Korea has more than enough conventional military power to deter an actual attack to say nothing of their nuclear weapons so the US isn't planning on attacking them in the short term. The real problem the DPRK faces is socio-economic, not military.

As for "bowing down to imperialists" they do a good job of pimping out their workers as low cost wage slaves to Western businesses. But all is forgiven when you can threaten to nuke South Korea and Guam i guess.

La GuaneƱa
7th April 2013, 23:42
Well, the cuban situation isn't as hot as the Korean one, I guess.

Even though many us backed organizations regularly invade cuban air space with small planes, nothing compares to the massive military excercises and B-52 and B-2 stealth flybys happening in the Korean Peninsula.

The threat posed on Cuba has always been more of a political and economic one, while Korea has always been threatened with total destruction, including the atomic threats of the Korean war.

I guess that such responses from the DPRK are expected. You can't say that the results are gonna be good in any fashion possible, though.

Delenda Carthago
7th April 2013, 23:53
Did any American bombers actually fly over internationally recognized North Korean land? I'm not even sure if it is relevant. Obviously the USA is going to do its best to anger, destabilize and weaken any regime left over from the "other side" of the cold war, but there are more intelligent ways of dealing with those issues than the one which North Korea has been taking. As Fidel Castro said, nobody is going to be helped by a "second" Korean war.

This isn't an issue of "bowing down to an Imperialist" this is an issue that military bluffs don't actually help solve anything in the Korean peninsula except make an accidental war possible. The North Korea has more than enough conventional military power to deter an actual attack to say nothing of their nuclear weapons so the US isn't planning on attacking them in the short term. The real problem the DPRK faces is socio-economic, not military.

As for "bowing down to imperialists" they do a good job of pimping out their workers as low cost wage slaves to Western businesses. But all is forgiven when you can threaten to nuke South Korea and Guam i guess.
C mon man...The official story was that B-2s flew at the borders. Lets be serious. Of course they flew over NK and of course they wanted north koreans to know that.

We have to understand, how do you think the situation went from that thing to USA postponing the test of Minuteman bomb? For sure not by taking things "calmly".


The thing you said about the workers is another discusion which has nothing to do on whether USA should invade or bully NK or not.