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Crixus
29th March 2013, 07:55
Dispossession, primitive accumulation, dependence on the market and and fast food! This is a great excerpt from Micheal Perelman's book "The invention of capitalism" which illustrates how Marx was wrong to imply primitive accumulation stopped once a proletariat class was formed. The overall point of the book is to dispel classical liberal myths and to strengthen Mrax's historical materialist theory of primitive accumulation.

"In reality, primitive accumulation did not suddenly occur just before the
transition to European capitalism. Nor was it confined to the countryside of western Europe. Primitive accumulation may be seen as occurring even well before the age of capitalism.
For example, land was already scarce for the majority of people during
the middle ages.



About one-half of the peasant population had holdings insufficient to
maintain their families at the bare minimum of subsistence. This
meant that in order to subsist the average smallholder had to supple-
ment his income in other ways. . . . [I]ndustrial and trading activities
might sustain entire villages of smallholders. . . . Most of the oppor-
tunities for employment must, however, have lain in agriculture. . . .
[I]n almost all the villages some villagers worked for others.
Other factors reinforced the pressure of land scarcity. For example, the
twelfth-century Danes levied tribute from the British. This extortion was
not primitive accumulation, since it was not intended to coerce workers
into the labor market and foster market relations. However, it did impel
Britain to monetize its economy in a way that bore some resemblance
to primitive accumulation (Sohn-Rethel 1978, 107). Similarly, medieval
usury, often simply dismissed as a parasitic intrusion into the economy,
prodded the economy to advance (Marx 1967, 3:596–97).
The process of primitive accumulation does not merely extend back-
ward before the epoch of classical political economy. It lasted well into
more modern times. In England, as well as in the other countries of ad-
vanced capitalism, the conversion of small-scale farmers into proletarians
continued throughout the nineteenth century and into the twentieth.
This transformation involved more than the ‘‘silent compulsion’’ of mar-
ket forces. In the case of the destruction of small-scale farming in the
United States, the federal government was central in developing the trans-
portation and research systems that tipped the balance in favor of large-
scale agriculture (see Perelman 1977; 1991b).
The continuity of primitive accumulation stands in stark contrast to its
usual image as the one-time destruction of the peasant economy, the
immediate effect of which was to create a society with capitalists on the
one side and workers on the other. This perception is understandable, but
misleading. Indeed, on the eve of capitalism, the majority of people were
peasants or at least had some connection to farming.
Moreover, primitive accumulation was not limited to agriculture. It
extended across many, if not all, sectors of the economy (Berg 1986, 70). It
took place in the city as well as the countryside. After all, urban people
still provide for themselves directly in a multitude of ways other than the
growing of food. Depriving people of these means of provision forces a
greater dependence on the market just as surely as restricting their access
to the means of food production.


theory of primitive accumulation
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Take a relatively modern example. Packing people into crowded urban
quarters left little space for doing laundry. As a result, people become de-
pendent on commercial laundries. After World War II, the ability of the
typical U.S. family to produce for its own needs continued to diminish,
despite the widespread availability of household appliances, such as wash-
ing machines, that should have made many types of self-provisioning
easier. Likewise, Paul Sweezy (1980, 13) interprets Japan’s huge enter-
tainment sector as a partial result of people being forced to live in such
cramped quarters that they are unable to socialize in their homes.
The need to purchase such services compels people to sell more labor.
We see that the share of life years available for wage labor for the average adult
has expanded from 39 percent in 1900 to 44.4 percent in 1970, despite
rising education levels, better child labor laws, and a shorter workweek.
Since that time, work has demanded a rapidly escalating share of the
typical family’s time. Juliet Schor (1991, 29) estimates that the average
person worked 163 more hours in 1987 than in 1969.
This process can feed on itself. Because people have to earn more wages
to compensate for the increased difficulty of providing for certain of their
own needs, they have less time to do other sorts of work on their own,
inducing families to transfer still more labor from the household to the
commercial sector. Child care centers are an obvious outcome of this
process. In addition, the fast-food industry is predicated on the difficulty
of working a job and performing a multitude of other household chores in the same day."

Os Cangaceiros
29th March 2013, 08:02
They have done studies that have found that middle and even upper level income earners eat a lot of fast food, though.

Crixus
29th March 2013, 20:51
An American express study which says the "rich" are people who charge $7,000 a month on their credit cards and also says since the economy crashed those "rich" people are trying to save time and money. This study is, at the end of the day, being used as propaganda to fight against the drive for healthier foods for poor people and for poor people to have more time to prepare healthy foods. You think capitalists would just quietly sit by while people are calling to ban fast food in poor neighborhoods? These "rich" people also don't have time as most of them are wage workers themselves. The Wall St Journal loves that subjective study. It's not just poor who are under the umbrella of wage/salary earners. People who work for a boss and have no time. How many millionaires/billionaires make fast food their staple diet? Lets see that study please.

Anyhow fast food is just one example of the results of ongoing dispossession (which also happens to wage/salary earners who earn around and under 100k a year). The point is, things millions of people could once do for ourselves/themselves, under capitalism, we can hardly do anymore. Childcare, cooking, laundry, growing food, cultivating community/family bonds (now done online and it's profitable for capitalists and convenient, time wise, for many people) etc and so on. Almost every function of survival and socializing is being made dependent on the market.

Lets see if single person X or couple with children X can survive socially and domestically without submitting to or being drastically effected by market forces. My concern is how far will this process go? How far CAN it go? Will people notice it happening? It started with dispossession of the ability to work for ones self but is continuing to every aspect of our existence.

Os Cangaceiros
29th March 2013, 22:40
Well I'm just saying, I don't really think that "the poor" are really the backbone of fast food's profits. I come from a middle-income background economically, and grew up in a fairly comfortable sociologically middle class existence, and I ate plenty of fast food as a kid. It's the same way with most people I know.

Back when I had little-to-no money after some entanglement with the legal system, I quickly found out that going to the store and buying, say, a big bag of dry beans was considerably less expensive than fast food, and only really required minimal effort to prepare. I think there are real problems with the way people here in the USA view food (and there are really few topics more important than something we need just to live), and yes capitalism has quite a bit to do with that, esp. with things like agricultural subsidies and just agribusiness in general, but a lot of the reductionist arguments that one sometimes hears about fast food are hard to defend under serious scrutiny, I've found.

Crixus
29th March 2013, 22:50
Well I'm just saying, I don't really think that "the poor" are really the backbone of fast food's profits. I come from a middle-income background economically, and grew up in a fairly comfortable sociologically middle class existence, and I ate plenty of fast food as a kid. It's the same way with most people I know.

Back when I had little-to-no money after some entanglement with the legal system, I quickly found out that going to the store and buying, say, a big bag of dry beans was considerably less expensive than fast food, and only really required minimal effort to prepare. I think there are real problems with the way people here in the USA view food (and there are really few topics more important than something we need just to live), and yes capitalism has quite a bit to do with that, esp. with things like agricultural subsidies and just agribusiness in general, but a lot of the reductionist arguments that one sometimes hears about fast food are hard to defend under serious scrutiny, I've found.
It's not just the poor it's anyone who works for a boss and doesn't have as much time as, say, a wealthy capitalist. People don't want to eat bags of beans most enjoy a variety of food stuff which isn't an easy task when you're working 8 to 10 hour days then commuting for another hour. Also, the more labor one does the less energy one has when getting home from work. Even middle class people are rushed, mothers and fathers with van loads of kids stressed out from modern life fill fast food drive-throughs. Middle class working parents also have to pay for child care which is another form of dispossession. Duel income is needed in order to survive even for most middle class. Like I said it's not just fast food but every aspect of many peoples lives. Where does it stop? At what point will every aspect of our lives be integrated into the most cheapest and convenient market solution- a solution which depends on us being dispossessed of other solutions.

Os Cangaceiros
30th March 2013, 04:24
It's not just the poor it's anyone who works for a boss and doesn't have as much time as, say, a wealthy capitalist. People don't want to eat bags of beans most enjoy a variety of food stuff which isn't an easy task when you're working 8 to 10 hour days then commuting for another hour.

Well it's not just beans. Basic staples are usually pretty cheap at the store. For example a loaf of white bread where I live costs only slightly over one dollar, which is cheap by any standard. You can buy pounds of rice and oats and all sorts of other staples quite inexpensively as well. Yes, it's more convenient to buy fast food, and it definitely takes effort to eat well. But there are definitely other options to fast food.

Poison Frog
30th March 2013, 08:11
There are other options, but what you're talking about is money, whereas the time factor is what causes lots of people a problem. It's not just fast food from a burger joint or pizza parlour, it's the ready meals sections of supermarkets. These things are seriously unhealthy and you don't know what's in them (as evidenced by the recent horse meat scandal in Britain). Also, they are more expensive than buying the options you point out. Rather than saying people are forced to buy them due to low cost, in fact, because they are deprived of time and tired, they are buying unhealthy food that is more expensive as well.

People on lower incomes often have to pay higher prices than rich people pay.