what countries are on the verge of becoming socialist/communist

[billydan225]

I was hearing about a new communist bloc forming in South Africa,India,Brazil and Russia becomming communist is this true I've seen it on a video about it but I can't find it

[Brutus]

If the Russian communist party was to be voted to power, Russia would not be communist.
1) Communism can not be achieved through reform
2) they're nationalist, social conservative, stalin worshippers.

Now, there are Maoist fighters in India, fighting in a 'people's war', but as for the others, I do not know.

[billydan225]

If the Russian communist party was to be voted to power, Russia would not be communist.
1) Communism can not be achieved through reform
2) they're nationalist, social conservative, stalin worshippers.

Now, there are Maoist fighters in India, fighting in a 'people's war', but as for the others, I do not know.

Well thanks for the info about india

[Brutus]

Also, communism is a change in the modes of production, and it can not happen overnight. You have a strange view on what communism is. Try reading Marx and Engels, and playing less red alert

[#FF0000]

It sounds like you're talking about the BRICs. They aren't a new "communist" bloc at all -- just countries with somewhat recently developed and rapidly growing economies.


Also, communism is a change in the modes of production, and it can not happen overnight. You have a strange view on what communism is. Try reading Marx and Engels, and playing less red alert

Try keeping that shit out of the learning forum.

[Crabbensmasher]

The BRICS countries are probably least liable of having a revolution. They're very important developing countries in the modern free market economy. The powers that be wouldn't want to sacrifice all they've "achieved" while moving towards more capitalism

[Einkarl]

I was hearing about a new communist bloc forming in South Africa,India,Brazil and Russia becomming communist is this true I've seen it on a video about it but I can't find it

There is no "verge" there are only revolutionary conditions. The worker's movement is a spontaneous movement. Remember, the Russian revolution sprung out of peaceful protest, not a year from March (February O.S.) of 1917 did anyone thought that the end of Czarist rule was near.

If you have anymore questions please feel free to ask, you can also P.M. me if you please.:)

[tuwix]

I was hearing about a new communist bloc forming in South Africa,India,Brazil and Russia becomming communist is this true I've seen it on a video about it but I can't find it

Untrue. But there are areas in communism on this planet. Unafortunately primitive coimmunism only.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

There is no "verge" there are only revolutionary conditions. The worker's movement is a spontaneous movement. Remember, the Russian revolution sprung out of peaceful protest, not a year from March (February O.S.) of 1917 did anyone thought that the end of Czarist rule was near.

If you have anymore questions please feel free to ask, you can also P.M. me if you please.:)

I think saying that the russian revolution just "sprung out of peaceful protest" is way too simplistic. It "sprung" out of an imperialist war which led to, even more, poverty and deaths. That is where protests came in. So it wasn't that one day people started peaceful protesting, in as far as peaceful protests were even possible in Russia, and suddenly that changed into revolution.

I don't think there is any particular country that is near becoming communist. Cmmunism is international. There are a few countries were revoltion seems a possibility in the near future but it is hard to say if when a revolution doesn't spread such countries would stay a dictatorship of the proletariat or would just degenerate like Russia. Implying that if a revolution doesn't spread the people in a revolutionary country would be able to stay in power and not be attacked by other countries.

[Luís Henrique]

I was hearing about a new communist bloc forming in South Africa,India,Brazil and Russia becomming communist is this true I've seen it on a video about it but I can't find it

I live in Brazil. It isn't becoming communist in any meaningful sence. What are your sources of information?

Luís Henrique

[billydan225]

I live in Brazil. It isn't becoming communist in any meaningful sence. What are your sources of information?

Luís Henrique

I found the video on youtube and some old guy was taking about all the countries I mentioned were becoming communist idk

[Q]

I found the video on youtube and some old guy was taking about all the countries I mentioned were becoming communist idk
Some uninformed Tea Party idiot perhaps?


do you reccomebt any good communist websites besides this one?

There are plenty, depends what you're looking for.

[billydan225]

Some uninformed Tea Party idiot perhaps?



There are plenty, depends what you're looking for.
Probably:D

[La Guaneña]

I was hearing about a new communist bloc forming in South Africa,India,Brazil and Russia becomming communist is this true I've seen it on a video about it but I can't find it

I can't see this whole communism thing going on in Brazil. The government here is formed by a large range of left parties, but that has been acting mainly on centre-left lines.

The maoists are doing pretty well in India, though.

[Durruti's friend]

Everyone is talking about Naxalites, and no one mentioned Zapatistas or FARC/ELN (which I personally do not support, but hey)...

The BRICS countries aren't even close to becoming communist, they are just getting out of America's economic grasp.

[La Guaneña]

Everyone is talking about Naxalites, and no one mentioned Zapatistas or FARC/ELN (which I personally do not support, but hey)...

The BRICS countries aren't even close to becoming communist, they are just getting out of America's economic grasp.

I wouldn't say that the FARC/ELN are as strong as they were, for instance, 10 years ago. But still.

Greece is also becoming more important by the day in the context of revolutionary situations. I am looking up to the 19th Congress of the KKE, since the theses indicated an escalation in the anti-capitalist struggle. It's worth keeping an eye out.

[Colfax]

I can't comment in detail on Russia. From everything that I've read, it seems in much more danger of going full-blown fascist, or some Eastern Orthodox theocratic version thereof, than tilting into anything like socialism/communism.

India's got some extremely active and fascinating revolutionary movements. People have already mentioned the Naxalites. Also check out communist governments in the Indian states of Kerala and West Bengal. There are active leftist parties who are doing things, but at a national level it's all neoliberal plutocratic developmentalism.

Brazil, as someone already mentioned, is governed by a coalition of left-wing parties. That doesn't make them socialist or communist. The Partido de los Trabajadores, the party of Lula and the current president, is much more focused on instituting a kind of social democracy that is compatible with their attempt to better Brazil's economic position in the present world system than in making the social revolution.

South Africa is a case I know somewhat better. The ANC government still includes communists, but their influence in the post-apartheid state has never been equal to what they had during the liberation struggle. There was never really an effort to democratize access to either land or the main industries of resource extraction (i.e. diamond and gold mining). The government has engaged in campaigns of social spending in areas such as health care and housing. Education has been far and away a failure. The biggest cause for interest, for me anyway, is in a basic income grant program for families with children and the disabled. It has expanded into something that is ever closer to a citizen's wage or guaranteed minimal income. This is infinitely more reformist than revolutionary, but it could have the effect of delinking labor and income. It's probably a stretch, but that could be a step in the direction of countering bourgeois economic moralism and towards making the communist credo of 'to each, from each' more innately persuasive and realizable.

[La Guaneña]

Brazil, as someone already mentioned, is governed by a coalition of left-wing parties. That doesn't make them socialist or communist. The Partido de los Trabajadores, the party of Lula and the current president, is much more focused on instituting a kind of social democracy that is compatible with their attempt to better Brazil's economic position in the present world system than in making the social revolution.



We speak Portuguese, comrade. "Partido dos Trabalhadores". :laugh:

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Communism is nationless and stateless. So, the answer is none.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I think that a revolutionary movement (of the kind communists want to see) will only be successful if it becomes an insurgent movement that transcends international borders. Considering the lightning speed at which information & news crosses borders in the present day, I actually think that this is very possible. An example from the recent past is the protests of early 2011, I guess, although they weren't in pursuit of communistic goals, of course. But the basic idea is similar. Another more controversial example of a (very reactionary) movement that's managed to establish a pretty good information-sharing intelligence network and a transnational stateless army is Al-Qaeda. Organizationally-speaking, though, there are some problems with AQ's leadership structure, and tactically-speaking...well, I doubt anything really needs to be said about that topic. :rolleyes:

Basically I agree with Negri in that decentralized resistance networks will predominate in the future, and the kind of heavily centralized resistance movements (as practiced by some national liberation groups, and some armed struggle/urban guerrilla-type organizations), and I guess you could throw communist parties in there as well as entities that place a heavy emphasis on centralism, these will become less relevant. This obviously raises problems about how decentralized movements will "seize power", although I'm also under the impression that state power itself will exercise itself in more and more decentralized ways (that's not to say in any way that state power will become less brutal, though). I think that the kind of power that the state is exercising today is quite intricate and sophisticated, and in response I think that we need to formulate new strategies to deal with this. I think it's perfectly possible, actually, I just don't think that the radical left has really taken enough of an interest in this topic and are still stuck in the "old ways" in some respects.

The main point here is that I don't envision the future of our political project as starting with, "then one day there was a revolution and [insert country here] became socialist/communist/what-have-you."

[Geiseric]

I'd say most countries in the world have a chance of creating a revolutionary party. The question is how long will that take? In a country such as Greece or South Africa given the Merkana massacre, that would be very likely. The U.S. might be close to a revolutionary situation, once this sequester hits in we could see the momentum build for a workers party. Based off what i've heard in terms of the volume of protesters and strikes going on lately, as is usually happening somewhere in the world, I'd say the world is over ripe for revolution as a whole, and now things are in stage for decay.