When is Rape okay?

[ВАЛТЕР]

I ran across this picture on my facebook feed and I can't fucking believe my eyes. Where the fuck is the "never" option? Really concerning to see.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/599742_10152228729370663_344265492_n.jpg

[ind_com]

WTF that's a sick person!

EDIT: It's really scary how rape-culture is affecting kids from a young age.

[Deity]

The fact that females said yes is pretty mind boggling in the first place, but 18% think it's ok to rape her if she isn't a virgin? All of those percentages are ridiculous.

[ВАЛТЕР]

What is especially concerning to me is that females agreed with some of these reasons. I don't want to come off as a man pointing out flaws in women, but this is ridiculous. "She gets him excited sexually?" 42% of female participants said "yes" to that. Are you fucking shitting me?

[B5C]

Yahweh oked it.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
New International Version (NIV)
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

[ind_com]

Women are not immune to rape culture or patriarchy. According to where they are placed in any hierarchical structure in the society, they may also directly contribute to the subjugation of other women. Consider the role of the mother-in-law in a traditional Indian family, for example.

[conmharáin]

At least as disturbing that so many men think rape is excusable in certain situations is that some women seem to think it is, too.

[Brutus]

Over 50% for some situations! That's just wrong. If a human being rapes another human being, in any circumstance, it can never be justified, and it is never acceptable

[Aurora]

This image is incorrect and the result of someone mangling someone elses work, check out the website in the image. www.fearus.org

The study was done in 1978 and was based on a 5 point scale not a yes or no answer and the question has been edited.

Of course a percentage of people do think that rape is acceptable in certain circumstances and any percentage above 0 means that something is seriously fucking wrong but i don't think it helps anyone to use old bastardised studies.

[Crixus]

Thats the stupidest question ever and I won't believe those answers unless I see people with the survey in hand answering that question in the manner shown in that picture. Call me optimistic.

[John Lennin]

When is rape okay? - sick question, simple answer: never.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

Now we must ask the men who agreed with rape if they would allow themselves to be sodomised by another man in the situations where they described rape was ok.

When women say it is ok it is completely unforgivable.
I am glad I was able to make my sister a hardcore feminist.

[Philosophos]

I would like to see what these people, that have agreed with these arguments, will answer if they really get raped... I'm suuuure that they will stay with the same beliefs... :glare:

[a_wild_MAGIKARP]

So, basically, 54% of high school guys are sexist pieces of shit, and 42% of high school girls hate themselves and their own gender. Wonderful -.-

[homegrown terror]

So, basically, 54% of high school guys are sexist pieces of shit, and 42% of high school girls hate themselves and their own gender. Wonderful -.-

it's been 11 years since i graduated, but that statement sounds pretty accurate.

[RedAtheist]

This is from the (not remotely radical) sociology department at my university. Yeah I know it's from 1997, but the backlash against feminism has only gotten worse since then.

"Three research projects have been carried out in different areas of South Australia, involving over 1000 young men. About one third of them could identify situations in which they believe that it is OK for a man to “force a woman to have sex”. The circumstances include:

ñ they have had sex together before;
ñ she has had sex with other men before;
ñ she has let him touch her ‘above the waist’;
ñ she has let him touch her ‘below the waist’;
ñ he has spent a lot of money on her.

(Family Planning South Australia, 1997) "

[Sidagma]

I would like to see what these people, that have agreed with these arguments, will answer if they really get raped... I'm suuuure that they will stay with the same beliefs... :glare:

Not cool, man. These kind of beliefs -- on both sides, that is, the perpetrator and the perpetratee -- only make rape more dangerous and debilitating when it happens because it is fully possible that people will interact who both feel that it's okay to force someone to have sex in certain situations. And then when it actually happens neither party has any idea what went wrong or why their minds and bodies are reacting the way they are. It can take a long time, when you're raised with these kinds of beliefs, to realize that actually, I was raped, or oh actually, I raped that person. Healing from trauma is exceedingly difficult when you have been raised with beliefs that won't recognize it as trauma.

Rape culture isn't an issue of just outright hatred. Certainly hatred is its backbone, but it's this kind of ignorance certainly enables a lot of it in day-to-day life. Probably the majority of rapes that I know of, personally, happened in the circumstances I described above. There are people who use these beliefs to enable their abusers' behavior. It's not something that only people who have never been raped believe. It's the same sexist rape culture bullshit that's utterly pervasive in our entire society.

EDIT: Also, you should never, ever say anything even a little along the lines of "I would like to see what happens if these people get raped."

[Einkarl]

Okay hold the fucking phone. Where the hell are these kids getting these ideas?

I used to be some what mistified at the concept of "rape culture" but gees.

I hope a lot of the responders are just fucking around and aren't responding to survey genuinely

[VDS]

Just looking at the picture in the OP made my stomach turn.

[Comrade Nasser]

I ran across this picture on my facebook feed and I can't fucking believe my eyes. Where the fuck is the "never" option? Really concerning to see.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/599742_10152228729370663_344265492_n.jpg

How about FUCKING NEVER! These people are sick!

[MP5]

As jaded as i am this actually shocked me. Are these people for real? I really really hope it's just a case of "i can't be fucked filling this shit out so I'm not even going to look at this shit" but i have a feeling it's not. How is it in this day and age that people still hold these barbaric views? This kinda stuff makes me wonder why i have any faith left in humanity at all.

[Asmo]

This is why Feminism is still relevant and necessary. Rape(seed) is okay only in vegetable oil and biodiesel. Seriously what the fuck? I hope that what happened was that people in an area in severe need of sex ed were asked whether having sex with a person in each of those situations is okay, not using the word 'rape'. I doubt that there is a high school where more than half of the male students think rape is acceptable. Surely they just don't know what counts as rape, right?

[Quail]

I would like to see what these people, that have agreed with these arguments, will answer if they really get raped... I'm suuuure that they will stay with the same beliefs... :glare:
I don't think this is really an appropriate comment. We live in a society where sadly a lot of young women don't realise there is a problem with young men forcing sex or pressuring sex, and young men are brought up to see their female counterparts as objects rather than people. That doesn't mean we should wish rape on those people to see if they change their minds. What we need is to do away with the attitudes and culture that make young people think these things in the first place. This post constitutes a verbal warning to Philosophos.

Also wanted to draw attention to Aurora's post:

This image is incorrect and the result of someone mangling someone elses work, check out the website in the image. www.fearus.org (http://www.fearus.org)

The study was done in 1978 and was based on a 5 point scale not a yes or no answer and the question has been edited.

Of course a percentage of people do think that rape is acceptable in certain circumstances and any percentage above 0 means that something is seriously fucking wrong but i don't think it helps anyone to use old bastardised studies.
Turns out the figures in the OP are the number of people who don't think forced sex is 100% unaccetable as opposed to the number of people who think it is "okay." Obviously forced sex is never acceptable, but it's important to look at where the figures have come from. Knee-jerk reactions to manipulated figures aren't really constructive. We should be asking why don't people think forced sex is 100% unacceptable in any situation and what can we do to change that?

[Philosophos]

Not cool, man. These kind of beliefs -- on both sides, that is, the perpetrator and the perpetratee -- only make rape more dangerous and debilitating when it happens because it is fully possible that people will interact who both feel that it's okay to force someone to have sex in certain situations. And then when it actually happens neither party has any idea what went wrong or why their minds and bodies are reacting the way they are. It can take a long time, when you're raised with these kinds of beliefs, to realize that actually, I was raped, or oh actually, I raped that person. Healing from trauma is exceedingly difficult when you have been raised with beliefs that won't recognize it as trauma.

Rape culture isn't an issue of just outright hatred. Certainly hatred is its backbone, but it's this kind of ignorance certainly enables a lot of it in day-to-day life. Probably the majority of rapes that I know of, personally, happened in the circumstances I described above. There are people who use these beliefs to enable their abusers' behavior. It's not something that only people who have never been raped believe. It's the same sexist rape culture bullshit that's utterly pervasive in our entire society.

EDIT: Also, you should never, ever say anything even a little along the lines of "I would like to see what happens if these people get raped."

I'm not saying that people SHOULD get raped. I'm just saying that they should put themselves in the shoes of the raped people. Why the people that have been raped haven't been able most of the times to move on with their lives? Because it was fucking beautiful? No the exact opposite. It's a hypothesis not a real statement.

[conmharáin]

I'm not saying that people SHOULD get raped. I'm just saying that they should put themselves in the shoes of the raped people. Why the people that have been raped haven't been able most of the times to move on with their lives? Because it was fucking beautiful? No the exact opposite. It's a hypothesis not a real statement.


I would like to see what these people, that have agreed with these arguments, will answer if they really get raped... I'm suuuure that they will stay with the same beliefs... :glare:

You didn't say that they ought to be raped, no, but you're clearly suggesting that being raped would change their minds. That may be true, but toying with the idea of people being raped for the sake of argument is really not very thoughtful with regards to the evil of rape. I'm sure you don't condone rape in any instance; it's just that the comment was a little tasteless.