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26th March 2013, 09:11
Ten years after the height of the mobilisation against the Iraq war, Mike Macnair calls for an end (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/954/anti-imperialist-united-front-no-inherent-connection-with-the-working-class) to the politics of the ‘anti-imperialist united front’.



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Hugo Chávez: many other nationalists before him

In what sense did the Stop the War Coalition fail? After all, no-one could ever seriously have expected to actually stop the war without overthrowing the state. It is an illusion to suggest that you could do so. It might be the case that if a sufficient number of MPs were put in fear of their lives - for example, if they thought they might be hung from lampposts when they went back to their constituencies - then they might have been willing to vote not to go to war. But what sort of success, then, could you expect?

It was right to say ‘Not in my name’, even in common with those members of the capitalist class and the core state apparatus who did not want the war to go ahead. But, while you could not expect to stop the war as a result of that huge protest on February 15 2003, what you could expect, beyond having a couple of million people on the streets on one day, was a long-term movement: the development of a broad understanding that it is necessary to oppose our own country’s overseas adventures. Yet it is clear from Libya, Mali and Syria that this has not been achieved. What we have is a kind of Groundhog Day - the usual suspects, the far-left groups and their periphery, doing the same thing over and over again, only with far smaller numbers.

Part of the story is that Stop the War Coalition has been identified as a rerun of the foreign policy of the old Soviet Union in the 1960s and 70s. That is to say, the policy of the ‘socialist camp’, the ‘anti-imperialist front’ - of falling behind the opponents of US-led capitalism, whoever they may be, and transforming them into heroes: eg, claiming that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was some kind of representative of the poor of Tehran. And the converse of that has been the repeated exclusion of Hands Off the People of Iran from STWC - even before Hopi’s formation we saw the exclusion of Iranian dissidents from anti-war platforms. Stop the War has associated itself with the opponents of the United States.

This was seen when the Socialist Workers Party attempted to create a party based on the anti-war movement: Stop the War equals Respect, equals George Galloway. And the capitalist class, the state and the media were able to fasten onto the weaknesses of Galloway’s politics to identify the anti-war movement precisely with the usual suspects - with people who retain a nostalgia for the cold war.

The question is, why? There is a simple explanation in the fact that the groups which led STWC came out of the radicalisation around the anti-Vietnam war campaign in the 1960s - or, in the case of the Communist Party of Britain/Morning Star, in anti-apartheid - and in effect, STWC represented the straightforward politics of nostalgia for the great times of our youth. I am a little bit younger, so I only remember the tail-end of the anti-Vietnam war movement, but that certainly formed the basis of the STWC leaders’ ideas about how to campaign now.

Of course, the reality is that the whole idea of the ‘socialist camp’, and of the ‘anti-imperialist bloc’ as an extension of that, dramatically collapsed after 1991 - after the fall of the Soviet Union and the market turn in China. Once that had gone, all sorts of people who were ‘talking Soviet’ - in the Congress Party in India, in the African National Congress, in the nationalist parties in the ‘third world’ - suddenly stopped doing so and instead started talking liberal. A very dramatic phenomenon and one which the generation of leaders who grew up in the 60s have not really come to grips with yet. What it demonstrates is that the ‘socialist’ form of nationalism was a product of the USSR, and that there is no natural, inherent connection between the nationalism of oppressed countries and the movement of the working class. It was simply the case that the apparent success of ‘socialism in a single country’ had the consequence that for many nationalists in many countries it looked like a good option.

In addition to the politics of nostalgia for the cold war, what is at stake for the organised Marxist left, and the activists trained in it, is dogma. For ‘official’ communists the dogma was that of the ‘socialist camp’, its construction and defence. For Maoists it was the doctrine of ‘surrounding the cities’ on a global scale - meaning the core capitalist countries in the west - by the global ‘countryside’, the ‘third world’. For Trotskyists there is also a tradition. Trotsky in the 1930s argued that Chinese Trotskyists should throw themselves into mobilising on the side of the Kuomintang against Japan, despite a real incomprehension of what the political dynamics were in China, not least the disintegration of the Kuomintang regime. When Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1935, Trotsky made it an issue of principle that revolutionaries should back emperor Haile Selassie - which in reality meant that Trotskyists in Britain should back the client of British imperialism in an inter-imperialist conflict between Britain and Italy. These examples of Trotskyist ‘principled anti-imperialism’, of wishing for the victory of the colonial power, are all in fact examples where Trotsky is entirely failing to grasp the actual political dynamics and the role of inter-imperialist conflict.

Anti-imperialist front

So within this approach there is something common to ‘official’ communism, Maoism and Trotskyism. And, of course, we have to include the SWP within the Trotskyism category, following the ‘Vietnam turn’ of the International Socialists in 1968, when it rejected the principles on which the IS was supposedly founded in 1950 and became a gung-ho enthusiast for Ho Chi Minh.

But behind all three is actually a politics founded on the first four congresses of the Communist International (and for ‘official’ communists the later congresses and the post-war Communist Information Bureau, or Cominform). Behind all of them stand the resolutions and theses of the Congress of Peoples of the East, of the 2nd Congress of the Communist International, and of the 4th Congress of the Communist International, on the national and colonial questions. These drew a sharp line between the nationalism of the oppressor countries, which is unqualifiedly opposed by communists, and the nationalism of oppressed countries, which was seen as providing potential allies for the proletariat.

It was proposed that there be an ‘anti-imperialist united front’ - of the working class, the petty bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie - against imperialism. In fact, this policy was already unable to be implemented even in the 1920s - otherwise than to make the communists bag-carriers for the national bourgeoisie, where they exposed their necks, only to have their heads cut off. This happened in Turkey in the 1920s, which is not much talked about because it was during the time of Lenin and Trotsky - the classical leadership of the Comintern - not the post-Lenin regime. But under the post-Lenin leadership, the same happened in China in 1927: Trotskyists do talk about this, but in reality they do not have an alternative policy. There are many other examples since World War II: the Iraqi Communist Party in the early 1960s, the Indonesian Communist Party in 1965 and, more recently, the Iranian left and its anti-imperialist front with ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who subsequently jailed and executed thousands of them.

If we ask why the policy fails, the underlying reason is perfectly straightforward, and in fact, entirely predictable from Marx’s and Engels’ own writings in the 19th century. That is to say, the class contradiction between the working class and national bourgeoisie of the oppressed countries is stronger than the national contradiction between the bourgeoisie of the oppressed country and the bourgeoisie of the imperialist country. Notice that I am not saying that there is no such thing as imperialism, or that there is no such thing as national oppression: just that the class contradiction tends to be more fundamental, and that consequently the anti-imperialist united front fails.

When has it not failed? It is true that there are cases when it has appeared to have achieved something, but these tend to be when the communist parties were armed to the teeth and backed by the Soviet Union, in connection with the events of World War II and with Soviet geopolitics generally. Cuba wound up as a ‘communist country’, not because it would have done so without the presence of the Soviet Union, but because the Castroites decided to align themselves with the Popular Socialist Party: that is, the Communist Party of Cuba. And for reasons to do with the struggle with the ‘anti-party group’ in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the beginnings of the Sino-Soviet split, Khrushchev manoeuvred to the left in mobilising Soviet support for bringing Cuba into the ‘socialist camp’.

So when we discuss the motivation behind the Comintern policy we have to start with this point: what is at issue at the end of the day is the class-political independence of the working class. The constant element of Marx and Engels, from 1846 - for an early example, the address to Feargus O’Connor in connection with the Chartist election campaigns - is the need for the class-political independence of the working class, the political action of the working class, and the political organisation of the working class. The idea of collaboration with the bourgeois liberals emerged in their line for Germany in 1848 precisely because the working class was so underdeveloped there. By 1850, that conception was abandoned and consistently rejected from then on: the alliance of Bismarck and Lassalle was to be rejected; Louis Blanc’s engagement in a ‘democratic government’ in 1848 was to be rejected. The message in the inaugural address of the First International was the class-political independence of the working class.

Now we come to the question of imperialism. We start with Eduard Bernstein, who engaged in debate with Ernest Belfort Bax in 1896-97 over the question: should socialists support imperialism? Should they support European expansion, because it supposedly had a civilising and progressive effect on the rest of the world?

Bax argued the contrary: that as far as possible capitalism should be kept in narrow confines, because this would cause overproduction to take place much more quickly and cause capitalism to collapse sooner. Bax’s argument was nonsense, but Bernstein in the course of the polemic with him, and then with Parvus which grew out of the Bernstein-Bax debate, found that he could not maintain simultaneously the line of the civilising mission of capitalism in the colonial world, and the idea of the class-political independence of the working class. As a result he broke openly with the idea of the latter.

The anti-imperialist united front was not intended to be a break with the class-political independence of the working class, but in practice it is such a break, because placing a priority on the legitimate concerns of the national bourgeoisie inevitably has the effect of subordinating the movement of the class to the aspirations of the national bourgeoisie. And, like Bernstein, the proponents of this idea after the 1920s are inevitably driven to abandon the conception of the class-political independence of the working class, in favour of the ‘broad anti-monopoly alliance’, the people’s front and similar operations, until we end up with the Eurocommunists saying that all this stuff about class in our programmes is really a bit obsolete, that class has ceased to exist. So how the anti-imperialist united front works is in practice to abandon the class-political independence of the working class. How is it justified?

The answer to this is Lenin’s pamphlet, Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism. Lenin in the beginning of the pamphlet urges caution about it: he says it is a popular outline, and written to pass the censorship. Nonetheless, Imperialism, having reproduced the general scheme of Second International writers prior to 1914, then diverges from them in significant ways.

International capital

The general scheme, just in outline, is that capitalism grows up in the framework of the nation-state. But then it becomes overdeveloped in this framework, and the reason this happens is underconsumption. Because of the great debates about the causes of crisis which took place in the late 1960s and 70s, it is now deeply unorthodox to talk about a secular tendency toward underconsumption as the root of crisis. But the whole of the Second International discussion of imperialism is framed within the idea of such an underconsumptionist view of crisis and a tendency to capitalist stagnation.

The obverse of underconsumption is overproduction, and to deal with this there arise monopolies and cartels to restrict production. The fact that monopolies and cartels restrict production is a reason for supposing that these indicate a decay of capitalism. Following on from this, if there are monopolies and cartels in a national framework, then tariff barriers are needed to protect them from foreign competition. And then, the area included inside these tariff barriers must be increased, the state must expand its territory, and this drives the division of the world by the capitalist great powers.

There are certain sub-themes here which Lenin eliminates. In much of the literature prior to 1914 the relationship between particular capitals and the state is discussed, but Lenin reduces that to two lines in his pamphlet. In the discussion before 1914, there is much debate about the emergence of a world market and the physical internationalisation of production - the extent to which there are flows of raw materials, part-built objects and other output between countries. Lenin completely eliminates discussion of that issue. This decision was not unconnected to the polemic he was engaged in, at the time of writing Imperialism, with the Poles and others about the national question, and the Easter Rising in Ireland.

What replaces these elements of theory in the formulations that he uses is overdevelopment of a few countries - monopolies and monopolisation become absolutely central to his argument. There is now a large degree of polarisation in his account: instead of the division between top-dog countries, middle-rank countries, and colonies and other bottom-rank countries, there is a total bifurcation between a few overdeveloped imperialist countries and a large mass of exploited countries. But equally in domestic politics the pamphlet argues for a division between, on the one hand, the monopolists who control the state and, on the other hand, all the rest. So the alliance between the national bourgeoisie and the working class is already present in Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism. All this is set within the theoretical framework of the general collapse and terminal crisis of capitalism - the ‘highest stage’.

It follows from this set of views that for Comintern it becomes necessary to formulate a strategy similar to the one adopted in Russia - the worker-peasant alliance - but on an international scale, in which the Congress Party in India and other nationalist formations like the Kuomintang in China stand in for the Russian Socialist Revolutionaries as strategic allies of the working class. Lenin has accentuated the features of pre-1914 accounts of imperialism that lead to that conclusion, but in fact the pre-1914 story of the growth of capitalism was rubbish in any case.

For example, the capitalists in the republic of Venice exported capital to sugar plantations in Cyprus, which was a colony of Venice, in the late Middle Ages. The bankers of the republic of Genoa financed sugar plantations on Atlantic islands of one sort and another under Portuguese sovereignty. At the moment the Dutch republic emerged as an independent bourgeois state, the Dutch East India Company embarked on a path of conquest in Asia and elsewhere, and by the conclusion of the 80-year war of Dutch independence in 1648, the Dutch empire already included South Africa, Sri Lanka, part of Indonesia, part of Brazil and exclaves of one sort or another dotted round the world.

The parliamentary New Model Army is victorious in the English Civil War, the king is executed, and the New Model Army immediately begins a campaign of conquest - which starts in Scotland and Ireland, but extends by the 1650s to operations in the Caribbean, leading to the conquest of Jamaica. By the time we get to 1689-1713, the British state is engaged in a global conquest for power. Some have said that the Napoleonic wars should be regarded as World War I, but it is just as true to say that the wars between 1689 and 1713 could be seen as the first world war, the Seven Years War as the second, and the Napoleonic wars as the third, and so on. The social dynamic that created the world wars we know was already in operation long before 1914.

We ask then, when was there a time when there was a free-trading, liberal capitalism - a capitalism that did not have tariff barriers, that did not have monopolisation, that did not have the export of capital and finance capitalist operations? Where does this idea come from? The answer to this explains why CPGB comrades have translated and published Kautsky’s text from 1898 in the form of Karl Kautsky on colonialism. The text is frankly dreadful. But it is precisely because he is the person who did history in the Second International that Kautsky’s writing on the history of imperialism was taken as authoritative, and therefore also taken on by Lenin, who was really just recapitulating what was standard orthodoxy at the time.

Lenin was really just taking the standard line of the Second International, and so he assumes that there once was a non-imperialist capitalism. It is Kautsky who actually argues that there is such a thing, that industrial capital does not have an interest in protectionism, in empire, and that the early modern empires are pre-capitalist. But reality shows us that many, although not all, were capitalist. The Spanish in Latin America, to the extent that they went beyond mere looting, attempted to create feudal regimes. But the Portuguese in south Asia, and the Dutch and British, created capitalist empires.

It is also worth reprinting Kautsky because there are two sides of the coin. On the one hand, there are people who want an anti-imperialist united front - and therefore suppress dissent toward the Iranian regime, big up anyone who is opposed to American-led imperialism and think in a nationalistic way about these questions. They see the nationalist movement as the necessary uprising of the petty bourgeoisie and the collapse of capitalism, and ‘know’ this because imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, and because once upon a time there was a nationalist, democratic capitalism, whereas now there are monopolies and cartels and therefore capitalism has reached its limits.

But it is equally true of the other side of this debate: the Eustonites, the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty and Platypus (I have to be cautious about the Platypus comrades, because it is very difficult to tell what they believe). The idea of a non-imperialist capitalism functions for these people as an extraordinary illusion, so that when the United States engages in warlike operations in the Middle East what it is actually doing is bringing capitalist modernity. Compare Bill Warren’s 1970s book Imperialism, pioneer of capitalism.

And there is a contradiction. For millions of people, 19th century England was the home of liberty; it was the most libertarian, most constitutional, most liberal country. That is incredibly visible in Kautsky’s writing - he really believes that England is this great liberal country.

But then, on the other hand, here is Marx on the Indian mutiny, where ‘there is such a thing as retribution’:


However infamous the conduct of the Sepoys, it is only the reflex, in a concentrated form, of England’s own conduct in India, not only during the epoch of the foundation of her eastern empire, but even during the last 10 years of a long-settled rule. To characterise that rule, it suffices to say that torture formed an organic instrument of its financial policy. There is something in human history like retribution ...1

The illusion exists, but what is the reality? The United States claims that it is going into Iraq to create a parliamentary state, and what does it actually do? It goes into alliance with Shia parties based in the mosque and linked to the Iranian Islamic Republic. The United States sees the Arab spring and how does it react? It goes into an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and its equivalents elsewhere. The great centre of liberty turns out, when it intervenes in other parts of the world, to operate torture and tyranny itself, to side with torturers and tyrants, and inevitably to promote the most socially conservative forces.

Emancipation

Back to the fundamental politics: for communists and Marxists, the route to the emancipation of humanity comes through the emancipation of the working class, the proletariat, as a class. Why is that the case? The answer is again, to be found in Marx: the division of labour and property rights are two sides of the same coin, which we can see in the SWP right now. What is Alex Callinicos defending? I do not think he is defending the right of ‘comrade Delta’ to hypothetically commit rape or anything like that. What he is defending is his own property rights as an entrenched leader.

The emancipation of labour through a return to family production is impossible simply because technical development has made it so. It is also objectively reactionary because of the role of women and youth - family production comes with patriarchy in its classical sense. The route forward out of capitalism therefore goes through the wage relation, through no-one earning anything more than a wage, and the universal right to access to political decision-making - clinging to the right to manage, the right to a political career, is no different in principle at all to clinging to your own small workshop, your own little farm.

The emancipation of the working class is the emancipation of all humanity, because it can only be achieved by laying collective hands on the whole interlocking process of production, and it is only possible to do that by winning the battle for political democracy. If there is no political democracy, the rights of president Lassalle, as the elected president-with-absolute-powers of the General Association of German Workers, or, for that matter, of Hugo Chávez, or of George Galloway as the particularly notorious leader of Respect, are just property rights. The emancipation of the working class involves laying hands on the whole interlocking process of production, and that implies winning political democracy on an international scale.

Eustonism, ‘democratic imperialism’, simultaneously asserts democracy and denies democracy. It asserts democracy in apologetics, but it denies democracy as soon as it assumes the right to tell the Iranians or the Libyans or whoever what to do. Left versions assert the prospect of the emancipation of the working class, and simultaneously deny it.

The same is obviously true of the anti-imperialist united front policy: it simultaneously asserts the possibility of communism and - by setting up the local tyrant as somehow preferable to the global tyrant - denies it. And it is this simultaneous assertion and denial of a possibility of an alternative to capitalism which has the consequence that the ‘anti-imperialism’ of STWC and the SWP reduces itself to declining numbers of the usual suspects.

It is a politics that had some meaning when the Soviet Union was still in existence during the cold war. After the fall of the Soviet Union, it can only represent a retreat into ever decreasing circles.

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Notes

1. ‘The Indian revolt’ (1857): www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/09/16.htm.

GerrardWinstanley
26th March 2013, 14:30
If by 'Iranian dissidents' the author means Maryam Namazie and co, then this isn't a legitimate grievance. She leads the UK chapter of the Islamophobic Council of Ex-Muslims and tends to blame Hamas just as much as Israel for the bloodshed in Cast Lead and late last year. It's only right that imperialist reactionaries like Namazie are not considered welcome in the Stop the War Coalition (that doesn't mean she's not welcome to participate in demonstrations in her usual capacity).

Devil's advocate - aren't the folks at the Weekly Worker the real dogmatists here? Recommending inaction and inertia on the basis of high falutin' convictions while criticising others for actually getting out there and taking part in direct action? Yes, two million people protesting in London failed to stop Blair going to war. But that says more about the obstinate imperiousness of Blair's government than the weakness of the movement. Consider the fact that in 2001 at the time of the formation of the STWC, the idea that going to war in Afghanistan was folly was something unmentionable in the respectable press. Now even somebody like Simon Jenkins can say 'no fly zone' is a euphemism for in Libya without generating much controversy. This was the strength of the movement. To bring anti-war ideas mainstream. Who is to say the present government wouldn't directly intervening in Syria right now if the general public hadn't become so deeply sceptical and disillusioned with Britain's imperial misadventures?

Q
27th March 2013, 12:11
If by 'Iranian dissidents' the author means Maryam Namazie and co, then this isn't a legitimate grievance. She leads the UK chapter of the Islamophobic Council of Ex-Muslims and tends to blame Hamas just as much as Israel for the bloodshed in Cast Lead and late last year. It's only right that imperialist reactionaries like Namazie are not considered welcome in the Stop the War Coalition (that doesn't mean she's not welcome to participate in demonstrations in her usual capacity).
I'm not sure who is referred to before HOPI's exclusion from STWC. You could send in a letter asking about it?


Devil's advocate - aren't the folks at the Weekly Worker the real dogmatists here? Recommending inaction and inertia on the basis of high falutin' convictions while criticising others for actually getting out there and taking part in direct action?
I don't think that is the main point of the article at all. The main point is more that, yes you can be active, but for what? Do our activities make sense?


Yes, two million people protesting in London failed to stop Blair going to war. But that says more about the obstinate imperiousness of Blair's government than the weakness of the movement.
So, the fact that Blair could be obstinate says nothing at all about the programme of those mass marches? It says nothing about the effectiveness of their actions?


Consider the fact that in 2001 at the time of the formation of the STWC, the idea that going to war in Afghanistan was folly was something unmentionable in the respectable press. Now even somebody like Simon Jenkins can say 'no fly zone' is a euphemism for in Libya without generating much controversy. This was the strength of the movement. To bring anti-war ideas mainstream. Who is to say the present government wouldn't directly intervening in Syria right now if the general public hadn't become so deeply sceptical and disillusioned with Britain's imperial misadventures?
How much of this can be credited to STWC though and not just to the complete failures of imperialist policies in themselves? Again, this basic point is made by the article.

Jimmie Higgins
27th March 2013, 13:26
This article seems to confuse and conflate different politics into this one umbrella, some of the criticism are not far off, but would also be held by people who support such formations. A coalition like this - my familiarity is with the US coalitions UFPJ and ANSWER - is intended to be broad, but then the author here uses broadness of a coailition to go after groups within that coalition that have differeing perspectives - particularly on the question of "enemy of my enemy..." type formulations.

But mainly it doesn't seem to provide any alternative strategy. Build the class movement? Well radicals who participate in these kinds of things - both ones with politics I might agree with and ones I don't - see this as part of how you build that class struggle, organizing workers who reject the jingoism of their home empire, siding with the Iraqi population over the domestic ruling class.

I have political, stratigic, and organizational criticisms of the similar formations in the US, but based mostly because the anti-war movement really empasized building the demonstrations rather than a broader effort to organize in locations and organize based on concrete war-issues impacting workers domestically: building marchers, not organizers essentially.

Lord Hargreaves
27th March 2013, 15:26
The article sets up the strawman that anti-imperialists merely support the "local tyrant" against the "global tyrant". But when has this seriously been the case? It sounds like the neo-cons who tried to portray activists against the Iraq war as Saddam Hussein worshipers. It just seems to me, as I said, such a complete strawman.

And even if it was the case that anti-imperialists lionize third world tin pot dictators who stand in opposition to global imperialism, how much does that really matter? I see it as a regrettable, but perhaps inevitable, tendency within any kind of social movement to oppose a war.

The sheer amount of bile heaped upon world leaders who don't "tow the line" is such that anyone who tries to talk about them (let's say, the leadership in Iran) with any kind of objectivity and sanity, is going to get smeared to high heaven in shit. Should that shit flung our way be allowed to derail our whole critique of imperialism? No. I just think we're going to have to live with it, and build a mass movement any way we can.

Noa Rodman
27th March 2013, 15:38
The answer to this explains why CPGB comrades have translated and published Kautsky’s text from 1898 in the form of Karl Kautsky on colonialism. The text is frankly dreadful.

Macnair misreads the text (part 1 (http://library.fes.de/cgi-bin/neuzeit.pl?id=07.02926&dok=1897-98a&f=189798a_0769&l=189798a_0781&c=189798a_0769) and part 2 (http://library.fes.de/cgi-bin/neuzeit.pl?id=07.02932&dok=1897-98a&f=189798a_0801&l=189798a_0816&c=189798a_0801), together 25 pages in Die Neue Zeit, but the translation appears close to 100 pages) as Kautsky being pro-English in stating the fact that industrial capitalists in England didn't consider it beneficial for them to conquer colonies, protectionism, etc. , probably because Macnair himself lives in England. Kautsky is not pro-English, but anti-anti-Manchestertum. At the time France, Germany and Russia denounce Macherstertum for all the evils of the world. So Kautsky's text explains that not only are they (the merely anti-English imperialists of the time) the reactionaries, they even don't benefit from their own protectionist policy.

Lord Hargreaves
27th March 2013, 15:38
Its almost a situation where class struggle is now the "clean" topic, because we aren't talking about hundreds of thousands of people dying in catastrophic wars that our governments have caused. Trade unionism is a "cleaner" topic than having to talk about car bombs that kill US soldiers and Hamas firing rockets at civilians. Thus we should "play it safe" so as not to scare people off.

Perhaps I'm taking complete BS now, so if you want to shoot me down that's fine... but sometimes I get this feeling in my gut

CyM
28th March 2013, 00:54
While I'm all for criticizing the opportunism of the "anti-war" left, I think the man needs to actually read Trotsky before trying to tie him to this unmarxist deviation.

There is no way to relate Trotsky's position on the Kuomintang to the Respect coalition nonsense. For one, Trotsky spent decades arguing against thw popular front, beginning first with China!

It is not always the fault of the dead theoretician you know. In this case, they betrayed everything he stood for.

Q
28th March 2013, 09:57
Macnair misreads the text (part 1 (http://library.fes.de/cgi-bin/neuzeit.pl?id=07.02926&dok=1897-98a&f=189798a_0769&l=189798a_0781&c=189798a_0769) and part 2 (http://library.fes.de/cgi-bin/neuzeit.pl?id=07.02932&dok=1897-98a&f=189798a_0801&l=189798a_0816&c=189798a_0801), together 25 pages in Die Neue Zeit, but the translation appears close to 100 pages) as Kautsky being pro-English in stating the fact that industrial capitalists in England didn't consider it beneficial for them to conquer colonies, protectionism, etc. , probably because Macnair himself lives in England. Kautsky is not pro-English, but anti-anti-Manchestertum. At the time France, Germany and Russia denounce Macherstertum for all the evils of the world. So Kautsky's text explains that not only are they (the merely anti-English imperialists of the time) the reactionaries, they even don't benefit from their own protectionist policy.
That is actually an interesting point of view. I strongly recommend sending in a letter!


While I'm all for criticizing the opportunism of the "anti-war" left, I think the man needs to actually read Trotsky before trying to tie him to this unmarxist deviation.

There is no way to relate Trotsky's position on the Kuomintang to the Respect coalition nonsense. For one, Trotsky spent decades arguing against thw popular front, beginning first with China!

It is not always the fault of the dead theoretician you know. In this case, they betrayed everything he stood for.
While that may be true, I note that Macnair is an ex-Trotskyist that was a member of the IMG in the seventies and, I believe, eighties. So simply saying "he should read Trotsky" is too cheap of a critique.

Noa Rodman
28th March 2013, 19:36
Macnair does mention the anti-English imperialism of Lensch, Cunow etc. in the Q&A, from minute 55.30 - 57.30 http://vimeo.com/61618080

The reproach to Kautsky (by Radek, Lensch, Lenin) boils down to him not accepting the "necessity" of imperialism, of allegedly holding out an alternative non-imperialist capitalism (the difference with Radek&co. is that Macnair just says it never existed). On this the whole Radek-Kautsky/revolution-reformism break centers. I don't think that I'm the only one who finds there is little to learn from it (theoretically or politically).

Delenda Carthago
29th March 2013, 00:30
Anti-imperialist? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/imperialism-imperialist-pyramid-t179606/index.html)

Noa Rodman
29th March 2013, 22:53
Anti-imperialist? (http://www.revleft.com/vb/imperialism-imperialist-pyramid-t179606/index.html)

It makes a good point against Germany bashing, but regarding Kautsky it's just the same old [not that I want to shut down the debate, on the contrary I encourage deeper research, e.g. there was a 70 page text in Under the Banner of Marxism by Э. Лейкин: Каутскианство в теории империализма (из теоретической эволюции с.-д. центра) .— «Под знаменем марксизма», 1926, No 11, 12.] The KKE also makes a mistake:
We remind ourselves that Kautsky regards as enemy merely a section of capital, industrial capital which follows an imperialist policy and attacks primarily on rural areas and thus it creates an imbalance between the development of industry and agriculture. It is an allegedly structural deviation.
hmm, I think for Kautsky it was finance capital which is war-prone.


But the position that capital export was directed exclusively to rural areas was not borne out even in the period when Kautsky was at the height of his glory. In that period too the policy of the so called annexations that used finance capital as a lever affected industrial areas as well. Why is there never a quotation of what Kautsky wrote. If I remember I think he even specifically showed the great part of trade is with other industrial countries, not colonies (which were rather a financial burden, e.g. it ruined Italy).
http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1911/xx/finance.htm (Industry and Agriculture)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1914/09/war.htm

CyM
30th March 2013, 01:06
While that may be true, I note that Macnair is an ex-Trotskyist that was a member of the IMG in the seventies and, I believe, eighties. So simply saying "he should read Trotsky" is too cheap of a critique.
Good for him. It takes a very unique individual to spend decades as a Trotskyist and still think Trotsky stood for popular frontism.

If this is true, Macnair was precisely the kind of "follower" of Trotsky that I am arguing misunderstood the man and gave him a bad name. He is not criticizing Trotsky, he is criticizing the fourth after Trotsky, which was a cesspool that had nothing to do with the man.

Q
30th March 2013, 13:20
Good for him. It takes a very unique individual to spend decades as a Trotskyist and still think Trotsky stood for popular frontism.

If this is true, Macnair was precisely the kind of "follower" of Trotsky that I am arguing misunderstood the man and gave him a bad name. He is not criticizing Trotsky, he is criticizing the fourth after Trotsky, which was a cesspool that had nothing to do with the man.

I'll look forward to your letter/article with your critique in the Weekly Worker. Or are you the kind of leftist that only talks about comrades behind their backs? It's easy to make some cheap remarks, much harder to engage.

CyM
30th March 2013, 20:57
I'll look forward to your letter/article with your critique in the Weekly Worker. Or are you the kind of leftist that only talks about comrades behind their backs? It's easy to make some cheap remarks, much harder to engage.
I'm not looking for a pointless polemic. But I'm willing to pick at the text if you'd like.

My aim is not to insult, and this is not personal.

However, this text shows a very sloppy mind. It starts with legitimately attacking the popular frontism of the anti-war movement.

Then it tries, and fails, to connect Trotsky to this popular frontism, using the most tenuous example: Trotsky calling for defence of China against Japan.

Then it goes even further back and tries to blame it on Lenin, completely botching the analysis of Lenin's Imperialism. Somehow it blames Lenin' analysis of cartels and concentration of capital and the fusion between finance capital and the state. Apparently this is the original sin that implies it is acceptable to work with bourgeois, because if there was once a "non-imperialist" capitalism, then we can ally with national bourgeois against imperialism.

All of this for what?

Macnair makes very little effort, never bothering once to quote either Trotsky or Lenin to display any kind of connection to the sellout positions of the SWP and others like it. Later he goes further into strange non-Marxist side remarks about the leaders of the SWP being property owners in relation to the organization? Very odd. Then tries to jump from that to say without democracy, Chavez and Galloway are property owners over the movement?

There is just nothing useful in this article.

Ok, so what is the concrete position that the working class should take in relation to the war in Afghanistan, or Iraq? Or a future invasion of Venezuela?

Is it possible to oppose imperialist intervention without backing the national bourgeois?

Macnair's entire article is confused, and answered far in advanced in Trotsky's Permanent Revolution.

But again, Macnair wouldn't need to be writing this article if the "Trotskyist" movement he was once a part of and now criticizes actually did any sort of political education. I suspect very few in those organizations have any idea what Trotsky stood for.

And Macnair's unfounded slur on Trotsky proves that has been the case for decades.

Noa Rodman
30th March 2013, 22:00
This is not to defend Macnair, but the text seems to be a transcription of a pub talk (the video I linked). His off the cuff remark that Kautsky's text is "frankly dreadful" provoked protest from some audience member, so he was being rather, well, off the cuff. But as regards Kautsky so is everyone else. I don't get what is the gain to dismiss Kautsky (it seems for Macnair like a remnant of his Trotskyism quote unquote). Not surprisingly Trotsky himself was accused by Stalinism of holding to the "Kautskyist theory of imperialism". Not that it was exclusive to Stalinism. In the person of Bukharin it was in turn itself accused by the Democratic Centralist Smirnov of recognizing "Kautsky's theory": http://libcom.org/library/critique-comintern-program-vladimir-smirnov

I already look at the point beyond defending Kautsky on imperialism against "Leninists". The political attitude of Kautsky in 1909-1914 of 'passiveness' I find fits with today's left communism (the lefts at the time seem to be like activisty/maoist types who believe they themselves can spark the revolution).

Q
30th March 2013, 22:45
I'm not looking for a pointless polemic.

[snip a whole load of behind-the-back attacks again]
I could point you toward videos/articles where he goes into this more indepth (he has been developing this narrative for years now), but I guess that would remain a waste of time. So let's just stop pretending we're discussing, as the only goal you seem to have is to avoid that people might get interested, by spewing out uninformed rants about how wrong Macnair is on this or that.

black magick hustla
30th March 2013, 23:10
The article sets up the strawman that anti-imperialists merely support the "local tyrant" against the "global tyrant". But when has this seriously been the case? It sounds like the neo-cons who tried to portray activists against the Iraq war as Saddam Hussein worshipers. It just seems to me, as I said, such a complete strawman.



have u read workers world? some of the wacko "anti-imps" really like licking boots for some reason

CyM
30th March 2013, 23:19
I could point you toward videos/articles where he goes into this more indepth (he has been developing this narrative for years now), but I guess that would remain a waste of time. So let's just stop pretending we're discussing, as the only goal you seem to have is to avoid that people might get interested, by spewing out uninformed rants about how wrong Macnair is on this or that.
My point is, I'm not interested in a newspaper polemic with Macnair, it would be an irrelevant discussion and a waste of time.

If Macnair shows up here, or does a public event in my town, I will bring it up myself.

But you are being disingenuous by characterizing my criticisms as "behind the back". This is a public forum, and I am airing my criticisms publicly.

Nothing Macnair said shows any knowledge of the intense splits over this issue in the movement in Lenin and Trotsky's time. This is what bolshevism split from menshevism over, this is what the theory of the permanent revolution vs two stagism is about, this is what Trotsky critiqued the poum for in spain, the stalinists in china with the kuomintang, etc...

I completely agree with him that the anti-war movement saw a real betrayal, with popular frontism and so on, but this has no bearing on Lenin or Trotsky, whose actions were defined by their unwavering opposition to the bourgeoisie.

And, if you would honour us with your thoughts instead of just posting an article, I would be interested in hearing what you think the point of it is? I don't see anything here that is a concrete answer as to what to do when war breaks out? It is a confused mess.

Perhaps you have something more concrete?

Die Neue Zeit
31st March 2013, 22:44
Now that my break is over, I must say that I find some of the material in that article to be very, very questionable.

1) It fails to discuss the very real situation of proletarian demographic minorities, and the appropriate strategy.

2) It's too critical of Lassalle's organizing. How CPGB comrade Mike Macnair lumps "the alliance of Bismarck and Lassalle" with "Louis Blanc’s engagement in a ‘democratic government’ in 1848" and other "collaboration with the bourgeois liberals" is beyond me.

3) Regarding Kautsky beating Hobson on imperialism theory:


It is Kautsky who actually argues that there is such a thing, that industrial capital does not have an interest in protectionism, in empire, and that the early modern empires are pre-capitalist.

What Macnair doesn't seem to know is that "non-imperialist capitalism" back in the day also had the very real problem of tackling rent-seeking / economic rent. This formed much of the debates in classical political economy. Marx back then mentioned the synthesis of "feudal monopoly" and bourgeois-capitalist competition being "modern monopoly," and this is tied to the economic rent problem.

Even on the subject of tariff barriers, which economist Michael Hudson has delved into for his populist "new road to serfdom" line, there's a difference between imperialist tariff barriers and non-imperialist ones (strictly for internal development). A contemporary example of the former is all that fat of the EU-wide agricultural subsidies, which in turn facilitate food exports that in turn choke African economies.

4) That whole last section is a caricature, suggesting that the late Hugo Chavez, whatever his very real shortcomings, was a "local tyrant."



P.S. - My letter on the national petit-bourgeoisie, a direct response to this very mixed article, wasn't published, and given the new Left Unity situation in the UK, I have diverted my efforts to that development.

Noa Rodman
3rd April 2013, 22:56
All Die Neue Zeit issues from during the war (begin from vol.32 bd.2, 1913/14) are available here: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007392254

He wrote a lot on the imperialism issue. I would try to collect all his writings into 1 document but its too much; perhaps I'll make a translation of just the titles. Check each table of contents to find Kautsky's articles (also by other people of course, e.g. Eckstein and Hilferding).

edit; for comrade DNZ's sake, he also wrote articles on tax policy.

Die Neue Zeit
4th April 2013, 05:46
Comrade, I'm curious about how much Kautsky, whether Marxist or renegade, knew about tax policy as argued in classical political economy, specifically the problem of economic rent.

Anyway, comrade Macnair discounted tax policy in his criticism of Kautsky's pioneering work outlining imperialism for Marxists.

Q
4th April 2013, 20:38
A letter from comrade Creegan commenting on Macnair's piece:


Anti-imperialism
Next to leading the October revolution, perhaps Lenin’s greatest contribution to Marxism was to place the communist movement squarely on the side of the other great revolutionary current of the 20th century: the revolt of the colonial and semi-colonial masses against their oppressors. The Comintern’s position on the national question was based upon the proposition that a movement that opposes the division of society into classes must also fight against the division of the world into dominant and subject nations.

In a recent article, Mike Macnair calls into question the value of Lenin’s contribution (‘No inherent connection with the working class (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/954/anti-imperialist-united-front-no-inherent-connection-with-the-working-class)’, March 21). He argues that Lenin’s belief that imperialism was the final stage of capitalism led him to regard the national bourgeoisie of underdeveloped countries, barred from becoming top-tier world capitalists by huge imperialist monopolies, as ‘natural allies’ of the proletariat, with whom it was possible to form ‘strategic alliances’. Lenin’s reasoning, Macnair claims, forms the basis of the ‘anti-imperialist united front’ that dominated communist thinking throughout the 20th century, and continues shape the attitudes of anti-imperialist movements today.

I won’t attempt to evaluate Macnair’s larger argument concerning Lenin’s thinking on imperialism. I must, however, take exception to his misrepresentations of the position of Lenin, Trotsky and the early Comintern on national and colonial questions - a surprising error on the part of someone so thoroughly steeped in the history of the socialist movement. Macnair considers Comintern policy to be the theoretical basis for the class collaboration of later years and decades, which led to such disasters as the Shanghai massacre of 1927 and Indonesian bloodbath of 1965, as well as the fount of more recent leftwing infatuations with third-world figures like Khomeini, Chávez and Ahmadinejad. This is like blaming Lenin for Stalin and Pol Pot.

Early Comintern formulations on the anti-imperialist struggle were admittedly ambiguous. The term ‘anti-imperialist united front’ could be construed to mean either short-term tactical combinations with the national bourgeoisie, or a longer-term strategic alliance. The Comintern nevertheless insisted on the strict programmatic and organisational independence of communist parties in countries of belated development. Its policies were completely incompatible with either prolonged communist membership in bourgeois nationalist parties - of the kind that led to the massacre of thousands of Chinese workers at the hands of the Kuomintang - or joining with such parties in governing coalitions - as did the Indonesian communists prior to their sanguinary downfall. Nor did the Comintern ever assist in puffing up the populist pretensions of third-world strongmen.

In response to the 1927 Shanghai debacle, Trotsky for the first time generalised his theory of permanent revolution to include the underdeveloped world as a whole. He also attempted to resolve lingering ambiguities concerning the anti-imperialist united front. His writings on China are an extended polemic against the notion of any kind of strategic alliance of the proletariat with the national bourgeoisie. He argues that communist collaboration must be restricted to short-term tactical agreements, usually in situations of military conflict between imperialist powers and the peoples and governments of subject nations. Under these circumstances, Trotsky thought it advantageous for communists and nationalists to agree to point their guns at their more powerful common enemy rather than at each other.

Should the nationalists renege, and join the imperialists in firing upon communists (as has happened many times), the latter could seize the opportunity to expose the local bourgeoisie as betrayers of the cause of national emancipation to which they claim to be committed, and to which communists must be genuinely committed, where national oppression exists. If the national question eclipses class struggle in the eyes of the masses, which it invariably does among oppressed nations and peoples, it is the task of communists to prove to the masses in practice - not merely to proclaim in words - that the path to the nation’s freedom runs through proletarian revolution. Military support, in other words, is a tactic for undermining the leadership of the national bourgeoisie, not, as interpreted by Stalinists and others, an invitation for long-term collaboration until the far-off day of national deliverance. It was conceived as a means of cashing in, not as an excuse for selling out.

The CBGB has difficulty with the tactic of military, as opposed to political, support. You claim that communists should oppose bourgeois nationalists and imperialists equally alike. Macnair argues that Trotsky was mistaken when he called for the defence of Abyssinia in the Italian invasion of 1935-36 because the country’s emperor, Haile Selassie, was subservient to the British. But I have often wondered how the CPGB thinks Marxists should have acted with regard to anti-colonial revolts.

Several years ago, I wrote an article in this paper criticising James Connolly for joining the Easter Rising in Dublin on nationalist, as opposed to revolutionary socialist, terms. But do the CPGB think he should not have joined at all? Are you suggesting that Lenin was wrong in siding with the rebels of 1916 against the British empire, or that Karl Radek, the then Luxemburgist against whom Lenin waged a polemic, was right in regarding the rising as a diversion from the class struggle? Should Connolly and his Irish Citizen Army have been neutral? Should Algerian and French communists in the 1950s have even-handedly denounced the French government and the FLN? The Macnair-CPGB position is badly in need of clarification on this score.

The national question is posed today in terms quite different from those of the early Comintern era. The kinds of countries it mainly involves - eg, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela - are not typically colonies or semi-colonies (in addition to the fact that none contain communist parties of any size, which gives the whole discussion a rather abstract character). Yet these states have been historically consigned to a subordinate place within the American/European-dominated hierarchy of states. For stepping out of line, they are beset by economic sanctions, coup attempts, military threats and - in the case of Iraq - an actual invasion.

These regimes may be enemies of the working class, but they are hardly enemies equal in strength to imperialism, as the masses of these countries are keenly aware. The slogan of revolutionary defeatism on both sides is oddly inappropriate when applied to adversaries so unevenly matched. To align oneself on the field of battle with a weaker foe to defeat a stronger one, in order to defeat the weaker one later, seems a matter of tactical common sense, theories of imperialism aside.

Jim Creegan
New York

Lev Bronsteinovich
4th April 2013, 22:44
It was proposed that there be an ‘anti-imperialist united front’ - of the working class, the petty bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie - against imperialism. In fact, this policy was already unable to be implemented even in the 1920s - otherwise than to make the communists bag-carriers for the national bourgeoisie, where they exposed their necks, only to have their heads cut off. This happened in Turkey in the 1920s, which is not much talked about because it was during the time of Lenin and Trotsky - the classical leadership of the Comintern - not the post-Lenin regime. But under the post-Lenin leadership, the same happened in China in 1927: Trotskyists do talk about this, but in reality they do not have an alternative policy. There are many other examples since World War II: the Iraqi Communist Party in the early 1960s, the Indonesian Communist Party in 1965 and, more recently, the Iranian left and its anti-imperialist front with ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who subsequently jailed and executed thousands of them.

Agreed that this policy is a bad one. But to say the Left Opposition had no alternative policy to the Comintern's in 1927 is simply false. The policy, in fact the principle was one of class independence. The leadership of the CCP in the 20s initially opposed the policy of deep entry into the Guomindang (KMT). This policy led to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of communist militants. In fact, Chaing was clinking toasts in Moscow as some of the carnage was going on. Just as the Bolsheviks maintained an organization completely independent of the Kadets, they remained independent of the conciliationist left, including the Mensheviks and SRs.

There was a wing of the Bolsheviks, including Stalin, Kamenev, and Zinoviev that was ready, after the February Revolution to support the Provisional Government and fuse with the Mensheviks. This, of course, was spiked by Lenin (see "The April Theses"). Stalin was very quiet after that, but Zinoviev and Kamenev opposed the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks, and later were ready to hand power back to a coalition of "socialist" parties.

Today, Trotskyists (and here I mean the so-called ortho trots, of the ICL, IG, BT, and Revolutionary Regroupment) all have a clear line against class collaboration in these circumstances -- nothing resembling this mistaken CI policy.

As a note, regarding the Iranian "Revolution" -- one group had a clear and correct analysis at the time, the International Spartacist Tendency (today the ICL). Their analysis was precisely correct -- Khomeini represented vicious reaction -- my enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend. The rest of the left tailed Khomeini. I remember reading an article in the US SWPs newspaper, the Militant, how the veil, that instrument of women's oppression, was actually a symbol of anti-imperialism. Gaaaaaak.

Anyway, I think MacNair is either pretty igonrant, or a very cynical bloke.

commieathighnoon
5th April 2013, 15:58
Except Jim Creegan ignores this, which Macnair's credit, he doesn't:

http://home.earthlink.net/~lrgoldner/turkey.html


“All information on the situation in Khiva, in Persia, in Bukhara and in Afghanistan confirm the fact that a Soviet revolution in these countries is going to cause us major difficulties at the present time…Until the situation in the West is stabilized and until our industries and transport systems have improved, a Soviet expansion in the east could prove to be no less dangerous than a war in the West…a potential Soviet revolution in the east is today to our advantage principally as an important element in diplomatic relations with England. From this I conclude that: 1) in the east we should devote ourselves to political and educational work…and at the same time advise all possible caution in actions calculated to require our military support, or which might require it; 2) we have to continue by all possible channels at our disposal to arrive at an understanding with England about the east.”

Leon Trotsky

Secret memo to Lenin,

Zinoviev et al. June 1920

Noa Rodman
7th April 2013, 11:43
tax policy as argued in classical political economy, specifically the problem of economic rent.
Basically he was against state monopolies.

Die Neue Zeit
7th April 2013, 18:25
I beg your pardon? If anything else, comrade, state monopoly is the optimal route to socializing appropriate rent-seeking and scrapping inappropriate rent-seeking. Take, for example, public ownership of land and rental tenure legally over all land and land value taxation.

No wonder Lenin polemicized against Kautsky's later advocacy of breaking up trusts and all that.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
7th April 2013, 22:21
When is rent-seeking ever appropriate? :confused:

Die Neue Zeit
8th April 2013, 03:37
The Soviet state owned the land, but according to comrade Cockshott, didn't charge appropriate land value taxation on it:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/european-economic-transition-t129546/index.html


Socialist states have usually nationalised land, but have not always charged a rent for using the land. In the case of mineral extraction this made no difference, since this was done by state enterprises and rent would just have been a fictitious transfer between sections of the state. Failure to charge agricultural rents to farms will, however, accentuate differences in income between fertile and less fertile agricultural regions.

It's not just agricultural and mineral land, either. If there are personal residencies atop the underlying state-owned land, there's the risk of de facto speculation on the underlying land when the houses are bought or sold.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
9th April 2013, 09:13
And pray tell, what is a Socialist state?

Besides, that quote has nothing to do with 'appropriate rent-seeking'; there is nothing appropriate, from a Marxian point of view, in replacing rent-seeking by the private bourgeoisie with rent-seeking by the state bourgeoisie.

It's crazy you can get away with saying shit like that. You are basically justifying State Capitalism against any revolutionary activity. Rent-seeking behaviour is unique to exploitative forms of production; it has been the basis of the exploitative nature of Capitalism, Feudalism and slave-based societies. Rent extraction is the ONE thing you really need to be against as a Socialist, and you fail on even that count.

Noa Rodman
13th April 2013, 15:59
CPGB's James Turley at Platypus Concention on the panel What is Imperialism? (What Now?) repeats Macnair's rejection of Kautsky's non-imperialist English industrial capital, which is based on a reference by Macnair to Marx on the English in India. rudkMatQfAQ

I don't think this challenges Kautsky (and Lenin). Just search 'India' through the Kautsky texts on MIA, e.g. (http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1900/08/world.htm):
England made her Colonies from time to time greater concessions; only in the possessions of the East India Company did the old method of colonial government remain and remains partly - even to-day.

Die Neue Zeit
13th April 2013, 17:08
Isn't it the standard left-com position that capitalism is inherently imperialist, that every capitalist country is imperialist? :glare:

Noa Rodman
13th April 2013, 18:48
Certainly Kautsky made fun of Radek for writing so (trying to prove the imperialism of Switzerland). I think the left-com position of mass action against imperialism at the time as symbolized in Gorter's Imperialism, the World War and Social Democracy (http://marxists.org/archive/gorter/1914/imperialism.htm) was approved by other Tribune members/all communists, and only later one critic scathingly reviewed it (translation here (http://libcom.org/library/herman-gorters-imperialism-world-war-social-democracy-vladimir-sarabjanov)). Btw, how can you oppose Luxemburg's mass action in her pre-war debate with Kautsky and critique Kautsky for... not advocating mass action in case of war? Perhaps it's an inconsistency or weakness in Lenin?
Gorter also made the typical ICC argument of trade union and parliamentary means good before 1914, bad after 1914. In the specific pamphlet though there is still this:

The difference between us and the syndicalists and anarchosyndicalists is as follows: in the parliamentary struggle, we have seen and still see a powerful weapon, the same as in the political struggle, the proletarian struggle which embraces everything. This is so, naturally, as long as the struggle is waged in a strictly revolutionary way and in harmony and cooperation with mass action. [There is also one other difference: etc]

Die Neue Zeit
13th April 2013, 19:10
It's not inconsistency at all. Luxemburg conflated mass action in a revolutionary period with mass action before such, and the inherently sectarian organization of her SDKPiL (http://revleft.com/vb/macnair-luxemburgs-heroic-t174370/index.html) didn't help. Kautsky failed the revolutionary gambit.

It's no surprise there are left-com arguments borrowing from Luxemburg when debating that not-so-revolutionary-period of May 1968 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/pcfs-role-may-t138705/index.html).

Noa Rodman
13th April 2013, 21:04
So if a revolutionary situation existed in 1909-1914 then how can you avoid siding with the criticism of Kautsky by Luxemburg/Pannekoek, how can you think Kautsky failed the revolutionary gambit, and not be an advocate of mass action? I think there is the same question in V. Sarabjanov's review (http://libcom.org/library/herman-gorters-imperialism-world-war-social-democracy-vladimir-sarabjanov)of Gorter's book:
"If these workers groups (we are, "left"! V.S.) had known how to utilize this means (the simultaneous world uprising V.S.) if they could have had it clearly placed before them, they would have chosen it; and they would have rallied (you're already assured! V.S.) the great masses of workers around them." In Marxist manner, comrade Stepanov?
Not so categorical, but in the same vein: "... maybe we would not have been able to hold back the governments, maybe the masses of the proletariat would not even have followed us. But we believe that they would have responded." Very convincing! And Gosizdat humbly bows its head.So Sarabjanov points out how Gorter is aware that such an effort is desperate, but the situation was desperate and what does Sarabjanov or Lenin propose as alternative? on the other hand Luxemburg in Junius pamphlet acknowledges that "of course" the party cannot make a revolution at a moment (er, wasn't that what she was arguing for prior to the war?).

Die Neue Zeit
13th April 2013, 21:10
Those two left-coms (G & P) didn't advocate the USPD taking power unilaterally and arresting the MSPD leadership on charges of war crimes, but instead help found the already-ultra-left KPD. That's a poor response to the coalitionism of some USPD leaders.

Noa Rodman
13th April 2013, 21:40
That arrest would probably not convince the remaining MSPD membership (which Kautsky speculated would be largely made up of the petty-bourgeoisie). Btw Gorter, and Pannekoek as well, held out a "super-imperialism" prospect (as Kautsky's, quite possibly copied from him). Gorter:
The corporate monopolies can change, and not just quantitatively. In the future, they could form a gigantic alliance, almost a separate organism which could embrace the entire earth, and they could subsist alongside one another without competition. Imperialism itself, which is nothing but the rule of the world by the monopolies, could assume a peaceful nature and the States could form a world alliance[39] (http://marxists.org/archive/gorter/1914/imperialism.htm#n39) or institutions which no longer make war but in which the united giant monopolies will exploit all the earth's inhabitants and seize all the profits.And the G20 or G7 is basically doing reasonably well this world coordination at present, with US at the top.

On USPD coalition, I read (http://www.iisg.nl/archives/en/files/k/ARCH00712full.php#N27105)there was something written by Kautsky on USPD internal opposition, but Haase didn't want it published:
(Über den inneren Gegensatz in der USP). (Dez. 1918). Mschr. 9 S.-fol.
Mit Anm. von K. Kautsky: "Geschrieben ungefähr 20. Dez. 1918. Nicht veröffentl. wegen Bedenken Haases".

Hopefully it will be made available by the digitization project. (http://socialhistory.org/en/projects/centrale-digitization-project)

Noa Rodman
13th April 2013, 21:47
It's kind of unbelievable it is not published still. Also, what about democratic centralism in the USPD, if Kautsky won't publish something (by advice or order of Haase)?