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Tim Cornelis
24th March 2013, 16:26
Do you agree with this assessment:

Russia and the other countries of the Soviet Union were transformed from semi-feudal, semi-capitalist monarchist dictatorships into modern societies with near-full employment, universally free education and healthcare, affordable housing for all, extensive and cheap public transport, impressive scientific and cultural facilities, rights for women and degrees of self-government for formerly oppressed nationalities. But the struggle to survive and to build socialism in the face of powerful external as well as internal enemies also led to distortions in society that might otherwise have been avoided. In particular, a bureaucratic-command system of economic and political rule became entrenched. The Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the trade unions became integrated into the apparatus of the state, eroding working class and popular democracy. Marxism-Leninism was used dogmatically to justify the status quo rather than make objective assessments of it. At times, and in the late 1930s in particular, severe violations of socialist democracy and law occurred. Large numbers of people innocent of subversion or sabotage were persecuted, imprisoned and executed. This aided the world-wide campaign of lies and distortions aimed at the Soviet Union, the international communist movement and the concept of socialism.

Comrade #138672
24th March 2013, 16:43
I can agree with that. Although I would put the blame primarily on imperialism rather than saying something like "power corrupts."

Comrade #138672
24th March 2013, 16:51
Also, even though I agree with Trotsky quite often, I don't think that the revolution was "betrayed" but that it had failed, because of all the attacks on the USSR.

Kalinin's Facial Hair
24th March 2013, 16:57
I too could agree with most of that.

La GuaneƱa
24th March 2013, 17:26
Yeah, I guess.

garrus
24th March 2013, 17:27
The Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the trade unions became integrated into the apparatus of the state, eroding working class and popular democracy.
That's what *should* happen , the problem is that it didn't happen.Trade unions should have been the only ones controlling and managing production and making decisions, and the CP should participate not as a communist party, but as workers that happen to be members of the CP , in the "state" with the marxist meaning of the word (a means of class rule).



Marxism-Leninism was used dogmatically to justify the status quo rather than make objective assessments of it.
Isn't that a contradiction?
If i can use M-L dogmatically to justify the status quo mentioned above, that means that M-L core ideas, applied strictly , support that status quo of lack of workers democracy (if they didn't, i'd have to distort them and deviate from the dogma).

Trotsky stahp.

DasFapital
24th March 2013, 17:50
isn't this a statement from the CPUSA?:thumbdown:

DasFapital
24th March 2013, 18:05
never mind my earlier comment. its from the Communist Party of Britain.

Riveraxis
24th March 2013, 18:34
I agree with parts of the statement but can't say I agree entirely.
There was a lot more to it than that, such as power-hungry totalitarians who did not really seem to support the working class much at all. You can say their hands were forced and they were backed into a corner but I question whether or not it would have played out similarly even if there were not imperialist agitators, or if they were less of a threat.

LOLseph Stalin
24th March 2013, 20:52
I agree for the most part. However, I have a feeling that the author may have a different definition of innocent. I have no doubt that at least some innocent people were mistakably imprisoned, but this seems to blow it out of proportion.

Pleb
24th March 2013, 20:55
I agree. This looks like Britains road to Socialism by the CPB. Is it?