I Love Pinko Commies

[opie]

Article (http://www.rushmagazine.com/articles/8)

[Misodoctakleidist]

The author of that "article" seems blissfully ignorant to the fact that neither cuba or north korea are communist countries.

[A Pict]

What would they have to do to become one?


Start working, LOL?

[Pete]

Communism is a classless stateless society, therefore you cannot have communist country.

[opie]

keep in mind, this is not ment to be taken seriously

if you have read some of his other works you might understand better

i just posted it cause it was something that was less serious and light, unlike everything else

besides, are you guys saying you like the bandwagon Che lovers?

[Bolshevika]

Indeed, maybe that person should "read some Marx" before telling everyone else to do so.

The DPRK's economy was growing faster than South Korea's for many years, to a point where most households had televisions, kitchens, beds, and almost all common human needs, whilst South koreans lived under military rule, imperialist occupation, and capitalism (they still have both by the way). The depression they are under is in fact recent, due to the collapse of the USSR and many droughts and floods that have hit the rural areas the hardest.

And Cuba has much better living standards for the impoverished than most of the capitalist Latin american countries (where the poor always make up the majority). I know, I've been to other Latin American countries and have had little homeless children walk up to me at restaurants asking for food or a dollar, it's heart breaking. Atleast in Cuba they have homes to go to and atleast somewhat adequate food supply, sometimes they go hungry, but not to the extent people in other Latin American countries, who are forced to go through garbage looking for food from all the hunger.

So tell me how it doesn't socialism "work" and how capitalism "does work", especially knowing that the only thing keeping the Latin American countries from collapsing is the massive loans from the IMF that they know the leaders aren't going to pay, but put huge fees on anyway.

Care to explain, capitalist?

[A Pict]

Communism is a classless stateless society, therefore you cannot have communist country


O yay! The impossiblity has finally arrived! The stateless anarch-communist ideal!



Tell me, How will your economy work, if not by Command (requiring a state) or Market (which are evil, as they are based off of consent). Dont' just say

"ITS NOT CONSENT!!!111"

Answer me, how will it work?


There is only 1 answer- Without industry. Think about the construction of a microchip, how would that happen--- by accident! (im not refering tot he production, but to the prescense of materials or expertise in one area, etc.)

[Al Creed]

Ah Cuba. What once was, before the benign communist revolution, a place for rich foreigners to taste the sandy beaches and underage prostitutes- has now become a place for rich foreigners to taste the sandy beaches and underage prostitutes. Good job Fidel.

This made me laugh, but not for the reasons the writer wanted.

[Pete]

You are an idiot A Pict. A society that is self sustaining needs niether command nor market. It needs 'need.' It operates through co operation and sharing. Remember what they try to teach you in kindergarten but then try to unteach you from then on?

-Pete

[A Pict]

You are an idiot A Pict. A society that is self sustaining needs niether command nor market. It needs 'need.' It operates through co operation and sharing.

O yes, what a charming generality. Lets suppose me and a bunch of my buddies are all part of the new nifty Red Tractor Factory.

1st- Where the hell do we get the steel?

2nd- What the hell do we do with the tractors after we've made them?

Here's the clincher! Can't use Command- That is a State! Can't use Market- that is freedom! Hows it going to work!

(also your worship of need has some very interesting consquences--look up moral hazard sometime, it is a very interesting concept that many of our policies have to always address)


Remember what they try to teach you in kindergarten but then try to unteach you from then on?

Actually, they indoctrinated me with that trash in my public school till graduation. I had to unteach myself. What do you expect from a STATE-funded school?

[RedCeltic]

The author of this article Morgan Liu seems to be the typical foaming at the mouth conservitive idiot who rambles on about nothing with no real point.

Was there a point? I thought this article was about how Leonardo Dicaprio, Naomi Campbell, and Jack Nicholson have all now joined the Communist Party USA or something. Is it an article about how Cuba is a falure or is it an article about how hollywood actors are all card carrying communists who need to be deported?

I just love these people who post their opinions on subjects they know nothing about, as if it's a result of a long time in the field researching Cuban life and has come to the conlusion that Cuba today is just, "a place for rich foreigners to taste the sandy beaches and underage prostitutes."

[Pete]

*sigh* You listen not.

http://www.screensavershot.com/tvmovie2/dinosaur.jpg

[A Pict]

A picture of dinosaurs is not a refutation.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

The "stateless" economy is up for debate here. I think the entire economy should be planned out by the government, and yes, people give me hell on that one, I've even been called a fascist for that one. :blink: Just take a peek in the anarchy thread, and the restaurants in a communist society thread in the theory catagory. *My 300th post! I'm Sub-Comandante now :D*

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 10:42 PM
I think the entire economy should be planned out by the government, and yes, people give me hell on that one,
Silly me, I thought it was supposed to planned by the workers. :rolleyes:

[A Pict]

Well since no one will argue for how excatly this all will work, ill make a special thread with a focus on it, so it can be a little harder to evade.

[YKTMX]

This dude obviously has no understanding of Marxism, a bit like Fidel.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by A [email protected] 5 2004, 05:54 AM
There is only 1 answer- Without industry. Think about the construction of a microchip, how would that happen--- by accident! (im not refering tot he production, but to the prescense of materials or expertise in one area, etc.)
Do you really need a computer to live your life? Are you a slave to technology? We don't need it and I for one (under certain circumstances*) would not morn its passing.

* These include a world which is classless and stateless, with a population of less then 1 billion people. Mind you not all technology would disappear with the disappearance of factories. Yes computers might, but cars no. Their would just be less of them.

[A Pict]

Do you really need a computer to live your life? Are you a slave to technology? We don't need it and I for one (under certain circumstances*) would not morn its passing.

* These include a world which is classless and stateless, with a population of less then 1 billion people. Mind you not all technology would disappear with the disappearance of factories. Yes computers might, but cars no. Their would just be less of them.


With a population of less then 1 billion... Where are the other 5ish billion gonna go, you sick twisted mass-murdering wannabe?


Yes computers might, but cars no. Their would just be less of them


And they would be called carriages.

Where would you get the steel? An industrial society cannot exist without a market or command.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Where would you get the steel? An industrial society cannot exist without a market or command.

Steel would be mined because it is needed.
Demand is good enough.

I expect most cars to be replaced with public transport, as it is more effecient in terms of resources (If not in terms of money)

As for cars, I expect them to be a more communal thing... they would be shared between two or more households, as when one isn't using it the other one can.

[A Pict]

Steel would be mined because it is needed

I see. lets take this first from the perspective of a miner. I mine my iron, and put in the stockyard, were other people who need it pick it up, correct?

What if the tractor maker (myself) comes to the stockyard to find everyone elses demand has already swallowed it up? What should i do, sit on my hands for a weeks in the stockyard until a new shipment comes in?


Without a rational mechanise, it is going to be naturally highly inefficient.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

How is that any different from capitalism?
The difference under capitalism is that the most profitable industry (Which is not necessarily the most useful)
would get the steel, and the more useful but less profitable industries lose out.
In Communism, the most useful industries get the priority. If there are two seemingly equally deserving projects/industries, then they should put their case before a demarchicly selected panel of ordinary people.
Don't forget that bridge building is less of an industry and more of a series of projects, while manufacturing tractors is a continuous drain on steel reserves (Which will also be supplemented by recycling)