USSR will be back. ☭

[SupremeSoviet]

I made this video to prove that USSR can come back: the KPRF (Russian Communist Party) is the 2nd most popular party in Russia today and its results in the state duma are increasing. Enjoy watching :) ☭

[Philosopher Jay]

Where is the video? Thanks.

[Sasha]

I made this video to prove that USSR can come back: the KPRF (Russian Communist Party) is the 2nd most popular party in Russia today and its results in the state duma are increasing. Enjoy watching :) ☭


and what does the KPRF have to do with communism? :confused:

[AConfusedSocialDemocrat]

The Russian Communist party are batshit insane social conservatives and supportes of the Eurasian idea. Let's they don't take power.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Communism is what happens when nominally red parties get enough seats in parliament, right you guys?

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

oh okay.

[Pelarys]

Yes comrade and France is currently undergoing socialist revolution since the election of the extremely radical and progressive Socialist Party.

[conmharáin]

With the election of left-wing radical Barack Hussein Hitler, the United States are on their way to becoming the next Soviet Union.

But in all seriousness, WHAT.

[l'Enfermé]

Hopefully the KRPF will win state power and annex the Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkemnistan and Uzbekistan, so we can have the USSR back.

[Arlekino]

Not sure USSR will come back. Are you mean all former Soviet Republics or just Russia?

[Philosophos]

oh okay.


Yes comrade and France is currently undergoing socialist revolution since the election of the extremely radical and progressive Socialist Party.


Hopefully the KRPF will win state power and annex the Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkemnistan and Uzbekistan, so we can have the USSR back.

seriously a little tear from my laughs went down because I saw your avatars in a row...

[Q]

seriously a little tear from my laughs went down because I saw your avatars in a row...

Don't encourage them...

As for the OP: The KPRF is a nationalist formation that has nothing to do with the communist movement. And even if we got the USSR back, we also get all the shite back that it was.

[a_wild_MAGIKARP]

Yeah, unfortunately as others have said the KPRF isn't all that communist...

But the fact that they are so popular is still a good sign; it means many people in Russia do want communism, even if they are unaware that the KPRF has some reactionary views.

I'm not sure if there is a good Russian communist party or organization though, does anyone know? I don't know about all the smaller parties in Russia.
I've heard of the "Vanguard of Red Youth", who apparently have a military wing, but I still don't know much about them.

[l'Enfermé]

seriously a little tear from my laughs went down because I saw your avatars in a row...
Yeah that's the joke. You should see how conversations look like in our tendency group. For example:
http://i.imgur.com/j8PKh7x.png

[ind_com]

I made this video to prove that USSR can come back: the KPRF (Russian Communist Party) is the 2nd most popular party in Russia today and its results in the state duma are increasing. Enjoy watching :) ☭

Welcome comrade. The USSR will definitely be back, but not because of the KPRF winning in elections. :)

[JPSartre12]

It would be very interesting to see a "communist" group of nations come back - it would definitely shake up the geopolitical climate a bit.

That movement will not start in Russia, though.

[Yuppie Grinder]

History doesn't repeat itself in ways this boring and stupid.

[Paul Pott]

I agree that it probably won't start in Russia again, but a renaissance of revolutionary consciousness in Russia is inevitable given the further crisis of capitalism coming in the near future.

The dominant mood among the working class there is apathy. In this environment, neo-fascists, the orthodox church, and conservative populists like Putin have become powerful, but that is bound to change. But the KPRF won't have anything to do with it.

I doubt a new Russian workers state would reestablish the Soviet Union as it was in the 20th century rather than found a new Soviet Russian people's republic or something like that because the other Soviet republics would have to follow on their own, if they ever do.

[Tim Cornelis]

Yeah, unfortunately as others have said the KPRF isn't all that communist...

But the fact that they are so popular is still a good sign; it means many people in Russia do want communism, even if they are unaware that the KPRF has some reactionary views.

Except that the voters vote KPRF because of its reactionary views. If you think voters want a stateless, classless, society but the KPRF just 1970s social-democracy mixed with social conservatism and ultra-nationalism you are being a tad optimistic.


I'm not sure if there is a good Russian communist party or organization though, does anyone know? I don't know about all the smaller parties in Russia.
I've heard of the "Vanguard of Red Youth", who apparently have a military wing, but I still don't know much about them.

Left Front I suppose. Of which said organisation is a member.

[a_wild_MAGIKARP]

Except that the voters vote KPRF because of its reactionary views. If you think voters want a stateless, classless, society but the KPRF just 1970s social-democracy mixed with social conservatism and ultra-nationalism you are being a tad optimistic.
Don't you think there are Russians who really want communism, who don't actually know all that much about the KPRF, and vote for them anyway because they have "communist" in the name?



Left Front I suppose. Of which said organisation is a member.
Thanks, I'll look them up.

[ellipsis]

hello? video?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Don't you think there are Russians who really want communism, who don't actually know all that much about the KPRF, and vote for them anyway because they have "communist" in the name?

That would reflect rather badly on the voters, and on their class consciousness. That would be like voting for Nazbollocks because they have the work "Bolshevik" in their name - in fact, the chief difference between the Zyuganovites and the Nazbollocks is that the latter are honest.

[conmharáin]

It's weird to think how communism can become associated with conservatism in a place like Russia. Nostalgia for the "Golden Age" is what fuels fascist mythology, after all. How bizarre and tragic it is to see something like "National Bolshevism!" The silver lining is that it does speak to some socialistic accomplishments in terms of past living standards.

[Tim Cornelis]

Don't you think there are Russians who really want communism, who don't actually know all that much about the KPRF, and vote for them anyway because they have "communist" in the name?

I doubt anyone who has taken a lot of time to acquaint themselves with communist theory haven't bothered to turn on the TV once in a while or google for a minute and see the KPRF spout its nationalist, social conservative nonsense.

[Rurkel]

The National Bolsheviks of today are less "nazis" and more "generically 'r3b3llious' political loose cannons led by a narcissist". Not defending them - it's just something to keep in mind.

[DROSL]

I seriously hope they do comeback. It would stabilize the balance in which the americans are greatly advantaged.

[Sam_b]

It would stabilize the balance in which the americans are greatly advantaged.

The words 'how' and 'why' spring to mind.

[DROSL]

How: countries that have socialist tendencies can no longer associate with a superpower that correspond to their values

why: the world is too much on right side.

[Tim Cornelis]

How: countries that have socialist tendencies can no longer associate with a superpower that correspond to their values

why: the world is too much on right side.

What would be the advantage of a left-leaning imperialist bloc as you seem to imply?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

In order for a Soviet Union to come back, you need Soviets not parties, and unity not annexation.

I mean, minor details and all that..:)

[CyM]

It is clear that the masses who vote for the KPRF do so because they eant a return to the nationalized, planned economy. This is progressive. The KPRF leadership has no intention of delivering that, but their election would be a positive step, as it would force them to expose their "communism" as nothing but camouflage. The capitalist crisis would force them to carry out austerity measures if they choose not to break with this system, and then the divergence between the expectations of the masses and the policy of the leadership would become a source of upheaval. This would open the road to a revolutionary tendency within the KPRF which expresses the opposition mood.

That struggle would make possible a government that nationalizes the economy under workers' control and launches an internationalist appeal for a world socialist federation.

[CyM]

The National Bolsheviks of today are less "nazis" and more "generically 'r3b3llious' political loose cannons led by a narcissist". Not defending them - it's just something to keep in mind.
That describes all nazi groups. They are quite clearly neo-nazis.

[Rurkel]

By this point, you'll find more right-wing winguttiness in the right wing of KPRF then in that rather exhibitionist group with masochistic tendencies. Mind you, after Limonov recently got disappointed with the liberals, they seem to be slowly returning to their original state. He's a Sorelian figure.

But even if they come all the way back from their liberal cries about "Putin's authoritarianism", "human rights" and "down with the police state" of c. 2005 to "we need more Goebbelses" of c. 1995, white nationalist and other ultra-nationalist nativist organizations will have long stolen their thunder.

[Old Bolshie]

By this point, you'll find more right-wing winguttiness in the right wing of KPRF then in that rather exhibitionist group with masochistic tendencies. Mind you, after Limonov recently got disappointed with the liberals, they seem to be slowly returning to their original state. He's a Sorelian figure.


National Bolsheviks and other Russian neo-nazi movements actually uphold Stalin as their political reference as much as the KPRF.

[Rurkel]

Outright neo-nazis don't, though some groups connected to them do.

[Old Bolshie]

Outright neo-nazis don't, though some groups connected to them do.

Yes they do, even outright neo-nazis as you can check here (6:19 min):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA

[Rurkel]

Point taken. Still, many neo-nazis and other nationalist groups prefer to tap into the tradition of fiercely anti-communist "white" (as in "white vs. red", though the other sense of the word may apply too) nationalism that doesn't make any differentiation between Stalin and those Bolsheviks he repressed. In fact, it is possible to see the same person advance the "evil commie Stalin" thesis today and the "1937 killed them jew-bolsheviks off" tomorrow. Ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis had never been for much consistency.

[DROSL]

I personally thinks Vladimir Putin himself still has a ''feeling'' for the good ol' days.

Remember, the only reason why the Soviets fell is because they had to upgrade their defense budget (due to capitalists threats) and finally they went broke.

[Bostana]

Oy.....new guy

[Rugged Collectivist]

Why would any sensible person want the Soviet Union back?



Yes they do, even outright neo-nazis as you can check here (6:19 min):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA

A man with Stalin portraits on his wall and an imperial eagle on his chair? What a strange world we live in.

[Brutus]

They're just crazy ass nationalists...
Grrrr

[Dropdead]

Did he even link the video?

[Comrade #138672]

Do we really want it back? I'd say it's an opportunity for something else. You know, actual Socialism.

[IrishWorker]

I see the hierarchy of the Western trendy Left is alive and well on Revleft. How dare these Communists in Russia or indeed any where else in the world proclaim to fight in the interests of our class while they don't adhere to some sectarian bull shite quasi-religious ideological rules.

Traditional Communist partys, like the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, exist in Algeria, Egypt, Lesotho, Libya, Madagascar, Namibia, Réunion, Senegal, South Africa, South Sudan, Sudan, Swaziland, Tunisia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil,Canada,Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, Mexico,Panama,Paraguay, Uruguay, United States, Venezuela,Bahrain Bangladesh,Burma, China,India,Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Nepal, Pakistan, Palestine, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tajikistan, Taiwan,Vietnam, Albania, Armenia, Austria,Azerbaijan, Belarus,Belgium,Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,Georgia, Germany, Greece,Hungary, Ireland, Italy,Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Slovakia, Spain,Sweden,Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, UK,Australia and New Zealand.

Each Communist Party in each respective Country varies in size, influence and effectiveness, but they are all of the Working Class none the less and are present in every corner of the Earth fighting for our Class every day of the week.

[melvin]

long gone states that have dissolved and not operated in any way at all for over twenty years don't just "come back".

[Brutus]

Melvin understands the dialectics...

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I see the hierarchy of the Western trendy Left is alive and well on Revleft. How dare these Communists in Russia or indeed any where else in the world proclaim to fight in the interests of our class while they don't adhere to some sectarian bull shite quasi-religious ideological rules.

Traditional Communist partys, like the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, exist in Algeria, Egypt, Lesotho, Libya, Madagascar, Namibia, Réunion, Senegal, South Africa, South Sudan, Sudan, Swaziland, Tunisia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil,Canada,Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, Mexico,Panama,Paraguay, Uruguay, United States, Venezuela,Bahrain Bangladesh,Burma, China,India,Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Nepal, Pakistan, Palestine, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tajikistan, Taiwan,Vietnam, Albania, Armenia, Austria,Azerbaijan, Belarus,Belgium,Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,Georgia, Germany, Greece,Hungary, Ireland, Italy,Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Slovakia, Spain,Sweden,Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, UK,Australia and New Zealand.

Each Communist Party in each respective Country varies in size, influence and effectiveness, but they are all of the Working Class none the less and are present in every corner of the Earth fighting for our Class every day of the week.

Yeah, the communist parties in moldova, the UK etc. are of the working class. :rolleyes:

[Per Levy]

I see the hierarchy of the Western trendy Left is alive and well on Revleft. How dare these Communists in Russia or indeed any where else in the world proclaim to fight in the interests of our class while they don't adhere to some sectarian bull shite quasi-religious ideological rules.

yeah how dare these "trendy" leftist criticize a nationalistic, social conservative party who plays the loyal opposition to putins united russia.


Traditional Communist partys, like the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, exist in Algeria, Egypt, Lesotho, Libya, Madagascar, Namibia, Réunion, Senegal, South Africa, South Sudan, Sudan, Swaziland, Tunisia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil,Canada,Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, Mexico,Panama,Paraguay, Uruguay, United States, Venezuela,Bahrain Bangladesh,Burma, China,India,Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Nepal, Pakistan, Palestine, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tajikistan, Taiwan,Vietnam, Albania, Armenia, Austria,Azerbaijan, Belarus,Belgium,Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic,
Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France,Georgia, Germany, Greece,Hungary, Ireland, Italy,Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Slovakia, Spain,Sweden,Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, UK,Australia and New Zealand.

lets see, most of these "communist" partys have turned so right wing that they are at best social democratic. also funny that you mention the cpusa whic is a total joke and the left wing of the democratic party, or the iraq cp who was for the us invasion of iraq, or the dkp(german cp) who is the left wing of the social democratic party "die linke" and so on and so on and so on.


Each Communist Party in each respective Country varies in size, influence and effectiveness, but they are all of the Working Class none the less and are present in every corner of the Earth fighting for our Class every day of the week.

no wonder that the working class is in such a shitty situation then. seriously is this satire or do you really belive in this? probally the latter.

[DasFapital]

well the republican party is popular in the USA. By this same logic we should see a return to the progressive politics of honest Abe.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I see the hierarchy of the Western trendy Left is alive and well on Revleft. How dare these Communists in Russia or indeed any where else in the world proclaim to fight in the interests of our class while they don't adhere to some sectarian bull shite quasi-religious ideological rules.

Is commitment to national liberation a "bull shite quasi-religious ideological rule"? The KPRF line on Chechnya is thinly veiled Great-Russian chauvinism and Russian imperialism; if a "traditional" "Communist" party in the United Kingdom had a similar line on Ireland, you'd be the first to denounce them. Is commitment to fighting homophobia and misogyny a "bull shite quasi-religious ideological rule"? The KPRF don't want the proletariat to liberate itself; they want to enslave or kill over half of the proletariat. Is commitment to a nationalised, planned economy a "bull shite quasi-religious ideological rule"? The KPRF supports the continued existence of petite bourgeoise enterprise, and even outright bourgeois enterprise in areas of the economy that they don't consider to be "strategic", as a matter of programme rather than compromise.


Each Communist Party in each respective Country varies in size, influence and effectiveness, but they are all of the Working Class none the less and are present in every corner of the Earth fighting for our Class every day of the week.

The KPRF fights for a return to the fifties and some imagined glorious Russian empire. Most of the parties you mention fight for seats in the parliament and government functions.

[Ocean Seal]

History doesn't repeat itself in ways this boring and stupid.
I disagree, I think we are still in a time period for USSR esque states to spring up. Whether they do or don't is beyond me though.

[Akshay!]

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain

[Old Bolshie]

A man with Stalin portraits on his wall and an imperial eagle on his chair? What a strange world we live in.

The link between Stalin and nationalism although it may sound strange for people outside Russia is perfectly normal for the Russian people.

In Russia he is seen more as a patriotic figure who made of Russia a world superpower and led the country through the "Great Patriotic War" than a communist one. Stalin's chauvinistic and conservative policies also helped to build this patriotic image of himself.

I don't know the existence of neo-nazi groups who uphold him outside Russian borders.

[Craig_J]

I really hope the USSR never comes back. If it did it would undo all the work Marxists have spent the last 20 years doing in trying to bring back the true Marxist image that was stollen from us by an oppresive oligarchy.

[BAMslam15]

I really hope the USSR never comes back. If it did it would undo all the work Marxists have spent the last 20 years doing in trying to bring back the true Marxist image that was stollen from us by an oppresive oligarchy.

Just curious, what country would have ideally met Marx's dream? I agree that the CCCP wasn't exactly what he hoped for.

[evermilion]

I really hope the USSR never comes back. If it did it would undo all the work Marxists have spent the last 20 years doing in trying to bring back the true Marxist image that was stollen from us by an oppresive oligarchy.

I sometimes wonder why I even bother coming back to RevLeft when all I'm getting is "leftists" parroting anti-communist rhetoric and trying to pass it off like some kind of great Marxist insight.


Just curious, what country would have ideally met Marx's dream? I agree that the CCCP wasn't exactly what he hoped for.

I'd love to see the answer to this.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I sometimes wonder why I even bother coming back to RevLeft when all I'm getting is "leftists" parroting anti-communist rhetoric and trying to pass it off like some kind of great Marxist insight.

But... but... Stalin! State capitalism! Fordism!

In all seriousness, certain "leftist" trends of dubious coherence do seem to be overrepresented on this site. "Nihilists", for example, "anti-civ" people, and so on, and so on. Together, these tendencies might make up as much as a fifth of the active user base, even though in real life they could hardly staff a "radical" bookstore.

It's not just RevLeft, though. Quite a few people confuse socialist criticism of Stalin, as a theoretician and statesman, with the sort of hysteric liberal "but Stalin killed people!" whining that forms the basis of most modern anticommunism, particularly of the "left" variety. Furthermore, many, many socialist groups' analysis of the Soviet Union is awful, and that leads to awful politics. In the nineties, many socialist groups were objectively on the side of the reaction for example.


I'd love to see the answer to this.

If anyone answers "Sweden", my hopes about this site are officially crushed.

[Brutus]

If anyone answers "Sweden", my hopes about this site are officially crushed.
Iceland?

[Per Levy]

Just curious, what country would have ideally met Marx's dream?

none, since he was for a classless, stateless society without borders and nationalism. but as marx himself he would've been happy to be rich and live in the usa or in a better part of london, i guess.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Right, seeing as the OP didn't post a video/can't post a video and hasn't responded to anything, i'm closing this thread, it's pointless.