Greece Soccer Player Celebrates Goal With Nazi Salute

[Willin']

ATHENS, Greece -- AEK Athens midfielder Giorgos Katidis has earned rebukes from politicians, fellow athletes and fans after giving a Nazi salute in celebration of a goal he scored in the Greek league.
Photographs show him giving a Nazi salute after scoring the go-ahead goal in the 84th minute over visiting Veria on Saturday. In one photo, Katidis' Brazilian-born teammate, Roger Guerreiro, looks at him with an expression of astonishment.
The 20-year-old Katidis pleaded ignorance of the meaning of his gesture – right arm extended and hand straightened. He claimed on his Twitter account that he detests fascism.
AEK's German coach Ewald Lienen, said the player doesn't have an "idea about politics."

Source:
huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/16/giorgos-katidis-nazi-salute-aek-athens_n_2893072.html

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Such cases happen in Croatia regularly - there seem to be a lot of people that use Nazi salutes and yet "have no idea" what it means. All that air between their ears must help them to run faster or take footballs to the face better or something.

I would not be as bitter about it if the state and municipal authorities did not sponsor that bloody sport so much - sport receives more of the budget than science does, and most of that goes to a few corrupt, mafiosi football clubs.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I hope he breaks his legs and never plays again.

Football here in Serbia (as well as in the other former Yugoslav states) is corrupt as all hell. Football hooligans are just henchmen of the mafia and drug dealers. As well as youth recruited by radical right wing groups to be their street presence.

Only proper Antifa fans in the former Yugoslavia I know of are NK Zagreb (Zagreb, Croatia) and FK Velež (Mostar, Bosnia). I met some of Zagreb's fans here during an Antifa organized concert. Really great guys, had a lot of fun with them that night.

[RedAnarchist]

According to Wikipedia he's been banned from playing for any Greek national team for life. Hopefully that's a huge disappointment to the little shit.

[Devrim]

According to Wikipedia he's been banned from playing for any Greek national team for life. Hopefully that's a huge disappointment to the little shit.

The guy says that he didn't know what connotations the gesture had, and that he detests fascism. It could be true.

Devrim

[kashkin]

The guy says that he didn't know what connotations the gesture had, and that he detests fascism. It could be true.

Devrim

In Greece? I am suspicious. I know in Japan SS uniforms have been worn by people in public, as wedding suits or other formal wear, but that can partly be explained by the fact that they (IIRC) aren't taught that much about German history or the Holocaust.

Similar to the fact that I have seen people wear t-shirts* with the Rising Sun flag, not knowing that in Japan, China and Korea it has the same connotations that the swastika has in Western countries.

* Zippo lighters as well, but then again you can buy some with the Confederate flags, so whatever, fuck em.

[Durruti's friend]

Only proper Antifa fans in the former Yugoslavia I know of are NK Zagreb (Zagreb, Croatia) and FK Velež (Mostar, Bosnia). I met some of Zagreb's fans here during an Antifa organized concert. Really great guys, had a lot of fun with them that night.
Yeah, I also know some of them. But the White Angels (ftw) are quite small in numbers and insignificant in comparison with the nationalist Bad Blue Boys.

Also, the match between Serbia and Croatia is on Friday if I remember correctly, and that will be a nationalist orgy. I'm actually scared about what will happen...

[ВАЛТЕР]

Yeah, I also know some of them. But the White Angels (ftw) are quite small in numbers and insignificant in comparison with the nationalist Bad Blue Boys.

Yeah, they are tiny compared to the BBB.


Also, the match between Serbia and Croatia is on Friday if I remember correctly, and that will be a nationalist orgy. I'm actually scared about what will happen...


I'm trying not to think about it, because when I do I get depressed about the shitty situation in our region. :P

[Delenda Carthago]

The guy says that he didn't know what connotations the gesture had, and that he detests fascism. It could be true.

Devrim
Sure. Its not that we have a massive nazi party in the Parliament, so that he knows what the fuck this is.:lol:

The only reason he denied it, was because nazis are fuckin cowards. And instead of standing like a man for this, he run around like a coward apologizing. Bullshit. I remind you the incident with Voula Papachristou that was excluded from the Olympics for the racist joke. She too said that she is not a racist and that she has no relation with nazism. 6 months later, she is the fiance of Kassidiaris, that sonofa***** that slapped our MP, Liana Kanneli live on TV. Thats who they are. Cowards.

AEK's biggest club, Original21, was the first one to condemt the prick(Katidis). Furiously. AEK is a no-no for nazis, since its a team created by refugees from Instabul. People that the back then nazis used to call "turks". So fuck that guy anyway.

[newdayrising]

I find it hard to believe he would be knowledgeable enough about fascism to detest it if he didn't even know that's a fascist salute, specially in this day and age when fascists are quite popular in Greece. But who knows...


The guy says that he didn't know what connotations the gesture had, and that he detests fascism. It could be true.

Devrim

[bricolage]

yeah I don't buy it that he didn't know, it's not a natural way to 'salute' unless you are doing it deliberately.

[Tifosi]

http://original21.com/headlines/222 - The translator isn't that good but you get a fair idea of how much they hate this guy.

[LOLseph Stalin]

One of those fuckers needs to try this in Germany then they'll get arrested for sure. Fuck cops, but when it's fascists they'll get what's coming to them.

[Orange Juche]

yeah I don't buy it that he didn't know, it's not a natural way to 'salute' unless you are doing it deliberately.

If you're an adult that doesn't know what that salute means, you either live under a rock or have been in a coma since infancy. That's like not knowing the sky is blue.

[Sam_b]

it's not a natural way to 'salute' unless you are doing it deliberately

http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/2012/02/AlanShearer33.jpg

[bricolage]

that's quite clearly different, it's a glorified wave. putting your hand completely in line with your arm is not.

[F9]

http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/2012/02/AlanShearer33.jpg

thats a lot different.coming from the team i "support" in greece, that little prick got what was coming to him, he is banned for now from AEK until summer and hopefully forever after that.ORIGINAL 21 clearly doesnt want him around, his coach is a german whos family suffered from nazism allthough he says the kid didnt know what was doing(we are same age btw...) but i think the wannabe football pop icon katides is pretty much dead and got what was coming to him.He was more interested in things outside football rather than that and even if his move wasnt fascist the arrogance behind the salute which he said was to make the fans stand for him cause they doubted him earlier show how of an idiot this guy is.Good ridance

[Vanguard1917]

I hope he breaks his legs and never plays again.

Get a grip. He made a fascist salute; he didn't kill someone. In fact, he didn't even hurt someone.

Has 'keeping things in perspective' become some kind of old-fashioned inanity?

[Ele'ill]

Get a grip. He made a fascist salute;










(because he might be a fascist)

[pastradamus]

The guy says that he didn't know what connotations the gesture had, and that he detests fascism. It could be true.

Devrim

I read a previous interview with him and he doesn't come off as such a bad guy - just a little bit stupid.

He went on at length about how much he loved playing for AEK and how much he loved the environment and the fans. Hopefully its true what he says, because even when one of the coaching staff tried to prevent him doing it he just continued on. Hopefully, out of not knowing.

Anyway I think this case has been blown well outta proportion and people are shitting on about it too much to be honest.

People should give this young man the courtesy of at least listening to him first.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Get a grip. He made a fascist salute; he didn't kill someone. In fact, he didn't even hurt someone.

Has 'keeping things in perspective' become some kind of old-fashioned inanity?

I don't give a shit...he made a fascist salute most likely because he is a fascist and is now trying to weasel his way out of it. Fuck him, I seriously wish him everything bad in life. Including the breaking of his legs and never playing football again.

[pastradamus]

thats a lot different.coming from the team i "support" in greece, that little prick got what was coming to him, he is banned for now from AEK until summer and hopefully forever after that.ORIGINAL 21 clearly doesnt want him around, his coach is a german whos family suffered from nazism allthough he says the kid didnt know what was doing(we are same age btw...) but i think the wannabe football pop icon katides is pretty much dead and got what was coming to him.He was more interested in things outside football rather than that and even if his move wasnt fascist the arrogance behind the salute which he said was to make the fans stand for him cause they doubted him earlier show how of an idiot this guy is.Good ridance


Well thats just it. I reckon he's just stupid. Im guessing you are around 20 years old then. Most people twice your age are not as intelligent and in touch with workers struggles are you comrade, especially footballers. Put things in perspective, a pretty-boy egotistical person whom probably doesn't know the first thing about politics trys to win over the most hard-core leftists in Greece by performing a nazi salute? I just think the guy didn't know whether he was going for a shit or a haircut to be honest.

[Sam_b]

http://www.itusozluk.com/image/alan-shearer_188786.jpg

[hatzel]

The first picture I saw did actually look almost like a Shearer so I was thinking that, too. But then there were other pictures that didn't look like that and seemed to obviously be the Roman salute or whatever the technical name for it is. But to be honest they didn't even look to be in the same place, one looked like it was on the field, another looked like it was at the edge of the stands. Did the camera angle trick me or did he do it multiple times or move or what...?

[Tifosi]

The first picture I saw did actually look almost like a Shearer so I was thinking that, too. But then there were other pictures that didn't look like that and seemed to obviously be the Roman salute or whatever the technical name for it is. But to be honest they didn't even look to be in the same place, one looked like it was on the field, another looked like it was at the edge of the stands. Did the camera angle trick me or did he do it multiple times or move or what...?

He ran past the corner flag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbVk0jA1DdU) and out onto the athletics track. He was off the pitch before he began 'sieg heiling'.

[Futility Personified]

Leave poor Alan alone, his arm isn't straight and pointed like an arrow!

[conmharáin]

I could totally see accidentally giving a Hitlergruß as a celebratory gesture. I goosestep whenever I listen to ponycore or Super Sentai theme songs, but at least I only do it when I'm pretty sure I'm alone.

[bricolage]

if shearer was a fascist it might at least make him marginally interesting.
as is stands the two salutes are still, quite obviously, not the same.

[Delenda Carthago]

You have to understand, that pictures like these are widely known to greek society.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTd1WYJYFEM9YtyiDwbswh4h8AHbFK9S hkk2WpcGQcn-ivZ9O-Lyw

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSeVhhzZhuZGaIPgwdTYTmn-kd1FVvm2k64i1J_2fXbKw1WjZW

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNz4ctacWwn20X9XKyuWTpGnXWTYkRf zASdsbMRDqDIAmqYDfqEQ

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGMbJsY6HJG01X-s1wejtv4HygKS2UncY7oz6Ndo9Ic5o4AyQY

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQV3tyMqrcpEaLrz8HWt8HQHbqzIyF_e eSQWvi_D9IwPqR1Vsl8UQ

mothafuckin goldendawn members were running around with knives, axes and chainsaws 2 years ago, attackin every coloured person they saw on their sight, with the backs of police of course.

Even the most distant voter of theirs, knows that stuff and he applauses them. To wave in public like a nazi, fuckin makes you one. Period.

And even more, for every other fucker in the greek stadiums that might think about doing it, now he really needs to re think it twice.

[conmharáin]

To wave in public like a nazi, fuckin makes you one. Period.


It makes one a dumbass, certainly, and a jerk, and I appreciate that "Nazi" and "dumbass jerk" aren't exactly worlds apart, but... come on.

[conmharáin]

http://www.itusozluk.com/image/alan-shearer_188786.jpg

Wait a minute. Is this the salute in question? Because that looks like he's going for a five.

[Delenda Carthago]

It makes one a dumbass, certainly, and a jerk, and I appreciate that "Nazi" and "dumbass jerk" aren't exactly worlds apart, but... come on.
It makes one feeling comfortable with these kind of scenery. Chasing down "commies", "filthy anarchists", "lathroskoupidia"(which is a combination of words illegal aliens and garbadge, as the GD officialy calls immigrants), its all good to you. You dont have to have read...Rosenberg's Testament to be a nazi. You can just support a nazi party publicly.

[Devrim]

The only reason he denied it, was because nazis are fuckin cowards. And instead of standing like a man for this, he run around like a coward apologizing. Bullshit. I remind you the incident with Voula Papachristou that was excluded from the Olympics for the racist joke. She too said that she is not a racist and that she has no relation with nazism. 6 months later, she is the fiance of Kassidiaris, that sonofa***** that slapped our MP, Liana Kanneli live on TV. Thats who they are. Cowards.

I was going to live this as I have no real interest in it, but this was such an absurd statement. I am sure that some Nazis are cowards, just as I am sure that some are brave. The idea that Nazis in general are cowards is ridiculous.


If you're an adult that doesn't know what that salute means, you either live under a rock or have been in a coma since infancy. That's like not knowing the sky is blue.

There are lots of people who don't know lots of things. My sister, who is university educated, was genuinely surprised in her twenties to learn that Jesus wasn't Irish. Some people really aren't interested.


I find it hard to believe he would be knowledgeable enough about fascism to detest it if he didn't even know that's a fascist salute, specially in this day and age when fascists are quite popular in Greece. But who knows...

The bit about detesting it reeks to me of an agents statement.

I don't really care if he is a fascist or not. The political opinions of footballers isn't something I lose a lot of sleep over. The idea that fasicsts are by necessity cowards is absurd though. Are communists inversely all strong and brave?

Devrim

[Luís Henrique]

Has 'keeping things in perspective' become some kind of old-fashioned inanity?

You didn't know?

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

My sister, who is university educated, was genuinely surprised in her twenties to learn that Jesus wasn't Irish.

Wow.


I don't really care if he is a fascist or not.I think we should care, fascists are dangerous people - especially when in a position where one could become a role model for young people, which is the case of footballers, particularly if they are good. His reaction when the shit hit the fan seems to show that he is not one, or, that if he is, he is not a particularly consistent and fanatic one.

I also think a disproportionate punishment (as a life ban obviously is) might turn him into a victim or martyr for a very awful cause.


The idea that fasicsts are by necessity cowards is absurd though.I certainly wish they were, but any cursory examination of facts shows otherwise; it seems quite obvious that some of them are pretty capable of enduring very harsh consequences without faltering in their beliefs. But perhaps there is some linguistic issue here; in Portuguese at least, the cognate word (covardia) stands not only for less than brave behaviour in face of danger, but also for violent and abusive behaviour toward helpless enemies.


Are communists inversely all strong and brave?I am certainly not, and I can only hope this isn't an actual precondition for being a communist.

Luís Henrique

[Delenda Carthago]

I was going to live this as I have no real interest in it, but this was such an absurd statement. I am sure that some Nazis are cowards, just as I am sure that some are brave. The idea that Nazis in general are cowards is ridiculous.



Well, experience has showed to us that from the official party to their last of their members and supporters, every time GD has to take a stance on their actions or identity, they always, ALWAYS I said, keep running from it. When we talk on a massive level, one can make conclusions out of it. It doesnt matter whether one, two, or some of their members are the proudest people, the behavour that is assosiated with the nazis is cowardness.


I mean, its crazy, even in that case GD posted an announcement of solidarity to Katidis, only to take it off their website an hour later!

[Devrim]

Wow.

She just isn't in anyway interested in religion. We never had any of it as kids. Why should she have known?

The funniest confusion about Christianity I ever saw was when one of the supermarkets in Ankara put up a life size Father Christmas being crucified. Obviously whoever was responsible for that had misunderstood part of the Christmas story.

Devrim

[Luís Henrique]

She just isn't in anyway interested in religion. We never had any of it as kids. Why should she have known?

Because Ireland is not as much as 2,000 years old?


The funniest confusion about Christianity I ever saw was when one of the supermarkets in Ankara put up a life size Father Christmas being crucified. Obviously whoever was responsible for that had misunderstood part of the Christmas story.

:laugh:

Luís Henrique