Whats the deal with Putin?

[Riveraxis]

I don't really know much about the state of Russia right now.

I know Putin is pretty much an imperialist but he at least seems to stick up for nations targeted by western powers. Which makes me think he retains at least a little bit of anti-capitalist sympathy. But that could just be for his own imperialistic goals. I dunno. That's why I'm asking.

[Geiseric]

He's probably the richest man in europe, owning 30 billion in oil assets. He is also a pedophile. Judge for yourself.

[tuwix]

I don't really know much about the state of Russia right now.

I know Putin is pretty much an imperialist but he at least seems to stick up for nations targeted by western powers. Which makes me think he retains at least a little bit of anti-capitalist sympathy. But that could just be for his own imperialistic goals. I dunno. That's why I'm asking.


It was never easy to understand Russia. To simplify it very much IMHO Russia is modern fascist state. There isn't mass murdering as its was in case of German or Spanish fascists but there is great cult of state and certainly its head and pretty much much capitalist relations in society but it excludes influence of bourgeoisie on politics because the bourgeoisie doesn't have much influence on politics but state has on the bourgeoisie. Similarly to Germany, Italy in their period with fascism.

[Rusty Shackleford]

an imperialist power 'sticking up for targets of western imperialism' does not make them anti-imperialist. it just means they are competing imperialist powers. russian imperialism is very weak though

[Sasha]

He's probably the richest man in europe, owning 30 billion in oil assets. He is also a pedophile. Judge for yourself.

Wut? The pedophilia charge is new to me, any evidence for it? Though I think the fact he blew up hundreds of his own people in a false flag to consolidate power and restart the chenyan war (that killed thousands and thousands more) is already bad enough for me..

[Flying Purple People Eater]

"I won't let the US imperialists take those poor countries! Me and China want them all to ourselves!"

As for Putin, a creepy rightist late-soviet government sympathiser if there ever was one. His pictures are hilarious, though.

http://mattsparling.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/putin-on-a-motorbike.jpg

[Sasha]

pffft, looks like harleys to me, a real russian patriot would drive an Ural or something, or do those not come with sidewheels :rolleyes:

[Philosophos]

"I won't let the US imperialists take those poor countries! Me and China want them all to ourselves!"

As for Putin, a creepy rightist late-soviet government sympathiser if there ever was one. His pictures are hilarious, though.

http://mattsparling.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/putin-on-a-motorbike.jpg


http://9gag.com/gag/6610033

You mean something like this?

[DarkPast]

I don't really know much about the state of Russia right now.

I know Putin is pretty much an imperialist but he at least seems to stick up for nations targeted by western powers. Which makes me think he retains at least a little bit of anti-capitalist sympathy. But that could just be for his own imperialistic goals. I dunno. That's why I'm asking.

Putin is a populist, and his anti-imperialism is just rhetoric. His ideology revolves around the idea of "national reconciliation" - that is, the idea that Russians should put aside their differences in the interest of the Russian state (with himself at its head, of course). As others have said, his politics are thoroughly nationalist and capitalist - perhaps even more so than those of many European leaders.

Ask yourself, did he ever do anything substantial to help the victims of Western Imperialism? Or was it just empty promises and hypocritical condemnation (let's not forget what his troops were doing in the Caucasus)?

[Brutus]

Putin's regime is a populist nationalistic one that is rather authoritarian

[Hexen]

Though I think the fact he blew up hundreds of his own people in a false flag to consolidate power and restart the chenyan war (that killed thousands and thousands more) is already bad enough for me..

....Perhaps the same could be said about 9/11 where the Bush Administration blew up their own people for the same exact reasons *runs away*.

I guess the "9/11 Inside Job" conspiracy theories doesn't sound far of a stretch now unless I'm wrong and if there's a major difference between the Russian event and 9/11.

Although the main point is, if Russia can do it then how do you know that the U.S. isn't capable of doing the same thing and what makes us the "better regime"? Perhaps we're no different....

Although I'm still skeptical towards the 9/11 conspiracy theories but sometimes though identical occurrences can be compared make it so unless further analysis is made though.

[Tim Cornelis]

....Perhaps the same could be said about 9/11 where the Bush Administration blew up their own people for the same exact reasons *runs away*.

I guess the "9/11 Inside Job" conspiracy theories doesn't sound far of a stretch now unless I'm wrong and if there's a major difference between the Russian event and 9/11.

Although the main point is, if Russia can do it then how do you know that the U.S. isn't capable of doing the same thing and what makes us the "better regime"? Perhaps we're no different....

Russia did 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_the_Reconstruction_of_the_Communi st_Party_of_Greece).


The Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece (Greek: Οργάνωση για την Ανασυγκρότηση του Κομουνιστικού Κόμματος Ελλάδας, Orgánosi yia tin Anasigkrótisi tou Komounistikoú Kómmatos Elládas), mostly known by its acronym OAKKE, is a minor Greek political party known for its strong anti-Russian positions.

Another political feature of OAKKE is its views regarding an alleged Russian conspiracy to corrupt the left and install its own world regime. They support that Russian imperialism is today the main threat for all humanity, just like Hitler was in the 1930s and 1940s.[1][2]

OAKKE supports the Chechnya independence from Russia, which OAKKE sees as the organizer of the September 11, 2001 attacks

http://baron.druga-strana.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Putin-rides-a-bear.jpg

[Geiseric]

Wut? The pedophilia charge is new to me, any evidence for it? Though I think the fact he blew up hundreds of his own people in a false flag to consolidate power and restart the chenyan war (that killed thousands and thousands more) is already bad enough for me..

Him and Berlusconi hang out in the Alps and rape underaged girls, a story came out a while ago. Putin has his own "putin youth" program which is very similar to Liebensraum, in which young russian youth are propagandized to be pro putin, and then there's big orgies of underaged kids whom attended.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

He is the new fascist leader of Russia.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Him and Berlusconi hang out in the Alps and rape underaged girls, a story came out a while ago. Putin has his own "putin youth" program which is very similar to Liebensraum, in which young russian youth are propagandized to be pro putin, and then there's big orgies of underaged kids whom attended.
Do you have a source?

[Crabbensmasher]

If you could call him anti-capitalist, he's that in name only. He'll say whatever people want to hear. After decades of soviet indoctrination and cold war rhetoric, many people view the United States as an imperialist threat. They also have vocal anti-capitalist sympathies. Putin is anything but anti-capitalist, yet if it wins him a few votes, he'll be buddy buddy with old Lenin.

[melvin]

I don't really know much about the state of Russia right now.

I know Putin is pretty much an imperialist but he at least seems to stick up for nations targeted by western powers. Which makes me think he retains at least a little bit of anti-capitalist sympathy. But that could just be for his own imperialistic goals. I dunno. That's why I'm asking.You mistakenly assume that a nation being targeted by western powers is somehow an indicator of it being anti-capitalist. Which is completely incorrect.

Opposing the American/NATO power bloc is not an indicator of leftism or of anti-capitalism.

[Sasha]

....Perhaps the same could be said about 9/11 where the Bush Administration blew up their own people for the same exact reasons *runs away*.

I guess the "9/11 Inside Job" conspiracy theories doesn't sound far of a stretch now unless I'm wrong and if there's a major difference between the Russian event and 9/11.

Although the main point is, if Russia can do it then how do you know that the U.S. isn't capable of doing the same thing and what makes us the "better regime"? Perhaps we're no different....

Although I'm still skeptical towards the 9/11 conspiracy theories but sometimes though identical occurrences can be compared make it so unless further analysis is made though.

No, there is a lot more evidence for FSB involvement in the Moscow apartment bombings than any non-alqaida involvement in 9/11. Just read the Wikipedia for starters. If only the faith of Livochenko compared to that of Alex Jones should already speak volumes.

[Tim Cornelis]

Him and Berlusconi hang out in the Alps and rape underaged girls, a story came out a while ago. Putin has his own "putin youth" program which is very similar to Liebensraum, in which young russian youth are propagandized to be pro putin, and then there's big orgies of underaged kids whom attended.

Source: David Icke, Alex Jones, Illuminati insiders.

[homegrown terror]

Source: David Icke, Alex Jones, Illuminati insiders.

i really hope this was meant as a joke post.:grin:

[Rurkel]

I remember a pro-Putin youth organization organizer being accused of pedophilia/child molestation, dunno about "regular orgies", mind you.

[Hexen]

No, there is a lot more evidence for FSB involvement in the Moscow apartment bombings than any non-alqaida involvement in 9/11. Just read the Wikipedia for starters. If only the faith of Livochenko compared to that of Alex Jones should already speak volumes.

I guess the amount of evidence for the Moscow apartment bombings being a false flag and compare it to 9/11 should quickly debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories seems like.

[Geiseric]

Source: David Icke, Alex Jones, Illuminati insiders.

Look up NASHI, it's the same thing as Hitler youth... They have a camp Sileger (spelling?) Every year, where political opponents of Putin are equated with fascists. They have huge tents set up where Putin youth can make little Vladamirs as well.

[Sasha]

@ hexen, That's the shitty thing with conspiracy theories, the hide the actual real life conspiracies. Even with 9/11 shit happened that deserves attention. The fact that there was very suspicious trade in put- options in airline and insurance company stock shows someone, somewhere with more interest in money than jihad had at least some prior knowledge about an attack on or involving airplanes, but shit like the CIA & mossad blew up the twin towers with an controled demolition and that all the Jews got warned to stay at home makes everything rediculous.

[Riveraxis]

Of all the nations and all the conspiracies in the world,

What the hell makes anyone think that Russia caused 9/11?
I read the article but they didn't really say why they think that, just that they do.

Anyways I never assumed he was sympathetic to our goals. But it's good that a super power exists that opposes NATO. The world would look a lot different right now if Russia- and China too, neither of which are communist- were western proxy states.

[Comrade #138672]

He is the new Tsar.

[Riveraxis]

Whether he's a tsar/fascist/oil tycoon/ jihadist in disguise, is living under his rule any worse than your average capitalist nation?
I didn't figure the people of Russia would continuously elect a right-winger after 80 years of the USSR. Right?

[Ablearcher]

I know Putin is pretty much an imperialist but he at least seems to stick up for nations targeted by western powers.
I've always called this group of nations the "We're just about to be invited club". Do you honestly think that the governments of Cuba, Venezuela have anything in common with Iran or North Korea beyond the fact that they are subject to international sacnctions and pressure and have few other options than to trade with one another?

[MXNSTER]

I've always called this group of nations the "We're just about to be invited club". Do you honestly think that the governments of Cuba, Venezuela have anything in common with Iran or North Korea beyond the fact that they are subject to international sacnctions and pressure and have few other options than to trade with one another?

Well first of all, the other group is the "Listen to America or they will start a Coup against us."

But I think you are simply ignoring how much Oil America was receiving from Iran and Venezuela back when America was in control. Then those two countries had there revolutions and kicked America out, and since then America has been after them... Same goes for Cuba.

Just like the Middle East right now, America is funding and training the rebel groups because they are hoping the new government won't be friendly with Iran. Unfortunately, all these new government in the Middle East are going to be Anti-American unless America can put a puppet in control.

America is creating there own enemies, just like they created "terrorists" that are now infinite in numbers in the Middle East.

[Rousedruminations]

I think you make a good point here, america the great holy white power of the north always has an imperialist agenda, exploiting the resources of developing countries for their own profits, each adiministration has a different type of means in installing puppet dictators either through military intervention, funding under the guise of 'democracy' or through other illegitimate means. The core are well developed nations (the U.S), the manufacturing ones are for example china and the nations in the periphery are third world countries. America uses the whole process for this own material worth self gratification, glorifying its image for american 'exceptionalism' which again is xenophobic. Putin,the late hugo chavez, fidel - especially che- were fiercely anti-imperialist. I guess putin isn't a disguised radical socialist, he is a bonaparte, an aristocratic leader who uses statism , the state, centralised power, to fend off americas imperalistic ambitions- I guess Iran shares the same sentiments, but the country is an islamic republic.