ernesto or fidel

[Comrade Alex]

In my debate team a spar round came up and we debated whether Castro or Che should have become president of Cuba
The debate ended in a draw but got me thinking
Who would have made a better president che or fidel
Personaly I'm a fan of both but what do you guys think?

[Comrade Nasser]

In my debate team a spar round came up and we debated whether Castro or Che should have become president of Cuba
The debate ended in a draw but got me thinking
Who would have made a better president che or fidel
Personaly I'm a fan of both but what do you guys think?

I like Ol' Che a bit more. But Fidel is cool in my book too, and he has a kick-ass beard.

[one10]

I've spent over 8 years studying the Cuban Revolution and I can tell you that Fidel Castro is without a doubt the best candidate for presidency that Cuba has had and will probably ever have. In comparison to other world leaders, Fidel Castro is honest, charismatic, revolutionary, and one of imperialism's greatest rivals. The achievements of the Cuban revolution are to be celebrated and Castro really proved himself as a leader in the face of adversity during the Cold War and the Special Period which saw Cuba on the brink of a complete economic collapse.

Che was a great man and arguably the greatest revolutionary that ever existed. His contributions to guerilla warfare and strategy is what helped El movimiento de Julio 26 become victorious and it continues to influence and guide guerilla movements worldwide. With that being said, he wasn't the greatest politician in the sense that most politicians have a reputation of being somewhat dishonest with hidden agendas. The world was not ready for a man as bold and honest as Che Guevara to hold any sort of presidency, nor do I believe a man of his character desired such a position.

You should research some information on Camilo Cienfuegos. Fidel, Che, and Camilo were the big three of the Cuban Revolution.

[Brutus]

I would rather have the workers democratically controlling society and the economy

[VDS]

I feel many people would pick Che, but I don't know how he'd operate as a leader of a state. Fidel has proven over the years to be a more than qualified leader, and it's doubtful that Che would have his savvy or the intelligence to keep Cuba afloat for as long as Castro has.

[one10]

I feel many people would pick Che, but I don't know how he'd operate as a leader of a state. Fidel has proven over the years to be a more than qualified leader, and it's doubtful that Che would have his savvy or the intelligence to keep Cuba afloat for as long as Castro has.

Not just that, but I doubt Che would've desired such a position.

[Deliverous]

Fidel Castro was a well-known figure in Cuba; it was his personality that argued played an important part in the victory of the Cuban revolutionaries. That is not to reduce everything to his personality – that would be wrong.

That said we cannot make such predictions. We simply do not know who would have been the greater leader.

[Dropdead]

Both are great men in my opinion.

[Geiseric]

Che realized that the goal of communists is to destroy the state and stayed uncorrupted unlike the bureaucrats in charge of Cuba such as Raul.

[Crabbensmasher]

Given it's circumstances, Cuba has been time and time again, the least likely country to succeed in times of adversary. But for some freaking reason, it's always stayed afloat. Fidel, in my opinion is the same man today that he was in 1959. Of course hes not a utopian; he's a pragmatist, but if you look at that, you'll see he's been the whole way through.

Cuba ... It's the corrupt tourist mecca that did a complete 360 degree turn overnight. It became massively dependent on Soviet aid during the Cold War, but when the SU collapsed, it found a way back onto it's feet, even though almost every other Soviet satellite folded.
And now it's the self-described Marxist-Leninist country that subsists off of tourism again - servicing the needs of the rich. Oh, and did I mention it started off as a primarily Nationalist rebellion?

My god, history is ironic.
Anyway, back to the point, even though a lot of people don't agree with what Cuba's become today, you have to hand it to Fidel; he's one determined bastard. Nobody could have done the shit he did.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Both are great men in my opinion.

Isn't that the problem? Great man theory of history and all that? I mean, Fidel is a personal favourite of mine in terms of his tenacity, leadership and personality, and his speech making, but he is also symptomatic of the problem of the 'great man' leadership; even when it is a genuine popularity, which it seems to be in his case, it overshadows the real existing problems in the jurisdictions that these great men lead/rule.

[Ele'ill]

neither

[Geiseric]

I mean communists aren't supposed to be statesmen there supposed to be DESTROYING the international bourgeois states to emancipated the proletariat. Che got closer than Fidel I'm this respect. Fidel wasn't even a communist until he was in charge of the Cuban state and he was under assault from the u.s. capitalists.

[Deity]

I mean communists aren't supposed to be statesmen there supposed to be DESTROYING the international bourgeois states to emancipated the proletariat. Che got closer than Fidel I'm this respect. Fidel wasn't even a communist until he was in charge of the Cuban state and he was under assault from the u.s. capitalists.

Do you honestly believe destroying the state would have been in ANY way strategic to the survival of Cuba?

[Geiseric]

Do you honestly believe destroying the state would have been in ANY way strategic to the survival of Cuba?

That's not what i meant; Marxists are internationalist. They have to pursue international revolution or else capitalism will eventually be restored. They shouldn't form states detatched from the working class and form police states. Che realized this, Fidel didn't.

[Ocean Seal]

In my debate team a spar round came up and we debated whether Castro or Che should have become president of Cuba
The debate ended in a draw but got me thinking
Who would have made a better president che or fidel
Personaly I'm a fan of both but what do you guys think?
It wouldn't have made a difference. Fidel was perhaps a shrewder bureaucrat and I don't think Che had the self-control to work well in the bureaucratic sphere, but other than that I don't really differentiate them.

[Akshay!]

It's hard to imagine Che as a President. I think of him as a true revolutionary. So I'd go with Fidel. Che should've survived Bolivia and then went on to create revolutions in 10 more countries.

[Geiseric]

It's hard to imagine Che as a President. I think of him as a true revolutionary. So I'd go with Fidel. Che should've survived Bolivia and then went on to create revolutions in 10 more countries.

Rather to support the working class like he did in Angola.

[blake 3:17]

It's hard to imagine Che as a President. I think of him as a true revolutionary. So I'd go with Fidel. Che should've survived Bolivia and then went on to create revolutions in 10 more countries.

Che shouldn't have fucked up in Bolivia, but that's another story. Brother didn't follow his own strategy.

I'd recommend people read this from Che: http://www.marxists.org/archive/guevara/1967/04/16.htm

[RATMfan1992]

Fidel Castro is the greatest Latin American leader of the 20th century. Che even looked up to him and knew he was the man to lead Cuba to build a socialist revolution.

[Geiseric]

Fidel Castro is the greatest Latin American leader of the 20th century. Che even looked up to him and knew he was the man to lead Cuba to build a socialist revolution.

He imprisoned lots of gay people you know.

[Wings Of Redemption]

Personally I've always had a soft spot for Che (many people do). He was certainly ahead of his time and possessed sheer determination to vanquish the Capitalist system and the Bourgeois. Fidel on the other hand was/is a charismatic leader and an extremely gifted public speaker. Despite this both revolutionaries had various flaws that I'm not going to bother going into now. Who do I think would have made a better head of state after the revolution? Personally I don't care because alternative history is a waste of time.

[Goblin]

Probably Fidel. Not sure why. Guess it's just his personality.