Poll: What is everyone's opinion on Obama?

[Comrade Nasser]

Sup Comrades,

Just started this thread to get to know the opinion of Revlefters on Mr. Obama. I don't see this topic discussed very often and I thought it would be interesting. My take on it; I don't hate Obama, but I'm not exactly endorsing the guy. I hate how the far right try's to portray him as a socialist and the webmaster of Revleft lmao.

Also, please explain why you hold this opinion and if you'd like, what country you hail from.

[melvin]

He is a bastard and I am opposed to him. I don't think it is possible to be radical and not hold that opinion. I'm from the United States.

[LOLseph Stalin]

He's an alright guy, but his politics are terrible for obvious reasons. Also, I think my mother is confused. She claims to sympathize with socialism, but she says she likes Obama :confused:. Somehow I think she doesn't entirely know what socialism is.

[DasFapital]

he's basically a moderate republican who scared a bunch of conservatives because he happened to be a black man with a funny name.

[Rooiakker]

I didn't vote for him.

(Actually I voted for Jill Stein if you care.)

[Comrade Nasser]

I didn't vote for him.

(Actually I voted for Jill Stein if you care.)

Why would you think I don't care? I'm not old enough to vote btw :(

[Starship Stormtrooper]

I'm from the US and I voted that I hate him and his politics. Not only are his politics the traditional neo-liberal insistence on austerity, the "progressive" veneer that he chooses to display at times actually legitimizes it :mad:. This is of course besides the auto-bailout (that insisted on worker cuts and executive raises), his expansion of the US war of terror, the healthcare "reform," and his opportunistic support of various other progressive causes to rally the party faithful for his election. To top it off, the man manages to be accused of "socialism" by right-wingers, allowing them to even further dilute the word's meaning (by associating what we have now with it) and obscuring any kind of alternative to the present system.

[Comrade Nasser]

I'm from the US and I voted that I hate him and his politics. Not only are his politics the traditional neo-liberal insistence on austerity, the "progressive" veneer that he chooses to display at times actually legitimizes it :mad:. This is of course besides the auto-bailout (that insisted on worker cuts and executive raises), his expansion of the US war of terror, the healthcare "reform," and his opportunistic support of various other progressive causes to rally the party faithful for his election. To top it off, the man manages to be accused of "socialism" by right-wingers, allowing them to even further dilute the word's meaning (by associating what we have now with it) and obscuring any kind of alternative to the present system.

I hate how conservatives call Obama a "Socialist". That's blasphemy. Lenin is rolling in his grave right now :(

[Taters]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head, durruticolumn.

His facade of progressivism is what pisses me off the most.

[Comrade Samuel]

he's basically a moderate republican who scared a bunch of conservatives because he happened to be a black man with a funny name.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's kind of strange but he is one of the few politicians I know of who is able to not come off as a complete scumbag. That doesn't in any way change his scumbaggy nature but at least he can hide it.

[sixdollarchampagne]

The Incumbent illustrates the fact that the Democratic Party is not any kind of answer and cannot solve the problems working people face. The last time I checked, Obama's poverty numbers were worse than those of George W. Bush, the liberals' nemesis, and that never gets reported. The present Administration has been accompanied by sky-high unemployment, 10% at times, and, currently, I believe, around 8.8% – all of which represents a social crisis that goes largely unmentioned, hitting working people hard. Here's a fact that shows what trouble we're in: 40% of people in the US now make less than the 1968 minimum wage http://thecontributor.com/40-americans-now-make-less-1968-minimum-wage, and that is one big indictment of the Democrats, IMHO.

[Art Vandelay]

Don't vote; see avatar.

[Comrade Nasser]

Don't vote; see avatar.

I know you don't vote Comrade 9mm lol.

[Geiseric]

He's a sociopath who prides himself in supporting Israel and bombing Afghani children. He's my mortal enemy for the next 3 years. On top of that he knows he can pull off austerity because he's black. He's a chronic lier, as are all, I repeat ALL bourgeois politicians.

[MarxSchmarx]

obama is irrelevant

[Klaatu]

While I do not have a strong opinion of whether Obama himself is good or bad, one thing is for sure:
the dickhead he ran against would have destroyed this country.

[Comrade Nasser]

While I do not have a strong opinion of whether Obama himself is good or bad, one thing is for sure:
the dickhead he ran against would have destroyed this country.

Yeah your right. One reason I sort of kind of admire Obama is that he pisses scumfront off. I remember the day of the second coming of Obama (LOL) assorted troll mix of liberal, Marxist, my little pony fans, feminists and Lefties of every shade descended on scumfront to troll and they actually crashed the site LMFAO.

[Goblin]

An evil man who should be jailed for war crimes.
http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/diesel-engines/us-army-selects-sturman-industries-for-rotary-diesel-fuel-injection/32427334/999.jpg

[Blake's Baby]

He's a bourgeois politician. If I had to chose him and Romney, for instance, if I had to go to dinner with one of them or if one or other of them was going to sit next to me on a bus, I'd chose Obama, because he seems more affable. But that's it.

[hatzel]

I'd go for a beer with him because my whole life isn't consumed by politics...

[Orange Juche]

He seems like a well intentioned, genuinely good person. That doesn't make up for what actions he takes in that office - slaveowners in certain cases were very kinds to their slaves, employers very kind to their employees - doesn't mean the institution isn't rotten and that what they do isn't rotten.

[Zealot]

I voted for "I don't hate the guy, but I don't agree with his politics". He's the sort of guy that would make a good friend as long as politics weren't discussed. I mean, I could probably sit down with him and have an engaging conversation whereas someone like Bush would have lost my attention before we exchanged a Hello.

[Red Banana]

I voted hate him and his politics because the two are kind of inseparable. What he's done and the crimes he's committed are a part of him now. Saying he'd be nice to have a beer with, despite his politics/actions is like saying John Wayne Gacy would be nice to have a beer with, despite all the child molestation and murder.

http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/beer_clown.jpg

[teflon_john]

one thing is for sure: shame on the OP for that stupid little racist "2termz" picture.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Opportunist, murderous fucker. Fuck him.

His shit even works on leftists, from the look of this poll.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

He's the son Bush senior wishes he had.

I mean, Obama uses a lot of "left-wing" rhetoric, but the reality is quite different. In fact, due to his alleged leftism, he can get away with things that no Republican could - increased use of drones, for example, his murderously neoliberal policies etc. And the man seems to be a rank hypocrite - dropping soundbites about the rights of minorities while slashing social programs and bailing out the notoriously white ultra-rich, mentioning gay rights while continuing to support murderously homophobic regimes and the witch hunt against B. Manning etc.

I am surprised that so many people can be taken in by insincere, quasi-ordoliberal rhetoric.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

He is a rat bastard whom is no different than Romney. His personality doesn't matter an inch in regards to his politics so that being said I wouldn't have a drink or anything with the murderer of thousands of workers.

[Valdyr]

I would rather have him than the Republicans, but that isn't saying very much. As far as I'm concerned he is a neoliberal, imperialist, arch-bourgeois.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I voted for "I don't hate the guy, but I don't agree with his politics". He's the sort of guy that would make a good friend as long as politics weren't discussed. I mean, I could probably sit down with him and have an engaging conversation whereas someone like Bush would have lost my attention before we exchanged a Hello. I dunno he seems the type of guy who would fit in drone strike jokes in every conversation even if he knows it will make things awkward.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Fuck him to hell and fuck his bullshit politics.

I'm from the US.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

An evil man who should be hung for war crimes.

Fixed.

[Tim Cornelis]

I voted for "I don't hate the guy, but I don't agree with his politics". He's the sort of guy that would make a good friend as long as politics weren't discussed. I mean, I could probably sit down with him and have an engaging conversation whereas someone like Bush would have lost my attention before we exchanged a Hello.

Yeah, you could sit down and have a friendly conversation with a guy who's responsible for more children and teenager's deaths than Breivik killed people? His tears over 20 children in Sansy Hook made me barf.

http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen/

[Goblin]

Seriously though, why would anyone have a beer with that child killing douchebag? What would you talk about? Dead iraqi kids? Oppression of US workers? I also read somewhere that he likes to joke about the special olympics. Fuck Obama! The world would be a safer place without him!

[RedHal]

was gonna troll the poll and vote I love him and his politics, but couldn't get myself to do it. I hate him and his politics.

[Asmo]

I very strongly disagree with his political opinions (obviously), but I don't hate him. I hate very few people, and there are far worse people than Obama. Ordering drone strikes is pretty much inexcusable though.

[Comrade Nasser]

one thing is for sure: shame on the OP for that stupid little racist "2termz" picture.

Purely satirical my friend :laugh:

[ВАЛТЕР]

He is a bad person and should feel bad.

[l'Enfermé]

He's my favourite communist since Clinton.

Also, y'all racist for wanting to hang a black man. That's called lynching.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

I have listened to speeches from him during the elections, and some of the things he said reminded me of fascist leaders. "Make america great", "This great country", "Make america the most powerful country".
This kind of stuff is what fascist politicians say!
I do see many more fascist thing about the USA: the flag being everywhere, saluting to the flag, having to stand up for the national anthem, army presence in schools, constant nationalist propaganda, and the biggest of them all: the fact that some americans think going to war is cool. Seriously!?
This kind of stuff is seen as authoritarian in Portugal! Here it is unthinkable to stand up for the national anthem, much less to salute the flag!

Anyway. Obama seems to be influenced by the european social-democrats, as he uses the same promisses, the same slogans, and the same speech style. His politics are exactly the same as the ones of the republicans. All politicians are to be hated, even the communist ones.

[L.A.P.]

what's up with all the "i would hang out with him and have a drink" shit? you really think the fake gestures and mask he would put up during a session at a bar makes the fact that he's a wealthy self-satisfied prick any more tolerable?

[human strike]

He's alright, but he sure does drone on a bit.

I'm assuming that the 3 who voted 'I love him and his politics' are accelerationists.

[Brutus]

Obama disarmed the population whilst beefing up his military. He is a despicable hypocrite who's drone strikes and support for Israel have killed children, men and when around the globe.

[human strike]

what's up with all the "i would hang out with him and have a drink" shit? you really think the fake gestures and mask he would put up during a session at a bar makes the fact that he's a wealthy self-satisfied prick any more tolerable?

It has been said that in any US presidential election the "I'd have a drink with him" factor is the most important. It explains why Romney lost anyway.

[Rational Radical]

Anybody who's saying they find him preferable to a republican is truly deluded and out of touch with the reality of American politics.The man has waged unofficial imperialist wars with several different countries over his first 4 years via drone strikes which have killed far more innocent civilians than terrorists. He bailed out several banks which has resulted in nothing but a "jobless recovery",higher bonuses for bosses and layoffs of the people you glorify with your "intellectualism" the working class,and has yet to even atleast object to republican austerity.As Glen Ford said, he's the more effective evil and as Cornel West said, a republican in black face that has duped the people,even supposed leftist. Fuck some tea or a conversation with a capitalist or bourgeoise bureaucrat

[Comrade Nasser]

He's my favourite communist since Clinton.

Also, y'all racist for wanting to hang a black man. That's called lynching.

LOL. Speaking of racism, anyone ever know what happened with the KKK saying they were going to formulate the largest rally since the 1920's?

>Largest rally since 1920

>No one shows up

>Why am I not surprised?

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

He's my favourite communist since Clinton.

Also, y'all racist for wanting to hang a black man. That's called lynching.

You got me there.

[teflon_john]

Purely satirical my friend :laugh:

you don't know what satire is, in that case. his politics and actions provide more than enough reasons to criticize him, but posting a "swagged-out hip hop" caricature of him is fucking racist. again, shame on you.

[Decolonize The Left]

This poll is unbelievably poorly worded.

In the first place, no one on a radical leftist forum is going to vote "i love his politics."

In the second place, he is better than the republican candidates. Not when it comes to the agenda of capital, no, but certainly when it comes to female reproductive rights and immigration. Yes he's not progressive but holy shit the republicans are so reactionary you're looking at chastity belts and giants walls between the US and Mexico. So let's not get carried away with the blue=red over-simplifications just because we don't agree with either on most issues.

In the third place, the whole question of 'do you hate him' is just silly. He's a classic centrist politician in charge of the largest capitalist economy the world has ever known. So.... yeah... he's gonna do what we all expected him to do. Hate him? I guess, maybe if you take shit like that personally. But the truth is that this government isn't run by one man - it's run by capitalist interests and large lobby groups. So hate away all you want but I'll save my hate for some fascist/racist/sexist/homophobia fucker I meet in real life.

And finally, of course we all hate his politics. This is an internet forum for revolutionary leftists. This poll is like asking: Do you like capitalism?
1) Yes. I love it.
2) Meh. Whatever and where are my tacos?
3) No, I don't really care for it very much.
4) No. I'd like a society based upon the idea of to each according to need and from each according to ability.

Seriously.

[Tenka]

I voted "I hate him and his politics", but I can't really hate a sock-puppet.

[Riveraxis]

I hate him and his politics.

Just about all of his politics. I don't know the guy personally anymore than I know anybody he works for. But I hate them all because they commit gross acts against humanity at every occasion.
But Obama is at least kind of unique just because he followed Bush. After 8 years of Bush, I think a great many Americans were waking up to the true nature of our politics. Obama pulled the old 'smoke and mirrors' bit again and killed all of that progress.

I don't like the idea that he's "better than a republican". No he's not. They're both going to run bourgeois policies and wage imperialistic wars. If a third major party emerged, they'd do the same. Doesn't matter what they "stand for". Main difference I see is that a democrat will blatantly lie about their concern for the middle class, environment, whatever else it is they're harping on, while a republican is rather straight forward about it. They want to be sure that most varieties of people are encompassed within the two false political standpoints, so that the one real standpoint goes unchallenged.

[Geiseric]

Well we need a working class party in the U.S. this goes without saying imo.

[Orange Juche]

His shit even works on leftists, from the look of this poll.

No, some people can just articulate that things aren't extremely simplistic.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I voted that I love him and his politics to be a troll.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Also, this:
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[MarxArchist]

He's an alright guy, but his politics are terrible for obvious reasons. Also, I think my mother is confused. She claims to sympathize with socialism, but she says she likes Obama :confused:. Somehow I think she doesn't entirely know what socialism is.
He's not an alright guy he's a snake in the grass. A wolf in sheep's clothing. A trojan horse representing the interests of capital in a time of capitalist crisis and war. If it weren't for Obama umpteen millions of people would have in 2008-9-10-11-12 and now done much more than the symbolic "Occupy Wall St" which mysteriously fizzled out going into the 2012 election.

Capitalists know what they're doing and they out maneuvered the left with Obama's ascension to (symbolic) power. To put it another way, if you don't get it yet ;) he is a giant pacifier put in the lefts mouth and he knows that's what his role is which makes him a bastard even if we don't take the war time policies and austerity plans into account. Alright guy my ass. At least with Bush people didn't thank him for being an evil son of a *****.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I voted "I hate him and his politics", but I can't really hate a sock-puppet.

Fuck, now Obama's a sock of Iron Felix as well? When will it end?

Ah, right, constructive contribution, constructive contribution. I think it really is possible to hate a puppet when the puppet deceives people into thinking that actual progressive change is going on. Or at least, it's possible to hate what the puppet does and what the puppet represents.

[Comrade Nasser]

you don't know what satire is, in that case. his politics and actions provide more than enough reasons to criticize him, but posting a "swagged-out hip hop" caricature of him is fucking racist. again, shame on you.
Sorry?

[Comrade Nasser]

This poll is unbelievably poorly worded.

In the first place, no one on a radical leftist forum is going to vote "i love his politics."

In the second place, he is better than the republican candidates. Not when it comes to the agenda of capital, no, but certainly when it comes to female reproductive rights and immigration. Yes he's not progressive but holy shit the republicans are so reactionary you're looking at chastity belts and giants walls between the US and Mexico. So let's not get carried away with the blue=red over-simplifications just because we don't agree with either on most issues.

In the third place, the whole question of 'do you hate him' is just silly. He's a classic centrist politician in charge of the largest capitalist economy the world has ever known. So.... yeah... he's gonna do what we all expected him to do. Hate him? I guess, maybe if you take shit like that personally. But the truth is that this government isn't run by one man - it's run by capitalist interests and large lobby groups. So hate away all you want but I'll save my hate for some fascist/racist/sexist/homophobia fucker I meet in real life.

And finally, of course we all hate his politics. This is an internet forum for revolutionary leftists. This poll is like asking: Do you like capitalism?
1) Yes. I love it.
2) Meh. Whatever and where are my tacos?
3) No, I don't really care for it very much.
4) No. I'd like a society based upon the idea of to each according to need and from each according to ability.

Seriously.
How would you have worded it if you don't mind me asking? (for future reference).

[Let's Get Free]

You do not have to personally hate someone that you fundamentally disagree with. I do not hate Obama, because I realize the system runs the politicians, not the other way around. Demonizing him alone or eliminating him is not the answer, we must destroy the system that hired him and has him doing their bidding.

[Althusser]

How can fellow leftists be aware of Obama's neo-liberal antics, yet unsure of whether not Obama is a good or bad guy.

[Comrade #138672]

You do not have to personally hate someone that you fundamentally disagree with. I do not hate Obama, because I realize the system runs the politicians, not the other way around. Demonizing him alone or eliminating him is not the answer, we must destroy the system that hired him and has him doing their bidding.You are right that we shouldn't let ourselves be distracted by Obama. However, he does represent the bourgeoisie and is thus deserving of our condemnation. It is indeed the system which created him in the first place, but if we are only allowed to 'hate the system', then we are artificially separating the abstract from the concrete. Without condemning and fighting the concrete elements of Capitalism, how are we supposed to achieve anything at all?

Politics is personal.

[Philosophos]

pfff I went for the "I don't hate the guy but I don't agree with his politics" and I voted by mistake the upper one :(. anyway the guy is better than some other candidates that existed before him but he still serves the capital.

[Labor Aristocrat Killer]

A little less than half this forum have political views which put them inside the Democratic Party, judging from the poll.

Obama is a mass-murdering Zionist fascist who deserves to be executed.

[Pleb]

5 love him and his politics? Clearly on the wrong forum

[Orange Juche]

Obama is a mass-murdering Zionist fascist who deserves to be executed.

Fair trial out of the question? Life in prison not adequate enough?

[Nevsky]

Obama is a fake progressive who helps to further enforce capital's rule over the world. Every genuine leftist revolutionary should oppose him and his policies. Although I really doubt that he is worse than most of the republicans. At least his populist campaigns don't spread medieval views throughout the USA.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

This one should be simple -- Obama is the imperialist-in-chief of the strongest capitalist nation on earth. Oh yeah, I'd have a beer with him to ask him how many US citizens he plans to murder, how he is going to further impoverish the poor so that the rich may feast on their carcasses, cool stuff like that. WTF comrades, he has betrayed no one! He is what he set out to be. Leftist rhetoric? I must have missed it. If you are disappointed by him, you should reconsider your politics and read some Marx and Lenin.

[Comrade Nasser]

5 love him and his politics? Clearly on the wrong forum

I think those people voted like that to troll the poll lol

[Fourth Internationalist]

There is neither bourgeois justice nor prisons in communist society.

How can there be no trials or prisons? What does society do with criminals? How do we know who is innocent and guilty?

[Hit The North]

I voted He's better than any republican candidate because this is a factual statement given that he isn't a brainless fuckwit with the political instincts of a Medieval pope.

[Hit The North]

Obama is a mass-murdering Zionist fascist who deserves to be executed.

I see you are continuing your campaign of spreading stupidity across this board :rolleyes:

[Orange Juche]

There is neither bourgeois justice nor prisons in communist society.

I love how when people disagree with me on here for being critical of authoritarianism, my critiques are dismissed as "bourgeois". It's a very weak strawman.

There's a lot I really don't like about the current way of things, especially in the justice system (rampant racism, for example) - but one thing I do like is the principle it is supposed to live up to - innocent until proven guilty, no cruel and unusual punishment.

Even the Colorado shooter gets a trial, we all know he did it. At the very least, it still ensures the punishment is more likely to be appropriate to what he did. Rather than what you're advocating, which is a chaotic slaughter of people you don't like - and which, I can guarantee, will result in the deaths of wrongly accused.

[Orange Juche]

I know, let's have communist society but make it basically the same as the one that already exists, yeah?

AGAIN, a strawman. I clearly was not saying that, so implying that I was is dodging any criticism I have. There's a great deal of things that should be different, but the principle that a person has a right to a trial of some sort and to defend themselves as opposed to execution without said self-defense/trial, is a basic human right. Actually getting all of the facts and analyzing all of the evidence is important, and in cases, exonerates people who should be exonerated. Nothing is perfect, but it's a far cry better than mob vengeance.

You saying "There is neither bourgeois justice" directly implied what I was describing - a fair trial - was bourgeois justice. Which, then, would be opposed to proletarian justice. Justice is justice, "bourgeois justice" is as sensible a lingual concept as "reverse racism".




Yes cos I am advocating the wholesale slaughter of people I don't like you mental bastard.

Well then what did you mean by "bourgeois justice" and how does that relate to the idea of a "fair trial" as opposed to just executing someone? And calling me names doesn't help your argument, but I digress.

[Comrade Nasser]

I know, let's have communist society but make it basically the same as the one that already exists, yeah?

Yes cos I am advocating the wholesale slaughter of people I don't like you mental bastard.

Does someone need a time-out? Please don't flame other posters, you make us look dim-witted and unapproachable. It makes us seem no different than those we oppose.

[Broha]

I don't hate him, but I'm definitely not a fan. The NDAA and the drones really piss me off, but I think this healthcare idea might be beneficial (I don't know a lot about it). All in all though, he's definitely better than any Republican/ "Conservative Libertarian". They're pretty much insane. Also, as a bunch of other people have already said, the right really needs to stop calling him "socialist" because he's pretty far from it.

[benderbrau]

When I started to see more of the same from Obama that I saw from 8 years of Bush, the corruption and transparency of the US' so-called democracy became that much more clear to me. So yeah, definitely hate him.

[Crux]

I don't see how "being better than Republicans", whatever that means, would somehow be a stamp of approval.

A little less than half this forum have political views which put them inside the Democratic Party, judging from the poll.

Obama is a mass-murdering Zionist fascist who deserves to be executed.
Anyone with eyes in their head can see this is obviously false for several reasons.
So are you just here to troll or...?

[Labor Aristocrat Killer]

Anyone with eyes in their head can see this is obviously false for several reasons.

Just reading the posts in this thread should be more than enough to show that the "radicals" here have more in common with the views of Rachel Maddow than they do Lenin, Trotsky, or any anarchist.

[Crux]

Just reading the posts in this thread should be more than enough to show that the "radicals" here have more in common with the views of Rachel Maddow than they do Lenin, Trotsky, or any anarchist.
Welcome to the Learning forum. You're still pretty much factually wrong though if you would actually have read the poll. Nevermind.

[Comrade Nasser]

Honestly this poll was not meant to be taken very seriously. Now everyones at each others throats. What have I done?

[Synthesis-]

He's a pathological liar psychopath who uses left wing rhetoric as a smoke screen to lull this country to fucking sleep while hes extremely reactionary. This response lacks detail and analysis on a greater scale but hes doing alot of harm because people associate him with left wing politics and thought and all that. Anyone who supports him fuck you.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I don't hate him personally - no more than other US Presidents (I think maybe I only really "hated" Regan and Clinton but that hate developed before I was a revolutionary :lol:).

ButI definately hate his politics and more generally what he represents as head executive of the biggest capitalist power in the world.

[Orange Juche]

Just reading the posts in this thread should be more than enough to show that the "radicals" here have more in common with the views of Rachel Maddow than they do Lenin, Trotsky, or any anarchist.

So hatred is mandatory?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I voted I hate him and his politics but it's really just his politics that I actually hate. Although it's really hard to separate politics from the individual when that person is the POTUS. Before Obama I had only really been conscious of anything political under the Bush years. Therefore the Democrats were the opposition party. Even though I was a communist and didn't think the Democrats would really do much of anything there was a tiny sliver of hope within me that things might actually change. That sliver of hope was swiftly crushed under Obama and only strengthened my positions. I mean the expansion of the war on terror globally, the bailout, the insistence on austerity, the threat to use the Coast Guard to break a strike, the fact that Obama seems to be outstripping Bush when it comes to things people were really pissed about under Bush(More deportations than Bush, expansion of the "security" state, more raids on marijuana dispensaries, etc, etc). In essence he clearly is there to protect the capitalist class(I mean really, too big to jail?), therefore I hate his politics. And he does this all under the veneer of being a "progressive" president, whatever the fuck that's actually supposed to mean. He's bad news.

[Hit The North]

I don't hate him personally - no more than other US Presidents (I think maybe I only really "hated" Regan and Clinton but that hate developed before I was a revolutionary :lol:).


How did you manage not to hate Bush Jnr, perhaps the most despicable human garbage to ever sit in the White House? He was a total ****

[Comrade #138672]

I love how when people disagree with me on here for being critical of authoritarianism, my critiques are dismissed as "bourgeois". It's a very weak strawman.It isn't wrong to be critical of authoritarianism per se, but your posts do remind me of bourgeois Liberals.


There's a lot I really don't like about the current way of things, especially in the justice system (rampant racism, for example) - but one thing I do like is the principle it is supposed to live up to - innocent until proven guilty, no cruel and unusual punishment.

Even the Colorado shooter gets a trial, we all know he did it. At the very least, it still ensures the punishment is more likely to be appropriate to what he did. Rather than what you're advocating, which is a chaotic slaughter of people you don't like - and which, I can guarantee, will result in the deaths of wrongly accused.It seems pretty nice, but the bourgeois legal system is very Idealistic and mostly serves the bourgeoisie.

I also think the bourgeois legal system runs terribly short in extreme situations; for example, in revolutionary situations...

[Ele'ill]

It is amazing to me how many alleged leftists are in the faddish 'he and I could get beers cuz my lyfe isn't based around politics' group.

When someone at work or a friend or an acquaintance says 'you know, I like that/those cops/bosses they are people I could go get beers with them cuz my lyfe isn't based around politics' it is the last time I talk or listen to them.

[tehAdmrl]

I dislike him, but I don't hate him; his politics and policy however are despicable and horrid.

[Crux]

It is amazing to me how many alleged leftists are in the faddish 'he and I could get beers cuz my lyfe isn't based around politics' group.

When someone at work or a friend or an acquaintance says 'you know, I like that/those cops/bosses they are people I could go get beers with them cuz my lyfe isn't based around politics' it is the last time I talk or listen to them.
I imagine getting plastered with George W. Bush would be more amusing.

[Mather]

Back in the 1960s and 70s, Obama would have been a Rockefeller Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Republican).

The contemporary GOP's obsession with Obama has nothing at all to do with his politics and has everything to do with the GOP's current trajectory to the far-right.

[Akshay!]

Emma (Goldman) used to say "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

So in that sense he is irrelevant. Actually, on a personal level, all of them are irrelevant. It's like being a CEO. If you don't increase profits for your company, you're out and someone else is in. Now it doesn't matter if you're a "good" person. What matters are the consequences of your actions. And those are determined by your role in the capitalist machine. It's the same with Obama. He has to serve powerful people, if he doesn't, he'd be replaced.

And "socialist"? Comeon, gimme a break. That's like saying the CEO of Exxon Mobil is an environmentalist.:grin:

[Radji]

I voted I don't hate the guy, but I don't agree with his politics. A few years ago I would of answered differently, but that was before I found out about all the flaws. Obama doesn't really have a plan to fix the economy, and his handling of foreign affairs is making more enemies for the US than allies.