View Full Version : Why’re there women who’re sexist against theirselves ?
Romanophile
13th March 2013, 09:19
Is it self‐hatred grown by hostility from others ?
TheRedAnarchist23
13th March 2013, 09:59
Is it self‐hatred grown by hostility from others ?
Probably. It might also derive from a desire not to work as men do. My mother, for example, would gladly stay at home and tend to it, instead of having to go to work. However this creates a problem, they might see that the only way for that ever to happen they need to support reactionary ideas. My mother is smarter than that though.
Anglo-Saxon Philistine
13th March 2013, 10:04
"Tending to home" is work; unpaid, repetitive, usually under-appreciated work. The real problem, I think, is that women internalise misogynist ideology, the backwards expectations and ideas about how a "real women" is like. Those women, in my experience at least, simply consider it proper for a woman to do all the housework, for example.
AConfusedSocialDemocrat
13th March 2013, 10:48
What do you exactly mean?
TheRedAnarchist23
13th March 2013, 10:56
"Tending to home" is work; unpaid, repetitive, usually under-appreciated work. The real problem, I think, is that women internalise misogynist ideology, the backwards expectations and ideas about how a "real women" is like. Those women, in my experience at least, simply consider it proper for a woman to do all the housework, for example.
You must live in a very conservative country. Here it is considered normal for women to work as men do, and it is rare to see a woman who just tends to the home. In fact the crisis has forced almost all women to work, and if they don't do it there won't be enough money to support the family.
There is no such a thing as the idea of a "real woman" here, maybe because of the widespread pro-leftist ideas that appeared after the April revolution.
Jimmie Higgins
13th March 2013, 11:20
What do you exactly mean?Yeah, I'm not really sure what's meant specifically by "sexist against themselves".
In general though, a section of people always seem to internalize their own oppression, or at least oppressive attitudes. Why not? These attitudes are common and are often promoted among people. If every magizine marketed towards you says "human nature is like X" and "women are always nuturers and don't like to argue" then it doesn't just become bigoted men, or men in general, who adopt these notions. People under Jim-Crow, most of the time accepted this as "natural" and sought peace within the system even if they didn't think it was right - and some internalized the ideas that black people weren't "worthy" of the same things as whites.
Quail
13th March 2013, 13:24
We're raised in a patriarchal society so it's only natural that we internalise the values of that society. Part of being a feminist as a woman is looking at your own beliefs about yourself and the roles of men and women and discarding the damaging ones in favour of beliefs that make you feel like an equal, valuable human being. Pretty sure Simone de Beauvoir and Emma Goldman both said this much more eloquently than I just did, but hopefully you get what I mean.
RedAtheist
13th March 2013, 13:47
Is it self‐hatred grown by hostility from others ?
Sexism isn't necessarily about "hostility". Sometimes it's made to sound like a giant compliment as in 'You women are all so caring, loving, sweet, gentle, nurturing and you work all so hard as housewife (I mean stay-at-home mom) and your work is all so valuable and a luv you so much, blah, blah, blah.' If conservatives were saying 'I hate women' their ideology would be much less appealing.
The complimentary nature of sentimental, conservative statements disguises the fact that they are more prescriptive than description. They tell women how they must behave and these instructions result in women playing a subservient role to men.
Narcissus
13th March 2013, 13:48
Sexism is about gender stereotypes. Anyone can believe those. Destroy capitalism, Destroy the patriarchy, Destroy gender stereotypes, and the sexism is gone.
Romanophile
13th March 2013, 20:19
What do you exactly mean?
Am not sure what exactly is unclear, but I shall attempt to elaborate. There exist a lot of women who are anti‐feminist, women who do not desire to be placed on equal footing with males, women who believe that they are inferior to men. It is not easy for me to comprehend why they would refuse equality, or why they would believe that men are superior. What is more confusing is that they desire other women to be set back, too.
Does this make sense ?
Art Vandelay
13th March 2013, 20:29
Probably for the same reason that the proletariat holds anti-working class views.
Comrade #138672
13th March 2013, 20:31
If they are bourgeois, which they usually are, it might give them a little edge over women who are not sexist towards other women.
It is also an internalization of the values of bourgeois society.
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