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Skyhilist
9th March 2013, 03:56
I know I just recently asked about this, but I'm still sort of confused.
I think the best way to ask this would be by giving a specific example.
One major issue for birds of prey is lead poisioning, which occurs from hunters using led ammo. How would issues like this be regulated an taken care of under anarchy?
Basically what I've heard so far is "isolate them from resources" or something along those lines. But how do you decide when it's appropriate to do something like that? What if someone or some group is/are committing serious crimes against the environment but the majority don't recognize it's harm and don't want to isolate the offenders? I mean how do you even decide what sufficient environmental harm is before action needs to be taken? How do you create environmental laws democratically if not everyone has a clear understanding of what constitutes environmental harm?

And yes, I know, there'd be less incentive to do such harm. But all of our environmental issues aren't just going to magically disappear because we eliminated capitalism.

Do any anarchists have a solution to this?

Decolonize The Left
9th March 2013, 04:04
I know I just recently asked about this, but I'm still sort of confused.
I think the best way to ask this would be by giving a specific example.
One major issue for birds of prey is lead poisioning, which occurs from hunters using led ammo. How would issues like this be regulated an taken care of under anarchy?
Basically what I've heard so far is "isolate them from resources" or something along those lines. But how do you decide when it's appropriate to do something like that? What if someone or some group is/are committing serious crimes against the environment but the majority don't recognize it's harm and don't want to isolate the offenders? I mean how do you even decide what sufficient environmental harm is before action needs to be taken? How do you create environmental laws democratically if not everyone has a clear understanding of what constitutes environmental harm?

And yes, I know, there'd be less incentive to do such harm. But all of our environmental issues aren't just going to magically disappear because we eliminated capitalism.

Do any anarchists have a solution to this?

These hypotheticals really ignore the whole process of creating and maintaining a leftist society in general. The change that this would represent within each and every human being is enormous, and well beyond our current understanding.

Or, in other words, why be concerned about how a possible future social organization will handle an issue when at present that very issue is important and at hand?

Skyhilist
9th March 2013, 04:10
Well I mean, even with enormous human change, we can expect perfection to be inevitable, so shouldn't we at least be striving for a system that has concise methods of dealing with any imperfections that may arise while also striving for progress on such issues within the system we live in now?

Durruti's friend
10th March 2013, 15:20
That's a very interesting and important question.

I've been thinking a lot about that issue too and the only way of getting rid of environmental problems that seems possible to me is through education before and during the revolution. Something like spreading environmentalist propaganda together with anarchist propaganda and, finally, incorporating environmentalism in the movement altogether, as it has been done with gay and minority rights.