What is your opinion on incest?

[JokingClown]

How is it different from homosexuality?
I suppose the biggest difference/arguement against it will be the diseases child born from incest can be born with.

BTW: Eintstein married his cousin.

[mhallex]

Children whose parents were first cousins are only at a slightly higher risk(1-2% higher) for developing genetic conditions adn diseases. Incest is only bad, genetically, if it is done on a large scale for a long amunt of time.

But even then, what right does the state have to dictate the individual choices and actions of its citizens. As long as you dont harm others(and incest doesnt. Nor does homosexuality or smkoing pot, just to provide some examples), it should be left open as an option to you.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:52 PM
Children whose parents were first cousins are only at a slightly higher risk(1-2% higher) for developing genetic conditions adn diseases. Incest is only bad, genetically, if it is done on a large scale for a long amunt of time.

But even then, what right does the state have to dictate the individual choices and actions of its citizens. As long as you dont harm others(and incest doesnt. Nor does homosexuality or smkoing pot, just to provide some examples), it should be left open as an option to you.
I fully agree. BTW there is another Incest thread going on as well.



What is it with people and incest these days!!






People should have the right to choose what they want to do.

[fallen camarade]

Umm...there is an opinion on this? An argument? Gross....

If you want to do someone in your family tree, that's your own business, but that dosen't mean it isn't disguisting....




So nasty.....

[hazard]

yeah, these comments coming from an obvious result of an incestious relationship

fc, take your nasty ass nasty word spouting nastiness and fuck off

[fallen camarade]

.......quit stalking me you friggin monkey.

[honest intellectual]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 07:42 PM
How is it different from homosexuality?

What do you mean by that? How is incest in any way like homosexuality?


The argument against incest most people would use is..... INCEST IS ICKY
My point being that there is an instinctive moral/ aesthetic revulsion to it. That makes it 'wrong' on a certain level.

[cubist]

incest is sick man.

funny thing for you thuogh is that at my old school they had to stop doing the whats your eye colours of your family and whats yours etc, as the uncle or the milkman were too regularly involved causing stress for the kids

[LSD]

The argument against incest most people would use is..... INCEST IS ICKY
My point being that there is an instinctive moral/ aesthetic revulsion to it. That makes it 'wrong' on a certain level.


A very large number of people say that homosexuality is icky too, does that make it 'wrong'?

[cubist]

LAD
no,

but incest can lead to deformity in babies, obviously cousins is different to dad and daughter but even so. and homosexuality can't reproduce

[LSD]

1) That's not the point, you argued that a cultural disgust for something made it wrong, I take it you're abandoning that position.

2) Two people with genetic diseases (e.g., Down's syndrom) reproducing will lead to "deformity in babies", so should they be sterilized for the greater good?

[monkeydust]

The point here for me isnt how 'icky' it is. Homosexuality used to be almost universally considered 'icky' and still is by many today, I wouldn't factor this into it.

However, for me incest is wrong because I feel that family relationships are special, in a way vastly different to any other, notably sexual relationships. I'm not saying I'd condemn anyone who practices incest, but i certainly wouldn't advocate it. I feel that family relationships should be some of the strongest we have, we can love our families of course, but in that way seems to undermine what family is all about.

[LSD]

However, for me incest is wrong because I feel that family relationships are special, in a way vastly different to any other, notably sexual relationships. I'm not saying I'd condemn anyone who practices incest, but i certainly wouldn't advocate it. I feel that family relationships should be some of the strongest we have, we can love our families of course, but in that way seems to undermine what family is all about.


It's a tough situation, mainly because it's tied into traditional notions of family and sexuality, many of which are no longer valid.

Basically, it comes down to the question of what is sex?

If you accept the contention that sex is intrinsically special, and that in an of itself it signifies something more than itself than that meaning would comes into conflict with the similar notion that the family relationship is equally but differently intrinsically special.

If, however, you reject one or both of those ideas, than the conflict vanishes.


Ultimately, it is a very personal issue, and therefore I would neither advocate nor condemn it, and I certainly would oppose any government intervention on the issue.

[cubist]

LAD i see, no i am not dropping my stance, i just said it was sick. imade no argument about culture i said it was sick the thought of shagging a family member does nothing for me. thats not society its me.

sex is not intrinsically special either, it is between lovers but that is love that makes it special, sex is nowadays just a leisurable activity like rounders or driving.

it is illegal isn't it? so government intervention exists. or is that just incestual marriage.

[LSD]

My point being that there is an instinctive moral/ aesthetic revulsion to it. That makes it 'wrong' on a certain level.

imade no argument about culture i said it was sick the thought of shagging a family member does nothing for me. thats not society its me.

Well, you can believe whatever you want, of course, but the statement that something is "wrong" indicates that you believe it goes beyond personal actions, it implies something about "society."

But I take it you're saying that you don't think it should be illegal (since "thats not society its me")??

[DarkAngel]

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Incest plain wrong. I don't think you should marry anybody in your blood line... Gay people are diffrent. Their not related, they should be able to love who they want to (just not family)

Yes it will hurt somebody. Accidents happen and what if someone gets pregnet that baby is gonna come out with a hand sticking out of its ass, if not worse!

And yes it is illegal (in the us).

[dannie]

incest in a lot of cases is wrong, i'm not talking about nephew and neace, but f.e father - daughter, if the daughter is young, lets say 9-10 years old and she has sex with his father, she can develop mental problems, like depression, dissociative personality disorder, shizofrenia, ...

it can harm others and when it does, it is wrong and it shouldn't be tollerated

[BuyOurEverything]

This has been discussed before. Does anyone opposed to incest have an actualy argument other than 'it's gross' (entirely subjective and not an argument at all) or 'there is a higher risk of birth defects' (which as LSD pointed out, applies to people with genetic disformaties, and I don't see anyone arguing to steralize them)? If not, please shut up.

[dannie]

have you read the post above you???

incest in father-daughter/brother - sister/ mother - son/... cases cause severe mental illenesses, incest with children should be fought against by all means possible

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 11:48 AM
have you read the post above you???

incest in father-daughter/brother - sister/ mother - son/... cases cause severe mental illenesses, incest with children should be fought against by all means possible
you're talking about pheadophillia which is a completely diffent issue, this is a discussion about incent between consenting adults not chldren.

[dannie]

pedophellia is when an adult is attracted to children, pedofellia is a dissease caused by a mallfunction in the brain

incest is sex between two relatives, relatives can be children, so incest can be sex with children

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 02:05 PM
pedophellia is when an adult is attracted to children, pedofellia is a dissease caused by a mallfunction in the brain

incest is sex between two relatives, relatives can be children, so incest can be sex with children
homosexuality can occur between an adult and a child.

[dannie]

and what does that have to do with anything???

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by jannez+Jan 31 2004, 06:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jannez @ Jan 31 2004, 06:12 PM)and what does that have to do with anything???[/b]
about as much as this;


[email protected] 28 2004, 05:55 PM
incest in a lot of cases is wrong, i&#39;m not talking about nephew and neace, but f.e father - daughter, if the daughter is young, lets say 9-10 years old and she has sex with his father, she can develop mental problems, like depression, dissociative personality disorder, shizofrenia, ...

[dannie]

no, i explained that incest between child and adult is wrong because it does harm the child, this topic doesn&#39;t state that incest can only be adult-adult, read a dictionary to know what incest is. maybe talk to someone who was abused by his/her parent(s)

[BuyOurEverything]

no, i explained that incest between child and adult is wrong because it does harm the child, this topic doesn&#39;t state that incest can only be adult-adult, read a dictionary to know what incest is. maybe talk to someone who was abused by his/her parent(s)

If you want to talk about pedophilia, do it in another thread, I think there are a few already.

True, incest can be between an adult and a child but so can any other type of sexual relationship. If a father has sexual relations with his underage daughter, that is incest but it is also pedophilia. I don&#39;t hear you advocating the banning of all types of sexual relationships because they can be practiced between an adult and a child.

Oh, and by the way, I did "read a dictionary"


in·cest
n.
1. Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.

2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.

I don&#39;t see anything in there about intergenerational sex.

[dannie]

the dictionary thing was not a comment on you,

and don&#39;t twist my words, i said that incest CAN be wrong in is in a lot of the cases where incest occurs...
and it depends on how old the child and the adult are, sex between an 11 year old and a 40 year old should be forbidden because an 11 year old child is not mentally developed to make that dessision and know the consequences of it&#39;s descision, a 15 year old and for instance an 18 year old is another case....

btw BuyOurEverything, are you tohono O&#39;odham?

[Misodoctakleidist]

jannez, what you are saying is that pheadophillia is wrong, incest is not pheadophillia.

[BuyOurEverything]

and don&#39;t twist my words, i said that incest CAN be wrong in is in a lot of the cases where incest occurs...
and it depends on how old the child and the adult are, sex between an 11 year old and a 40 year old should be forbidden because an 11 year old child is not mentally developed to make that dessision and know the consequences of it&#39;s descision, a 15 year old and for instance an 18 year old is another case....


OK, fine, you&#39;re against intergenerational sex. I disagree with you but it has nothing to do with incest and it can be discussed elsewhere. I&#39;d rather this not turn into yet another pedophilia thread, as all our discussions about unorthodox sexual relationships tend to.


btw BuyOurEverything, are you tohono O&#39;odham?

Um, no...

[antieverything]

If you mean cousin lovin&#39; then I&#39;m all for it. First cousins having children is only slightly more risky than two non-related people reproducing. If you mean brothers and sisters? Um...weird, I&#39;ve never thought of it. I really don&#39;t think it should be against the law. I don&#39;t believe that the government should recognize marriage, only civil unions, so if a brother and a sister want to engage in a civil union and have kids...or just like to have sex with one another I would disapprove but it shouldn&#39;t be made illegal simply because it doesn&#39;t hurt anyone but them (assuming this is some pretty psychologically fucked up shit) and perhaps the family.

[che's long lost daughter]

This topic has been dicussed already but incest will always be disgusting

[mia wallace]

incest is sick.... don&#39;t know. i can imagen you can fall in love with someone in your family tree, but if it&#39;s someone close as your father/mother or brother/sister... it&#39;s just disgusting :wacko:

[LSD]

It&#39;s disgusting, it&#39;s sick, it&#39;s icky, it&#39;s WRONG....

Fine, sure, I&#39;d tend to agree. But I also think that Swordfish is "icky" and "sick" and "disgusting". You want a law against swordfish???

You shouldn&#39;t legislate morality.

If someone wants to fuck their consenting of age sister, who&#39;s hurt??
Keep your morality out of my bedroom.

[BOZG]

Keep your morality out of my bedroom.

Exactly. Morality changes all the time. In 50 years, incest could be the most normal thing on earth.

[Individual]

Incest... basically if your cousin is Carmen Electra, then go for it. If you live in the back woods, then go for it. If you are in a royal family, then go for it. If you want to risk having mutated children, then go for it.

[Pingu]

i just think if you are older then 18, and you just want to have sex with a family member, and they want i too, you may do it

and father - daughter relation is kind of weird, right? (more chance to have a not fully healthy baby)
although i personally think it&#39;s sick :blink:

[allixpeeke]

<<How is it different from homosexuality?>>

Homosexuality is genetic in the sense that you’re either hetero-, homo-, or bi-. Incest, on the other hand, is more of a sexual preference. For example, I may have incest fantasies, while at the same time being able to enjoy non incest-related fantasies as well. I may want to fuck my sister, and still also wanting to fuck Natalie Portman. But, if I’m a heterosexual or a homosexual, I’m unable to cross over to the other side’s fantasies. That’s probably the most notable difference.

<<I suppose the biggest difference/arguement against it will be the diseases child born from incest can be born with.>>

Yeah, inbreading can be dangerous to the physical and mental health of individuals.

<<If you want to do someone in your family tree, that&#39;s your own business, but that dosen&#39;t mean it isn&#39;t disguisting....>>

I think that’s particularly the appeal it has to some. In fact, that’s the appeal of most fetishes.

<<The argument against incest most people would use is..... INCEST IS ICKY>>

That’s the same argument people tend to use against homosexuality. That, and their limited opinion on morality.

<<A very large number of people say that homosexuality is icky too, does that make it &#39;wrong&#39;?>>

No.

<<it is illegal isn&#39;t it? so government intervention exists. or is that just incestual marriage.>>

I think it is illegal to commit incest in America. Though, I don’t know how they go about enforcing it. If an incestual rape occurs, they’ll surely take action. As they should. But, if consensual incest takes place, and it doesn’t involve minors, I’m not sure if the American government takes any action whatsoever. And, if they do, in what manner.



I&#39;d neither advocate, nor condemn, consensual incest.

~~~alex.

[FabFabian]

You can&#39;t say "if someone is 18, then they are consenting adults" to justify incestuous relationships. We are dealing with the family dynamic that is frought with differing power levels. There will never exist any level of equity. Once the safety of the family unit is broken, it can&#39;t be repaired.