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BananaRepublic
8th March 2013, 01:47
Hello, I suppose this is an introduction as well as a question. I'm new to the forums. It's nice to meet you all.

I'm looking for a socialist group in the US of A to promote democratic socialism.

I've looked into DSA, but all they seem to care about is entitlements. Let me first tell you why i am a socialist and then perhaps you can direct me in the best possible way.

I believe in and admire the idea of collective unity. I think that working together we can come to a better place than we are in the USA as we are now. I feel that while capitalism in it's current state in the USA is not a poor system, that democratic socialism is a better system. I don't think in black and white. It's not Capitalism=bad Socialism=good. Rather, a scale of good/bad. I guess you could say I'm a moderate socialist.

The issue I feel is a lack of representation in the United States for a true socialist voice or vision. From my very limited experience with DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) they are an utter and complete joke.

Things I value and feel are essential to an effective socialist nation, and things essential to avoid the "degenerate workers state" as trotsky rightfully called the soviet union under Stalin.

1. An intelligent citizenry, thoroughly educated and provided with a broad and well-rounded education.
2. A solid moral foundation, with which to build society upon. I favour religion, but others I know will favour secular humanism. (I feel this is a mistake, but this is not a religious post)
3. A STRONG central government that is run by the people, for the people and via the people. (in today's modern society, we could do things democratically INCREDIBLY easily with modern technology and computers)
4. A strong work ethic culture, heavy with governmental support of said strong work ethic culture. (think soviet era propaganda, one thing they did right)
5. A heavier emphasis on WORK, rather than the benefits of said work as collectivism is inherently less productive for the individual than exploitative capitalism in the short run yet in the LONG-run better for all.
6. A strong system of laws and constitutions that are followed to the letter, similar to our own bill of rights.

None of these things are even focused on in the largest socialist party we have in the US, (DSA) and all they seem to care about is whining about "entitlements".

I want an educated socialist party. I want a party run by intellectuals who have ambition and a desire to be the change they want to see. For being a socialist, I have a bit of an elitist streak, but I don't see this as a problem when it's not based on finances but education. Everyone should have the right to have the same education, but it is up to them to pursue it and act upon that right. And I feel as a state we should reward such dedication. Equal opportunity should be the law. Not equality without merit.

To modify a popular phrase, "To each according to his need, to each according to his merit."

I'm very heavy on science. One of the things that got me starting to think about socialism was the fact that only 0.5% of the national budget goes to NASA. Our future lies in the stares, yet we have almost zero scientific research going on in this direction. I began to think of the reasons and realized that it was because it isn't commercially viable. Imagine that. We could have cities on mars. Imagine that technological and scientific progress we could achieve for our species. But it won't happen because there's no "money" to be made. Pathetic isn't it? There's just no excuse for this. And to defy anyone that may have pre-concieved notions, I am a LDS Christian (a.k.a. Mormons). I would consider my socialism to be a form of Christian Socialism.

What excuse can we have for a lack of scientific investment in the world's wealthiest nation? Socialism would be a good way to make that a top priority. It is the most logical way to order a society. Science must guide us and socialism is the only way I feel that it will get the top billing it deserves. If it were up to me, I would make our nations science budget= 20% of government spending.

Also, FYI I'm an economics and sociology double major in my 3rd year at university.

Jimmie Higgins
8th March 2013, 04:50
Moved to OI.

Sorry, the other section of the board is for discussing revolutionary politics. Your posts states that favor elitism and do not favor workers power. You are welcome to discuss your ideas (if these are your ideas, though to be honest you sound like a troll), but you will need to do so in this section of the website.

#FF0000
8th March 2013, 05:48
1. An intelligent citizenry, thoroughly educated and provided with a broad and well-rounded education.
2. A solid moral foundation, with which to build society upon. I favour religion, but others I know will favour secular humanism. (I feel this is a mistake, but this is not a religious post)
3. A STRONG central government that is run by the people, for the people and via the people. (in today's modern society, we could do things democratically INCREDIBLY easily with modern technology and computers)
4. A strong work ethic culture, heavy with governmental support of said strong work ethic culture. (think soviet era propaganda, one thing they did right)
5. A heavier emphasis on WORK, rather than the benefits of said work as collectivism is inherently less productive for the individual than exploitative capitalism in the short run yet in the LONG-run better for all.
6. A strong system of laws and constitutions that are followed to the letter, similar to our own bill of rights.

I want an educated socialist party. I want a party run by intellectuals who have ambition and a desire to be the change they want to see. For being a socialist, I have a bit of an elitist streak, but I don't see this as a problem when it's not based on finances but education. Everyone should have the right to have the same education, but it is up to them to pursue it and act upon that right. And I feel as a state we should reward such dedication. Equal opportunity should be the law. Not equality without merit.

To modify a popular phrase, "To each according to his need, to each according to his merit."

I'm kind of curious as to why you're interested in socialism at all, considering what you've said here. In any case, I can't really think of any "socialist" party that fits your criteria here.

#FF0000
8th March 2013, 05:56
For what it's worth, I know a lot of radical unions (namely the IWW) strongly suggest that you be a "good worker" on the floor... but that's primarily to avoid giving the bosses a good excuse to fire you, rather than some misplaced reverence for the old "protestant work ethic" cudgel that's been used to browbeat workers who want to air their grievances.

p0is0n
8th March 2013, 06:06
I'm kind of curious as to why you're interested in socialism at all, considering what you've said here. In any case, I can't really think of any "socialist" party that fits your criteria here.
looks like the soviet propaganda worked a bit better than they expected.

plus socialist realism is cool!

Kindness
8th March 2013, 17:31
BananaRepublic, what you describe is not socialism at all, but traditionalist conservatism that's more in line with Burke and Kirk than Trotsky or Tolstoy. Socialists wants workers to own and control the means of production, not work harder for a capitalist. Are you sure that you're a socialist?

vorwarts
8th March 2013, 20:35
You'd be surprised how much "ordinary" working class people know, how far their awareness reaches, and how most any semi-conscious member of our class can crystalize this into what one might call a revolutionary organizer & socialist "intellectual." (I'm not too fond of that word, myself.)

This will come off as a shameless plug - because it is - but consider checking out the Socialist People's Party a spp-forward dot com. I think I know what you're getting at, but do be aware that socialism is a system that makes for genuine equality and more labor productivity, without the dehumanizing and often physically destructive work-stress of capitalism.

Mackenzie_Blanc
12th March 2013, 03:26
A strong work ethic culture, heavy with governmental support of said strong work ethic culture. (think soviet era propaganda, one thing they did right).

Buddy, your plans only pluck at the margins; working from the margin will do jack to actually change the condition of the working class.


For being a socialist, I have a bit of an elitist streak, but I don't see this as a problem when it's not based on finances but education.

Don't we all? :rolleyes:
But seriously, your reforms barely make scratches in the system. You'd be better off simply being a democrat.


Everyone should have the right to have the same education, but it is up to them to pursue it and act upon that right. And I feel as a state we should reward such dedication. Equal opportunity should be the law. Not equality without merit..

Ah yes, that "equal opportunity" welfare capitalism so cherished by liberals - where an egalitarian capitalism is possible :lol: . Well, what about the disabled? They can't work, so what, you're going to make them starve for "being lazy"?

Prometeo liberado
12th March 2013, 03:43
Your idea of "socialism" or "democratic socialism" sounds familiar. You would best be at home with the CPUSA, mixed with a little Bernie Sanders and Bill Cosby sweaters. Pretty sure.:rolleyes:

Vladimir Innit Lenin
12th March 2013, 03:59
Ooh a Technocrat, exciting! :D

hatzel
12th March 2013, 15:11
The fun thing is that if you actually look at it you'll notice the OP hasn't really expressed any semblance of politics except "what do we want?" "more space program!" "when do we want it?" "now!" and all the suggestions seem to be geared towards that...

If the OP's still about (questionable as they haven't posted since) I'd like to ask if they have any intentions or aims or anything else outside of that? Do they support anything other than whatever's best for achieving some technologically advanced spaceraider civilisation?

Doflamingo
14th March 2013, 03:48
2. A solid moral foundation, with which to build society upon. I favour religion, but others I know will favour secular humanism. (I feel this is a mistake, but this is not a religious post)

So... brainwashing? Sure does sound pro-worker to me!

Malesori
30th March 2013, 04:39
sounds like you would prefer maybe a libretarian socialist organization, possibly in the tradition of Murray Bookshin

CaptainJackJohnson
5th April 2013, 14:25
I used to be a techno-meritocrat too, Banana Republic, because I read too much Plato. But when I thought about it really hard, I realised that elitism always heads in the direction of exploitation and that self-ownership was the only answer. It's only AFTER making this realisation that I started reading Marxist and Anarchist material and found that they happened to be in line with the world I wanted to create.

So, in short, there's still room for improvement. I agree that our modern communication technology would allow for direct democracy but I disagree that democracy should be centralised, as this destroys the autonomy of the individual and reverts to USSR-style state capitalism.