how many RLers have "working class" jobs?

[homegrown terror]

i'm in logistics, work a forklift in an auto parts warehouse. it's hot, dusty, tiring work and deserves a lot more than the pittance my comrades and i are rightly due. what i'm sick of is coffehouse revolutionaries complaining about the plight of the working class while never having lifted a finger themselves. the ones who work a 30-hour part time job to pay for the little things mom and dad's stipend won't cover, all the while wearing their little Che t-shirts (that they paid $60 for at urban outfitters) and labeling themselves "oppressed workers"

this is by no means a slight against those who can't work the work, either due to disability or lack of work (i've done plenty of time as an unwillingly unemployed worker, i know it sucks) i'm just tired of people claiming to be the downtrodden worker who doesn't ever actually work.

[Philosophos]

As I've said a couple of times already I work as a farmer from times to times. My grandparents are owners of land but I don't work for them anymore for my own reasons.

I also work to a warehouse near my neighborhood and the money is even less than the field work but at least it's less tiring.

I understand your feelings on the co workers that think they can't do shit and they just complain. You could always tell them that if they start thinking about changing things they might get to the point that they will actually change the things. When they don't even think about it then they can screw themselves :thumbup1:

[Questionable]

My parents work at Geek Squad doing assembly line-type repair for computers, whereas I'm a college student preparing to go into social work.

I go to a community college that has many older students who are already in the workforce, and I try to talk to them about left-wing ideals whenever possible. I'm not shoving Marx into their faces or anything, but I try to say stuff like "Universal healthcare would be great for everyone!" and such.

[Sasha]

i'm a bouncer training to become a artisian carpenter but i make theatre too

[#FF0000]

Fuck warehouses holy shit

I used to do rounds on the seasonal retail work circuit, then went bouncing from temp job to temp job (mostly warehouse work with a stint in a production plant) and now I'm leaving that temp agency for another temp agency and more warehouse work, waiting on my documents to become a merchant marine.

[Let's Get Free]

I've had so many 'working class jobs' I fear I may die young from some industrial disease.

But really, I've worked at two miserable soul crushing fast food restaurant jobs when I was a teenager. I worked at a somewhat less soul crushing and miserable job at Fed Ex as a package handler for about a year, but as of now I've been out of work for about 4 months.


i'm sick of is coffehouse revolutionaries complaining about the plight of the working class while never having lifted a finger themselves. the ones who work a 30-hour part time job to pay for the little things mom and dad's stipend won't cover, all the while wearing their little Che t-shirts (that they paid $60 for at urban outfitters) and labeling themselves "oppressed workers"

It's probably somewhat ironic that Che himself could be considered one of those "coffeehouse revolutionaries."

[Ostrinski]

My mother subsidizes my existence, I'm a college freshman, needing to get a part time job of some kind but too lazy to go out there and get one. Plus I don't have a car.

[Leftsolidarity]

I used to work at a grocery store. I'm currently unemployed looking for work and sell my blood plasma for money.

[#FF0000]

I used to work at a grocery store. I'm currently unemployed looking for work and sell my blood plasma for money.

Ohhhhh shit.

Gonna start doing this to supplement my income.

[Leftsolidarity]

Ohhhhh shit.

Gonna start doing this to supplement my income.

If you need it it's good but if you don't desperately need the money I wouldn't. It fucking sucks doing it twice a week.

[The Jay]

I work retail. It sucks and I hate it so much. I constantly want to punch most customers in the face.

[#FF0000]

If you need it it's good but if you don't desperately need the money I wouldn't. It fucking sucks doing it twice a week.

i am fat and live on protein i'm sure i'll be fine

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Worked two years at a vegetable stand, doing all kinds of loading and unloading stupid shit, and then one summer at a kiosk, wasted time in my life. It is my destiny however, and I am planning to ward it off as long as I can.

[Fourth Internationalist]

I don't have a job. But that's probably cause I'm 14 with financially stable middle-class parents. Lucky me :)

[Geiseric]

I work at my community college. I don't work 30 hours a week though due to me being a student. I will probably join the full time workforce following college. However I'll admit I've never had to work as hard as a lot of other people, even my age, which I suppose I'm lucky for, seeing as I've been born into aunion family, they get really good benefits.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I work full time testing video games. Is that working class? I don't know. I make minimum wage ($9.90/h), and live collectively on the cheap. My parents are pensioners/work part-time, so, while I didn't grow up poor by any means, I'm not living a subsidized life.

First world white wage labour is a weird thing.
My job is shitty in its own way, but playing videogames all day is no "dark satanic mills".
And what do I produce? Lists of bugs. Seriously. At the end of a day, what I have to show for my time is a list of crashes and missing collisions.
Karl, what is my life?

[Decolonize The Left]

Worked for a cactus shop, an administration office, a grocery store, a construction company, and many restaurants and cafes where I've been a barista, busser, dishwasher, and a server. I'm also a musician and a writer.

Dad's family is from one of the poorest regions of the US, had no money. Mom is from a family of immigrant artists.

[#FF0000]

My job is shitty in its own way, but playing videogames all day is no "dark satanic mills".

From what I've heard of it, testing video games is hella mentally exhausting from being so boring.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I've worked at a military graveyard, McDonald's, fixing roofs, fixing fences, and hopefully this week I'll have the special privilege of rearranging shelves at Safeways(Kind of like a little more expensive Walmart) across Northern California at night until the sun comes up. I can already tell it's going to be so horrible, but hey, I should be "grateful" for this opportunity. Pays good($12/hour full time) but I can tell I'm going to go insane because of it. Maybe I'll produce some good music because of it, who knows.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I work full time testing video games. Is that working class? I don't know. I make minimum wage ($9.90/h), and live collectively on the cheap. My parents are pensioners/work part-time, so, while I didn't grow up poor by any means, I'm not living a subsidized life.

First world white wage labour is a weird thing.
My job is shitty in its own way, but playing videogames all day is no "dark satanic mills".
And what do I produce? Lists of bugs. Seriously. At the end of a day, what I have to show for my time is a list of crashes and missing collisions.
Karl, what is my life?
My cousin was going to hook me up with a job testing video games, but then he disowned me when I shit on his God Ron Paul! Not even kidding, didn't even know I was a commie yet, just disowned me because I totally destroyed Ron Paul's positions. He started out as a video game tester now he's developing games or designing them, I don't know the technical term. He makes enough money to be a douche and buy a brand new Corvette. So wish I had that job, video game tester.

[Goblin]

I dont have a job yet. But considering that im most likely gonna fail school, and have a last name thats associated with the scandinavian travellers (romani), i will probably get a working class job.

[Jimmie Higgins]

i'm in logistics, work a forklift in an auto parts warehouse. it's hot, dusty, tiring work and deserves a lot more than the pittance my comrades and i are rightly due. what i'm sick of is coffehouse revolutionaries complaining about the plight of the working class while never having lifted a finger themselves. the ones who work a 30-hour part time job to pay for the little things mom and dad's stipend won't cover, all the while wearing their little Che t-shirts (that they paid $60 for at urban outfitters) and labeling themselves "oppressed workers"

this is by no means a slight against those who can't work the work, either due to disability or lack of work (i've done plenty of time as an unwillingly unemployed worker, i know it sucks) i'm just tired of people claiming to be the downtrodden worker who doesn't ever actually work.

I've worked half my life in various jobs, mostly service jobs and I have been LUCKY when I can get jobs that have more than 30 hours or jobs in offices. My parents both worked and were in unions, I don't have a trust fund or a stipened. I currently work a graveyard shift which is nice only in that it is easy and there are no managers around. I haven't been to a doctor in over a decade and I have no savings.

I think this is a shitty attitude in your post though. The service sector is growing and it's mostly not "young rich kids" - I'm sure that's true around college towns and whatnot, but overall, people are being pushed into more marginal jobs and the attitude that it's all "college kids" is how companies like Wal-Mart or Starbucks or McDonalds get away with not giving people benifits or decent job-conditions: "they're just kids, they don't have rent to pay, they're doing it for extra money!" Let's not fall into the same arguments.

If you've ever worked at a McDonalds then you know that service work can be just as industrial as any other work in modern capitalism. What is a drive-through window but an assembly line?

I totally get the resentment, I live in Oakland where there is a large influx of young professionals from San Francisco. So I have a tendency to have a knee-jerk reaction to white people who look sort of hipsterish and I tend to resnt them as yuppies, but really it's a misplaced frustration. A lot of them probably have no money and arn't creating some dot-com start-up with their parent's money - a lot of them are just part of "the lost generation" and can't get any decent job and so they temp or work service. I'm sure lots of black folks see me walking around and think "fucking trust-funded gentrifier" even though I have no such mobility or safty-net.

But on another level, we have to know that resentment doesn't do anything and in this case when it is resenting another group of workers, it's actually counter-productive. Those kids who work service probably look at unionized warhouse workers and think "what a bunch of entitled people - I don't get any benifits and here they are complaining about having to pay more into their retirement or having less heath-coverage."

[Os Cangaceiros]

The jobs I've gotten paid to do: field hand, industrial painter, valet, fisherman

Fisherman is by far the best, love my job. If you can find some way to avoid wage labor I'd recommend it. :thumbup1:

[Quail]

I'm a student at the moment and my partner pays for rent and bills while I pay for food and things my son needs out of my student loan. I do a bit of private maths tuition, but I don't know if that's really a "working class job". It depends on what you mean by "working class job". When I finish my degree I either want to do a teaching course or apply to do a phd (depending on how my results are). Not sure what I'd do with a phd in pure maths, but if I can find the funding it would be interesting. I had a couple of part time jobs when I was younger, as a waitress and as a shop assistant, and I hated them both, although the job as a waitress was the worst because my boss was a complete arse.

[thriller]

Landscaper. Shovel snow in the winter and haul boulders in the summer heat. Is that working class?

[homegrown terror]

I've worked half my life in various jobs, mostly service jobs and I have been LUCKY when I can get jobs that have more than 30 hours or jobs in offices. My parents both worked and were in unions, I don't have a trust fund or a stipened. I currently work a graveyard shift which is nice only in that it is easy and there are no managers around. I haven't been to a doctor in over a decade and I have no savings.

I think this is a shitty attitude in your post though. The service sector is growing and it's mostly not "young rich kids" - I'm sure that's true around college towns and whatnot, but overall, people are being pushed into more marginal jobs and the attitude that it's all "college kids" is how companies like Wal-Mart or Starbucks or McDonalds get away with not giving people benifits or decent job-conditions: "they're just kids, they don't have rent to pay, they're doing it for extra money!" Let's not fall into the same arguments.

If you've ever worked at a McDonalds then you know that service work can be just as industrial as any other work in modern capitalism. What is a drive-through window but an assembly line?

I totally get the resentment, I live in Oakland where there is a large influx of young professionals from San Francisco. So I have a tendency to have a knee-jerk reaction to white people who look sort of hipsterish and I tend to resnt them as yuppies, but really it's a misplaced frustration. A lot of them probably have no money and arn't creating some dot-com start-up with their parent's money - a lot of them are just part of "the lost generation" and can't get any decent job and so they temp or work service. I'm sure lots of black folks see me walking around and think "fucking trust-funded gentrifier" even though I have no such mobility or safty-net.

But on another level, we have to know that resentment doesn't do anything and in this case when it is resenting another group of workers, it's actually counter-productive. Those kids who work service probably look at unionized warhouse workers and think "what a bunch of entitled people - I don't get any benifits and here they are complaining about having to pay more into their retirement or having less heath-coverage."

dude, that wasn't my point at all...quite the opposite actually. my resentment is for kids who call themselves working class leftists or blue collar revolutionaries but who only work menially because they either don't have to due to privilege or don't want to due to laziness. (or a combination thereof, very often the case)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So lemme see what I can remember:

- Dish-washing and waiting tables at a village pub near the seaside. The constant sound of Radio 1 nearly drove me to distraction but had some nice perks like being able to take home leftovers from a wedding we hosted.

- Separating sheep's stomachs from their intestines in a slaughterhouse gut room. Only did it for a week or so of work experience, but it gave me a whole new appreciation for meat and where it comes from. I also did a bit of salting sausage skins in the cold room but the combination of cold, salt and damp was killing my hands.

- Working on an assembly line making indicator levers for Toyota cars. The work was boring but its repetitive nature meant one could almost zone out, the worst part was having to stand up all day. My first proper job!

- I've done a couple of odd labouring jobs (before they made all this CSCS card bullshit compulsory it seems), that was hard work, but at least one could see the fruits of ones efforts as they developed, sort of thing. Kept work areas clear of rubbish and moved shit around for the other tradesmen.

- I've done a brief work experience stint in retail, more than enough to tell me that it would drive me insane and I would end up hurting someone.

So despite my academic aspirations and extended periods of joblessness, I'm not exactly short on blue collar work experiences.

Although I have to say that since 2008 I've occasionally been wondering if I'm still working class, and not in fact some better-spoken variety of lumpenproletarian.

[Red Enemy]

I'm unemployed. It sucks living off of other people. Dear corporation... hire me.. I have a college diploma!

[Le Socialiste]

I've only worked two jobs, both of which I'd assume qualify as 'working-class'. My first job involved me delivering flowers, wreaths, and funeral arrangements around town from 8-3 (and most days my boss would insist that I do overtime - without pay). I'd also make occasional deliveries in towns 30-45 minutes away. My second (and last) job was as a custodian at a local church. I've been unemployed for over a year and a half.

[Zealot]

I work full time testing video games. Is that working class? I don't know. I make minimum wage ($9.90/h), and live collectively on the cheap. My parents are pensioners/work part-time, so, while I didn't grow up poor by any means, I'm not living a subsidized life.

First world white wage labour is a weird thing.
My job is shitty in its own way, but playing videogames all day is no "dark satanic mills".
And what do I produce? Lists of bugs. Seriously. At the end of a day, what I have to show for my time is a list of crashes and missing collisions.
Karl, what is my life?

I had always wanted to do that for a job. Lucky...

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I work 18 hours a week on minimum wage in a shitty retail job but I've been looking for a job with more hours of any sort for almost half a year now. I'm in an annoying bracket where I couldn't claim tax credits because I work more than 16 hours or some shit so I moved back in with my mum because it just made more sense financially and she was happy to have me.

In my mind, retail is like an assembly line where you're constantly performing some monotonous task like folding clothes on a table or scanning items at a till all day only you've also got to pretend to these random strangers that you are happy and really eager to help them. Sometimes I tell customers that I'll look for what they're searching for in the stockroom even when I know we don't have it just to get the fuck off the shop floor for a bit.

[homegrown terror]

I had always wanted to do that for a job. Lucky...

my understanding is that it's not just "play video games and get paid" it's running through the same level (or section thereof) over and over, varying certain things just a bit each time, to see what "breaks." to me it sounds tedious as hell, and would probably ruin video games for me for a lifetime.

[Decolonize The Left]

I've worked at a military graveyard, McDonald's, fixing roofs, fixing fences, and hopefully this week I'll have the special privilege of rearranging shelves at Safeways(Kind of like a little more expensive Walmart) across Northern California at night until the sun comes up. I can already tell it's going to be so horrible, but hey, I should be "grateful" for this opportunity. Pays good($12/hour full time) but I can tell I'm going to go insane because of it. Maybe I'll produce some good music because of it, who knows.

Dude the night shift at supermarkets is where it's at. You don't have to deal with customers, you don't have to deal with people freaking out about whatever, you just stock your shelves and move on. I dunno about Safeway but at quite a few more local supermarkets around here they let you listen to music real loud and kinda do as you please. Just make sure them shelves is stocked and the displays all in order.

I would have rather worked the night shift when I was working in a supermarket but I was already working evenings in a restaurant as well so I opted for the bakery/coffee section.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

I'm a student, but both my parents are proletarians.

[The Jay]

I work 18 hours a week on minimum wage in a shitty retail job but I've been looking for a job with more hours of any sort for almost half a year now. I'm in an annoying bracket where I couldn't claim tax credits because I work more than 16 hours or some shit so I moved back in with my mum because it just made more sense financially and she was happy to have me.

In my mind, retail is like an assembly line where you're constantly performing some monotonous task like folding clothes on a table or scanning items at a till all day only you've also got to pretend to these random strangers that you are happy and really eager to help them. Sometimes I tell customers that I'll look for what they're searching for in the stockroom even when I know we don't have it just to get the fuck off the shop floor for a bit.

Are you me? I am in a similar boat but luckily get more than 16 hrs.

[hatzel]

I dunno about Safeway but at quite a few more local supermarkets around here they let you listen to music real loud and kinda do as you please.

Facts from across the pond: that's the case over here, too. I live quite near a major supermarket (Sainsbury's for you Brits) and go to the cashpoint outside it late at night, and can always hear the sound of blaring music seeping through the walls...

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I did sales in a Halloween store. I thought it would be cool since I love Halloween, but by the end of it I wanted to set the store on fire. Now I have to get another one and I'm dreading it

[Zealot]

my understanding is that it's not just "play video games and get paid" it's running through the same level (or section thereof) over and over, varying certain things just a bit each time, to see what "breaks." to me it sounds tedious as hell, and would probably ruin video games for me for a lifetime.

Yeah, I like doing that in video games.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm currently unemployed...

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Are you me? I am in a similar boat but luckily get more than 16 hrs.
I'm your British evil twin, evil goatee and everything. :P

Before the new year when it was the christmas period I was getting up to 40hrs a week (though I was contracted to 20). The way they exploit so many these days is by giving them three month contracts so at the end of those three months they can easily cut hours or just cut jobs (as they did with a load of my co-workers). A load of people ended up with 8hrs or 12hrs a week or some ridiculously low amount and are only surviving from benefits yet for government statistics this counts as 'employed'. I'm supposed to feel 'lucky' because I only lost 2 contracted hours but it's hard to feel like I've won something when the prize is a shitty job where I get paid fuck all.

[Art Vandelay]

dude, that wasn't my point at all...quite the opposite actually. my resentment is for kids who call themselves working class leftists or blue collar revolutionaries but who only work menially because they either don't have to due to privilege or don't want to due to laziness. (or a combination thereof, very often the case)

Yeah fuck that Engels dude, the privileged bastard. :rolleyes:

[Questionable]

Wow, I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised at the responses here.

I mean, there's always the stereotype of the radical left being composed entirely of college students with no attachment to the working class, but there's way more actual workers here than students.

[Chris]

I'm a farmer, in addition to whatever local oddjobs I can pick up. I can't afford a driver's licence, so opportunities for stable employment are low (I live on a peninsula of 300 people). My working week vary from 10 to 60 hours, all depending on what is available and what has to be done on the farm. That, and I'm currently trying to finish high school (having dropped out previously, and trying to finish it now).

As for oddjobs, I've done lumberjacking, construction work (helped building a garage for a neighbour for a decent price), road-building & maintenance (gravel), cleaning cabins for the tourists, security/cleaner at an annual arts gallery and janitor assistant.

[The Jay]

I'm your British evil twin, evil goatee and everything. :P

Before the new year when it was the christmas period I was getting up to 40hrs a week (though I was contracted to 20). The way they exploit so many these days is by giving them three month contracts so at the end of those three months they can easily cut hours or just cut jobs (as they did with a load of my co-workers). A load of people ended up with 8hrs or 12hrs a week or some ridiculously low amount and are only surviving from benefits yet for government statistics this counts as 'employed'. I'm supposed to feel 'lucky' because I only lost 2 contracted hours but it's hard to feel like I've won something when the prize is a shitty job where I get paid fuck all.

I was hired seasonally too. I was getting almost 40 hours (usually 39.5) every week until they fired just about everybody. Now they shift my weekly hours from 15-29. I never know what I'm going to be scheduled and it is only about a quarter or so over minimum wage. If I were to get benefits the amount of money I would have to pay would be equal to almost all of my check. I don't have to pay rent at the moment (dear god I hope it stays that way) but I have a co-worker that went homeless because his hours were slashed.

[bcbm]

i work in a call center and i do set up and expedite in a restaurant


or don't want to due to laziness.

nothing wrong with laziness. ill gladly lose an hour or two's wages to get the hell out of work early

[Winkers Fons]

All of my jobs have involved driving. I have delivered pizzas, driven a taxi, and been a parts courier for a car dealership. Recently, I was offered a job as a driver for Amazon.com. Not sure if I will take it though since it will leave me with no time for school and would require me to purchase my own cargo van. Some people have suggested that I become a long haul truck driver. I will probably do that if school doesn't work out. I think driving a big truck and shooting the shit on the CB radio for thousands of miles at a time would suit me.

[Art Vandelay]

All of my jobs have involved driving. I have delivered pizzas, driven a taxi, and been a parts courier for a car dealership. Recently, I was offered a job as a driver for Amazon.com. Not sure if I will take it though since it will leave me with no time for school and would require me to purchase my own cargo van. Some people have suggested that I become a long haul truck driver. I will probably do that if school doesn't work out. I think driving a big truck and shooting the shit on the CB radio for thousands of miles at a time would suit me.

My dad used to be a long haul truck driver as well and I`ve always thought about taking that as a occupation. All it would take is an extra lisence and alot of speed. :)

[#FF0000]

All of my jobs have involved driving. I have delivered pizzas, driven a taxi, and been a parts courier for a car dealership. Recently, I was offered a job as a driver for Amazon.com. Not sure if I will take it though since it will leave me with no time for school and would require me to purchase my own cargo van. Some people have suggested that I become a long haul truck driver. I will probably do that if school doesn't work out. I think driving a big truck and shooting the shit on the CB radio for thousands of miles at a time would suit me.

Be a trucker and do this:

http://i.imgur.com/BBQP9V3.jpg

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Dude the night shift at supermarkets is where it's at. You don't have to deal with customers, you don't have to deal with people freaking out about whatever, you just stock your shelves and move on. I dunno about Safeway but at quite a few more local supermarkets around here they let you listen to music real loud and kinda do as you please. Just make sure them shelves is stocked and the displays all in order.

I would have rather worked the night shift when I was working in a supermarket but I was already working evenings in a restaurant as well so I opted for the bakery/coffee section.
Yeah tonight I went to where I was supposed to work(Not really, thought I started today, when I start tomorrow actually, god damnit) and it was pretty chill for the most part. I wish I just worked the night crew at Safeway, just unstock things and put them on the shelves and shit. My job is going to be a lot more tedious though and annoying. Also I can already tell that most of the night crew there don't really like people that have my job, probably consider us privileged or something and I don't blame them. They'll spend all night stocking the store and setting up displays probably on wages lower than mine and here a dozen people come in, rearrange a few things, and make more money than them.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Wow, I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised at the responses here.

I mean, there's always the stereotype of the radical left being composed entirely of college students with no attachment to the working class, but there's way more actual workers here than students.

Imagine this: I'm both!

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Dude the night shift at supermarkets is where it's at. You don't have to deal with customers, you don't have to deal with people freaking out about whatever, you just stock your shelves and move on. I dunno about Safeway but at quite a few more local supermarkets around here they let you listen to music real loud and kinda do as you please. Just make sure them shelves is stocked and the displays all in order.

I would have rather worked the night shift when I was working in a supermarket but I was already working evenings in a restaurant as well so I opted for the bakery/coffee section.

Wow, thanks, you have saved me a lot more time of thinking what kind of shit job I want. Can I just write on my application "Sell my Labor only Nights"?

[LOLseph Stalin]

I've been unemployed for five years and am currently on disability. When I did work I worked in fast food.

[La Guaneña]

Just quit my job as a bike courier, now I'm living on a shitty scholarship from the government and my parents untill I move to the US. Maybe I'll get some shit tier job meanwhile. I'm also in high/trade school, that's where I get my reasearch scholarship from.

[Per Levy]

im a service worker in a hospital, lots of hard work(its fun to feel your back aching every day) and its very low paid and from the little money i have in the end i support my girlfriend who is homeless and unemployed, fun times every day.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Wow, thanks, you have saved me a lot more time of thinking what kind of shit job I want. Can I just write on my application "Sell my Labor only Nights"?

Yeah say you're only available during the night. Less chance of being hired that way because from my experience you work your way up to the closing/night shifts.

[Rusty Shackleford]

work in a food warehouse. im an order selector/picker. i drive pallet jacks that you stand on and work 1 to 2 pallets at a time. all it is is running and lifting and wrapping.
my main department is the cooler (35 degrees F avg) and sometimes in the freezer (-5 F avg) and sometimes in grocery (whatever it is outside give-er-take)


i feel like ive aged 10 years doing this shit. i mean seriously, my fucking back.


trying to get certified as a reach-lift operator so i can spend my time stocking instead of picking.

[Lobotomy]

I'm a caregiver for people with developmental disabilities. I guess it's somewhat blue collar (I do have to clean up an awful lot of shit.) it's not a "bad job" though, and my labor does not serve the purpose of lining the pockets of bourgeois scum so that's good. my parents do still help me out financially sometimes though.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Wow, thanks, you have saved me a lot more time of thinking what kind of shit job I want. Can I just write on my application "Sell my Labor only Nights"?

theres that and then warehouses. at least in the warehouse i work in there are 3 shifts.

1st (day) starts at 2 am gets off at 10(ish) am
2nd (night, mine) starts at 11 am, gets off at 930 (ish) pm
3rd (loading) starts at 1pm gets off at around midnight i think.



theres been days though where i get off work when first shift is coming in, and come back when they are going home.


but, 1st shift would be your shift yeah?

[Ele'ill]

I've worked warehouse, retail, and construction jobs and I hate all of them they are all equally as wasting.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Retail and other "customer facing roles" feel like they're explicitly designed to crush the soul and replace it with a black mist of inchoate rage that just keeps on growing and darkening throughout the day like a gathering thunderhead, until at the end of the day, one is nothing more than a withered husk around a thick ooze of pure hatred in solid form.

Or at least that's what I feel like on the inside. Fuck that kind of shit-work, I avoid it like the plague.

Labouring on a building site or working on an assembly line leaves me physically shattered at the end of the day, tiring out my body, but at least leaving that kind of work at the end of the day doesn't feel like it's slowly but surely destroying my mind and spirit.

[Art Vandelay]

I'm a caregiver for people with developmental disabilities. I guess it's somewhat blue collar (I do have to clean up an awful lot of shit.) it's not a "bad job" though, and my labor does not serve the purpose of lining the pockets of bourgeois scum so that's good. my parents do still help me out financially sometimes though.

I have just recently applied for this same job.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Be a trucker and do this:

http://i.imgur.com/BBQP9V3.jpg

Holy shit that's the coolest fucking thing I've seen in my entire life.

[#FF0000]

Holy shit that's the coolest fucking thing I've seen in my entire life.

It's a thing truckers in Japan do. Baller as hell

[Lobotomy]

I have just recently applied for this same job.

I hope you get it and enjoy it. it's hard work but can be rewarding.

[Decolonize The Left]

Wow, thanks, you have saved me a lot more time of thinking what kind of shit job I want. Can I just write on my application "Sell my Labor only Nights"?

You can request to work night shifts, yes, but you'd better have a good reason. I'd make up something like going to school or taking care of elderly and sick parents or something. Remember that the pickier you are the less chance you have at an entry level job.

The only time it's good to be picky at job interviews is when the job isn't entry level - there's less basic competition for labor at that point and pickiness can be seen as a form of self-confidence which can be valued by management.

[B5C]

I currently work for the 2nd biggest retail giant in the United States an Guest Service Associate. Basically, a front-lane supervisor without the pay have an FT supervisor.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

I'm a car-mechanic and i have my own company (webdesign) although i haven't had much customers yet.

So, about OP's question: i think it's safe to say "Yes"!

[human strike]

i'm in logistics, work a forklift in an auto parts warehouse. it's hot, dusty, tiring work and deserves a lot more than the pittance my comrades and i are rightly due. what i'm sick of is coffehouse revolutionaries complaining about the plight of the working class while never having lifted a finger themselves. the ones who work a 30-hour part time job to pay for the little things mom and dad's stipend won't cover, all the while wearing their little Che t-shirts (that they paid $60 for at urban outfitters) and labeling themselves "oppressed workers"

this is by no means a slight against those who can't work the work, either due to disability or lack of work (i've done plenty of time as an unwillingly unemployed worker, i know it sucks) i'm just tired of people claiming to be the downtrodden worker who doesn't ever actually work.

That's some nice workerism, comrade.

I've never had a job and I hope I never do. Understand that this isn't because I've been subsidised by my parents - they're poorer than me - but through careful (at times) use of my student loan. This will all fall apart in a few months at which point I will need to figure out the best way of claiming the dole (if you know what I mean) - I watched my ex-partner do this for the best part of a year, so I've picked up a few tricks (was still a fucking painful existence mind) - and find a squat someplace, which is becoming more and more difficult. Not much of a plan, but it's all I've got - I'll be damned if I'm doing any kind of shitty job.

[BOZG]

That's some nice workerism, comrade.

I've never had a job and I hope I never do. Understand that this isn't because I've been subsidised by my parents - they're poorer than me - but through careful (at times) use of my student loan. This will all fall apart in a few months at which point I will need to figure out the best way of claiming the dole (if you know what I mean) - I watched my ex-partner do this for the best part of a year, so I've picked up a few tricks (was still a fucking painful existence mind) - and find a squat someplace, which is becoming more and more difficult. Not much of a plan, but it's all I've got - I'll be damned if I'm doing any kind of shitty job.

Indeed. Why would revolutionaries want to do such a silly thing as influence the working class by actually interacting with them in exactly the place where their strength lies? Crazy workerism.

[homegrown terror]

That's some nice workerism, comrade.

I've never had a job and I hope I never do. Understand that this isn't because I've been subsidised by my parents - they're poorer than me - but through careful (at times) use of my student loan. This will all fall apart in a few months at which point I will need to figure out the best way of claiming the dole (if you know what I mean) - I watched my ex-partner do this for the best part of a year, so I've picked up a few tricks (was still a fucking painful existence mind) - and find a squat someplace, which is becoming more and more difficult. Not much of a plan, but it's all I've got - I'll be damned if I'm doing any kind of shitty job.

nice...rather than try to fix a broken world you just wanna drop out of it. the whole point of the working class revolution is to get a fair life for everyone, provided communally BY everyone. freeloaders have no place in the world, either of the past or the future. there is no reason you can't work, you just don't want to.

i'd say that willfull freeloaderism should be an OI restriction, especially since so many of the right see all of us in this light, it'd be good to separate ourselves from the ones who actually bolster the stereotype.

[Leftsolidarity]

nice...rather than try to fix a broken world you just wanna drop out of it. the whole point of the working class revolution is to get a fair life for everyone, provided communally BY everyone. freeloaders have no place in the world, either of the past or the future. there is no reason you can't work, you just don't want to.

i'd say that willfull freeloaderism should be an OI restriction, especially since so many of the right see all of us in this light, it'd be good to separate ourselves from the ones who actually bolster the stereotype.

So you want to restrict people that don't want to work for the capitalists?

I disagree with this style of lifestylism where one thinks they can drop out of the capitalist system but it's nothing restriction worthy and we definitely shouldn't try to throw well-intentioned people under the bus to score points with reactionaries. There is nothing wrong with being a "freeloader" on the capitalist system, it's just wrong to think that that is what will make the system go away.

[Os Cangaceiros]

nice...rather than try to fix a broken world you just wanna drop out of it. the whole point of the working class revolution is to get a fair life for everyone, provided communally BY everyone. freeloaders have no place in the world, either of the past or the future. there is no reason you can't work, you just don't want to.

i'd say that willfull freeloaderism should be an OI restriction, especially since so many of the right see all of us in this light, it'd be good to separate ourselves from the ones who actually bolster the stereotype.

The thing is, while I don't particularly like "freeloaders" (as in, someone who takes advantage of someone else's effort without contributing anything of their own), the glorification of a culture of work is toxic. That's part of what communists should be fighting against.

I've done some very difficult manual labor in my lifetime, in fact I'd go as far as to say that the hours I've worked on my job at times are greater than the vast majority of people on this board, but I'd never belittle someone who worked a 30 hour a week job, or who worked no job. That's not right. And I can't really fault someone who consciously avoids participating in the "job market"...I've experienced job hunting and it's something I absolutely loathe.

[human strike]

nice...rather than try to fix a broken world you just wanna drop out of it. the whole point of the working class revolution is to get a fair life for everyone, provided communally BY everyone. freeloaders have no place in the world, either of the past or the future. there is no reason you can't work, you just don't want to.

i'd say that willfull freeloaderism should be an OI restriction, especially since so many of the right see all of us in this light, it'd be good to separate ourselves from the ones who actually bolster the stereotype.

The whole point of revolution is to abolish class, not affirm and valorise it. At no point did I say that any of what I hope to do is directed towards changing the world - I simply want to survive without the misery of work. But as it happens, I think that if we look at it in terms of a revolutionary tactic, not working is always going to be more effective than working.

As for bolstering the stereotype, I think it's a great stereotype - we should be proud of our laziness! How is being on benefits, legitimately or otherwise, in any way "freeloading"? We should exploit the state for everything we can get. The Right (and large sections of the Left) will always accuse us of being scroungers so we should make the most of it.

You're absolutely right when you say there is no reason why I can't work and I just don't want to - but is this not the reason we are communists? Again, nice workerism, comrade. We have to recognise the way in which work is anathema to communism.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

nice...rather than try to fix a broken world you just wanna drop out of it. the whole point of the working class revolution is to get a fair life for everyone, provided communally BY everyone. freeloaders have no place in the world, either of the past or the future. there is no reason you can't work, you just don't want to.

i'd say that willfull freeloaderism should be an OI restriction, especially since so many of the right see all of us in this light, it'd be good to separate ourselves from the ones who actually bolster the stereotype.

He's not a fucking 'freeloader' if he doesn't work for a capitalist. Surviving on social services is incredibly harsh, and to attack him because he doesn't have a job and doesn't 'contribute' to society goes to show how ignorant you are of the modern world.

You aren't contributing to society when you work for a capitalist - you fill their pockets. You also can't just get a job, as if they grow off of trees.
The concepts of working in socialism and capitalism are completely different, and to conflate them is downright stupid..

[homegrown terror]

my fiance is legitimately disabled (she has a lot of scar tissue in her abdominal cavity that prevents her from lifting anything over ten pounds, standing for more than an hour at a time, or basically putting out any physical exertion without the kind of pain that would destroy me or anyone else i know.) she is on benefits, but does not glorify it at all. she WANTS to work, but can't. that's one reason why i can't stand people who can work but won't. i see the opposite end of it every day. i guess i see it the way someone paralysed sees those people who use a motorised shopping cart just because they don't WANT to walk. i'm sorry, i guess that statement just hit a nerve and i politicised a personal feeling. if you want to not work out of protest, that's a big difference from not working out of laziness. one is a conditional statement, a strike against capitalist society in general, and would likely end if the revolution succeeded, the other would likely progress past any turning point and just serve to bring down the rest.

thanks, i know i don't say this enough, but thank you to everyone on here. i learn and grow a good bit every day just from reading this forum, even if i don't realise it until it's time to apply that learning.

[ed miliband]

i struggle to believe anybody wants to work; not having a job sucks, but so does having one. sometimes it's hard to discern which sucks more.

anyway, i'm a student and a temp/agency worker in catering services.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I'm mentally unfit and unemployable. Ugh, I turn 26 in a few months. Fuck's sake. I wouldn't mind doing some things, but it's not like one has a lot to chose from, lest one have connections.

[human strike]

if you want to not work out of protest, that's a big difference from not working out of laziness.

I have to respectfully disagree; I see no difference at all. Why does anyone not want to work? Because work is alienating. Whether you attach an ideology to it or you're completely politically unconscious, this is the reason. We mustn't fetishise consciousness or pretend there is a right or wrong reason to do anything. The entire point of communism is that activity is self-determined. Communism abolishes 'hard-working' and 'lazy' as concepts along with the division and valorisation of labour, and commodity exchange. Useful labour isn't measurable - how can we say who contributes and who doesn't? The notion that 'to get you must give' is the favourite absurdity of capitalism.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I have to respectfully disagree; I see no difference at all. Why does anyone not want to work? Because work is alienating. Whether you attach an ideology to it or you're completely politically unconscious, this is the reason. We mustn't fetishise consciousness or pretend there is a right or wrong reason to do anything. The entire point of communism is that activity is self-determined. Communism abolishes 'hard-working' and 'lazy' as concepts along with the division and valorisation of labour, and commodity exchange. Useful labour isn't measurable - how can we say who contributes and who doesn't? The notion that 'to get you must give' is the favourite absurdity of capitalism.

And let us not forget - laziness is the birthgiver of progress and mechanisation. Abolish labour. Abolish work.

[homegrown terror]

And let us not forget - laziness is the birthgiver of progress and mechanisation. Abolish labour. Abolish work.

i guess there is some merit to this, but at the risk of sounding luddite, without a revolution and reorganisation of the global socioeconomic system, mechanisation ends up hurting the working class. if you can overthrow capitalism then an automated workplace leads to workers with more free time and generally more happiness in life. in the current state of capitalism, however, when a profit-driven workplace automates a function, they then lay off the workers whose jobs have been rendered obsolete by the new machine.

[LeonJWilliams]

Currently unemployed and looks to remain that way for the foreseeable future. Last job was English language teacher.

[bricolage]

I work 25 paid hours a week, shoot me.
the job I have now (doing tours of galleries at a museum) is the only one I've ever had that I haven't hated (not saying I'd do it if I didn't have to obviously), 50% of my wages go on rent and I just live a pretty frugal life with the rest of it. would like to have more money to spend on brunch and shoes and shit but having more days where you can wake up late, make some coffee, read a book, go for a walk, whatever, that means a lot more to me at the moment.

[TiberiusGracchus]

Now I am a student and I will become a teacher, that is "middle class".

But I am from the working class. All my relatives have working class jobs, except those who are unemployed. And my previous jobs have all been at various industries and workshops, plus a temporary job at a pre-school.

[Narcissus]

I had a job as a dishwasher at a small bakery. It paid pretty well, but they didn't need me after Christmas. Was for about 10-15 hours a week. I didn't like it much.

Why would anyone here WANT to work in this world. I would happily farm veggies/whatever for 6/8hrs a day in a communist world. But working in this world is so soul destroying. I'm gonna live till 20 with my parents, and then squat and 'acquire' food in any way possible until I start to starve.

I have severe social anxiety. I am extremely uncomfortable talking to people I don't know. Getting a job is hell for me. I can't do it. My family got me the bakery job. I have no real qualifications. Thievery is going to be my future, and fuck i'll kill myself before I go to jail if I get caught.

This world gets me down. It's not really worth living in. Existential depression nearly got me when I was 17. I'm 18 now, I'm too smart, too conscious; I see it all. I have no future really. As a kid I always thought I would die before I made 16 - even at five I realised that I would have no place in the world.

I will try and martyr myself for the cause. I'll climb the Houses of Parliament or some shit with a megaphone, and explain to the crowd why I refuse to live in the world any longer and how shit it is, and then aim for one of the politicians.

[Raúl Duke]

I used to work at a housing development/assistance government-affiliate non-profit as a clerical/office assistant. After that worked at a call center doing phone surveys (that job sucked). Been unemployed a long time since. I also go to college, but I'm close to finishing (I need just one damn fucking class...grr).

I used to volunteer at a sort of community garden/farm kind of thing.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

McDonalds


Seriously, fuck McDonalds

[Art Vandelay]

I am now a support worker for people with mental disabilities. I also deliver pizzas and work for a junior hockey team every now and then.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

I am now a support worker for people with mental disabilities.

Your my hero, you know that? People who do this should get more honour. AND money!

[Art Vandelay]

Your my hero, you know that? People who do this should get more honour. AND money!

Thanks man, I haven't really started yet, but my first shift is tmro. I feel like he's going to help me, probably just as much as I help him. My grandmother who predominantly raised me for the first 5 years of my life, dedicated her life to working with people who have mental disabilities. I'd like to think she'd be proud, if she were still around.

[Pretty Flaco]

2 jobs, both fast food. Couldn't post here for a couple months because my computer broke and couldn't afford a new one for a while.

[Sentinel]

After dropping out of school at age 17, I did my mandatory military service in Finland back in 1998. After that I worked at two different 7-Elevens. After realising that both sucked equally much I worked a while as a mailman, which I kind of enjoyed.

Early mornings and the pay wasn't great, but I had nice collegues, got to work at my own pace, fresh air etc. I had (and still have) no drivers licence but still didn't have to ride a bicycle as they had these electric minicars. It was a nice time, but I wanted to move and thusly quit.

Since then I've been working on cruiseferries - first as a storage worker, then a shop cashier and since recently a receptionist. I've been working for the same company for 13 years, and really wouldn't mind a change.

I'm really fed up at times, but as things look on the labour market it wouldbe idiocy to quit after so many years in the company. The Swedish Law for employment protection works on the principle of first in, last out.

So unless I really fuck up somehow, it's almost impossible for them to get rid of me at this point, using cuts in the workforce etc as a pretext. But the job is really driving me nuts, so I've got bit of a dilemma there.

All the drunken assholes that constitute our passengers (actually we aren't allowed to use that word anymore, they are 'guests' now) are slowly making me increasingly misanthropic, to the point that I dream of becoming a hermit in the woods, and avoid even people I like as I don't want to see anyone, talk with anyone.

I don't want to be that person. I must find a way out soon..

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

You can request to work night shifts, yes, but you'd better have a good reason. I'd make up something like going to school or taking care of elderly and sick parents or something. Remember that the pickier you are the less chance you have at an entry level job.

The only time it's good to be picky at job interviews is when the job isn't entry level - there's less basic competition for labor at that point and pickiness can be seen as a form of self-confidence which can be valued by management.

Thanks. I worked at a Kiosk stand two years ago and I wanted to hang myself (re. 'soul crushing'; I cant imagine working in a bigger consumer-relations store!). I tried warehouse work for a few weeks but I have back problems after a couple hours of heavy lifting, runs in the family. My only hope really is that I either win the lottery and become bourgeois, or that I get some kind of degree that will make it possible for me not to do too much physical or strenuous work the rest of my life.

[melvin]

I am, and have been underemployed lately.

[DasFapital]

I currently work as a vet assistant but I'm going to school to be a nurse.

[DasFapital]

I am now a support worker for people with mental disabilities. I also deliver pizzas and work for a junior hockey team every now and then.
I finished my NAC training last month and did my clinical hours at a developmentally disabled home. Nice people they were.

[Le Libérer]

Spent most my professional life working with HIV/AIDS nonprofits. After getting my Masters degree, went to work as a civil rights organizer in the deep south. Right now I working on a project to reform the largest prison system in the US and racial profiling.

[Lobotomy]

I am now a support worker for people with mental disabilities.

yay!! Welcome to the field, it's hard sometimes but it's usually worth it. ;)

[Art Vandelay]

yay!! Welcome to the field, it's hard sometimes but it's usually worth it. ;)

Thanks comrade :) Needless to say I am extremely excited. I know the job will be challenging at times, but I feel it will be mutually beneficial.

[ellipsis]

I work at a red roof inn, as the night auditor. Not much actual working, but it qualifies. Most of the time I work as a gardener though, good money if you work for yourself.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

All these people here having meaningfull jobs...i feel really shitty now.

Fucking repairing fucking cars. For Fucking bourgeoise pigs! I am starting to hate my job more and more. Maybe my quarterlife-crisis is setting in late...

[Landsharks eat metal]

Not employed right now, but going to be a vet assistant soon-ish and hopefully a vet tech eventually.

[Pretty Flaco]

Soon I think I might try and take a job as a cab driver. I'd need to talk to a friend of mine about it first though, he used to be a cabbie.

[RedAnarchist]

I work as a Systems Administrator in HR. It's a part time job at the moment - four days a week. It's a good job, especially as a lot of my work is ensuring that other people, especially those who work in the company's supermarkets, can do theirs. It's certainly not manual labour - my dad has a real working class job, he works as a postal worker and has done for nearly forty years - but I still consider it a working class job.

[p0is0n]

under the table construction work on the side of (free glorious state-provided) studies.

#prolecore

[The Jay]

I'm trying to find a different job that pays better than minimum. There is probably going to be a round of layoffs at the place I work even though there is still a profit.

[ellipsis]

All these people here having meaningfull jobs...i feel really shitty now.

Fucking repairing fucking cars. For Fucking bourgeoise pigs! I am starting to hate my job more and more. Maybe my quarterlife-crisis is setting in late...

Not to discount your feelings, but I think being a mechanic is great because then u can work on cars. The world needs more comrade mechanics.

[Turinbaar]

I have recently graduated from art school, and I am trying to be a freelancer in political illustration (as well as gallery work), though unless you have representation or contacts its very hard to do anything in the art world.

I've had to work in all sorts of places, such as various retailing jobs, dishwashing, bussing tables, and I've just been invited to work at Toy's R Us. While I do this I'm building a portfolio of oil and acrylic paintings, as well as training in various musical instruments and singing to form a band with my friend.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

All these people here having meaningfull jobs...i feel really shitty now.

Fucking repairing fucking cars. For Fucking bourgeoise pigs! I am starting to hate my job more and more. Maybe my quarterlife-crisis is setting in late...

You think your job is useless? You fix cars, that's important shit right there. You know what I do? I take stuff off of shelves and put them back up somewhere else usually within three feet of where it already was. You know how many fucking kinds of Cheerios there are? You'd never believe it until you have a large pile of them going "okay now which one has the code 8970534631 on the barcode?" And I do that for 8 hours 5 days a week, most useless job in the world!

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

You think your job is useless? You fix cars, that's important shit right there. You know what I do? I take stuff off of shelves and put them back up somewhere else usually within three feet of where it already was. You know how many fucking kinds of Cheerios there are? You'd never believe it until you have a large pile of them going "okay now which one has the code 8970534631 on the barcode?" And I do that for 8 hours 5 days a week, most useless job in the world!

I comparison to the more meaningful jobs, ours are shit. Pleasing the bourgeoisie...

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I comparison to the more meaningful jobs, ours are shit. Pleasing the bourgeoisie...

All you do is fix rich people's cars? I'm sure a lot of working class people have car problems.

[Thelonious]

I have been a union bridge painter for 20 years.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

All you do is fix rich people's cars? I'm sure a lot of working class people have car problems.

I work at a car dealer. All i see are cars under 10 years old. I can't even afford that shit, even though i can repair it myself.
I'm pretty sure about 90% of the customers there are at least petty-bourgeois.
Thank god it's not a so called A-brand (MB, BMW, Audi and shit).

[Pretty Flaco]

I work at a car dealer. All i see are cars under 10 years old. I can't even afford that shit, even though i can repair it myself.
I'm pretty sure about 90% of the customers there are at least petty-bourgeois.
Thank god it's not a so called A-brand (MB, BMW, Audi and shit).

There are a lot of people that haven't got any sense with cars and even if they have a minor problem they think the car is done and so they'll sell it cheap. I'm one of those people with no sense but luckily I know people who've got sense. :rolleyes:
My car is 30 years old (84 chrysler new yorker) and I bought it for $500. But my friend works as a mechanic and he found some car that had some simple problem but the guy selling thought it was fucked. I think it was a 2006 ford taurus? maybe 2004. but he bought it for $800 and I saw him fix it in less than 30 minutes. the car is in good condition.

so the moral of the story, if you know about cars buy one cheap off of someone who knows nothing.

[Pretty Flaco]

All you do is fix rich people's cars? I'm sure a lot of working class people have car problems.

poor people have the most problems because we can only afford the shittiest cars and finding time (and money) to keep up with the car is difficult. id probably be better off if i lived somewhere where i didnt need a car tbh.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

There are a lot of people that haven't got any sense with cars and even if they have a minor problem they think the car is done and so they'll sell it cheap. I'm one of those people with no sense but luckily I know people who've got sense. :rolleyes:
My car is 30 years old (84 chrysler new yorker) and I bought it for $500. But my friend works as a mechanic and he found some car that had some simple problem but the guy selling thought it was fucked. I think it was a 2006 ford taurus? maybe 2004. but he bought it for $800 and I saw him fix it in less than 30 minutes. the car is in good condition.

so the moral of the story, if you know about cars buy one cheap off of someone who knows nothing.

You drive a New Yorker? That shit's huge right? I drive a Seat Arosa (compare and laugh).

[Pleb]

******

[Pretty Flaco]

You drive a New Yorker? That shit's huge right? I drive a Seat Arosa (compare and laugh).

actually no. :lol: i always get asked that. they're like "ah that's a fucking boat!"

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/45680.jpg

mine is the red car in the foreground, except mine is a light blue-grey color.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

actually no. :lol: i always get asked that. they're like "ah that's a fucking boat!"

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/45680.jpg

mine is the red car in the foreground, except mine is a light blue-grey color.

Ah...okay.

I was thinking this:

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/03/01/03/48/1995_chrysler_new_yorker_4_dr_std_sedan-pic-41584.jpeg

Now compare. I drive this:

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/seat_arosa_1_4_akk_44kw_96635336835480045.jpg

Slightly darker Blue, but okay.